February 13, 2018 
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<alazare619!uid194739@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xeywdehaqykeevzh> has joined #Citrix[13:04:57] *** test <test!94c62946@gateway/web/freenode/ip.148.198.41.70> has joined #Citrix[13:05:20] *** test is now known as Guest37045[13:05:40] <Guest37045> test[13:06:15] *** Guest37045 <Guest37045!94c62946@gateway/web/freenode/ip.148.198.41.70> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[13:41:04] *** GenteelBen <GenteelBen!~GenteelBe@cpc111801-lutn14-2-0-cust55.9-3.cable.virginm.net> has joined #Citrix[15:15:04] <tabularasa> morning peeps[15:18:10] <Biny> 'morn[15:20:17] *** David62277 <David62277!~David6227@cpe-71-71-38-111.triad.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[15:43:20] <steeb`> I have about 200 computers I want to turn into a "thin client" to use citrix on. Anyone have any articles or guides? I want to lock down and restrict the computer as much as possible from these call center users[15:48:47] <Biny> steeb`: are they windows machines?[15:48:54] <steeb`> Yeah[15:48:57] <steeb`> win7 and win 10[15:49:12] <Biny> there's a explorer.exe shell you can rpelace[15:49:16] <Biny> that will load the webpage of your choice[15:49:21] <Biny> umm thinking of name[15:49:23] <Biny> andrew morgan made it[15:49:50] <Biny> http://andrewmorgan.ie/2013/09/announcing-the-thinkiosk-v4-release/[15:50:19] <Lucasje> it's no longer free though, but by far the best product out there[15:50:37] <Biny> right, but you could get by with the old version if you dont care oto much about it after deployment[15:50:46] <Lucasje> centralized mgmt + a lot of controls to make life easier[15:51:10] <Lucasje> if you really have 0 need for your users to control anything (displays, reboot etc. ) you can also take a look at https://www.citrix.com/downloads/citrix-receiver/additional-client-software/receiver-desktop-lock-410.html[15:51:22] <Lucasje> but +1 for thinkiosk in a scenario like that[15:53:13] <Biny> iirc thinkiosk has a up to _x_ terminals free model s well[15:59:03] <Moxified> We use TK for our fat terminals and it works very well. It is free with some limitations.. don't remember the details. But it's pretty cheap even for the paid version.[16:06:56] <steeb`> hmm[16:06:58] <steeb`> excellent[16:07:04] <steeb`> ill check out both options[16:15:29] *** hateball <hateball!~quassel@unaffiliated/hateball> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:29:14] <steeb`> For desktop lock, it says in the documentation > Lock are not supported when you upgrade to Citrix Receiver for Windows 4.2 or later.[16:29:25] <steeb`> so 14.9 is LTSR is not supported?[16:30:49] <steeb`> nevermind[16:30:59] <steeb`> the documentation is jacked, the main site says it supports 4.10[16:31:13] <steeb`> New features in this release[16:31:13] <steeb`> Enables use of Receiver 4.10 for Windows features[16:31:20] <Moxified> what, ctx docs jacked? NO![16:31:27] <steeb`> i know.. shocking[16:31:38] <steeb`> there are no bugs[16:31:43] <steeb`> and documentation is perfect[16:31:55] <Moxified> lol[16:33:10] <steeb`> then the documentation says reference this article[16:33:11] <steeb`> https://docs.citrix.com/en-us/receiver/windows/current-release/install/receiver-windows-cfg-command-line-42.html[16:33:20] <steeb`> oh wait...[16:34:18] *** aTypical <aTypical!~aTypical@4.7.28.206> has joined #Citrix[16:34:45] <steeb`> citrix documentation is like a drunken road trip on a stormy night on a dirt road in the middle of Utah.[16:35:39] <Moxified> heh. Cisco docs are like that. I had a doc on expressway that linked back and forth in the same doc like 10 times to set it up.[16:38:32] <Biny> so we hired a consultant to come in and go through our infrastructure and provide recommendations, etc. he doesn't understand citrix infrastructure at all.