December 9, 2013 
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Try doing that in e4[16:40:53] <lemmy> hio: sounds like apples and oranges to me. And then e4/platform is much more than HTML with CSS.[16:44:44] *** nbf_ has joined #eclipse-e4[16:44:55] *** nbf has quit IRC[16:44:55] *** nbf_ has quit IRC[16:45:18] *** nbf has joined #eclipse-e4[17:05:43] *** rcjsuen_ is now known as rcjsuen[17:15:32] <lemmy> hio: Also keep in mind that e4 (technically) is agnostic to the GUI library used. You might as well exchange the SWT renderer with one that uses HTML/CSS.[17:16:47] <hio> well I really doubt that, I can't even change the swt version being used because require-bundle is used instead of import-bundle, I would need to change the manifest file in each used jar which is importing with require-bundle: [specific-version][17:28:30] <hio> also if p2 is so great, why isn't it used by every linux distribution instead of their package tools for rpm[17:31:09] <lemmy> hio: Using a different renderer is supported by e4, whereas downgrading to an older SWT version is not. Again, apples and oranges.[17:31:29] <hio> an older version IS a different renderer[17:31:59] <lemmy> hio: No. You obviously do not know what an e4 renderer is.[17:32:29] <hio> i know that swt is one and an older version of swt therefore is a different one[17:32:47] <lemmy> SWT is not the renderer, it's the UI library.[17:33:10] <hio> ok so why use osgi at all if all its advantages are not being used?[17:34:26] *** fsteeg_ has quit IRC[17:34:40] <lemmy> We do you OSGi's advantages. Anyway, I'm not going to argue with you here as you are obviously frustrated right now. You should have directed this energy towards learning e4/OSGi though.[17:35:08] <hio> I already know it perfectly[17:47:39] *** pelder has quit IRC[17:47:40] *** hendrikstill has quit IRC[17:49:15] *** pelder has joined #eclipse-e4[17:50:01] <lemmy> sure[17:56:12] <hio> ask me anything[18:00:17] <hio> Ok I have to go for today, I think we proved something here[18:00:20] *** pelder has quit IRC[18:01:19] *** drolka has left #eclipse-e4[18:06:32] *** hio has quit IRC[18:20:04] *** tomschindl has quit IRC[18:23:33] *** fsteeg has joined #eclipse-e4[18:27:58] *** tomschindl has joined #eclipse-e4[18:45:45] *** hendrikstill has joined #eclipse-e4[18:49:39] <paulweb515> emoffatt: is ~412479 done with Wojtek's last patch? If so, could you mark it fixed?[19:11:24] <nbf> lol[19:14:03] *** hendrikstill has quit IRC[19:16:04] *** hendrikstill has joined #eclipse-e4[19:17:34] *** tomschindl has quit IRC[19:23:08] <emoffatt> paulweb515: haven't looked yet, still trying to get the commands part of split editors in....I'll take a look[19:27:14] *** tomschindl has joined #eclipse-e4[19:30:20] *** Arbalest has joined #eclipse-e4[19:46:07] <emoffatt> paulweb515: looks ok, I'll check the DnD mechanics tomorrow..[19:50:48] <paulweb515> emoffatt: so it's fixed, and we need to verify on test day tomorrow?[19:51:11] <emoffatt> yep, that's the plan stan :)[19:52:21] <emoffatt> paulweb515: I was trying to use the current 'New Editor' implementation as the basis for my new commands but I'm lost...[19:52:56] <emoffatt> should I just go ahead and place the new ones with the Command def in platform.ui and the rest in ui.workbench ?[19:54:33] <emoffatt> NewEditorAction is an action with an ActionFactory and all sorts of other stuff...do you have an example of where *we've* added a (parameterized?) command into the IDE ?[19:55:31] <paulweb515> in o.e.ui[19:55:32] <paulweb515> just a sec[19:56:55] <paulweb515> emoffatt: http://git.eclipse.org/c/platform/eclipse.platform.ui.git/tree/bundles/org.eclipse.ui/plugin.xml#n1186[19:59:27] <paulweb515> emoffatt: the handler just asks for the parameter from the event:[19:59:28] <paulweb515> final Map parameters = event.getParameters();[19:59:28] <paulweb515> final Object value = parameters[19:59:28] <paulweb515> .get(IWorkbenchCommandConstants.VIEWS_SHOW_VIEW_PARM_ID);[19:59:49] <paulweb515> emoffatt: also, if you don't define in converters or values, it's just a string[19:59:57] <emoffatt> got that part working (thanks to Lars..;-)[20:00:50] <emoffatt> it was more on where to place the various extensions...Command in 'ui' and then handlers & menu/tb defs and keybindings in workbench correct ?