[00:23:27] <toulmean> oisinh, sdrapeau: bugs have been created
[00:25:15] <oisinh> toulmean: saw them, thanks Antoine
[00:25:33] <toulmean> ok
[00:29:13] <sdrapeau> toulmean: can you build bpmn on your machine?
[00:29:22] <sdrapeau> toulmean: I have classpath issues:    [java] Error: file C:\BuildSCA\bpmn\build\buckminster\myBuild\working\build \workspace\plugins\org.eclipse.stp.bpmn.diagram: The project was not built since  its build path is incomplete. Cannot find the class file for org.eclipse.swt.graphics.Font. Fix the build path then try building this project
[00:29:41] <toulmean> no, but that's because I don't have the platform installed there
[00:30:03] <toulmean> I only tried to build on the build machine, where it works.
[00:30:15] <sdrapeau> ok
[00:30:23] <toulmean> sdrapeau: that's a very weird error.
[00:30:36] <toulmean> it might be because the swt plugin could not be activated
[00:30:49] <toulmean> maybe wrong platform
[00:31:21] <toulmean> same question as for oisin about macs
[00:31:32] <toulmean> did you set up the buckminster properties to match your platform
[00:31:41] <toulmean> in buckminster.properties ?
[00:31:49] <sdrapeau> yes
[00:32:05] <sdrapeau> Perhaps it's time to go to sleep...
[00:32:52] <toulmean> well. I have to walk the dog one last time before that.
[00:32:55] <toulmean> so no rush.
[00:33:48] <sdrapeau> :)
[00:34:45] <sdrapeau> My baby is sleeping, so it's time for me
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[00:39:58] <toulmean> oisinh: copied 1.7.1 from /shared/stp/apps/apache-ant-1.7.1 to /shared/common/apache-ant-1.7.1
[00:40:37] <toulmean> however I can't remove it from /shared/stp/apps
[00:40:49] <toulmean> I think you should remove ant 1.6.5 as well
[00:40:55] <toulmean> and you can remove the java installs
[00:41:05] <toulmean> there are some in /shared/common that do the job nicely
[00:41:28] <toulmean> you might want to look there, just to make sure there is the one you want, as I am not too sure about it
[00:41:46] <toulmean> ok going to sleep
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[01:08:29] <sdrapeau> I can build BPMN! Yeah!!
[01:08:35] <sdrapeau> But I still have prb with SCA :(
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[01:31:24] <dchauhan> Hi All, I am trying to update a wiki page at http://wiki.eclipse.org/STP/SCA_Component/SCA_First_Steps_With_Composite_Designer but I am not able to login using my Bugzilla account.. Does anybody have any idea??
[01:33:40] <oisinh_> dchauhan: your bugzilla account should work fine to do the update, have you tried just logging into bugzilla itself to see if that works? Just as a sanity check?
[01:34:17] <dchauhan> yes.. my account works fine for bugzilla.. I tried that
[01:34:39] <oisinh_> dchauhan:  ok I'll just check using my account here.
[01:35:56] <oisinh_> dchauhan:  so I logged out - no Edit link on the left side - then I logged in again using Bugzilla account - then revisited the page - and the Edit link has re-appeared.
[01:36:14] <oisinh_> dchauhan: so it appears to work for me at least...
[01:37:15] <dchauhan> i see...do you see this page while trying to login to the wiki page?? https://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&returnto=STP/SCA_Component/SCA_First_Steps_With_Composite_Designer
[01:37:29] <oisinh_> yup
[01:38:05] <oisinh_> that's the page I used to login... then you have a 'return to page' kind of link that will bring you back to where you were.
[01:38:52] <dchauhan> hmm... I don't know why it's not working for me !! I used the same page to even create a new bugzilla account and tried the same account to login...
[01:40:41] <oisinh_> dchauhan: sorry to hear it's not working for you! did you just create the bugzilla account very recently?
[01:41:20] <dchauhan> actually I created one 2 days before and it didn't work and I created new one with new email address yesterday but same issue... :(
[01:41:57] <dchauhan> well.. may be I can contact webmaster to see what's happening...
[01:42:57] <oisinh_> dchauhan:  the only thing I can think of is that there is something wrong with the single sign-on information that it needs to propagate or something. do contact the webmaster and get him to check is the best bet I think
[01:43:42] <dchauhan> yup...will do that.. Thanks for your help... :)
[01:44:22] <oisinh_> dchauhan:  no prob, hope it works out ok!
