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[00:06:26] <hirogen> hi
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[00:11:20] <hirogen> so when we move users to windows 10 , xendesktop non persistent, every 7 days, also we wont be allowing local admin rights, how the devil do you install Adobe Creative cloud, i believe the licence users have it running  currenlty on windows 7 on some sort of hybrid machine, will find out more on wednesday when we visit them!
[00:12:12] <hirogen> so going forward I dont see how you can even stream adobe cc via APPv cos it would be too slow surely even with good infrastructure, but how can u install it over citrix when we will have 7 day non persistent machines
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[00:31:54] <hirogen> http://renshollanders.nl/2017/02/activating-adobe-acrobat-in-a-non-persistent-environment/
[01:00:33] <citrixslackbot1> <chaitanyakgutala> Hi
[01:01:39] <citrixslackbot1> <chaitanyakgutala> When you say non persistent, you mean are they provisioned via pvs? if yes, install it on pvs master image and reboot all the devices..
[01:09:48] <hirogen> YES
[01:09:55] <hirogen> oh
[01:10:05] <hirogen> oh him
[01:10:06] <hirogen> oops
[01:10:07] <hirogen> bye
[01:10:11] <hirogen> nite all
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[13:40:08] <gryffus> Hello, i would like to ask if Linux RPM-based clients are supported to connect to Citrix Netscaler Gateway? I am getting download only for a deb, and i was not able to find even this deb in Citrix download section on citrix.com. Any clues?
[13:40:43] <gryffus> s/clients/distributions
[13:52:05] <WyW> gryffus: are you using SSL VPN or connecting to the published applications in Citrix?
[13:53:02] <gryffus> WyW: Both, but mainly i need the VPN functionality
[13:53:12] <WyW> gryffus: for the SSL VPN it seems that Ubuntu is supported, but not sure about other distros
[13:53:15] <WyW> https://docs.citrix.com/en-us/netscaler-gateway/12/system-requirements/plugin-system-requirements.html
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[13:55:00] <gryffus> WyW: Hmm and are the packages available somewhere on Citrix portal? Or are they only in the firmwares? I would like to try to convert the .deb to RPM and try it... I assume, that the source code for the client part is not open sourced?
[13:55:20] <WyW> gryffus: just checked and the client packages are included with the firmware
[13:55:27] <WyW> no separate dl's
[13:55:43] <gryffus> Pfff :/
[13:56:00] <gryffus> WyW: Ok, thanks... I will try to convert it to rpm with alien
[13:56:08] <WyW> I think you just need to get that .deb converted
[13:56:59] <gryffus> WyW: yeah, and get all the deps in correct versions
[13:57:01] <WyW> gryffus: doesn't seem too promising though.. https://www.reddit.com/r/Citrix/comments/4gi7vd/netscaler_vpn_client_in_rhelcentos/
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[14:42:35] <Sm4> does adding intranet applications to vpn with hostname require some extra setting to get it working? from what i could gather from the documentation vpn clients should resolve hostnames to ip addresses when they connect, but i don't see any relevant ones appearing in the routing table
[14:46:42] <WyW> Sm4, the routes are not visible in the local client routing table
[14:47:02] <WyW> the best way to check what goes in to the tunnel is check from the GW client
[14:47:08] <WyW> (in my opinion)
[15:07:21] <tabularasa> morning peeps
[15:08:59] <Biny> morn
[15:09:03] <Biny> freezing rain \o/
[15:12:17] <tabularasa> that sucks.
[15:13:55] <tabularasa> it's like 65 here
[15:16:03] <WyW> was about -4F in Finland this morning
[15:16:37] <tabularasa> that sounds terrible
[15:16:45] <WyW> http://80skiparty.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/best-do-you-boo-boo-meme-oh-boo-hoo-poor-me-do-you-boo-boo-meme.jpg
[15:16:48] <WyW> not all that bad actually
[15:17:00] <WyW> sun is shining and it's a perfect winter day
[15:17:26] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> If only we could move to slack, we could have an app showing local weather reports…
[15:17:27] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> ;)
[15:17:31] <tabularasa> lol
[15:17:47] <tabularasa> NEVAR!
