February 6, 2018 
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February 6, 2018 [17:15:07] *** echelog-2 <echelog-2!~echelog-2@108.61.103.42> has joined #Citrix[17:15:45] <braynyac> How hard / time consuming is it to set up AppV and deploy an application? I understand that these things are subjective, but roughly speaking. Also, can you deploy AppV to non-domain joined PCs?[17:16:38] <paradizelost> Yes[17:16:49] <paradizelost> As far as difficulty depends on the app[17:16:53] <BobFrankly> ^[17:17:09] *** ashaffer <ashaffer!adf8a252@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.248.162.82> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[17:17:34] <braynyac> Great[17:17:40] <braynyac> This should be fun, then[17:18:32] <braynyac> My guess is that this application will not work well. Or at all. Or if so, will take approximately 3 years to get correct =/[17:22:05] <braynyac> Ok, how about any other automated application installation management system? Options? Ones that you use? I only know of two...SCCM and Desktop Central. Do any of you use anything else? Pluses / minuses? This is for non-domain joined fat clients that require an application that will be remotely updated ~4 times / year. We have 50 PCs spread across 24 sites, and all will need to be touched within ~36 hours, so this[17:22:05] <braynyac> isn't really something that we can have people onsite for.[17:39:07] <tabularasa> App-V blows[17:42:37] <braynyac> I am looking into any and all options. We got handcuffed on an application upgrade that completely changes our workflow.[17:42:50] <braynyac> Turbo.net is an option, as well[17:43:27] <braynyac> I'd rather not do powershell remoting and/or PSExec, but that may also be an option.[17:43:38] <braynyac> Or, something else entirely.[17:45:05] <tabularasa> braynyac: choco, man[17:45:08] <tabularasa> chocolatey[17:45:13] <tabularasa> it's fucking awesome[17:45:28] <braynyac> yeah, we use it. That's an idea I hadn't thought of...[17:48:29] <braynyac> Although that may not work. Stupid app has a built in "version control program" that runs after install. Doing that through powershell / chocolatey has not been pleasant so far.[17:49:31] <braynyac> And we still have to push it to the remote machines...hmmmmm[17:52:57] <tabularasa> yeah, we use labtech to kick off choco[17:53:20] <tabularasa> but, if you could get to the machine once, you could setup a scheduled task to check into choco for updates[17:56:05] <|Atum|> @todd.geib Yes that is what I was referring to[17:58:47] <citrixslackbot> <todd.geib> @atum Ah ok so when u said a local account, u meant a local account on the instance itself - not in MAS (sorry read that wrong). Any idea if u can get away with anything lower than "superuser" privs on the instance?[18:24:30] <|Atum|> Correct. I do not know if lower than superuser works -- I do know for certain that readonly does not[18:43:37] <uncon> @todd.geib if you don't mind working for it, you could just start with nothing, and log the denied commands. then, you can make a custom command policy based on that.[18:44:39] <uncon> (and, always keep in mind that when something broken, it's probably something you need to adjust for in your command policy)[18:48:30] *** flippythclown <flippythclown!414a10f2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.74.16.242> has joined #Citrix[19:20:12] *** Sm4 <Sm4!spk@hilla.kapsi.fi> has joined #Citrix[19:33:05] *** hirogen <hirogen!hirogen@90.214.51.87> has joined #Citrix[19:33:29] <David62277> good afternoon[19:34:38] *** DeadKaptain <DeadKaptain!~quassel@unaffiliated/dogs> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:36:21] *** GenteelBen <GenteelBen!~GenteelBe@cpc111801-lutn14-2-0-cust55.9-3.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[19:38:46] <citrixslackbot> <todd.geib> Got it - thx guys. I'll play with it and let u know if I learn anything in terms of permissions.[19:41:05] *** KaiForce <KaiForce!