[16:38:41] <Biny> we have 10/100 daisy chained phones at most thin client locations[16:38:59] <Biny> he's recommending $350k in infrastructure upgrades to get a dedicated network pull to each desk, and all gigabit switches[16:41:22] <AnotherCTXadm> Biny, tell him to make sure its fiber to each desk[16:43:09] <Biny> heh yeah i know right[16:43:20] <Biny> i want to replace my cisco 2960's that are EOL that only house workstation connections[16:43:36] <Biny> i quoted out some unifi switches for 4k to do it all[16:43:50] <Biny> he came back and said i should do all gigabit switches, with stacking and smartnet[16:44:11] <Biny> then after i told him that's overkill, i mentioned that all the phones are 100mb and the workstation shares the connection to them[16:44:21] <Biny> to which he said we need to run a data run to each desk and make sure it goes back to gigabit[16:44:40] <Biny> which means now buying 16 switches as well as the cost to run data[16:44:48] <Biny> and hes very angry i'm challenging him on it[16:52:25] <nikade> to be honest you should segmentate data and sip, we noticed that quality on sip was improved pretty much[16:52:38] <nikade> all tho our sip-network is only 100mbit, while data is gig[16:57:09] <Moxified> Biny, he shouldn't be... a, you're the customer and b, you're right in this situation.[16:59:09] <Moxified> Unifi supports voice and data vlans on same ports so you can do that too if you want. I agree with nikade that you should.[17:00:19] *** newbie1998 <newbie1998!60411009@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.65.16.9> has joined #Citrix[17:01:35] <newbie1998> GM[17:03:56] *** mOOse_77 <mOOse_77!~moose_77@213-66-90-95-no158.tbcn.telia.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:04:13] *** mOOse_77 <mOOse_77!~moose_77@213-66-90-95-no158.tbcn.telia.com> has joined #Citrix[17:08:24] <|Atum|> wru hirogen must hear how first day went ><[17:33:14] *** br34k <br34k!~jordan@66.122.194.2> has joined #Citrix[17:49:47] *** Kaptain <Kaptain!~quassel@unaffiliated/dogs> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:59:10] *** mOOse_77 <mOOse_77!~moose_77@213-66-90-95-no158.tbcn.telia.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:59:31] *** mOOse_77 <mOOse_77!~moose_77@213-66-90-95-no158.tbcn.telia.com> has joined #Citrix[18:13:51] <nikade> |Atum|: what? :D[18:19:13] <Biny> yeah, im totally fine with unifi, but he's trying to go above me and push the guy i report to, to going 100% cisco and getting stacking/smartnet in place[18:19:15] <Biny> totally overkill[18:19:43] <nikade> dont go cisco[18:19:46] <nikade> whatever you do, dont[18:19:58] <nikade> i hear ppl who push for cisco gets a kickback :D[18:20:10] <nikade> we used to be all cisco but its too fucking expensive[18:21:13] <Biny> yeah theres no benefit to them nowadays with other competitors other than they are a known name[18:21:34] <Biny> i have gigabit switches in our new addition(s) with cisco[18:22:01] <Biny> just .. the 60-120kb bandwidth per terminal is not worth the price[18:24:01] <nikade> hehe yeah[18:24:12] <nikade> we actually use hp procurve for access instead of cisco[18:24:16] <nikade> its way cheaper[18:24:26] <nikade> dist/core is replaced with juniper, also cheaper[18:24:27] <Biny> yeah, hp is on my list as well, but we use all unifi AP's and i already use a poe switch[18:24:36] <nikade> yeah unifi is really good[18:24:38] <nikade> we use them for wifi[18:24:43] <Biny> and my dads business does networking/telephony and has some great success with unifi switches in enterprise situations[18:24:45] <Biny> and like[18:24:52] <Biny> $4k for the project i quoted, with unifi[18:24:55] <Biny> $20k with cisco[18:25:03] <Biny> i could buy 2x every unifi switch as a backup[18:25:07] <Biny> and still comei n 50% under budget[18:25:40] <nikade> haha yeah[18:26:01] <nikade> those unifi switches, ap's AND routers are really good for small business[18:26:16] <nikade> you can deploy a enterprise setup for the price of nothing[18:26:23] <nikade> i really like their software too[18:26:40] <nikade> the mgmt tool is super-easy to use and u can run a lot of sites on the same controller[18:26:57] <nikade> i think i have like 4 sites on a linux vm with 1 core, 512mb ram and 30gb hdd :D[18:27:10] <nikade> 30gb hdd is only because mongodb needs ~22gb free or something[18:28:48] <Biny> yeah, did you see their actual network management software?