[15:18:24] <tabularasa> http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?t=121122
[15:18:33] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> https://goo.gl/images/m2gVWQ
[15:18:36] <WyW> I'm using slack for work kbaggerman... I could join, instructions?
[15:18:57] <WyW> tabularasa: :D
[15:19:01] <tabularasa> :)
[15:19:08] <WyW> spot on
[15:19:23] <tabularasa> always is.  love xkcd
[15:19:27] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> Add another team to your SLack app: CitrixIrc.slack.com
[15:19:36] <WyW> tabularasa: it's awesome, I agree
[15:21:32] <WyW> apparently I need an invite for that Slack workspace?
[15:24:02] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> @jariangibson, can you fix that?
[15:25:46] <citrixslackbot1> <jariangibson> https://slack.citrixirc.com
[15:26:06] <citrixslackbot1> <jariangibson> Need to fix ssl cert but that will allow you to get invite and auto join.
[15:31:36] <WyW> JarianGibson: that's cool
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[15:37:18] <citrixslackbot1> <jariangibson> Yep very handy. Something I found that someone created using api
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[15:42:11] <gryffus> WyW: It works, i have working Netscaler Gateway on openSUSE
[15:42:51] <WyW> JarianGibson: ... only thing that I never got the invitation
[16:17:29] <Sm4> WyW: checked the client debug logs. when i try to browse the intranet application i see a dns query but no information on a tunnel after that. also from the start of a client connection to netscaler the log shows multiple "ns_add_cfgdomainips" for the intranet applications i've set up, but no information on the client trying to resolve their addresses.
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[17:03:38] <zer0trust> Anyone using MAS with CPX instances? I'm having trouble adding a Photon docker host to MAS for some reason. It just says the Docker host is unreachable (despite being able to telnet to the Docker remote API port when SSH'd into the MAS virtual machine and browse to the http://ip_of_docker_host:2375/info page for the remote API from a machine on the same L2 segment).
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[17:05:23] <zer0trust> Photon v2.0 and MAS 12.0 56.20, if that is relevant.
[17:58:27] <PocketKnife> hi guys - for StoreFront and Netscaler, how can i give the user the ability to change the resolution? Right now, one app is forcing 800x600 at a client and they cannot get any larger like CSG  thank you
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[19:11:45] <citrixslackbot1> <simpro> Hey guys.. silly question. Which NetScaler VPX platform should we use for Nutanix Acropolis?
[19:19:48] <SuicideJ4ck> VPX for KVM
[19:21:32] <SuicideJ4ck> Kees has an article on deploying netscaler 11
[19:21:42] <SuicideJ4ck> http://blog.myvirtualvision.com/2015/11/25/how-to-deploy-citrix-netscaler-vpx-on-nutanix-ahv/
[19:22:28] * BobFrankly mentally notes that acropolis is one vertical line away from acrapolis
[19:22:50] <SuicideJ4ck> lol
[19:23:11] <SuicideJ4ck> looks like version 12 works as well
[19:23:20] <SuicideJ4ck> https://dreadysblog.wordpress.com/2017/05/07/deploying-citrix-netscaler-on-nutanix-ahv/
[19:24:36] <SuicideJ4ck> I just finished up a nutanix POC and wasn't as impressed as I thought I would be
[19:24:51] <BobFrankly> nutanix was VERY impressive to me
[19:24:54] <Moxified> Really?  What was your use case.
[19:25:06] <BobFrankly> the price impressed us right out of the room
[19:25:11] <SuicideJ4ck> vdi for higher ed.
[19:25:33] <Moxified> huh.  I feel like VDI is where it really shines.  Were you doing dedicated machines or something?
[19:26:16] <Moxified> and yes.. BobFrankly it is way overpriced in general.
[19:26:17] <SuicideJ4ck> I tested non-persistent MCS win10 VMs
[19:26:25] <SuicideJ4ck> it was running on 3 year old lenovo hardware
[19:27:17] <SuicideJ4ck> I liked the feature set but just don't feel like citrix integration is there yet.