[01:47:09] <oisinh_> toulmean:  when you see sdrapeau online, you can tell him I fixed his sca build :)
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[08:49:48] <toulmean> ~258400
[08:49:54] <KOS-MOS> Bug 258400 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=258400 - Community / CommitterTools / unspecified - All / All - NEW / normal / - Assignee: webmaster at eclipse dot org - Add atoulme and sdrapeau to the signers group
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[11:39:59] <toulmean> sdrapeau: Oisin fixed your build
[11:46:12] <sdrapeau> toulmean: Did he commit?
[11:46:34] <toulmean> I just have this
[11:46:40] <toulmean> oisinh_: toulmean:  when you see sdrapeau online, you can tell him I fixed his sca build
[11:46:56] <toulmean> what was the problem with the bpmn build btw.
[11:48:47] <sdrapeau> A property which I have forgotten...
[11:48:54] <sdrapeau> to change
[11:49:00] <toulmean> ok.
[11:54:50] <sdrapeau> I'm going crazy with the SCA build!
[11:54:55] <sdrapeau>  Now, I have issues that are due to Orbit.
[11:55:09] <sdrapeau> I will wait for Oisin!
[11:55:15] <toulmean> ah, you have Orbit deps.
[11:55:19] <toulmean> good luck.
[11:55:21] <sdrapeau> yep
[11:55:28] <toulmean> I am investigating the old scripts
[11:55:30] <sdrapeau> thanks ;)
[11:55:42] <toulmean> it looks like we need to have permissions to run the sign script
[11:55:49] <toulmean> ~258400
[11:55:50] <KOS-MOS> Bug 258400 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=258400 - Community / CommitterTools / unspecified - All / All - NEW / normal / - Assignee: webmaster at eclipse dot org - Add atoulme and sdrapeau to the signers group
[11:55:59] <sdrapeau> Yes, I saw
[11:56:22] <toulmean> I am going to create a buildr buildFile to manage the scripts
[11:56:35] <toulmean> there will be one task per script
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[13:40:34] <toulmean> sdrapeau: here comes oisin
[13:40:58] <oisinh> toulmean, sdrapeau : forgot to check stuff in last night, sorry!
[13:41:17] <toulmean> sdrapeau apparently figured that.
[13:41:37] <toulmean> I took a look at the old scripts and they look good. I think I can push them into a unique build file
[13:41:44] <oisinh> sdrapeau: I'll do it now in a few minutes once I am properly awake (it is 0443 here :)
[13:41:46] <toulmean> I think more and more of using buildr to do the job
[13:42:01] <oisinh> buildr?
[13:42:48] <oisinh> ah oj
[13:43:04] <toulmean> see my latest blog post for perspective as well
[13:43:13] <toulmean> get a bagel, a coffee, and let's talk :)
[13:44:22] <sdrapeau> oisinh: Thanks. I made some corrections, but I still have issues (with Orbit)
[13:44:41] <oisinh> sdrapeau: ok I should svn up then
[13:45:19] <sdrapeau> oisinh: Before, you can take a coffee ;)
[13:50:39] <oisinh> sdrapeau: committed the fixes - sca-tools now does a full build and update site build.
[13:50:50] <oisinh> sdrapeau:  svn up and try them out
[13:51:12] <oisinh> sdrapeau: there was an error in the .rmap file that was causing the most of the issue
[13:51:39] <sdrapeau> oisinh: I'll test right now.
[13:52:01] <oisinh> sdrapeau:  note - this build I ran was on the build infrastructure and wasn't a 'local' one, i.e. it checked everything out from SVN
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[14:06:42] <toulmean> oisinh: the pack script unzips the jars.
[14:07:01] <toulmean> however the description of the pack200 application mentions there is no need to unzip.
[14:07:25] <toulmean> maybe I am wrong, and pack200 just can find nested jars
[14:08:28] <sdrapeau> oisinh: without success :(
[14:08:38] <sdrapeau> oisinh: I still have issues with Orbit
[14:08:56] <sdrapeau>      [java] Downloading http://download.eclipse.org/tools/orbit/downloads/drops/S20081025033911/orbitBundles-S20081025033911.map
[14:08:56] <sdrapeau>      [java] org.eclipse.help:osgi.bundle: Rejecting provider eclipse.import(http://download.eclipse.org/tools/orbit/downloads/drops/S20081025033911/orbitBundles-S20081025033911.map): No component match was found
[14:08:56] <sdrapeau>      [java] org.eclipse.help:osgi.bundle: No provider was found that could resolve the request
[14:08:56] <sdrapeau>      [java] ERROR   [0007] : No suitable provider for component org.eclipse.help:osgi.bundle was found in searchPath orbit
[14:08:58] <sdrapeau>      [java]   ERROR   [0007] : Rejecting provider eclipse.import(http://download.eclipse.org/tools/orbit/downloads/drops/S20081025033911/orbitBundles-S20081025033911.map): No component match was found
[14:09:01] <sdrapeau>      [java] Doing full workspace refresh
[14:09:03] <sdrapeau>      [java] ERROR: Error while refreshing workspace: null
[14:09:05] <sdrapeau>      [java] Waiting for jobs to end
[14:09:07] <sdrapeau>      [java] Command canceled
[14:09:54] <oisinh> sdrapeau:  it is looking for the org.eclipse.help bundle
[14:10:08] <sdrapeau> oisinh: yep
[14:10:24] <oisinh> sdrapeau:  the issue is that it can't find it in the platform, in the checked out code and orbit is the last place it looks
[14:11:20] <oisinh> let me check where I am finding it
[14:12:40] <toulmean> oisinh: yep, the wiki page contains examples making use of zips : http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Pack200
[14:12:44] <oisinh> sdrapeau: that plugin is in my platform installation. that's where it should be picked up from
[14:12:49] <toulmean> allright, digging my holes.
