March 14, 2019 
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done[21:42:24] <ajeddeloh> hmmm I have a few questions to think about: what does "overwrite" in the ignition storage.files section mean[21:42:31] <ajeddeloh> Allow overwriting contents?[21:42:38] <ajeddeloh> allow overwriting permissions?[21:42:54] <ajeddeloh> I'd argue the first is a definite yes[21:43:04] <ajeddeloh> not sure on the second[21:44:12] <ajeddeloh> leaning towards thinking that if overwrite=false and you don't specify contents but do specify some permissions, then Ignition should fail if the perms don't match[21:46:16] <slowrie> ajeddeloh: to me overwrite is meant specifically towards the context of contents[21:46:37] <slowrie> Which ever we end up going with though we should definitely clarify in docs[21:47:00] <ajeddeloh> so if overwrite=false we should always chmod+chown if they don't match?[21:47:06] <ajeddeloh> +1 to adding it to the docs[21:47:36] <slowrie> To me yeah, but I wouldn't be particularly against it the other way as long as it's documented[21:52:02] <ajeddeloh> bgilbert: jlebon thoughts^[21:54:06] <bgilbert> fail on non-matching is consistent with the wipeFilesystem semantics[21:54:34] <bgilbert> what does overwrite=false do now if the file already exists?[21:56:09] <bgilbert> looks like it fails[21:56:25] <slowrie> I believe the currently it only applies to the writing of contents[21:56:30] <bgilbert> right[21:56:32] <slowrie> But I could be wrong, never validated that[21:57:28] <bgilbert> ajeddeloh: I guess I wonder how much these corner cases matter, since Ignition only runs once[21:58:10] <bgilbert> is it useful to write a config that checks the perms on a file shipping with the OS and fails if they're not X?[21:58:35] <bgilbert> or of a parent config, even[22:00:54] <bgilbert> in lots of languages, file mode arguments are only used if the file is actually created, which are Ignition's current semantics as well[22:03:34] <ajeddeloh> bgilbert: I'd argue that foes against Ignition's "give you what you asked for or nothing"[22:04:20] <ajeddeloh> goes*[22:05:03] <bgilbert> ajeddeloh: what's the purpose of specifying a file mode but not contents?[22:06:53] <ajeddeloh> You want to change the owner of an existing file on the system[22:06:59] <ajeddeloh> or mode[22:07:49] <ajeddeloh> With overwrite=false you'd fail if they don't match[22:10:53] <ajeddeloh> I think I'm ok with always chown/chmoding[22:11:13] <ajeddeloh> but not ok with not chown/chmoding if overwrite=false[22:13:41] <jlebon> yeah, i think always doing chown/chmod makes sense[22:14:02] <bgilbert> sgtm[22:14:03] <jlebon> whether it's to override a file from a base config or on the disk[22:17:49] *** ajeddeloh <ajeddeloh!~andrew@12.133.141.2> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[22:19:47] *** ajeddeloh <ajeddeloh!~andrew@12.206.223.82> has joined #fedora-coreos[22:23:06] <bgilbert> dustymabe: any context on the current split of the Ignition RPM into ignition and ignition-dracut[22:23:08] <bgilbert> ?[22:23:49] <bgilbert> the division between them seems a bit arbitrary and neither depends on the other[22:25:17] <bgilbert> I'm thinking about https://github.com/openshift/os/issues/266, and I think we'd want ignition.rpm (arch-dep, /usr/libexec/ignition + ignition-dracut) and ignition-validate.rpm (arch-dep, just ignition-validate)[22:25:29] <bgilbert> but I'm probably missing something[22:26:29] <bgilbert> actually I might go for /usr/lib, with the execute bit off[22:58:14] *** dm0 <dm0!~dm0@2601:986:200:7341:2cf7:f5dc:5eed:77b3> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[23:00:19] *** isaque <isaque!~isaque@2804:14c:3b9c:1314:48db:7e87:cd0e:e426> has joined #fedora-coreos[23:00:26] *** ajeddeloh <ajeddeloh!~andrew@12.206.223.82> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[23:06:34] *** ajeddeloh <ajeddeloh!~andrew@12.206.223.82> has joined #fedora-coreos[23:15:15] *** jfoy <jfoy!~jfoy@50.237.87.162> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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