March 16, 2019 
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March 16, 2019 [02:23:37] *** amacks <amacks!~Adium@209.6.115.18> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[03:49:39] *** azstefano_ <azstefano_!azstefano@unaffiliated/azstefano> has joined #fink[03:49:48] *** azstefano <azstefano!azstefano@unaffiliated/azstefano> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[03:49:48] *** azstefano_ is now known as azstefano[04:59:02] *** azstefano_ <azstefano_!~azstefano@unaffiliated/azstefano> has joined #fink[05:00:09] *** azstefano <azstefano!azstefano@unaffiliated/azstefano> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[05:00:09] *** azstefano_ is now known as azstefano[07:12:14] *** maccampus <maccampus!~maccampus@d54c447db.access.telenet.be> has joined #fink[07:14:25] <maccampus> Hi again. Sinsi installing fink kept failing last time i waited until you provided a new install on sourceforge, late evening yesterday i saw you did & i dl’ed 0.44.1.[07:16:10] <maccampus> It has no problems anymore downloading packages (bzip2) but installing it fink fails to work anyway. Seems it does not execute bootstrap-phase2[07:16:52] <maccampus> I am on Mac OS 10.13.6 with full xCode installed[08:02:57] <maccampus> Err http://bindist.finkmirrors.net stable/main Packages[08:03:47] <maccampus> Could not resolve 'bindist.finkmirrors.net'[08:03:48] <maccampus> Err http://bindist.finkmirrors.net stable/main Release[08:03:49] <maccampus> Could not resolve 'bindist.finkmirrors.net'[08:03:50] <maccampus> Failed to fetch http://bindist.finkmirrors.net/10.13/dists/stable/main/binary-darwin-x86_64/Packages Could not resolve 'bindist.finkmirrors.net'[08:03:51] <maccampus> Failed to fetch http://bindist.finkmirrors.net/10.13/dists/stable/main/binary-darwin-x86_64/Release Could not resolve 'bindist.finkmirrors.net'[08:04:07] <maccampus> ### execution of /sw/bin/apt-get-lockwait failed, exit code 6[08:04:07] <maccampus> WARNING: Failure while updating indexes.[08:04:08] <maccampus> ERROR: Bootstrap phase 2 failed![14:08:06] <akh> It didn’t really fail.[14:08:30] <akh> This is a completely separate issue.[14:09:17] <akh> run /sw/bin/pathsetup.sh manually, then you should be good to go.[14:10:49] <akh> This has happened in the past when we’ve had to do releases with no binary distribution available yet.[15:31:48] <maccampus> okay, i did like you said but …[15:32:45] <maccampus> In fink commander i only see Base & Virtual Category Packages 319 in Total 113 Installed[15:33:39] <maccampus> So i do Menu Source , Scan Packages[15:34:14] <maccampus> Err http://bindist.finkmirrors.net stable/main Packages[15:34:15] <maccampus> Could not resolve 'bindist.finkmirrors.net'[15:34:17] <maccampus> Err http://bindist.finkmirrors.net stable/main Release[15:34:18] <maccampus> Could not resolve 'bindist.finkmirrors.net'[15:34:19] <maccampus> Failed to fetch http://bindist.finkmirrors.net/10.13/dists/stable/main/binary-darwin-x86_64/Packages Could not resolve 'bindist.finkmirrors.net'[15:34:20] <maccampus> Failed to fetch http://bindist.finkmirrors.net/10.13/dists/stable/main/binary-darwin-x86_64/Release Could not resolve 'bindist.finkmirrors.net'[15:34:29] <maccampus> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.[15:34:29] <maccampus> ### execution of /sw/bin/apt-get-lockwait failed, exit code 100[15:34:30] <maccampus> WARNING: Failure while updating indexes.[15:43:36] *** Murr <Murr!~Murr@212-51-143-5.fiber7.init7.net> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[15:44:09] *** Murr <Murr!~Murr@212-51-143-5.fiber7.init7.net> has joined #fink[15:48:21] <cirdan> heya Murr[16:09:54] *** Murr <Murr!~Murr@212-51-143-5.fiber7.init7.net> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[16:11:49] *** Murr <Murr!~Murr@212-51-143-5.fiber7.init7.net> has joined #fink[16:13:41] *** Murr <Murr!~Murr@212-51-143-5.fiber7.init7.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[16:14:59] *** Murr <Murr!~Murr@212-51-143-5.fiber7.init7.net> has joined #fink[16:37:52] *** hive-mind <hive-mind!pranq@rrcs-67-53-148-69.west.biz.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[16:44:56] *** hive-mind <hive-mind!pranq@rrcs-67-53-148-69.west.biz.rr.com> has joined #fink[16:51:24] *** Murr <Murr!~Murr@212-51-143-5.fiber7.init7.net> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[16:51:54] *** Murr <Murr!~Murr@212-51-143-5.fiber7.init7.net> has joined #fink[17:31:15] <akh> maccampus: you need to use source->selfupdate . Scanpackages originally just made your source-built packages known to the binary tools.[17:31:37] <akh> It doesn’t download any new information.[17:32:36] <maccampus> curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 404 Not Found[17:32:36] <maccampus> ### execution of curl failed, exit code 22[17:32:37] <maccampus> Downloading the file "CURRENT-FINK-10.13" failed.