[19:28:48] <SuicideJ4ck> we use PVS pretty heavily so switching back to MCS was a bit of a gear change
[19:29:29] <Moxified> We are MCS so that never was an issue.  We also run vsphere.
[19:32:25] <BobFrankly> PVS FTW
[19:36:18] <SuicideJ4ck> yeah. we mainly have cookie cutter non-persistent lab computers, so PVS is a great fit.
[19:40:33] <SuicideJ4ck> nutanix really shines on scalability and ease of use. and the gui is so awesome, everyone is copying it.(M$ Project Honolulu, and Cisco's Hyperflex Connect)
[19:41:01] <Moxified> I haven't looked at PVS since I originally stood our environment up years ago but MCS works great for us.  We only have about 140 machines.
[19:42:42] <SuicideJ4ck> everyone has there preference but I really like the way PVS handles versions and the speed you can switch between them
[19:43:53] <Moxified> I have no real experience there.  Takes me about 30 seconds to stand up a new base image though with MCS so... I should think that meets most people's demands for update timeframe.
[19:47:01] <SuicideJ4ck> that's pretty quick. ;) Is that deploying from a snapshot or through something like SCCM?
[19:47:12] <Moxified> snapshot.  VAAI FTW :)
[19:48:03] <Moxified> And I forgot about the preparation step... probably more like 1:30.  Takes about 10 seconds of my time and then it "churns" for about a minute and it's done.
[19:48:24] <Moxified> Obviously the VM's need to reboot when they are not in use but I wasn't counting that.
[19:51:45] <SuicideJ4ck> right. PVS requires a reboot as well. I just got hyperflex in running ESXi. My first experience with vcenter and I don't know if I can go back to xenserver.
[19:52:28] <Moxified> Yeah we migrated off of XS when we got a budget about 7 years ago.  I run XS at home for my lab... I don't miss it here.
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[20:12:20] <hirogen> couldnt sign into skype when i was the first to be moved to windows 10 on our project, account was enabled in office365, just says doesnt recognise username or password, tried the correct smpt address etc.. i dont even think its a skype issue, i bet the networks skype expert guy hasnt enabled udp or setup skype to work on the new citrix zen environment lol
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[20:25:08] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> Damnit, Nutanix discussions while I wasn’t here.
[20:26:08] <Moxified> lol, it didn't have much meat to it... one guy likes it, one guy didn't, another said it was expensive... that's about it :)
[20:26:08] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> I think the whole ‘PVS is quick in reverting back’ discussion is overrated (note: personal opinion here). If you need that quick revert option at all, you’ve got different issues
[20:26:59] <citrixslackbot1> <simpro> Nutanix works fine from a technical point of view. What I do hate is their commercial approach.
[20:27:09] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> That being said; I’ve tested both methods, from change to fully deployed desktop set. MCS beats PVS there
[20:27:24] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> Ok stepping back now, I’m Engineering :)
[20:28:52] <Moxified> I just feel MCS is much simpler for our smaller environment which I why I have stuck with it.  When I started with XD, it was right when they were saying MCS was replacing PVS so I figured start out with the replacement instead of have to migrate.
[20:29:18] <citrixslackbot1> <simpro> thats great @kbaggerman dont go to the dark side of the force.
[20:29:57] <citrixslackbot1> <simpro> I think PVS is a better option for XenApp than for VDI.
[20:30:27] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> I think the whole PVS and MCS discussion is boring and shouldn’t be our problem
[20:30:46] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> Citrix should fix this by integrating it into studio and make it wizard driven
[20:30:50] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> Problem solved
[20:30:58] <Moxified> isn't that mcs?
[20:31:20] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> MCS is fully integrated, PVS is still very much Ardence
[20:31:23] <BobFrankly> I think if you want to use it with physical machines, MCS is rulled out and PVS wins by default
[20:31:27] <citrixslackbot1> <simpro> If you use AppLayering, the MCS PVS problem really goes away.