[14:13:59] <sdrapeau> oisinh: I think we need also to add jdom in the buckminster.cspec file (in the build.site action). I'm wrong?
[14:14:47] <oisinh> toulmean: are you digging in to the pack stuff now?
[14:14:53] <oisinh> toulmean: awesome if so :)
[14:15:06] <toulmean> oisinh: I am migrating your bash scripts to ruby functions
[14:15:13] <oisinh> sdrapeau:  um, I thought it was there already...I'll check
[14:15:14] <toulmean> so that they may be called easily.
[14:15:20] <oisinh> toulmean:  go ruby guy ;)
[14:15:25] <toulmean> and chained flawlessly
[14:15:30] <toulmean> almost done.
[14:17:06] <oisinh> toulmean:  great, if you could update the wiki then http://wiki.eclipse.org/STP/Build_Component we can all test it out
[14:17:18] <toulmean> oisinh: sure.
[14:17:28] <toulmean> actually a bit stuck because I could not install buildr
[14:17:38] <toulmean> otherwise I would put tasks in place, and make this dead easy.
[14:18:02] <oisinh> sdrapeau:  you're right, I forgot to put in the jdom whatsit for the update site.
[14:18:12] <oisinh> sdrapeau:  I'll get on that now.
[14:18:23] <sdrapeau> oisinh: ok
[14:37:22] <oisinh> sdrapeau, toulmean : btw the current build doesn't kick off the unit tests, that still needs to be constructed
[14:37:39] <toulmean> so far I have no unit tests
[14:37:50] <toulmean> does someone have tests ?
[14:38:17] <oisinh> interesting :)
[14:38:33] <oisinh> yes, there are certainly tests in there.... they are useful :)
[14:38:42] <toulmean> I don't doubt that.
[14:38:49] <sdrapeau> I haven't unit tests. What is a unit test? ;)
[14:38:56] <sdrapeau> :-P
[14:39:06] <toulmean> Our commercial product has more and more of them, but for bpmn we didn't have time to create them.
[14:39:47] <sdrapeau> same!
[14:40:44] <oisinh> so you have tests, they are just not in open source.... so the stuff is getting tested in commercial source and then you apply the fixes to the open source when appropriate
[14:41:01] <toulmean> no
[14:41:09] <toulmean> otherwise we'd open source them
[14:41:14] <toulmean> no, not so simple alas
[14:41:31] <toulmean> we rely on the open source foundation to do crazy stuff. And we test the crazy stuff.
[14:41:39] <toulmean> so yes we test the open source stuff.
[14:41:45] <toulmean> but not really
[14:41:57] <toulmean> we should do the testing at all levels.
[14:42:13] <toulmean> however we have found that building a test suite for diagrams is pretty hard.
[14:42:26] <oisinh> the stuff that you consume from open source gets tested as part of your commercial suite testing
[14:42:27] <toulmean> in particular if we have UI to simulate
[14:42:34] <oisinh> test suite for diagrams is hard alright!
[14:42:47] <oisinh> have you looked at something like SWTBot?
[14:42:53] <toulmean> not yet.
[14:43:06] <toulmean> for now we try to test as much as we can headless.
[14:43:12] <oisinh> yeah
[14:43:19] <toulmean> Our product has something like 12 different builders
[14:43:31] <toulmean> so we already have quite a few things to master.
[14:43:32] <oisinh> swtbot looks interesting, I think it would be cool to use it to drive demos :)
[14:43:40] <toulmean> ah
[14:43:44] <toulmean> you could use it like that ?
[14:44:00] <toulmean> I was thinking about the N&N, about that.
[14:44:17] <oisinh> sdrapeau: does SCA actually use jdom??>
[14:44:18] <toulmean> I don't think a N&N with a screenshot and a bit of text is going to be enough.