[20:01:11] <paulweb515> yes, that's good[20:01:36] <paulweb515> emoffatt: The showView example I picked works the same way[20:01:53] <emoffatt> kk, since I'm using it as an example of a good pattern at EclipseCon I wanted to get it 'good' :)[20:02:20] <emoffatt> beauty, I'll copy it's structure[20:02:45] *** bsd has quit IRC[20:15:47] <emoffatt> paulweb515: am I looking at the right plugin.xml ? C:\git\eclipse.platform.ui\bundles\org.eclipse.ui.workbench\plugin.xml[20:15:58] <emoffatt> it seems awfully small...[20:16:12] <emoffatt> or is that just because we don't use many commnds ?[20:19:36] <paulweb515> emoffatt: you want bundles\org.eclipse.ui\plugin.xml[20:19:46] <paulweb515> emoffatt: you're right, we put almost nothing in the ui.workbench/plugin.xml[20:20:51] <emoffatt> my question is whether I should add everything into ui or split the command def and the handler / menu / tb stuff in ui.workbench[20:21:40] <emoffatt> paulweb515: I'm good with either...[20:25:03] *** hendrikstill has quit IRC[20:25:38] <paulweb515> It's ok to split them up. Put the definition in org.eclipse.ui and the actual handler in o.e.ui.workbench[20:32:10] <emoffatt> kk ty[20:35:04] *** hendrikstill has joined #eclipse-e4[20:49:35] *** tomschindl has quit IRC[21:15:09] *** bsd has joined #eclipse-e4[21:21:15] *** emoffatt has quit IRC[21:31:43] *** hendrikstill has quit IRC[21:32:26] *** hendrikstill has joined #eclipse-e4[21:38:26] *** bsd has quit IRC[21:38:41] *** bsd has joined #eclipse-e4[21:45:29] *** bsd has quit IRC[22:03:17] *** fsteeg_ has joined #eclipse-e4[22:05:09] *** fsteeg has quit IRC[22:05:10] *** fsteeg_ is now known as fsteeg[22:16:02] *** bsd has joined #eclipse-e4[22:20:43] *** bsd has quit IRC[22:28:40] *** vogella has joined #eclipse-e4[22:29:12] <vogella> paulweb515, any change that you review the png file change before the next M-freeze?[22:29:20] <vogella> ~422040[22:29:20] <Arbalest> Bug 422040 - http://bugs.eclipse.org/422040 - Platform / UI / 4.3 - PC / Linux - NEW / / normal / - Assignee: Lars.Vogel - [Graphics] Switch org.eclipse.ui plug-in to use png files instead of gifs[22:51:55] <paulweb515> vogella: you mean today?[22:56:27] <vogella> paulweb515, is today the last day for M4?[22:57:24] <paulweb515> yes[22:57:32] <paulweb515> tomrrow is the all day test day[22:58:52] <paulweb515> vogella: wednesday, we're allowed to fix serious bugs that show up in Tuesday testing[23:01:14] <vogella> paulweb515, didn't know. I would like to have the png file in M4 if possible. If other projects refer to the gifs directly, they would clean up there reference and we could potentially remove the gifs in M5. At least in theory.[23:01:39] <paulweb515> I think I can still get the PNGs into M4, I'm looking at it now[23:03:25] <vogella> paulweb515, thanks. It is getting late here, but I stay up a while longer in case I should do an adjustment.[23:09:25] <paulweb515> vogella: you'll have to determine if the changes work for you, but I've released them[23:10:52] <vogella> paulweb515, thanks a lot! With determine if the changes work you mean I should test the change tomorrow and set the bug to verify if everything works for me, right?[23:11:31] <paulweb515> yes, generally[23:13:34] *** hendrikstill has quit IRC[23:14:07] <vogella> paulweb515, will do. Thanks again.[23:16:56] *** bsd has joined #eclipse-e4[23:22:38] *** bsd has quit IRC[23:22:45] *** bsd has joined #eclipse-e4[23:25:05] *** bsd has quit IRC[23:58:59] *** vogella has quit IRC