[20:31:35] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> Physical??
[20:32:04] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> That’s about 1% of the environments I run into
[20:32:16] <citrixslackbot1> <simpro> I havent installed a Physical server (Windows or Linux) in years
[20:32:27] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> With the power of today’s servers nobody wants to do physical anymore, massive failure domains
[20:32:36] <BobFrankly> yeah, but it does make that choice easy when you run into it
[20:32:39] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> Unless you do Moonshot
[20:32:49] <BobFrankly> oh, not server, but client OS image
[20:33:05] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> And I’ll keep shut on my opinion of Moonshot
[20:33:22] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> Which was formed before I joined Nutanix btw
[20:33:53] <BobFrankly> you work for nutanix?
[20:34:49] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> :) Surprise!
[20:34:57] <citrixslackbot1> <simpro> Talking about HP, I'm involved on a Simplivity deployment for a XenDesktop environment. And so far they have had some issues, i'm starting to doubt about the product.
[20:35:00] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> Only for the last 4 years or so
[20:35:10] <BobFrankly> do you get paid any of that giant bag of money they ask customers for?
[20:35:12] <BobFrankly> :P
[20:35:20] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> Nah man, I’m Engineering
[20:37:11] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> @simpro I’ll ask one simple question: if you’re a HCI platform, would you write a reference architecture that describes a PVS setup with write cache to RAM?
[20:39:42] <|Atum|> @kbaggerman re: quick reverts, for me it isn't so much the "quick" rollback as it is the reliability in reporting in-use versions.  How to ensure a client is booted on XYZ snapshot in MCS is still a bit obtuse, especially given that 'reconfigure' events can be abandoned with little to no alerting out of the box for the admins
[20:39:45] <citrixslackbot1> <simpro> @kbaggerman It can be done, but to be honestly since using HCI IOPS haven'tt been an issue at least for VDI. Like I said earlier, we are using PVS (Off course with write cache to RAM :slightly_smiling_face: ) for XenApp.
[20:40:20] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> Write cache to RAM on any decent HCI platform is a risk
[20:40:30] <|Atum|> When MCS breaks, it breaks in a spectacular manner that the type of person who will benefit most ("I need it automagic") probably can't fix it.  Combine that with historically bad experiences with support taking ages to reach resolution, and PVS becomes a very easy repeatable recommendation
[20:40:44] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> Rolling MCS updates
[20:40:46] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> Done
[20:41:00] <|Atum|> That said, if/when MCS  gets tools for doing "basics" of troubleshooting, it will be the killer app no doubt.
[20:41:16] <|Atum|> Things like fixing UID of VM's is still a PIA 6+ years on.
[20:41:16] <citrixslackbot1> <simpro> Write cache to ram a risk? @kbaggerman can you elaborate on that?
[20:41:24] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> Oh and shadow clones is an amazing piece of tech :)
[20:42:01] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> Write cache to ram with overflow to disk, when you hit the overflow mechanism you’re basically punching your storage platform in the nuts
[20:42:31] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> Because the filter driver can’t keep up so degrades your perf on any underlying storage platform
[20:42:43] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> Same goes for the RAMIO feature btw
[20:42:43] <|Atum|> RE: RAM/cache -- assuming you're not traversing the RAM<-> Disk boundary again and again, you still need the storage properly sized ...