[14:44:41] <toulmean> we should have very short videos, 10 to 20s
[14:44:51] <oisinh> toulmean: it would be cool to have an swtbot piece of code that would show the N&N
[14:44:51] <sdrapeau> oisinh: Yes. The XML editor use it
[14:45:35] <toulmean> wasn't jdom a flawed way to look at xml .... ? we use stax a lot here.
[14:45:44] <toulmean> oisinh: yes, swtbot would be great.
[14:46:03] <oisinh> jdom was used a lot because it just had a nicer API than DOM/SAX
[14:47:04] <toulmean> yes ; I was warned by my jedi master than DOM was bad because it was keeping stuff in memory.
[14:47:08] <oisinh> sdrapeau: ok I see it now being pulled into the build
[14:47:19] <oisinh> sdrapeau: haven't got it into the update site yet ;)
[14:51:35] <vzurczak> Hi guys. :)
[14:51:44] <toulmean> hello.
[14:52:10] <sdrapeau> hi vzurczak
[14:52:32] <oisinh> aha just the man
[14:52:33] <vzurczak> I have already thought about using another parser in the XML editor than JDom (this dependency is annoing sometimes). But for the moment, this is not my priority.
[14:52:49] <vzurczak> Unless this is a major issue for the builds. :)
[14:53:24] <oisinh> vzurczak:  for the build all we need is that the JDOM dependency be present in the org.eclipse.stp.sca.feature.xmleditor  feature.xml and then it will get included correctly
[14:54:31] <sdrapeau> oisinh: in sca-tools.rmap, line 109, "samples" is missing between {0} and {1} ?
[14:54:43] <oisinh> sdrapeau: checkin....
[14:54:51] <oisinh> checking I mean
[14:55:16] <vzurczak> oisinh: OK.
[14:56:03] <oisinh> sdrapeau:  yep, forgot to do that one. just means that the samples get checked out all the time even if they are present in the local file system
[14:56:46] <oisinh> sdrapeau:  fixed in r2842
[14:59:53] <oisinh> 6am here, time to go forage for food and coffee.
[15:00:03] <toulmean> oisinh: all your scripts in use have been refactored in ruby methods
[15:00:04] <toulmean> http://dev.eclipse.org/svnroot/stp/org.eclipse.stp.bpmn-modeler/org.eclipse.stp.bpmn/trunk/build/Buildfile
[15:00:48] <toulmean> they may be called from a ruby script. It is too early to document that in detail. When buildr is installed I will document tasks
[15:00:53] <oisinh> toulmean: I like it.
[15:01:07] * oisinh hears the coffee calling....
[15:01:15] <toulmean> ttyl oisin
[15:01:39] <oisinh> sdrapeau: when the xmleditor feature is updated you should get a full and complete update site...
[15:01:54] <sdrapeau> oisinh: :)
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[15:06:14] <vzurczak> sdrapeau: I added org.jdom to the dependencies in the feature.xml file.
[15:28:57] <sdrapeau> vzurczak: ok. Will you commit the form editor this week? Can we plan to integrate it in the build process later? M5?
[15:32:57] <vzurczak> I'm working on it. I can make the initial commit tomorrow evening. It will be very basic first. Overview, includes (the easiest one) and source pages, + the associated editing features.
[15:33:20] <toulmean> guys, quick question
[15:33:25] <toulmean> why a XML editor ?
[15:33:32] <vzurczak> Next week, I should add services and references pages, and components and other pages will come in January.
[15:33:34] <toulmean> don't we have two of those already ?
[15:34:05] <vzurczak> In fact, I just specialized the WTP XML editor for SCA composites.
[15:34:10] <toulmean> a bit off base with this, never actually tried it
[15:34:11] <toulmean> ah
[15:34:14] <toulmean> neat!
[15:35:59] <vzurczak> I should update the associated page on the wiki in January to detail the last features.
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[16:58:02] * toulmean is installing jruby, and buildr.
[16:58:27] <toulmean> so far the gem installation with jruby works great.
[17:00:47] <oisinAWAY> sdrapeau: update - I haven't managed to get org.jdom into the update site yet, not sure why not. got to head off to Eclipse board meeting now, will go again later...
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[17:20:40] <toulmean> ok, buildr is running and making quirky noises.
[17:49:54] <oisinh> sdrapeau: do you want the amalgamation feature included in the update site build, or is that for a different update site?
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[17:53:08] <sdrapeau> oisinh: it's for a different update site
[17:53:57] <oisinh> sdrapeau: I thought so. we'll need to add another build spec for that I guess
[17:56:40] <sdrapeau> Yes, but there is no need to hurry
[18:00:15] <toulmean> the_alien: still blocked ?