~chatzilla@99.133.184.129> has joined #Citrix[20:05:33] <SuicideJ4ck> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/960949244982018049[20:06:37] <tabularasa> hey David62277[20:11:05] *** Lucasje <Lucasje!uid24226@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fqemnsrkyeibkfck> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[20:14:23] <citrixslackbot> <todd.geib> Anyone know if on a Netscaler its possible to limit administrative access for a given user to a given network and / or IP address? I know I can limit all traffic in general to a given network - wondering if its possible to do it for a specific administrative user.[20:17:43] <uncon> @todd.geib you might be able to do that with RADIUS[20:17:48] *** flippythclown <flippythclown!414a10f2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.74.16.242> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[20:18:49] <uncon> (e.g., enable "Send Calling Station ID" and have your RADIUS server do the actual logic based on that IP)[20:20:48] <citrixslackbot> <todd.geib> @uncon Oh interesting idea.[20:23:13] *** newbie1998 <newbie1998!60411009@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.65.16.9> has joined #Citrix[20:31:20] <David62277> so... what would you do... i have session recording setup to record "problem users" (ie: users who have put in a lot of "vdi sucks" type tickets). I've come across a couple of them where the file size blows up very quickly... which makes me wonder wtf they are doing. turns out it is porn...[20:32:48] <David62277> i mentioned it to my boss last week, and he said he would bring it up with hr... don't think he has though... one of the people in question is fairly high up on the totem pole[20:33:09] <braynyac> Is there a policy against it?[20:33:15] <braynyac> Do you have a proxy?[20:33:18] <David62277> against porn at work? yeah[20:33:28] <David62277> i can block the sites... sure[20:33:40] <BobFrankly> they'll just find new sites though[20:33:43] <David62277> right[20:33:48] <David62277> thats my thinking[20:33:53] <braynyac> Might send HR a link to the videos...[20:34:08] <BobFrankly> braynyac: so David62277 can have another busted VDI?[20:34:11] <BobFrankly> :P[20:34:13] <David62277> thats the thing... session recording you need the session recording player[20:34:16] <braynyac> lol[20:34:20] <braynyac> publish it[20:34:24] <braynyac> we do ours[20:34:34] <braynyac> then just do FTA for it[20:34:38] <BobFrankly> David62277: web traffic history isn't sufficent?[20:34:50] <David62277> our web traffic logs are all ip addresses[20:34:51] <braynyac> I know it is here (the web history)[20:34:55] <braynyac> ouch[20:35:06] <David62277> via cisco stuff[20:35:12] <BobFrankly> David62277: are you XA or XD?[20:35:15] <David62277> XD[20:35:26] <BobFrankly> so single desktop, single user, single IP[20:35:32] <David62277> no[20:35:36] <BobFrankly> ?[20:35:38] <David62277> shared desktops[20:35:41] <David62277> 2008[20:35:49] <David62277> was 1:1 originally[20:35:59] <BobFrankly> 2008, that's XA isn't it?[20:36:06] <braynyac> You can do XD on it[20:36:09] <David62277> it is xendesktop[20:36:16] <braynyac> 7.0 / 7.1[20:36:22] <David62277> i can publish desktops or apps[20:36:25] <David62277> and/or[20:36:34] <David62277> 7.15 CU1[20:36:48] <BobFrankly> I thought citrix was defining the differences between the two as which OS type is was installed upon[20:37:07] <BobFrankly> thats what the install media hints at[20:37:10] <David62277> i have both server and desktop os[20:37:31] <David62277> i publish apps, server desktops, and regular vdi[20:37:36] <braynyac> Does Cisco have a proxy client for authentication?[20:37:39] <David62277> depending on the situation[20:37:45] <newbie1998> hey guys,[20:37:47] <David62277> not that we are using[20:38:00] <braynyac> and no chance to install it, I would imaging?[20:38:02] <braynyac> imagine[20:38:08] <David62277> we have firepower... it logs everything but from what i can see it is just a bunch of ips logged[20:38:12] <newbie1998> i am at an environment where they are using XA 7.5 MCS and they are running out of space on their data stores[20:38:29] <newbie1998> they are using peristent Windows 7 desktops off of VMware[20:38:39] <newbie1998> Can i just migrate those to another data store?