[20:43:50] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> Realistically you want 0-6ms storage latency for your XD/XA environment, any modern storage platform can deliver that (its the scale where it gets interesting tho)
[20:44:09] <|Atum|> [11:30:47]	citrixslackbot1	<kbaggerman> Citrix should fix this by integrating it into studio and make it wizard driven <-- Also this, 1000000%
[20:44:42] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> Cache to RAM was created for legacy platforms and to keep money in Citrix’s pockets
[20:45:07] <|Atum|> XDSW in PVS is a nice feature and all, but it is an absolute MESS in terms of what you need in requirements.  *4* different permission sets/authentication mechanisms if you use the 'create AD objs' option
[20:45:25] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> ‘No no, you can keep your old junk.. just add some RAM and buy XM/SF/Podio/Citrix Cloud instead’
[20:45:54] <|Atum|> Well to be fair kbaggerman it *is* crazy easy to pack a server with 768gb of RAM and still be CPU constrained and send all writes to RAM
[20:46:14] <|Atum|> Its really the feature that kills(killed?) atlantis ILIO
[20:46:22] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> 768 leaves you in an unbalanced state so that’s messed up anyway
[20:46:46] <|Atum|> that 256gb of RAM *can* be cheaper than storage arrays or HCI though
[20:46:48] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> Oh and XDSW is slow as... well slow
[20:46:54] <|Atum|> Yes, XDSW is slow :)
[20:47:04] <|Atum|> It does get the job done though
[20:47:11] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> Caped/opex
[20:47:22] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> I rather script Target VM creation
[20:47:29] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> Less painful than XDSW
[20:47:37] <|Atum|> If I'm doing more than 1000 I will use scripting
[20:47:41] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> *capex
[20:48:00] <|Atum|> at the very least I need to XDSW 1 VM to get my BDM partition (i hate that this still cant be done with the BDM creation utility)
[20:48:05] <citrixslackbot1> <simpro> Adding a couple of ram gigs to a VM is cheaper than upgrading the SAN or migrating to HCI in a budget constrained environment.
[20:48:24] <|Atum|> and before anyone says it -- yes you can creaet a partition using that utility ...but it makes the TSB one, not the monolithic one
[20:48:27] <|Atum|> :p
[20:48:49] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> Depends on what’s included in the costs
[20:49:07] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> Capex: yes.. opex over 5 year: probably not :)
[20:49:29] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> But both solutions have a fit somewhere
[20:49:33] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> It’s good to have options
[20:50:03] <|Atum|> How do you figure?  If you can offload 100% of writes to RAM, how does it change from day 1 vs day 1826>
[20:50:38] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> There’s so much within pvs that can be done to make it better, native image replication anyone?
[20:51:19] <|Atum|> Thats one of my main gripes with it, as much as I love PVS...is how Citrix largely sat on it for a decade doing nothing
[20:51:33] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> Kings of non-integration
[20:51:38] <|Atum|> I mean, they *BOUGHT* Melio for goodness sakes, why wasn't this fixed? :p
[20:51:46] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> Don’t get me wrong, I love most of their products
[20:51:48] <|Atum|> "LETS TRY TO SELL IT!" :)
[20:51:57] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> And I do see how their new strategy will work
[20:52:08] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> But VMware is stealing their lunch with IdM
[20:52:15] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> And Workspace One
[20:52:45] <citrixslackbot1> <simpro> which strategy?? the cloud
[20:52:57] <citrixslackbot1> <simpro> That thing is not working the way they say
[20:53:23] <citrixslackbot1> <simpro> we have a costumer trying to kill us, for putting the control plain on it.
[20:53:33] <citrixslackbot1> <simpro> customer *
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[20:54:46] <citrixslackbot1> <simpro> At least for sometime we will try to stay away from it citrix cloud.
[20:56:14] <|Atum|> Citrix cloud is actually pretty sweet.  Concept and execution works well IMO and the cloud connectors are solid.  Getting SMART CHECK is a very easy win and an easy stepping stone to cloud-based controllers
[20:56:36] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> RBAC...
[20:56:45] <|Atum|> Assuming it gets past the accounting stage I'm on board for that.  More time to actually troubleshoot their craplications as opposed to fighting the SQL team for XYZ requirement for backend and such
[20:56:55] <|Atum|> "Coming soon" I'm sure :)
[20:57:02] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> And ‘the cloud’ has been very.. immature
[20:57:29] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> Oh and being in Europe, Cloud is a sensitive topic. We do have regulation
[20:58:53] <citrixslackbot1> <simpro> @atum cloud idea is great when you are working on a CSP (for example our case)
[20:59:19] <citrixslackbot1> <simpro> The idea of not having to deal with multi tenancy sound great
[20:59:23] <|Atum|> I like how some of our customers are tied in now too -- they manage their own env, but since we've linked it all u pwith them, we can see their support case history and get the smartcheck results and stuff
[20:59:37] <|Atum|> Definitely onboard with that.