[18:00:26] <toulmean> beware of cracksmoke, he's a troll
[18:01:27] <the_alien> blocked?
[18:01:40] <toulmean> by your mac bug I mean
[18:01:40] <the_alien> if u mean i cant debug... yeah, thats still my problem
[18:01:47] <toulmean> ok
[18:01:47] <the_alien> it got even worse
[18:01:55] <toulmean> but you can run, right ?
[18:02:03] <the_alien> i cant even run eclipse applications anymore
[18:02:09] <toulmean> ah that's good.
[18:02:15] <toulmean> that means I can maybe help you
[18:02:27] <the_alien> that would be cool
[18:02:29] <toulmean> did you add -debug -consoleLog to the arguments of the eclipse app
[18:02:46] <toulmean> what jvm do you use again ? the 5.0 32 bits ?
[18:02:59] <the_alien> uhm
[18:03:05] <the_alien> how can i find out?
[18:03:11] <toulmean> go to a terminal, type java -version
[18:03:21] <the_alien> add the cmds to the run configuration or eclipse itself?
[18:03:26] <toulmean> then go to the preferences, look at Java>Installed JREs
[18:03:57] <toulmean> no, in a terminal, in bash, type java -version
[18:04:00] <the_alien> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_16-b06-284)
[18:04:07] <toulmean> ok
[18:04:14] <toulmean> so you have the standard jvm
[18:04:22] <the_alien> i mean if i should add "-debug -consoleLog" to eclipse or the run config
[18:04:32] <toulmean> to the run config only
[18:04:42] <toulmean> to the arguments of the program
[18:05:00] <toulmean> then you should run that, see if there is anything in the console
[18:05:15] <the_alien> nothing
[18:05:53] <toulmean> can you run just a helloworld sample ?
[18:05:59] <toulmean> just to try something really basic
[18:06:01] <the_alien> yeah, runs fine
[18:06:19] <the_alien> i can debug it too
[18:06:24] <toulmean> ok
[18:06:43] <toulmean> and what do you have at the end of the log of your dev running instance
[18:06:50] <toulmean> maybe you have something in there
[18:07:04] <toulmean> try tail -n 200 <workspace>/.metadata/.log
[18:07:09] <toulmean> in a terminal window
[18:08:12] <the_alien> workspace of eclipse or the application i'm trying to start?
[18:08:28] <the_alien> eclipse is just showing me an entry about http.nonProxyHosts
[18:08:44] <toulmean> of eclipse
[18:08:57] <toulmean> you can also try the application
[18:09:06] <the_alien> applications workspace is not created
[18:09:31] <toulmean> do you have .log files created in the configuration folder of your dev eclipse instance ?
[18:10:56] <the_alien> dont know where they should be
[18:11:02] <the_alien> cant see any on first look
[18:11:11] <toulmean> ok
[18:11:33] <toulmean> well, where do you create the instance workspace, do you have rights there ?
[18:11:46] <the_alien> it's in my homefolder
[18:12:05] <toulmean> darn
[18:13:01] <the_alien> it should be in home/till/Documents/<runtime-workspace>
[18:13:14] <toulmean> did you try reinstalling a classic SDK ? at this point, it sounds easier
[18:13:22] <toulmean> frankly.
[18:14:11] <the_alien> downloaded a fully featured eclipse
[18:14:19] <the_alien> after my problems
[18:14:26] <toulmean> and you still have that ?
[18:14:33] <the_alien> thats what i'm trying to get it to work now
[18:14:33] <toulmean> you reused the same workspace ?
[18:14:40] <the_alien> reused the same
[18:14:44] <the_alien> and created a new
[18:15:01] <the_alien> even checked out the sources of the modeler once again
[18:15:18] <toulmean> and still nothing ?
[18:15:28] <toulmean> I don't get it.
[18:15:44] <the_alien> me neither...
[18:16:35] <the_alien> all i changed was the /etc/hosts file to have "tills-macbook" pointing to 127.0.0.1
[18:16:36] <toulmean> ok, so when you run an Eclipse app, how long does it run before exiting ?
[18:16:48] <the_alien> but i dont see how this could change anything
[18:16:58] <the_alien> not a second
[18:17:02] <toulmean> yep, should not be a problem
[18:17:03] <toulmean> ok
[18:17:24] <the_alien> it's nearly instantly terminated
[18:17:35] <toulmean> what eclipse did you install ? the Classic SDK for Mac Intel ?
[18:17:36] <toulmean> right ?