[20:38:45] <David62277> im going to give hr access to the session recording player[20:39:10] <BobFrankly> newbie1998: you're not redirecting user data to a central server?[20:39:17] <newbie1998> i moved one and it booted up. however, it opened up with a conslidate disk error message[20:39:41] <BobFrankly> or are they just installing that much software?[20:39:54] <newbie1998> BobFrankly - the person before me configured it so they can locally save it.[20:40:02] <BobFrankly> ugh[20:40:07] <braynyac> David62277: that's what I would do. In fact, that is what we do.[20:40:14] <BobFrankly> makes deduplicaation difficult[20:40:17] <braynyac> You can save off the recordings, too[20:40:42] <braynyac> it's a pain, but quite doable. Then, you can save them directly to an HR folder, or to the HR person's home drive.[20:41:14] <braynyac> We record all sessions, for everyone, but only keep for 14 days (it's a LOT of storage), so if want to keep it past the rollover, we copy off.[20:41:15] <BobFrankly> braynyac: session recording alows video export? is that what you're saying?[20:41:16] <newbie1998> BobFrankly - so can i just migrate it to another datastore?[20:41:20] <braynyac> Not quite[20:41:38] <BobFrankly> newbie1998: no idea in that env[20:41:39] <braynyac> But you can find the file, then navigate to the folder / file, and copy off.[20:41:49] <BobFrankly> ah[20:41:59] <braynyac> They are stored as GUIDs, so search the storage folder for the GUID[20:42:03] <newbie1998> BobFrankly - thanks[20:42:08] <newbie1998> anyone else know[20:42:09] <braynyac> then copy off and rename.[20:42:19] <newbie1998> i am running out of time[20:42:19] <BobFrankly> braynyac: gotcha[20:42:33] <newbie1998> i don't know why this guy configured the environment like this[20:43:14] <BobFrankly> does MCS require OS storage for each VM created?[20:45:16] *** Billy_ <Billy_!7811e50a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.120.17.229.10> has joined #Citrix[20:45:48] *** Billy_ <Billy_!7811e50a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.120.17.229.10> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:46:52] <newbie1998> BobFrankly - Yes MCS does[20:47:01] <newbie1998> it opposite of PVS[20:48:17] <BobFrankly> ouch[20:48:37] <newbie1998> lol[20:48:40] <newbie1998> exactly[20:48:48] <newbie1998> he's got 700 machines[20:49:11] <BobFrankly> if converted to PVS....how much space would that save....[20:49:31] <BobFrankly> "no, lets buy more SAN"[20:49:56] <tabularasa> i thought MCS did linked clones??[20:50:10] <Moxified> yeah, it does. But I think he is doing persistent.[20:50:12] <tabularasa> or, you mean, that space, as opposed to write-cache[20:50:19] * tabularasa got into the conversation late, and shuts up[20:50:38] <BobFrankly> tabularasa: welcome to my world![20:51:15] <uncon> braynyac | Might send HR a link to the videos...[20:51:26] <Biny> I thought MCS linked to the base image and did a delta file for each machine from there on[20:51:29] <braynyac> =D[20:51:32] <Biny> and the delta wasn't persistent, so is dumped on reboot[20:51:40] <uncon> David62277: yeah... send HR a link.. "Check out this nice video I found!"[20:51:42] <Moxified> Biny, it does in shared pooled[20:52:26] <Moxified> if you do persistent, it will link to the base but the differential will grow indefinitely until you have a delta the same size as your base.[20:52:43] <tabularasa> heh[20:52:53] <Moxified> I think... I only do shared pooled.[20:53:04] <Biny> yeah i'm running shared pooled as well[20:53:13] <tabularasa> static w/ MCS = dumb[20:53:23] <Moxified> ^[20:53:45] <Moxified> We tried personal vdisk... that was a blood bath.