[18:29:01] <Biny> its pretty sweet, infancy stage though[18:29:46] <nikade> no i didnt see it[18:29:51] <nikade> but i bet it is good[18:30:01] <Biny> they have a demo site up[18:30:03] <Biny> one sec[18:31:04] <Biny> i wish they continued mFi development[18:31:14] <Biny> have a box full of mFI stuff but their controller dies on anything >java6[18:32:15] <Biny> https://unms-demo.ubnt.com/[18:32:58] <tabularasa> unify.. barf[18:33:04] * tabularasa ducks[18:33:20] <Biny> lol[18:34:15] <Splatone> tabularasa: Looks like we are going with juniper to replace our core switches.[18:34:33] <nikade> Splatone: good choice! we recently replaced our cisco's with juniper ex4600[18:35:03] <Splatone> https://www.juniper.net/assets/us/en/local/pdf/datasheets/1000605-en.pdf[18:35:05] <nikade> Biny: that is nice[18:35:18] <nikade> damn :D[18:35:19] <Biny> yeah i was looking at juniper as well, but our core switches are all cisco 3750's[18:35:22] <nikade> Splatone: those must be expensive[18:35:32] <Biny> dont really care with our environment about the actual endpoints[18:35:43] <Splatone> 10k or so.[18:35:45] <nikade> Biny: i like the demo btw[18:35:48] <nikade> Biny: looks real nice[18:35:56] <Biny> yeah i think that's for their ISP platform[18:36:04] <Biny> they have a CRM too which looks like it ties into that[18:36:13] <Biny> https://ucrm-demo.ubnt.com/device[18:36:37] <Splatone> We are going with the qfx-5110-32q's[18:36:51] <nikade> Splatone: do u have 100g links?[18:37:10] <nikade> thats some really good switch man[18:37:11] <nikade> damn[18:37:26] <Splatone> nikade: We probably wont be using the 100g.[18:38:36] <nikade> Biny: is that only for their products? i mean this looks really really neat man[18:38:42] <Biny> i think so nikade[18:38:42] <nikade> Splatone: mkay, 10g then?[18:38:47] <Splatone> Right now we have a stack of 4 10g switches.[18:38:56] <nikade> Biny: they could sell this for other stuff as well, not just unifi customers[18:39:00] <Biny> yeah[18:39:05] <Splatone> Our new san has 40g on it though.[18:40:03] <nikade> Splatone: what kind of nic has 40g?[18:40:15] <nikade> Biny: damn i like this interface, the crm is awesome[18:40:25] <nikade> ability to customize prices and stuff for pre-defined services[18:40:58] <Splatone> nikade: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ethernet-products/converged-network-adapters/ethernet-xl710-brief.html[18:42:30] <Splatone> nikade: Many vendors have 40gb nics. Also each 40gb port breaks out to 4 x 10gb dac.[18:43:36] <Splatone> nikade: for example our bladecenter will use 4 40gb ports on each switch for a total of 32 10gb ports.[18:44:44] <nikade> Splatone: yeah i've seen those break outs, looks like a squid :D[18:45:06] <nikade> Splatone: i didnt play with 40gb yet, im only at 10gb so im not very familiar with 40g[18:45:13] <nikade> looks pretty nice tho, intel is good[18:46:44] <Splatone> nikade: We are going to an all flash array so the chances of saturating a 10gb connection is real now.[18:48:26] <nikade> Splatone: what storage are u using? im able to saturn 10gb over nfs right now[18:48:52] <nikade> Splatone: we're using nexenta with 128gb ram + ssd slog and l2arc and 10k sas-drives for our fast arrays and 7.2k sas-drives for our slower ones[18:49:04] <nikade> i reach about 500-600MB/s even on the slower ones[18:51:47] <newbie1998> hirogen - u there?[18:54:03] <tabularasa> i like juniper..[18:54:35] <tabularasa> we have a lot of good experience with it[19:01:14] *** Lucasje <Lucasje!uid24226@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eqprjznyckgnxmpr> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[19:08:03] <uncon> yay! zfs![19:08:36] <tabularasa> ?[19:14:01] *** jordan__ <jordan__!~jordan@scmtd.scmtd.com> has joined #Citrix[19:14:41] *** br34k <br34k!