[18:18:29] <the_alien> right now. this one: http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/download.php?file=/technology/epp/downloads/release/ganymede/SR1/eclipse-modeling-ganymede-SR1-incubation-macosx-carbon.tar.gz
[18:19:03] <toulmean> ok
[18:19:05] <the_alien> last time it was eclipse classic 3.4.1
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[18:20:21] <toulmean> can you take a look at the error log of your machine
[18:20:39] <the_alien> sure
[18:20:42] <the_alien> where is it :D
[18:23:45] <toulmean> ikkk
[18:23:47] <toulmean> ah
[18:24:13] <toulmean> ok, in var/log
[18:24:17] <toulmean> in system.log
[18:24:30] <toulmean> weird, couldn't post the file name
[18:26:26] <the_alien> uhm maybe is multiclutch causing some trouble?
[18:27:19] <toulmean> dunno
[18:27:23] <toulmean> never installed that one.
[18:28:10] <the_alien> eclipse tells from time to time that it cant open this input manager
[18:28:25] <the_alien> but it would cause problems in normal eclipse too, not just in the app
[18:29:22] <toulmean> can you paste the contents of the .log file in the .metadata folder of your workspace
[18:29:26] <toulmean> ~pastebin
[18:29:43] <toulmean> where is KOS-MOS ?
[18:30:28] <toulmean> anyway, paste it on pastebin
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[18:32:27] <the_alien> http://pastebin.com/m43c1f58f
[18:33:58] <toulmean> the_alien: create a new eclipse app configuration ?
[18:34:08] <the_alien> hu?
[18:34:22] <toulmean> I mean, go in Window>Run configurations
[18:34:39] <toulmean> on the Eclipse configurations, create a new config
[18:35:48] <the_alien> wont help
[18:36:34] <toulmean> I don't understand what is happening.
[18:36:36] <the_alien> checkd out the plugins
[18:36:51] <toulmean> yes, is everything working ?
[18:36:57] <the_alien> the compilerlevel is 1.5?
[18:37:02] <toulmean> yes
[18:37:10] <the_alien> compiling? yes
[18:37:29] <toulmean> when you go in
[18:37:45] <toulmean> Preferences>Plug-in development>Target platform
[18:39:19] <the_alien> then?
[18:39:51] <toulmean> make sure the target platform is macosx
[18:40:06] <the_alien> it is
[18:40:11] <toulmean> that it is on carbon ?
[18:40:33] <the_alien> yeah
[18:40:36] <the_alien> architecture x86
[18:40:43] <the_alien> locale de_DE
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[18:40:52] <the_alien> runtime JVM 1.5.0
[18:40:56] <toulmean> can you remove the locale ?
[18:41:48] <the_alien> switching to "en" wont help
[18:43:38] <toulmean> can you post to the platform newsgroup
[18:43:43] <toulmean> about this ?
[18:43:45] <the_alien> sure
[18:44:57] <the_alien> tried it with the "Cannot connect to VM" error and the jdt newsgroup. which didn't really help
[18:45:19] <toulmean> no, JDT isn't always the best place
[18:45:55] <the_alien> if got to run normal (not debug) once or twice without any problem, then i was trying to get the f***ing debug to work and now nothing works
[18:45:56] <toulmean> I'm asking an other committer, PDE guy working on mac
[18:47:05] <toulmean> just to be sure I understand, you never were able to run the Eclipse instance with your new Eclipse install, right ?
[18:47:32] <the_alien> with the new? never
[18:47:49] <the_alien> i installed the modeler with p2 in the old eclipse
[18:48:17] <the_alien> there it ran at the beginning (before trying to fix the debug thingy)
[18:49:30] <toulmean> ok. No idea.
[18:53:07] <the_alien> dito :/
[18:54:04] <the_alien> the other committer has noe idea too?
[18:54:22] <toulmean> he is asking the same questions...
[18:54:28] <the_alien> :/
[18:54:33] <the_alien> *sad*
[18:55:22] <the_alien> going to post on the platform newsgroup
[18:55:39] <the_alien> maybe someone there could help
[18:55:44] <toulmean> just to be sure: you don't use jdk6 at all, right ?
[18:55:48] <toulmean> it's not installed ?
[18:56:47] <the_alien> haven't installed anything for java
[18:56:56] <toulmean> oki
[18:57:03] <the_alien> but as far as i've read it is installed using the update manager
[18:57:10] <the_alien> so it is installed
[18:57:28] <the_alien> the 1.6 jvm is showing up in the java settings of eclipse
[18:57:33] <toulmean> ah
[18:57:40] <toulmean> is it checked ?
[18:57:49] <toulmean> Make sure you don't use it for compilation!
