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[01:28:38] <pombreda> hey benny`work :-)
[01:29:25] <pombreda> benny`work:  would you  know any better way way to do that: http://www.eclipse.org/articles/Article-Mutatis-mutandis/overlay-pages.html ? no new apis in 3.3 for that? or something somewhere ?
[01:31:40] <benny`work> pombreda, sorry i think you know more about preferences pages than I know ;) atm i'm concentrating on other stuff like rap and jdt ;)
[01:31:55] <pombreda> :-P
[01:33:06] <benny`work> and just implementing a brainfuck ide with eclipse :D
[01:36:09] <pombreda> benny`work: ?
[01:36:24] <benny`work> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck#Hello_World.21
[01:36:24] <pombreda> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck ?
[01:36:29] <pombreda> LOL
[01:36:33] <benny`work> ;)
[01:36:59] <benny`work> will publish two articles about the launcher and debug framework for the next eclipse mag and i needed a sample implementation of a debugger ;)
[01:37:18] <pombreda> benny`work: dude you have time to waste :-P on that language?
[01:37:53] <benny`work> pombreda, yep...need to annoy the readers ;)
[01:38:02] <pombreda> LOL
[01:38:07] <benny`work> pombreda, debug framework alone is not complex enough :D :D
[01:38:16] <pombreda> well so you say
[01:38:25] <benny`work> just joking :)
[01:38:38] <pombreda> benny`work: there are stuff to do on atf debug for javascripts eval, if you fancy it, ...
[01:38:57] <pombreda> benny`work: and that would quickly earn you committership, I guess :-P
[01:39:27] <benny`work> pombreda, i like atf and jsdt...but as long as it relies on webtools i will not give you a line of code :d
[01:40:00] <pombreda> benny`work: why is that?
[01:40:15] <pombreda> atf does not rely on web tools in particular, especially for debugging
[01:40:26] <pombreda> only plug is in source lookup afaik
[01:40:27] <benny`work> pombreda, but it brings webtools as dependency
[01:40:49] <pombreda> so what? you could have the debugger without it.
[01:41:02] <pombreda> benny`work: and only the wst part
[01:41:19] <pombreda> jsdt has no dep on web tools except for html/jsp integration
[01:41:32] <pombreda> benny`work: your wild statements always amuse me :-D
[01:41:41] <benny`work> pombreda, i will take a look again at atf...last time i tried it i crashed by X (i think xpcom stuff was the problem)...
[01:42:02] <pombreda> :-)
[01:42:46] <benny`work> but not before februrary...first rap, than articles, then book, then other stuff, week vacation which i really need and then i've some time again ;)
[01:44:37] <pombreda> hehe
[01:46:12] <benny`work> in the last days i just remembered back a year ago or so as i started hacking eclipse...never thought i would be involved in a way like this..
[01:49:01] <pombreda> benny`work: :-)
[02:22:11] <supergreg> atf.. wasnt that supposed to be renamed? :) Anyways, is there a "get started" instruction for it somewhere?
[02:25:12] <pombreda> supergreg: yes, the renaming is not final yet.
[02:25:19] <pombreda> as for getting started... let me check
[02:25:47] <pombreda> supergreg: there are a bunch of demos on the home page : http://www.eclipse.org/atf/
[02:25:54] <pombreda> I shoud,l know better as I am a committer :-D
[02:26:14] <pombreda> supergreg: I'll soon put it in easyeclipse too
[02:26:42] <benny`work> pombreda, btw: what's up with ve? any progress or just an initial cry for help?
[02:27:15] <pombreda> super: it is ready in CVS: http://easyeclipse.cvs.sourceforge.net/easyeclipse/easyeclipse/easyeclipse/org.nexb.easyeclipse.releng/repository/components/eclipse-wtp-atf.xml?revision=1.5.4.3&view=markup&pathrev=BRANCH_ECLIPSE_331_RELENG_OVERLAY
[02:27:37] <pombreda> benny`work: I was sick for a few weeks, and I have been catching up on the last couple weeks.