[17:32:38] <maccampus> Failed: Can't get latest version info[18:16:22] *** Murr <Murr!~Murr@212-51-143-5.fiber7.init7.net> has quit IRC (Read error: error:1408F119:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:decryption failed or bad record mac)[18:19:11] *** Murr <Murr!~Murr@212-51-143-5.fiber7.init7.net> has joined #fink[18:26:10] *** Murr <Murr!~Murr@212-51-143-5.fiber7.init7.net> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[18:26:40] *** Murr <Murr!~Murr@212-51-143-5.fiber7.init7.net> has joined #fink[18:27:40] <akh> Oh, you need to use git selfupdate, which Fink Commander doesn’t handle.[18:27:48] <akh> “fink selfupdate-git” to switch.[18:41:58] *** Murr <Murr!~Murr@212-51-143-5.fiber7.init7.net> has quit IRC (Read error: error:1408F119:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:decryption failed or bad record mac)[18:43:37] *** Murr <Murr!~Murr@212-51-143-5.fiber7.init7.net> has joined #fink[18:50:55] <akh> I quit.[18:51:27] <akh> I feel like the build tools are now actively against us. ;-)[19:15:08] <cirdan> they are[19:15:26] <cirdan> esp. apple's[19:17:10] <akh> Yah[19:38:12] *** Murr <Murr!~Murr@212-51-143-5.fiber7.init7.net> has quit IRC (Read error: error:1408F119:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:decryption failed or bad record mac)[19:39:18] *** Murr <Murr!~Murr@212-51-143-5.fiber7.init7.net> has joined #fink[19:40:24] <maccampus> Then maybe the time has come to update Finkcommander[19:40:41] <maccampus> Doing it with git now in cli[19:41:14] <maccampus> Can i use FinkCommander for all other stuff like looking for & installing a port ?[19:41:33] <maccampus> i still noted this error allong the way :[19:42:04] <maccampus> ### execution of /sw/bin/apt-get-lockwait failed, exit code 100[19:42:05] <maccampus> WARNING: Failure while updating indexes.[19:42:34] <akh> Feel free to contribute code to Fink Commander.[19:43:03] <akh> You’re going to get those messages until we get the DNS for finkmirrors.net back up and running.[19:43:48] <maccampus> afraid i’m not a coder[19:44:55] <akh> The reason Fink Commander hasn’t been updated is that it was a second-party tool whose developer stopped maintaining it.[19:46:06] <maccampus> there’s no alternative besides cli i suppose ?[19:46:16] <akh> Not unless somebody writes one.[19:47:54] <maccampus> okay, so why nobody takes it on to maintain Finkcommander, isn’t it usefull to most then ?[19:49:07] <maccampus> Seems git has worked :)[19:49:10] <maccampus> brb[19:49:41] <akh> Basically, same reason, we haven’t had anybody with time or knowledge to do that.[19:51:49] <akh> There probably isn’t any real reason a similar tool couldn’t be implemented using tools that more people know about. Fink Commander originated in a time when there weren’t really any good cross-platform graphics toolkits on the Mac that used native graphics instead of X11. That’s no longer the case.[20:36:47] <maccampus> Not being a programmer & looking inside the finkcommander.app Application package i seem to think it’s a perl script file that contains all comands for cli fink that needs to be altered, if someone then can edit the right nib files, i suppose MainMenu.nib which contains the Menu item strings[20:38:04] <cirdan> yeah it's prolly not a hard patch[20:38:29] <cirdan> do we still have selfupdate-svn or is that gone?[20:39:19] <maccampus> if svn is gone you could alter svn to become git[22:24:16] *** Murr <Murr!~Murr@212-51-143-5.fiber7.init7.net> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[22:24:46] *** Murr <Murr!~Murr@212-51-143-5.fiber7.init7.net> has joined #fink[22:39:43] *** maccampus <maccampus!~maccampus@d54c447db.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: maccampus)[22:45:19] *** Murr <Murr!~Murr@212-51-143-5.fiber7.init7.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:46:15] *** Murr <Murr!~Murr@212-51-143-5.fiber7.init7.net> has joined #fink[22:51:31] *** Murr <Murr!~Murr@212-51-143-5.fiber7.init7.net> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[22:52:01] *** Murr <Murr!~Murr@212-51-143-5.fiber7.init7.net> has joined #fink[23:07:34] *** Murr <Murr!~Murr@212-51-143-5.fiber7.init7.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:08:33] *** Murr <Murr!~Murr@212-51-143-5.fiber7.init7.net> has joined #fink[23:16:11] *** Murr <Murr!~Murr@212-51-143-5.fiber7.init7.net> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[23:17:27] *** Murr <Murr!~Murr@212-51-143-5.fiber7.init7.net> has joined #fink[23:46:25] *** Murr <Murr!~Murr@212-51-143-5.fiber7.init7.net> has quit IRC (Read error: error:1408F119:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:decryption failed or bad record mac)[23:47:25] *** Murr <Murr!~Murr@212-51-143-5.fiber7.init7.net> has joined #fink