[18:58:22] <toulmean> Java>Installed JREs
[18:59:32] <the_alien> 1.5.0 is default jre
[18:59:38] <the_alien> compiler level is 1.5
[18:59:57] <the_alien> checked all projects and none has overridden this setting
[19:00:01] <the_alien> all is 1.5
[19:00:15] <toulmean> arf.
[19:00:34] <the_alien> java executable is set to "default" and the runtime jre is "1.5"
[19:02:24] <toulmean> the_alien: what is the product or the application selected ?
[19:02:27] <toulmean> in the run configuration ?
[19:03:09] <the_alien> product: org.eclipse.platform.ide
[19:03:55] <toulmean> run an application: workbench.ide ?
[19:04:02] <the_alien> nope
[19:04:28] <toulmean> what is selected in the plugins tab ?
[19:04:38] <the_alien> everything
[19:05:26] <toulmean> try Use selected only, select everything, then try validate plug-ins
[19:06:18] <the_alien> 3 problems
[19:06:20] <the_alien> with jdt
[19:06:27] <the_alien> jdt.compiler.apt
[19:06:33] <the_alien> jdt.compiler.tool
[19:06:40] <toulmean> ah..., try removing the jdt plugins that are jdk6 only
[19:06:47] <toulmean> remove the whole jdt if you can
[19:06:52] <the_alien> jdt.apt.plugable.core
[19:07:05] <toulmean> those are jdk6 only
[19:08:10] <the_alien> *sigh* nope
[19:09:12] <toulmean> did you try restarting eclipse with a -clean
[19:09:31] <toulmean> exit, restart with a big ol' -clean
[19:11:15] <the_alien> restarting yes, clean no
[19:11:19] <the_alien> trying it now
[19:12:18] <the_alien> again
[19:12:20] <the_alien> nope
[19:13:04] <toulmean> wait, did you restart your development eclipse instance ?
[19:13:26] <the_alien> yeah
[19:13:41] <toulmean> that's what I mean: restart Eclipse and run it from the terminal in Eclipse.app/MacOS/Contents/eclipse -clean
[19:14:03] <toulmean> if even that doesn't work...
[19:14:29] <the_alien> made just eclipse -clean without going into Eclipse.app
[19:15:05] <the_alien> from startuptime... it was equal
[19:15:42] <toulmean> ok I don't know what is happening
[19:15:48] <toulmean> sorry!
[19:17:21] <the_alien> what is exit code 139?
[19:18:01] <toulmean> aha
[19:18:04] <toulmean> 139 ?
[19:18:12] <the_alien> yeah
[19:18:21] <the_alien> <terminated, exit value: 139>
[19:18:56] <toulmean> I don't know what it means but that is nice to have finally something.
[19:19:04] <toulmean> and it should help
[19:19:46] <the_alien> if i could find something about it
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[19:22:32] <toulmean> the_alien: what are your vm parameters ?
[19:23:12] <toulmean> do you have a - in front of Xmx
[19:23:15] <toulmean> http://objectmix.com/java/160521-launching-eclipse-solaris.html
[19:23:15] <the_alien> in the run config: none
[19:23:20] <toulmean> this can help too
[19:23:28] <toulmean> see what your PATH is
[19:25:17] <toulmean> the_alien: ah, here is what you need
[19:25:18] <toulmean> http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=146119
[19:28:55] <toulmean> a bit more : http://rchandran.blogspot.com/
[19:31:28] <the_alien> i dont really get how this could help?
[19:31:46] <toulmean> it looks like a common problem, not really eclipse related.
[19:31:51] <the_alien> the netbeans bugzilla tells me about a bug in the apple java problem
[19:32:01] <the_alien> in the apple java envoirment
[19:32:06] <toulmean> It sounds like something widespread
[19:32:27] <the_alien> the blogspot link shows workarounds for netbeans and idea, but not eclipse
[19:32:34] <toulmean> contact Apple, I'd say
[19:32:35] <the_alien> even though, eclipse itself starts
[19:32:39] <toulmean> and open a bug
[19:32:43] <toulmean> yep.
[19:32:47] <toulmean> pretty sad.
[19:33:02] <toulmean> maybe something that can help you out.
[19:33:02] <the_alien> damn it :/
[19:33:12] <toulmean> since last week there is a new build for cocoa
[19:35:08] <the_alien> shouldnt it be available in the update manager then?
[19:35:43] <the_alien> and how did you come from exit code 139 to this links?