[20:53:59] <BobFrankly> sounds like one[20:54:14] *** ello_govna <ello_govna!ello_govna@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/ellogovna/x-42533607> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:54:40] *** ello_govna <ello_govna!ello_govna@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/ellogovna/x-42533607> has joined #Citrix[20:54:42] <Moxified> First time AV did a major update and we subsequently rolled the same update out to our base... it launched the pvd units into boot cycle hell.[20:55:38] <tabularasa> lol, ugh[20:56:14] <braynyac> "unscheduled PTO"[20:56:21] <Moxified> yeah, it was not a great day. Thankfully there were plenty of shared pooled to give them. We just told them to get used to it and deleted the catalog for the pvd.[20:56:22] <braynyac> for everyone else[20:56:39] <braynyac> lol. You'll use it! And you'll love it! Or else![20:56:46] <Moxified> pretty much.[20:57:35] <braynyac> my biggest today is the microsoft licensing portal. What a mess.[20:57:44] <braynyac> sheesh. "biggest pain today"[20:58:21] <braynyac> Hey David62277 - do you do any profile management with your containers? Or just let the whole thing ride?[20:59:03] <BobFrankly> he issues thumb drives to employees. Anything that doesn't fit on there, isn't fit to save.[20:59:14] * BobFrankly snickers[20:59:16] <braynyac> 👍[20:59:25] <braynyac> doesn't everyone do that?[21:03:17] <newbie1998> tabularasa - he's doing persistent.[21:03:37] <newbie1998> but it still has the 16 mb second disk which i though it shouldn[21:14:04] <David62277> braynyac i let it all ride[21:15:00] <David62277> and then i use wem to tweak/configure things[21:27:03] *** Vapez <Vapez!~quassel@unaffiliated/vapez> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:27:14] *** Vapez <Vapez!~Vapez@unaffiliated/vapez> has joined #Citrix[21:37:09] *** KaiForce <KaiForce!~chatzilla@99.133.184.129> has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 52.6.0/20180118122319])[21:38:07] <Biny> spacex launch in 12ish![21:38:25] <Biny> er 7ish![21:38:29] <Biny> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbSwFU6tY1c[21:41:36] <zyphaz> 4 minutes to Falcon Heavy launch![21:44:52] <|Atum|> uh[21:44:57] <|Atum|> :<[21:45:39] <|Atum|> My heart always gets heavy watching space stuff. The last live event I watched was the columbia shuttle reentry :([21:45:43] <|Atum|> now i just watch the videos playback[21:45:55] <|Atum|> so at least if im going to be heart broken its at a time of my choosing, instead of life[21:45:57] <|Atum|> live*[21:46:25] <|Atum|> If Atum wasn't in IT, I'd be doing Space-y related stuff for certain :-p[21:46:42] <|Atum|> or if it ever becomes possible to support my family with the current pay ...ya[21:47:01] <Biny> so what you're saying is, it's your fault if something happens because you happened to view it![21:47:27] <|Atum|> Not at all, but I get all teary eyed when things go correctly, its just a real gut punch when they dont[21:47:37] <|Atum|> even moreso when our brave pioneers are lost[21:47:43] <Biny> nod[21:47:55] <Biny> my wives cousin got picked to be on the latest nasa crew for the ISS[21:48:05] <|Atum|> Never fun to watch even the cargo transport rockets go awry. The naysayers always point to it as "evidence" of something something antiscience[21:48:08] *** Yanni <Yanni!33eb90ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.51.235.144.172> has joined #Citrix[21:48:23] <|Atum|> that's totally awesome :)[21:48:51] <Biny> yeah, he flew his mom out for the celebration and didn't tell her ahead of time[21:51:01] *** Yanni <Yanni!33eb90ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.51.235.144.172> has left #Citrix[21:52:04] <BobFrankly> did they launch the falcon superheavy?[21:56:35] <citrixslackbot> <kbaggerman> Yup[21:56:42] <citrixslackbot> <kbaggerman> Twitter is going nuts[21:57:11] <BobFrankly> how'd it do?[22:02:53] <BobFrankly> ah https://www.theguardian.com/science/live/2018/feb/06/spacex-falcon-heavy-launch-elon-musk-live-updates[22:04:04] <BobFrankly> lol, "Dont Panic" on the dashboard of the tesla he's parking in orbit[22:04:26] <BobFrankly> classic Hitchhiker's reference[22:07:49] <BobFrankly> what would be really funny, is if the telsa was hiding some solar panels and was really a spy satelite in hotrod red[22:37:30] <braynyac> Where's the towel?!?[22:37:32] <silentfury> it didn't blow up[22:45:30] <newbie1998> Moxified - so can i migrate persistent MCSs vms to another datastore?[23:17:49] <hirogen> wow i just got a job as a contractor working on a windows 10 migration and to citrix desktop, not sure if they already on citrix desktop to be honest, anyway its banking industry, start next monday,, what to do lol to get some experience before i start[23:18:12] <newbie1998> hirogen - do you have a lab[23:18:36] <newbie1998> i would start by familiarizing yourself with Windows 10 and start building a lab[23:18:53] <newbie1998> the XenDesktop handbook is a good guide as well.[23:19:04] <newbie1998> just my two sense[23:26:46] <hirogen> hi[23:27:19] <hirogen> im okay with windows 10 to some extent used it for 3 months at my last job, but i had no involvment in the build still you're right its totally different to windows 7[23:28:06] <hirogen> im looking at carl stallhoods blog on installing xendesktop, tbh hard to rememebr it all, plus i know a bit about the infrastructre for citrix desktop now, albeit just theory from the slides and videos[23:28:07] <hirogen> hehe[23:28:07] <newbie1998> what are the using to deploy the windows 10 Vms?[23:28:14] <newbie1998> PVS or MCS?[23:28:21] <hirogen> not sure yet tbh, my guess is provisioning[23:28:28] <hirogen> i can ask my mate over linkedin cos hes already there[23:28:39] <newbie1998> okay, check out Carl Stalhood website[23:28:43] <hirogen> yah[23:29:01] <newbie1998> he's great and his how to's are the best[23:29:15] <hirogen> but i dont really have any practical experience, im more worried about post configuring after a users been migrated to xendesktop, Ill presume its going to be heavily locked down[23:29:17] <newbie1998> i would definitely lab it out first and play around with it.[23:29:21] <hirogen> ok[23:29:34] <newbie1998> so u reach out to everyone here[23:29:35] <hirogen> if i can logon to a azure account that would be ideal[23:29:38] <hirogen> ok[23:29:40] <hirogen> ta[23:29:43] <newbie1998> these guys have been helping me for years now[23:29:46] <hirogen> nice3[23:29:46] <newbie1998> they rock[23:30:03] <hirogen> the only downside is, everytime i work in a finance company, irc is always blocked lol[23:32:10] <hirogen> I've forgotton what MCS is[23:32:55] <hirogen> googling man can you imagine working in IT without the internet, one would need literally 20 IT books on their shelves[23:33:01] <hirogen> lol I cant even programme[23:34:32] <newbie1998> e-mail me at knightrider1994 at outlook dot com[23:34:40] <newbie1998> i'll e-mail you some documents that helped me[23:35:00] <newbie1998> use your phone or laptop and connect to external network when you go to the client.[23:35:29] <newbie1998> also, you can e-mail the CTPs they usually respond in 48 hours...although not sure if they like being e-mailed.[23:37:47] <newbie1998> okay, i am going to head out[23:37:57] <newbie1998> talk to you guys later and thanks![23:43:31] <hirogen> ok[23:43:42] <hirogen> btw I loved knight rider[23:44:00] <hirogen> did you know he never met the voice of KITT until after the series was completed[23:48:41] <BobFrankly> what about the voice of KARR?[23:49:05] <newbie1998> yup[23:49:18] <newbie1998> the voice of car was the same person that voiced optimus prime[23:49:42] <newbie1998> ok guys, ttyl[23:49:44] <hirogen> no it wasnt[23:49:58] * BobFrankly starts a war and then runs[23:50:13] <hirogen> it was the headmaster in I think that disney tv show Boy meets world[23:50:29] <hirogen> opitmus prime played venger in dungens and dragons[23:51:26] * BobFrankly looks forward to a knight rider BTTF hybrid in Ready Player One[23:54:09] <BobFrankly> actually just read the book last week[23:54:24] *** newbie1998 <newbie1998!60411009@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.65.16.9> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)