[21:00:14] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> Uhm, ‘not having to deal’ or ‘there’s no actual’ are 2 different things
[21:00:17] <|Atum|> Smartscale is also a huge win for one of our retail customers, really did deliver on that 'cut your cloud provisioning costs' as they use smartscale to spinup more XA during peak retail load
[21:00:37] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> My biggest ask here: what is Citrix solving with Citrix Cloud?
[21:00:56] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> Setting up infra is by far the easiest part of any setup/install
[21:01:04] <|Atum|> In my view: Reluctant teams who don't execute on their daily infra tasks (be it SQL, or the citrix controllers themselves)
[21:01:28] <BobFrankly> daily infra tasks?
[21:01:29] <|Atum|> kbaggerman: everry customer I've been to in 3.5 years of consulting has been behind due to "lack of time"
[21:01:50] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> LTSR fixed that
[21:01:52] <|Atum|> BobFrankly: everything from "your sql DBshould be backed up to" "making sure  storefront profiles get cleaned up"
[21:02:03] <|Atum|> LTSR doesnt fix that you should be applying CU's
[21:02:06] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> ‘Here, old stable junk. Keep it running’
[21:02:20] <|Atum|> LTSR doesn't fix SQL admins screwing up AOAG permissions not being on all nodes
[21:02:28] <|Atum|> LTSR doesnt fix an accounting dept. that wont let you buy more instances :)
[21:02:32] <|Atum|> (of sql)
[21:02:45] <|Atum|> sure not everyone has these challenges, but they are real and ive seen them at a number of customers
[21:03:03] <citrixslackbot1> <kbaggerman> You’re just being a single man version of Waldorf/Stettler
[21:03:09] <BobFrankly> it's all in VMware, someone else deals with backups, including the SQ
[21:03:15] <BobFrankly> *SQL server
[21:03:35] <|Atum|> "The citrix team"  morphed from "I log off sessions due to craplications" into "I have to learn FMA // I can't work on my apps anymore" (Not saynig this is valid, FMA is silly easy to learn IMO)
[21:03:41] <|Atum|> nor do youneed to get very much depth with it
[21:04:01] <|Atum|> but there are loads of "citrix people" who are afraid of "the future" (despite 7.x having been out for ages now)
[21:04:32] <|Atum|> I think the cloud bits definitely help offload those basics from folks who -- honestly -- probably wouldnt be picking them up ayn time soon
[21:19:30] <tabularasa> man, 7.x rules over all
[21:54:00] <|Atum|> ^-- Concur, but, what drove you to this conclusion?
[22:06:11] <uncon> |Atum|: don't know you? newer is _always_ better!
[22:07:16] <tabularasa> just experience with 3.0 and up.
[22:15:55] <hirogen> appsense is applying policy slowly on our windows 10 machines.. new everything.. any ideas why had to log out and back on a few times lol
[22:16:07] <hirogen> to get things liek folder rediretion working and shortcuts to reappear
[22:43:13] <|Atum|> uncon: lol :-)
[22:43:17] <|Atum|> <3
[22:43:40] <|Atum|> hirogen: welcome back friend :D
[22:44:06] <|Atum|> Appsense EM settings applying slowly, or PM settings applying slowly?
[22:44:25] <|Atum|> Environment manager 'should' be speedy.  Profile management gets hairy as people can do all sorts of things to make it slow :-p
[22:53:05] <hirogen> hi
[22:53:27] <hirogen> it was strange we've literally only moved a few ppl to win 10 including me
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[22:53:54] <hirogen> oh ok
[22:54:05] <hirogen> well this is a brand new server/citrix environment
[22:54:11] <hirogen> so must be something
[22:54:14] <hirogen> not network related
[22:54:33] <hirogen> dunno about em or pm
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