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[06:34:39] <TedJs> Toulemean - I am now on IRC...
[06:34:50] <toulmean> TedJs: aha
[06:35:02] <toulmean> TedJs: so where do you work Ted ?
[06:35:19] <toulmean> TedJs: what's your interest in the BPMN modeler + BPMN 2.0 ?
[06:35:33] <TedJs> Ameriprise Financial... I know not your typical tech shop
[06:35:46] <toulmean> TedJs: ok
[06:35:57] <toulmean> TedJs: and this is part of a project or more like personal stuff ?
[06:36:01] <TedJs> I am a project architect and I create UML/DSL/DSMs etc for about 50 architects
[06:36:11] <TedJs> A little of both...
[06:36:33] <toulmean> TedJs: ok I see.
[06:36:36] <TedJs> I am evaluating a long term approach to becoming more process oriented.
[06:36:42] <toulmean> TedJs: so you use the BPMN modeler right now ?
[06:36:49] <TedJs> BPMN notational diagramming is the first key
[06:37:06] <TedJs> Kindof not really... UML lots
[06:38:53] <TedJs> BPMN is domain specific and I am researching if it will have an easier adoption and roleout than say UML activity diagrams, visio is not the long term answer in my personal (not speaking as an employee here) opinion.
[06:38:54] <toulmean> TedJs: ok and you are a Java dev right ?
[06:39:45] <TedJs> Yup I mostly do Java dev, not sure if that is some noun/group
[06:41:24] <TedJs> I have been interested in how much support you get outside of intalio.  I have checked out your products in the past.  I like your xforms approach.
[06:41:46] <toulmean> TedJs: you get no support if you don't pay.
[06:42:04] <toulmean> TedJs: I have been on the forums helping people get started for some time. But that doesn't scale much.
[06:42:07] <TedJs> No support for the development of STP, sry not clear
[06:42:40] <toulmean> TedJs: uh, ok
[06:42:51] <toulmean> TedJs: I was referring to our community edition at Intalio
[06:43:03] <TedJs> Yup
[06:43:48] <TedJs> For example, are most of the STP BPMN contributors Intalio, other companies, or community based
[06:43:49] <TedJs> ?
[06:44:06] <toulmean> TedJs: we have two committers, both working for Intalio.
[06:44:13] <toulmean> TedJs: haven't really reached out yet.
[06:44:31] <toulmean> TedJs: We started working with the MDT for the BPMN 2 subproject, where I am the only committer right now.
[06:44:35] <toulmean> Need to bootstrap there.
[06:45:04] <toulmean> TedJs: we have had contributions to the BPMN modeler in the past, just no time to follow through with them
[06:45:04] <TedJs> Sure.  Then it is still Intalio release their IP
[06:45:30] <TedJs> errr Spelling "releasing"
[06:46:38] <toulmean> TedJs: slowly...
[06:46:54] <toulmean> TedJs: even though we still own the copyright ;)
[06:47:22] <toulmean> TedJs: so thx for the reference to the derived feature. I need to find out more about it, just running behind these days.
[06:48:04] <TedJs> Ya.
[06:48:50] <TedJs> Did my rambling 5 points make any sense...
[06:48:51] <TedJs> ?
[06:49:15] <toulmean> still trying to reply to it
[06:49:25] <toulmean> while discussing with 2 people and paying a bill
[06:49:45] <TedJs> The email is really asking questions of OMG and the spec, but was it readable for you?  Are you an OMG member?
[06:50:05] <toulmean> I am
[06:50:22] <toulmean> it is, need to get to it
[06:53:03] <TedJs> Are there really any OMG IRC channels?
[06:53:17] <TedJs> private or public?
[06:53:23] <toulmean> TedJs: no, none of that
[06:53:26] <toulmean> OMG is private stuff
[06:53:43] <toulmean> TedJs: to that regard it sucks a bit for sure.
[06:54:40] <TedJs> toulmean: should I really be putting "toulmean" at the front of the msgs?  You can tell I am not an IRC pro.
[06:55:04] <toulmean> TedJs: it makes more noise on my end, it's a good idea on channels with more traffic
[06:59:40] <toulmean> on good IRC clients (I'm on colloquy) there is autocompletion for names so it's pretty painless
[07:02:49] <TedJs> You would think mICR would have it.
[07:03:40] <toulmean> TedJs: ok, what's your timezone ?
[07:04:28] <TedJs> Well I better get to sleeping... At some point I would like to learn more about areas that need contribution.  For example, do you have plans around the properties view?  Need help creating a more usable less tree/EMF type structured UI?  It will only get more important as the spec keeps growing in complexity.
[07:04:40] <TedJs> I am central.  It is about -10 out.
[07:04:55] <toulmean> TedJs: allright I see.
[07:05:36] <TedJs> Have a good night.
[07:05:36] <toulmean> TedJs: frankly we are just starting porting the BPMN 2 spec to ecore, and you seem to be discovering it too. I'll keep you in the loop, we'll do some announcements on the dev list
[07:05:55] <TedJs> sounds good.
[07:05:57] <toulmean> TedJs: We can talk quickly next week, see if you could work on BPMN 2 in an official way.
[07:06:29] <toulmean> TedJs: if your company is ok with it and you can take time for it, you can make contributions to the BPMN 2 project and we can elect you committer after a few of them
[07:06:36] <toulmean> TedJs: that's how it works with Eclipse.
[07:09:29] <TedJs> I will see... if I can work it into the Analysis/Design/Modeling tooling/plug-in work that I do.  Making the tool more business/novice might be one avenue.
[07:10:21] <toulmean> TedJs: wondering, you guys are modeling only ?
[07:10:27] <toulmean> TedJs: no execution of processes yet ?
[07:11:48] <TedJs> No comment.
[07:11:58] <toulmean> TedJs: ah.
[07:12:25] <TedJs> K, later, have a good night, look forward to seeing the email chain
[07:12:28] <toulmean> TedJs: ok so let's talk next week
[07:12:31] <toulmean> TedJs: sure
[07:12:36] <toulmean> TedJs: bye
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