[02:27:44] <pombreda> back in the game now
[02:27:52] <pombreda> benny`work: not just an initial cry for help
[02:27:53] <benny`work> pombreda, ok
[02:27:56] <pombreda> we are bringing new committers
[02:28:07] <pombreda> and will have an official build as planned for the end of the year
[02:28:13] <benny`work> cool
[02:28:28] <pombreda> benny`work: and very nice extensions to visually edit non-java stuffs
[02:28:34] <pombreda> like things persisted as xml
[02:28:46] <benny`work> pombreda, cool stuff
[02:28:54] <benny`work> pombreda, i'll check it out
[02:29:39] <pombreda> I am starting an official incubator under tools for that
[02:29:47] <pombreda> benny`work: what a pain
[02:30:33] <pombreda> supergreg: we already have the component for building atf in easyeclipse there http://easyeclipse.cvs.sourceforge.net/easyeclipse/easyeclipse/easyeclipse/org.nexb.easyeclipse.releng/repository/components/eclipse-wtp-atf.xml?revision=1.5.4.3&view=markup&pathrev=BRANCH_ECLIPSE_331_RELENG_OVERLAY
[02:30:47] <pombreda> supergreg: btw, you could build it yourself too someday
[02:30:54] <pombreda> we have nicely documented the build now :-P
[02:31:33] <pombreda> supergreg: http://easyeclipse.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/easyeclipse/easyeclipse/easyeclipse/org.nexb.easyeclipse.releng/readme.html?revision=1.6
[02:34:01] <supergreg> I never built anything on my own, it seems a bit overwhelming, but thanks, will read
[02:37:05] <pombreda> supergreg: no need to :-P but if somedfay you want to build your own plugins :-P
[02:38:25] <supergreg> can I download atf-incubation-wst-all-in-one and that will contain all I need to get atf running?
[02:42:12] <pombreda> supergreg: yes, that is the idea :-P
[02:42:27] <pombreda> just unzip and run
[02:42:46] <pombreda> supergreg: it contains ATF, a full eclipse + all deps
[02:43:19] <supergreg> ok thanks. and if I wanted to just add atf to my easyeclipse?
[02:44:45] <pombreda> supergreg: well......
[02:44:52] <pombreda> humm let me think a sec
[02:46:44] <pombreda> supergreg: which os do you run?
[02:46:50] <supergreg> xp
[02:46:58] <pombreda> supergreg: which version of easyeclipse?
[02:47:10] <supergreg> php 1.2.2
[02:47:28] <supergreg> but with java and cdt plugins, its getting huge :P
[02:47:59] <pombreda> supergreg: not at the moment. I need to release the php 1.30 first. and we need to get a stable phpeclipse first on eclipse 3.3... which is almost there
[02:48:22] <pombreda> supergreg: get a taste of atf for now using the atf all in one :-P
[02:48:29] <supergreg> cool, when its free its never urgent :))
[02:48:38] <pombreda> supergreg: or lese you are going to get some install troubles
[02:48:48] <supergreg> yeah, will test it from a separate folder
[02:49:01] <pombreda> supergreg: well there are a lotsa cool new stuffs coming in the 1.3 version
[02:49:05] <supergreg> how does phpeclipse relate to pdt?
[02:49:20] <pombreda> supergreg: two completely sperate projects
[02:49:29] <pombreda> supergreg: no relations
[02:49:52] <pombreda> pdt is zend supported , which then builds commercial products on top. phpeclipse is community supported :-Pp
[02:50:18] <supergreg> wikipedia states pdt is the new, better one, while phpeclipse was left without active development or some bullmaneur like that
[02:50:29] <pombreda> supergreg: bullshit
[02:50:47] <pombreda> supergreg: now that would be a conflict of interest if I where to edit that wikipedia page
[02:50:56] <pombreda> supergreg: feel free to do it
[02:51:14] <pombreda> supergreg: what a freaking FUD from teh PDT folsk .
[02:51:21] <pombreda> supergreg: url ?
[02:51:30] <supergreg> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHP_Development_Tools
[02:52:11] <supergreg> but that was less friendly typed out last time I read it
[02:52:46] <pombreda> supergreg: and it is in the past. and all BS
[02:52:51] <pombreda> the past tense
[02:58:36] <supergreg> yeah, the way its written now leaves a bad taste, I could try to expand it a bit, although I feel I lack some insight and facts. I don't know much about either project
[03:01:07] <pombreda> supergreg: that's fine. I just added a comment on the talk page. But as being a co-lead on phpeclipse I cannot ethically edit that.
[03:01:18] <pombreda> that would be violating wikipedia's etiquette
[03:01:22] <supergreg> pombreda: I'm off to bed, thanks for being helpful, as always. Leave me some facts and I can try to make an edit to make that wiki article a little less biased
[03:01:26] <pombreda> :-)
[03:01:35] <pombreda> supergreg: sweet dreams :-P
[03:03:20] <supergreg> thanks, and yes, I am eagerly awaiting the new EE php release for 3.3 :D
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