[19:36:44] <toulmean> I googled eclipse exit code 139
[19:36:55] <toulmean> here is the page with the cocoa early build
[19:36:56] <toulmean> http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/I20081211-0100/index.php
[19:37:03] <toulmean> you want the 64 bits one
[19:37:09] <toulmean> apparently it is ok, not stable yet
[19:37:33] <toulmean> http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/I20081211-0100/download.php?dropFile=eclipse-RCP-SDK-I20081211-0100-macosx-cocoa-x86_64.tar.gz
[19:37:48] <toulmean> just grab that stuff, and install more with the update manager
[19:41:41] <oisinh> sdrapeau: just added an amalgam build
[19:42:07] <sdrapeau> oisinh: great! :)
[19:42:18] <oisinh> sdrapeau: it only took 10 minutes :)
[19:43:13] <sdrapeau> congratulation!
[19:43:38] <sdrapeau> is it commited?
[19:43:46] <oisinh> yes
[19:44:40] <oisinh> ant -Dbase.directory=`pwd`/thebuild -Dproject.name=amalgam build build.site
[19:44:48] <oisinh> the key part is the -Dproject.name
[19:44:59] <oisinh> which switches the builder over to the amalgam. builder
[19:45:06] <oisinh> it defaults to sca-tools
[19:45:46] <the_alien> toulmean: Dec 11 19:46:39 tills-macbook com.apple.launchd[117] ([0x0-0x3db3db].org.eclipse.eclipse[2831]): posix_spawnp("/Users/till/Downloads/eclipse 2/Eclipse.app/Contents/MacOS/eclipse", ...): Permission denied
[19:46:24] <sdrapeau> oisinh: ok. I'll test it
[19:46:29] * oisinh is still fighting to get that JDOM plugin in there in the update site ....
[19:46:49] <toulmean> the_alien: no idea what the hell this is.
[19:47:02] <sdrapeau> oisinh: The amalgam build doesn't need JDOM
[19:47:03] * oisinh was sure that this used to work before
[19:47:43] <oisinh> sdrapeau:  that's ok - it just pulls in everything that the amalgam feature includes
[19:48:02] <oisinh> sdrapeau:  there may be some more features that are required? not sure - I took the feature list from the updatesite project
[19:49:22] <oisinh> the_alien:  try doing a diskutil repairPermissions
[19:51:24] <toulmean> the_alien: oisinh has a good mileage on mac os.
[19:52:40] <the_alien> oisinh: from console?
[19:52:43] <the_alien> terminal
[19:53:24] <toulmean> more like Disk Utility ?
[19:53:33] <oisinh> the_alien:  yeah from terminal or you can also do it from DiskUtil.app too - both do the same thing
[19:53:43] <oisinh> the_alien: whatever you are most comfortable with....
[19:53:46] <the_alien> started it from terminal
[19:54:00] <oisinh> oisinh: can take a while to run....
[19:54:02] <the_alien> we'll see
[19:54:12] <the_alien> talk to yourself ;)
[19:54:40] <sdrapeau> oisinh: you're right. The amalgam feature provides only the SCA designer. So, it contains only plugins that are dependencies to EMF and GMF (no JDT, ...)
[19:55:25] <sdrapeau> are -> have dependencies
[20:00:47] <the_alien> oisinh: doesnt help
[20:01:07] <oisinh> the_alien:  sorry to hear that :(
[20:01:22] <the_alien> cant execute the bpmn modeler from within eclipse
[20:01:27] <the_alien> cant execute the new build
[20:01:29] <the_alien> *sigh*
[20:04:43] <the_alien> i should contact apple support i guess
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[23:21:37] <toulmean> oisinh: I have way too many issues with installing buildr.
[23:21:56] <toulmean> I installed jruby sooner today but now it fails, and I don't like the way it complains.
[23:22:09] <toulmean> it sounds like I would need to install a sun jdk
[23:22:15] <toulmean> does that sound like a problem ?
[23:22:26] <oisinh> toulmean:  I don't know if that will be an issue.
[23:22:32] <oisinh> toulmean:  it *might* be
[23:22:38] <toulmean> paul Webster just told me he cannot install it or touch it himself.
[23:22:49] <toulmean> as IBMers have some rules for that
[23:22:50] <oisinh> toulmean:  and why was that?
[23:23:02] <toulmean> however it is not a problem for him otherwise.
[23:23:08] <oisinh> who's paul webster?
[23:23:15] <toulmean> a platform dude
[23:23:21] <toulmean> who spends time on eclipse-dev
[23:23:24] <oisinh> ok
[23:23:35] <toulmean> a nice place to hang out for core commiters, I can ask those questions there.
[23:24:35] <oisinh> do you want to put a sun jdk onto /shared/stp/apps ?
[23:24:57] <oisinh> try it out and if anyone causes issues we'll deal with it  then ... :)
[23:25:28] <toulmean> yes, I'll put in a stp place to avoid friction
[23:25:29] <toulmean> thanks
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