~jordan@66.122.194.2> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:15:29] *** flippytheclown <flippytheclown!414a10f2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.74.16.242> has joined #Citrix[19:18:33] <flippytheclown> Any setting to control searching Exchange GAL from Secure Mail (10.7.25.9) iOS? I can see it briefly flash "Company directory" when doing a lookup, but doesn't return a contact.[19:23:12] <uncon> tabularasa: nikade mentioned Nexenta who use ZFS, and ZFS is awesome[19:23:26] <tabularasa> ah[19:30:50] *** jordan__ <jordan__!~jordan@scmtd.scmtd.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:34:03] <flippytheclown> Secure Mail will do the GAL lookup from a new mail screen.This doesn't work in Contacts section though.[19:42:52] *** mOOse_77 <mOOse_77!~moose_77@213-66-90-95-no158.tbcn.telia.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:43:11] *** mOOse_77 <mOOse_77!~moose_77@213-66-90-95-no158.tbcn.telia.com> has joined #Citrix[19:47:19] *** hirogen <hirogen!hirogen@90.200.61.18> has joined #Citrix[20:08:11] <Splatone> nikaade: netapp[20:25:05] <hirogen> newbie1998 - seems my role is mostly post support, they are migrating a few thousand people from office 07 to 2016, across some vdi, whyse terminals, they got a ton of experts in to do the build for windows 10, pretty complex it seems, anyway its a learning curve for me for now.[20:35:44] *** Vapez <Vapez!~Vapez@unaffiliated/vapez> has joined #Citrix[20:46:46] *** mOOse_77 <mOOse_77!~moose_77@213-66-90-95-no158.tbcn.telia.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[20:47:04] *** mOOse_77 <mOOse_77!~moose_77@213-66-90-95-no158.tbcn.telia.com> has joined #Citrix[20:49:49] <hirogen> at best im only ever gonna be doing BAU stuff, they got pro's in they know what they're doin, tbh it would be a mockery if i went upto them and advised em lol[20:50:11] <hirogen> def now realising scripting is key to being a back office contractor[20:53:31] *** mOOse_77 <mOOse_77!~moose_77@213-66-90-95-no158.tbcn.telia.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[20:53:51] *** mOOse_77 <mOOse_77!~moose_77@213-66-90-95-no158.tbcn.telia.com> has joined #Citrix[21:21:06] <tabularasa> BobFrankly: decent mix, thanks bud[21:37:35] <BobFrankly> tabularasa: huh?[21:37:39] <BobFrankly> oh, the soundcloud?[21:43:51] <tabularasa> yeah[21:44:08] <BobFrankly> nice[21:53:13] <newbie1998> hirogen - learn as much as you can from the TA and Engineers so you can implement it the next place you go[22:00:22] *** MasterXen <MasterXen!ca0e6b01@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.14.107.1> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[22:02:42] *** mOOse_77 <mOOse_77!~moose_77@213-66-90-95-no158.tbcn.telia.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:02:59] *** mOOse_77 <mOOse_77!~moose_77@213-66-90-95-no158.tbcn.telia.com> has joined #Citrix[22:15:20] *** mOOse_77 <mOOse_77!~moose_77@213-66-90-95-no158.tbcn.telia.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:15:38] *** mOOse_77 <mOOse_77!~moose_77@213-66-90-95-no158.tbcn.telia.com> has joined #Citrix[22:22:14] *** Vapez <Vapez!~Vapez@unaffiliated/vapez> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:23:24] *** newbie1998 <newbie1998!60411009@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.65.16.9> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[22:39:10] <hirogen> ok[22:59:52] <tabularasa> BobFrankly: i can't find most of these songs on GPM.. why is that?[23:04:01] <BobFrankly> gpm?[23:04:07] <BobFrankly> that google music?[23:04:13] <tabularasa> yeah[23:04:32] <BobFrankly> because these aren't "mainstream" artists with a record contract[23:04:48] <tabularasa> cool[23:04:51] <tabularasa> thanks[23:04:51] <BobFrankly> soundcloud is guys like you and me publishing our basement/garage music[23:04:53] <BobFrankly> np[23:04:58] <tabularasa> i figured... very cool[23:28:24] *** flippytheclown <flippytheclown!414a10f2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.74.16.242> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[23:53:38] *** harukomoto <harukomoto!~harukomot@93-41-16-73.ip79.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC ()