November 13, 2014 
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November 13, 2014 [00:00:33] *** Guest89707 has quit IRC[00:01:48] *** ghostmediapro has joined #Citrix[00:03:11] *** MartynKeigher has quit IRC[00:37:54] <_Abraham> what would you say is the bandwidth consumed per ICA session? around 100kbps? 200kbps?[00:51:34] *** qakhan has joined #Citrix[01:00:02] <rsrevord> all depends on the apps but those aren't decent starting #s[01:00:12] <rsrevord> my graphics session is like 1meg+/sec[01:04:02] *** hirogen1 has joined #Citrix[01:34:39] *** hirogen1 has quit IRC[01:52:37] *** xSnakeDoctor has quit IRC[02:13:37] *** qakhan has quit IRC[02:23:20] *** hardlock has joined #Citrix[02:25:05] *** _hardlock has quit IRC[02:33:52] *** MartynKeigher has joined #Citrix[02:42:46] *** headscratcher has quit IRC[02:47:17] *** rismoney1 has joined #Citrix[02:49:23] *** headscratcher has joined #Citrix[02:56:40] *** rr has joined #Citrix[02:59:32] *** rismoney1 has quit IRC[03:14:25] *** rr is now known as Guest31211[03:14:55] *** rr has joined 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joined #Citrix[14:05:17] *** qakhan has joined #Citrix[14:29:40] *** KaiForce has quit IRC[14:31:58] *** nelmedia has joined #Citrix[14:49:17] <David62277> good morning[14:49:20] *** foogle has quit IRC[14:50:22] *** foogle has joined #Citrix[14:54:06] *** gOODbOY has joined #Citrix[15:05:08] *** stormlight has joined #Citrix[15:07:29] *** MartynKeigher has joined #Citrix[15:10:52] <tabularasa> good morning everyone[15:35:50] <nelmedia> Very quiet channel today. That could be a good thing![15:36:13] <tabularasa> yeah, it happens[15:36:18] <tabularasa> some days are busy, some aren't[15:37:44] <nelmedia> anyone else currently on the channel work with Netscalers? Specifically in a double hop scenario?[15:40:27] <nelmedia> Guess not. ok, moving on...[15:41:13] <tabularasa> whats up?[15:41:22] <tabularasa> yes, we have a couple good, and one great netscaler guy here[15:41:32] <tabularasa> patience, my friend, patience[15:41:50] <nelmedia> have specific questions around double hop config since eDocs is very vague on specifics[15:42:11] <tabularasa> ask away[15:43:39] <gOODbOY> I have a question about XenMobile. Why do we need AppController when we can use the XenMobile DM to deploy apps to the mobile devices? I have installed both AppController and XDM and have the same apps in both[15:44:23] <nelmedia> Scenario setup - DMZ 1 NS - it passes auth back to DMZ2 NS., which is actually a vServer VIP that has a service group including 2 LDAPS servers. Connecting on backend to Windows OS WI 5.4 servers.[15:44:56] <nelmedia> Does DMZ1 NS need STA servers defined along with Next Hop server? or just DMZ2 NS needs STA's defined?[15:45:25] <nelmedia> Which NS has to have AGEE (Gateway) session policy defined?[15:45:28] <tabularasa> that IS a ggood question[15:45:31] <tabularasa> :)[15:45:41] <tabularasa> i'd think all of that would need to be on NS1, but i'm not 100% sure[15:45:49] <tabularasa> wait till uncon comes around and he would know[15:45:59] <nelmedia> ok. thx.[15:47:14] *** _abraham has joined #Citrix[15:48:01] <_abraham> good morning[15:48:02] *** Getterac7 has joined #Citrix[15:48:05] <Lucasje> gOODbOY: DM deploys only .ipa/.apk/... apps, you need AppController to deploy .mdx apps, which are apps that are wrapped by the Citrix tookit, which allows you to use microVPN functionality etc.[15:48:06] <tabularasa> good morning[15:50:20] <gOODbOY> I am new to XenMobile and am very confused with how it works. so if we do not plan to wrap the apps we do not need AppC ?[15:51:45] *** chrisp1115 has joined #Citrix[15:52:14] *** rr has quit IRC[15:52:53] *** chrisp1114 has quit IRC[15:53:09] <tabularasa> yeah, XenMobile is pretty new to all of us[15:53:33] <Lucasje> if you don't need any of these : http://support.citrix.com/proddocs/topic/appcontroller-28/xmob-appc-landing-page-con.html/ , you don't need AppC[15:53:46] <Lucasje> wrapped apps are only a part of the puzzle[15:54:12] <Lucasje> but pure device management and deploying standard apps is perfectly possible without AppC[15:54:34] *** m4dbi7 has joined #Citrix[15:55:14] <gOODbOY> I also think tthat without AppC we will not be able to deploy XenApp apps[15:55:38] <Lucasje> true, not in the way that you would do with AppC at least[15:56:09] *** chrisp1115 has quit IRC[15:56:21] <Lucasje> you can still use citrix receiver for that though, but AppC helps to 'unify' the experience[15:56:38] <gOODbOY> yeah[15:57:17] *** chrisp1115 has joined #Citrix[15:57:38] <gOODbOY> and how many public URL we need, one or two - considering we have AppC[16:00:00] *** Lajo has quit IRC[16:04:05] *** chrisp1115 has quit IRC[16:04:16] *** Mattie has joined #Citrix[16:13:46] *** m4dbi7 has quit IRC[16:27:32] <Lucasje> It's possible with 1, but save yourself the hassle and go for 2[16:27:55] *** _abraham has quit IRC[16:34:22] *** _abraham has joined #Citrix[16:35:27] <_abraham> so setting the overall session bandwidth to 200kbps makes each session prettymuch unusable.. what do you think the acceptable bandwidth per session should be?[16:40:05] <Grelot> when you say unusable, its all the time or during specific scenario (video, ppt, etc...)[16:42:02] <_abraham> all the time[16:43:19] <_abraham> this branch has only 6mbps bandwidth, if i dont set a limit and turn on 15 thin clients and have them connect to a session.. it saturates the bandwidth[16:43:36] <_abraham> (i know 6mbps is ridiculous...)[16:44:43] *** mat305 has joined #Citrix[16:44:54] <mat305> anyone here?[16:44:57] <_abraham> so im trying to get to a sweet spot where i dont get the best performance (obviously) but its at least usable hehe not click on something and 60 seconds later it reacts[16:46:01] <mat305> better yet anyone have a storefront 2.1 behind a netscaler gateway with a working Android Mobile profile?[16:46:23] <Lucasje> _abraham: I'd look into reducing visual effects, checking printing etc. because 400kbps is absurd[16:48:55] <uncon> nelmedia: the final hop needs STA, IIRC[16:49:32] <tabularasa> hey uncon, nice to see you[16:50:33] <_abraham> i have used the WAN Optimization policy template. and reduced visual effects, FPS to 10 and overall bandwidth to 200kbps and still shitty performance[16:50:46] *** PaulS_ has joined #Citrix[16:50:46] *** xSnakeDoctor has joined #Citrix[16:50:47] <xSnakeDoctor> nes[16:52:45] <tabularasa> _abraham: how many users, how much bandwwidth?[16:52:52] <tabularasa> do you have netflow or something doing monitoring of the link?[16:53:22] <_abraham> im monitoring at the FW interface.[16:53:33] <_abraham> using PRTG[16:53:46] <uncon> tabularasa: it's nice to be seen[16:54:12] <tabularasa> PRTG should show you at least link utilization[16:54:35] <_abraham> it does[16:54:52] <uncon> tabularasa: did any of this "EXPIRED" stick out to you?[16:55:19] <PaulS_> What's the best way to migrate user's profile settings that was created with an older version of UPM to like, say the newest version? If not possible, everyone has to start with a fresh profile, huh?[16:55:19] *** Getterac7 has left #Citrix[16:55:48] <uncon> tabularasa: you fool![16:55:59] <tabularasa> sigh.. it was late[16:56:06] <uncon> (:[16:56:16] <uncon> i'll allow this .... once![16:56:49] <tabularasa> wait a sec[16:57:00] <tabularasa> it should expire 11-apr-2015[16:57:15] <tabularasa> look at the license file[16:57:33] <uncon> i am?[16:57:37] <tabularasa> well, let me log into the portal[16:57:50] <tabularasa> 5-sep-2012...[16:57:57] <tabularasa> and just expired? something is weird there[16:58:07] <uncon> 2014[16:58:57] <tabularasa> god, i'm an idiot sometime[16:59:06] <uncon> i'm sure you make up for it (:[16:59:16] <uncon> i like to think i do[16:59:24] <tabularasa> what crazy timing.. we vmotion it, then the license expires?[16:59:27] <tabularasa> like, the same night[16:59:32] <tabularasa> we haven't moved them in like a YEAR[16:59:58] <uncon> licenses are only evaluated at boot[17:00:15] <uncon> so, as long as you don't have too boot, you never need to renew![17:00:17] <tabularasa> so, it has been expired for like 6 months, and only died when we rebooted it?[17:00:19] <tabularasa> lmfao[17:00:21] <tabularasa> wow[17:00:25] <tabularasa> ok, now that makes sense[17:00:30] <uncon> that's why we don't release stable firmware[17:00:39] <tabularasa> dude, 9.3 is STABLE[17:00:40] <uncon> to make sure licensing works[17:00:44] <uncon> we fixed that in 10.x[17:00:48] <tabularasa> i hate to move off it. lol[17:04:44] <uncon> do you have to?[17:04:46] <uncon> (now)[17:05:00] <tabularasa> i have a project to retire the 9.3 to our 10.5 cluster[17:05:19] <tabularasa> bad idea?[17:05:31] <tabularasa> though, 9.3 doesn't work with SF[17:05:32] <uncon> actually, if upgrading isn't a huge (year long) deal...[17:05:49] <tabularasa> well, i'm not "upgrading"[17:05:52] <uncon> just try to stay on top of new builds, and starting now-ish, you should be fine[17:05:56] <tabularasa> i'm migrating them to the new cluster[17:05:56] <uncon> right[17:05:59] <uncon> i mean, going forward[17:06:04] <tabularasa> cool[17:06:12] <tabularasa> without stateful failover, thats tough. ;)[17:06:37] <uncon> oh yeah... sometimes i forget why i hate you[17:06:42] <tabularasa> hahaha[17:09:05] <tabularasa> luckly i only have like 25% of my users going through NS[17:09:15] *** KaiForce has joined #Citrix[17:09:59] *** vegbox has quit IRC[17:10:01] <tabularasa> uncon: no Summit for you, i assume[17:13:01] <uncon> tabularasa: correct[17:13:39] <uncon> i was offered a slot[17:13:49] <tabularasa> too much going on, i assume[17:13:56] <uncon> presentation, i mean[17:14:39] <uncon> mostly because i don't want to present (:[17:14:45] <tabularasa> heh[17:14:55] <tabularasa> sad, i owe you like 14 beers[17:15:17] <uncon> heh, you tracking that?[17:15:28] <tabularasa> in my own half-ass way[17:15:31] <uncon> post-it with tally marks?[17:15:38] <tabularasa> yup[17:19:09] <_abraham> hehe[17:19:44] <tabularasa> i bet this channel owes you like 182 beers[17:19:53] <tabularasa> i could look through my 582M of logs if you like[17:20:39] <uncon> well, that IS why i'm here[17:21:21] <uncon> i'm hoping for a #Citrix meetup when i can cash in for one glorious drunken night[17:21:27] <tabularasa> yes, me too[17:22:25] <|Atum|> hiyo[17:22:29] <tabularasa> yo yo[17:22:46] <|Atum|> speaking of summit i need to register[17:22:54] <tabularasa> REG ADD HKLM\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Citrix\Dazzle /f /v InitialRefreshMinMs /t REG_SZ /d 1[17:22:57] <tabularasa> oops[17:23:36] *** Bobfrankly has joined #Citrix[17:24:29] <tabularasa> |Atum|: yes, do that[17:24:35] <tabularasa> i'm registered and have hotel reservation[17:25:19] <tabularasa> NOT at the Venetian, though[17:25:23] <tabularasa> $270/night.. FFS[17:25:29] <tabularasa> Harrahs, NEXT DOOR, is $50/night[17:25:30] <|Atum|> I was waiting on my $50 promo code[17:25:41] <tabularasa> $50 promo code?[17:25:58] <|Atum|> if multiple people register, additional people get $50 off[17:26:27] <|Atum|> see the Partner Loyalty Promotion – discounts for multiple attendees section on the reg page[17:26:55] <tabularasa> yeah, gotcha, i'm the only one going[17:27:16] <tabularasa> i thought you meant $50 for the hotel.. lol[17:33:46] <nelmedia> uncon: Thanks for the info, but that goes against the info from the eDocs - they state nothing goes on the internal NS's. All STA's and policies go on the externals. Not saying your wrong, just note my confusion on which is right/wrong. http://support.citrix.com/proddocs/topic/netscaler-gateway-105/ng-double-dmz-install-sta-traffic-tsk.html[17:35:25] <uncon> nelmedia: trust edocs over me[17:35:28] <nelmedia> uncon: what about the session policy - external or internal?[17:35:37] *** Omar__ has joined #Citrix[17:36:30] *** Omar__ has quit IRC[17:37:22] <uncon> oh, okay[17:37:34] <uncon> so, the second hop is just acting as a proxy[17:38:48] <uncon> nelmedia: "Do not configure authentication or policies on the NetScaler Gateway proxy." (eDocs)[17:39:04] <uncon> the "NetScaler Gateway proxy" is the second hop[17:39:20] <uncon> so, all your session (or otherwise) policies are on the first hop[17:41:24] <Tom_Wurm_> weird XD 7.6 issue. have a physical machine with VDA on it.. cant get any resolution but 1024x768[17:50:05] <Grelot> Can I put ost file on redirect folders ?[17:50:10] <Grelot> or will it be trouble ?[17:53:30] <|Atum|> Grelot: "not supported" but yes[17:53:44] <|Atum|> OST/PST are never supposed to be non-local[17:54:48] <Grelot> it means, I have officially 2 option :[17:55:01] <Grelot> leave the ost on the local profile : messy[17:55:09] <Grelot> disable the cache[17:56:12] <|Atum|> Exchange Server with local .ost file[17:56:14] <|Atum|> When you are working over a WAN or LAN, it is better to configure Microsoft Outlook in Cached Exchange Mode. This caches the Exchange Server mailbox data in a local Offline Folders (.ost) file. This configuration lets the remote client work successfully even without being connected to the server. Be aware that .ost files support local replication, and this means that all folders and their...[17:56:15] <|Atum|> ...data can be replicated to the .ost files, not just email messages, as is the case when you use remote mail. The use of .ost files is therefore more efficient and more useful. .ost files also do not have a dependency on the availability of the Exchange Server computer (except to synchronize new data from the server to the client and vice versa), because the information is cached in the...[17:56:17] <|Atum|> ...local .ost file. This improves performance because the information being viewed is stored on the local drive, while the master copy of the data remains on the server, where it can be accessed and backed up. The .ost files also provide data redundancy, and this ensures greater integrity and recoverability of the data.[17:56:19] <|Atum|> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/297019[17:58:34] *** PaulS_ has quit IRC[17:59:40] <Grelot> what would you recommend ?[18:00:08] <|Atum|> I used online mode and didnt do anything to disable OST[18:01:22] *** _abraham has quit IRC[18:02:52] <Grelot> online mode, you mean without local cache[18:02:53] <Grelot> ?[18:06:54] *** kiste1 has quit IRC[18:08:18] *** Jack__ has joined #Citrix[18:12:34] *** Jack__ has quit IRC[18:30:03] *** _abraham has joined #Citrix[18:36:11] <|Atum|> Just uncheck "use cached mode" / configure GPO[18:36:27] <|Atum|> 'Disable Cached Exchange Mode for all profiles"[18:45:22] *** tattedup has quit IRC[18:46:31] *** ghostmediapro has quit IRC[18:53:10] *** _abraham has quit IRC[18:55:12] *** tattedup has joined #Citrix[18:55:38] *** telam_ has joined #Citrix[18:57:22] *** nelmedia has quit IRC[19:00:49] <telam_> Hi :) question about PVS 6.1 licensing can i use more PVS Device than the number of PVS licensing Device i have purchased ? technical speaking is the over provisioning device will work just fine or will work under Grace period[19:11:16] *** deunnero_web has joined #Citrix[19:11:30] <tabularasa> i thought you could, yes[19:17:20] <deunnero_web> hey all[19:17:20] *** xraftx has joined #Citrix[19:18:03] <xraftx> hello, have a question with Netscaler 10.1[19:18:15] <deunnero_web> xraftx: and hopefully someone has a response :)[19:18:28] <tabularasa> heh[19:18:53] <deunnero_web> xraftx: :D wish i had the resources to get into netscaler... unfortunately we just lost our main server a couple of days ago...[19:18:57] <stephenh> hello.. has anyone used a NS to load balance dhcp using dhcp chaining? so, client -> firewall/dhcp hlper -> netscaler -> dhcp server?[19:19:35] <xraftx> I´m trying to figure out if there is any way to use group membership to allow users to authenticate[19:19:37] <stephenh> it seems to work just fine if i do client -> netscaler -> dhcp server, but it looks like the NS doesn't know what to do with a bootps packet, only knows how to work with the initial broadcast[19:19:43] <Grelot> thanks |Atum| btw[19:19:54] <stephenh> so curious if someone has managed to do this or if i should stop banging my head against the wall :)[19:20:37] <xraftx> deunnero_web: thaks for the response[19:21:58] <deunnero_web> xraftx: group membership to allow users to authenticate to netscaler... I thought when they went to the netscaler it asks them for a username and password[19:23:01] <xraftx> deunnero_web: yes, user, and password[19:24:01] <xraftx> and when the user try to log in, the netscaler respond invalid credentials if yhe user is member of "x" group[19:28:00] <deunnero_web> unfortunately for me i'm still new to the whole netscaler thing... Hopefully someone can chime in :)[19:29:32] *** Synthead has quit IRC[19:29:46] *** Synthead has joined #Citrix[19:29:50] <stephenh> xraftx: http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX123782 http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX125797 first two hits on google..[19:30:48] <xraftx> thank you any way deunnero_web :D[19:31:12] <stephenh> are you trying ldap or ldaps?[19:31:14] <xraftx> thankyou stephenh, already seach and try[19:31:22] <xraftx> ldap[19:31:37] *** Lucasje has quit IRC[19:32:44] <stephenh> first link should do the job, I've seen when people try ldaps and they don't import the certificate that they have issues[19:32:55] <stephenh> but that shouldn't be the case if using plain ldap[19:33:30] <uncon> can't change pwd over plain LDAP[19:33:43] <xraftx> ok, the first link, binds the netscaler with ldap server, so any ldap user, can log in[19:34:06] <|Atum|> np Grelot[19:34:28] <xraftx> what i'm looking for, is to prevent certain users to login[19:34:32] <uncon> xraftx: that's okay... only let certain groups hit certain session policies[19:34:52] <uncon> otherwise, you can show them a "you're not in the right group" message[19:35:30] *** Lucasje has joined #Citrix[19:35:37] <deunnero_web> interesting... :)[19:36:20] <xraftx> oh!!!! my bad!!![19:36:33] <xraftx> sorry, wasn't understanding the ctx[19:38:22] <|Atum|> Storefront, receiver,XA65. Creating apps in folders in the start menu (not the base folder, just any named folder ie "BusinessApps")...should work yes?[19:39:41] <xraftx> hummm, ok, http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX123782, this applies for access gateway too??[19:41:22] *** xraftx has quit IRC[19:42:27] <|Atum|> uh[19:42:31] <|Atum|> as in CAG?[19:42:46] *** hardlock has quit IRC[19:42:55] <tabularasa> stephenh: I have not tried this...[19:43:17] <tabularasa> why not just use DHCP clustering from Server 2012?[19:43:23] <tabularasa> hmmm.[19:43:37] <|Atum|> dont use dhcp clustering, use dhcp failover[19:43:44] <tabularasa> thats what i mean, sorry[19:44:31] <|Atum|> stephenh: never hard of anyone doing dhcp that way[19:44:34] <|Atum|> heard*[19:45:06] <|Atum|> you'll have to analyze the types of frames[19:47:08] <stephenh> |Atum|: it's in the RFC (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3046#section-2.1.1) was hoping the NS would be able to do it[19:47:21] <stephenh> the idea was to have a VIP that would be used as the helper address[19:47:32] <|Atum|> stephenh: netscaler probably can do it[19:47:40] <|Atum|> it doesnt mean you should :)[19:47:48] <stephenh> and if the dhcp server behind it fails, then to use another dhcp server that is either doing failover or load balancing[19:47:57] <tabularasa> i'm curious to think what uncon thinks of that[19:48:06] <|Atum|> if you're using failover, why would you introduce the loadbalancing?[19:48:06] <stephenh> well.... i'm trying to HA DHCP across datacentres :)[19:48:20] <|Atum|> thats still covered with dhcp failover though[19:48:27] <tabularasa> yeah[19:48:41] <stephenh> how?[19:49:03] <|Atum|> i did it like 6 weeks back. you just configure failover as longa s they have a wan link they synchronize the requests[19:49:08] <|Atum|> configure IP helper to both dhcp servers[19:49:11] <tabularasa> what risk are you trying to avert?[19:49:18] <|Atum|> they both receive requests, and one responds[19:49:20] <stephenh> that's my backup plan[19:49:29] <|Atum|> if one is down, only 1 response is received[19:49:29] <stephenh> configure them as load balanced and use 2 helper addresses[19:50:24] <stephenh> the original plan was to run BGP between the NS and firewalls in each datacentre and use RHI to monitor the DHCP service on the NS.. if the service is up then the route is annouced from datacentre 1. when the service fails, the route is removed and annouced from datacentre 2[19:50:53] <stephenh> it's a way cooler solution :p but it looks more likely I'm going to go with 2 helper addresses and dhcp load balancing with windows 2012[19:51:48] <tabularasa> that is a pretty neat idea[19:52:53] <stephenh> and way cooler than 2 helper addresses :p[19:53:04] <stephenh> I'm determined to make it happen, but now it looks like a limitation on the NS[19:54:05] <tabularasa> did you try just UDP68?[19:54:27] <stephenh> i didn't[19:54:33] *** TFGBD has quit IRC[19:54:39] <tabularasa> well, that is what DHCP runs on[19:54:46] <tabularasa> i don't see why that wouldn't work[19:55:18] <stephenh> 68 is the client though[19:55:18] <|Atum|> i imagine you're going to need direct server return[19:55:57] <stephenh> |Atum|: that's not a bad idea, the problem is I don't see any packets hitting my dhcp server[19:56:04] <stephenh> http://pastebin.com/eSDcGWAb[19:56:17] <tabularasa> er, 67[19:56:23] <stephenh> 172.16.10.0 is a /25[19:56:54] <stephenh> so in the second case i configured a helper to point to a random VIP on the NS[19:57:01] <stephenh> seeing as you have to create the service with * DHCPRA[19:57:58] <stephenh> 172.16.10.1 (fw) correctly sends the packet to the NS (.253), but the NS doesn't know what to do with it[19:57:59] *** klick_ has quit IRC[19:58:55] <stephenh> tabularasa: the DHCPRA service covers that :)[20:00:01] <stephenh> |Atum|: did you use the failover or load balancing option when using 2 helper addresses?[20:00:16] *** GentileBen has joined #Citrix[20:00:22] *** deunnero_web has quit IRC[20:00:39] <tabularasa> 10.5 does DHCPRA...[20:04:55] <tabularasa> you saying you cant setup 2 DHCPRA services pointint to AD1 and AD2, then setup an LB vServer between them?[20:06:05] <stephenh> no, I'm saying I can't have: DHCP client -> firewall/DHCP helper -> NS -> DHCP server[20:06:19] <stephenh> if take either helper or NS out of the loop, it works OK[20:06:27] <tabularasa> so, you already have set this up, and it fails[20:07:03] <stephenh> yes, although it's my first time doing DHCPRA, so thought I would ask if it possible and not me missing something[20:07:23] <tabularasa> yeah, stick around. uncon is an expert[20:07:49] <stephenh> (e.g. the documentation says using '*' as the vserver, and I was trying to use a specific IP to listen on and it did not work)[20:07:52] <stephenh> sure[20:08:00] <tabularasa> well, that makes no sense[20:08:09] <tabularasa> you make a vserver with the IP that you put in the helper-address command[20:08:44] <stephenh> you would think, but the documentation says "add lb vserver dhcp_vsvr DHCPRA * 67", if you try replace * with an IP it does not work[20:09:16] <tabularasa> where is the documentation?[20:09:34] <stephenh> hence why I tried configuring the helper address as a SNIP and as another VIP that already existed[20:09:38] <stephenh> http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX126081[20:10:54] <tabularasa> thats setting up the NS as a dhcp replay[20:11:04] <tabularasa> if i understand you correctly, thats not what you are trying to do[20:12:18] <stephenh> it is[20:12:29] <stephenh> client -> relay on firewall -> relay on netscaler -> dhcp server[20:12:44] <tabularasa> but you want it to LB, not just relay[20:13:30] <stephenh> doesn't really matter does it ?[20:13:39] <tabularasa> sure, it would be a different config[20:13:45] <stephenh> whether it's one dhcp server or two dhcp servers..[20:13:50] <stephenh> you still have a service and a vserver[20:14:08] <stephenh> it's one dhcp server, like the documentation[20:14:10] <tabularasa> sure, but not a * vserver[20:14:31] <tabularasa> well, at least not that i'd think[20:14:48] <tabularasa> i'd try to setup 2 services, and setup a vserver with an IP and use that as the helper address[20:14:52] <tabularasa> but, nfc[20:15:00] *** gaffahiro has joined #Citrix[20:15:16] *** kiste has joined #Citrix[20:15:24] <stephenh> doesn't matter, just means it listens on all IPs. which makes sense because the initial request from the client is a braodcast[20:15:33] <stephenh> yea.. I'm at a loss[20:15:40] <tabularasa> sure, but when it gets to the NS its unicast[20:15:56] <tabularasa> because the first helper will convert it from broadcast to unicast[20:16:05] <stephenh> this is true actually[20:16:22] <tabularasa> Thats why i think you'd need an IP[20:16:24] <stephenh> i'm going to give that a go, didn't think to change the * to an IP when adding a hlper[20:16:41] <tabularasa> let me know, now i'm curious. :)[20:16:47] <stephenh> going to do it right now :)[20:22:42] <stephenh> same thing unfortunately[20:23:08] <tabularasa> request not getting to domain controller?[20:23:14] <stephenh> nope[20:23:25] <stephenh> 19:19:03.195229 IP 172.16.10.1.bootps > 172.16.10.252.bootps: BOOTP/DHCP, Request from 00:50:56:b0:3b:8f (oui Unknown), length: 300[20:23:30] <stephenh> helper IP hits the vserver[20:23:36] <stephenh> but not seeing anything leave the NS[20:23:54] <stephenh> need to shoot for a bit but wil be back shortly[20:24:24] <tabularasa> that a packet capture?[20:25:47] <|Atum|> of course, want to test something in my 65 laba nd its busted :|[20:25:53] <tabularasa> yeah, it happens[20:26:53] *** zaveman has joined #Citrix[20:28:15] <|Atum|> For applications published through XenApp with a Client applications folder (also referred to as a Program Neighborhood folder) specified, you can specify that the client applications folder is to be appended to the shortcuts path as follows: Create the entry REG_SZ for UseCategoryAsStartMenuPath and give it the value "true". Use the same registry locations as noted above.[20:28:27] *** klick_ has joined #Citrix[20:28:34] <|Atum|> :\[20:28:43] <|Atum|> thats not a default?[20:30:06] <zaveman> Hey guys, hoping someone can help me. I have a XenDesktop 7.1 deployment that has been working fine for months. Today someone tried to login and connect to a Desktop and got a message saying there were no desktops assigned to the user, even tho there are. Did some googling looks like it can having something to do with the Delivery Controller, and I should change that from port 443 to 80, which allows me to then login as the user and[20:30:06] <zaveman> see the desktop but I can't launch it, says the desktop is unavailable. Sorry for the length but any ideas?[20:31:26] <zaveman> Something else to note I am getting a message sauing my certificate is about to expire but when I check it it won't expire until next month, but could that be the cause?[20:33:27] <|Atum|> nothing available sounds like apps didn't enumerate zaveman . check in storefront, store, manage delivery controllers, verify name/ip there and transport type (http or https). if its https, verify the cert bound in iis is correct/valid[20:33:38] *** PVSISSUE has joined #Citrix[20:34:59] <zaveman> |Atum|, that's the odd part, I verified the IP and the transport type has always been HTTPS, so for a test, I changed it to HTTP, which allow the desktops to enumerate, but I was unable to launch them, when you click the desktop it just says it's unavailable[20:35:10] <zaveman> Now the cert does expire next month[20:35:15] <zaveman> But as of now is still valid[20:35:40] <zaveman> But I'm wondering if maybe Citrix expires certs early? It's just a self signed one as it's communicating on the same internal network[20:35:45] <|Atum|> zaveman: are you using a netscaler too?[20:35:48] *** deunnero_web has joined #Citrix[20:35:52] <zaveman> |Atum|, yes[20:36:10] <|Atum|> zaveman: go to gateways section, secure ticket authority, modify those to reflect http/port 80[20:36:21] <|Atum|> also in your netscaler, netscaler gateway, virtua lserver, secure ticket authorities[20:36:36] <zaveman> |Atum|, ok ill make the changes now, and let you know, thanks[20:36:55] *** klick_ has quit IRC[20:39:34] *** telam_ has quit IRC[20:39:37] <|Atum|> tabularasa: were you asking about start menu autocreation?[20:39:39] <|Atum|> http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX140244[20:39:52] <tabularasa> nope, but thanks[20:40:28] <tabularasa> i had the SSO issue where the PNA wasn't logging into SF automatically[20:41:02] <|Atum|> oh[20:41:04] <|Atum|> did you fix it?[20:41:43] <MasterXen> Anyone got a copy of Receiver for Windows 4.2 (Tech Preview)?[20:42:44] <tabularasa> |Atum|: not sure yet[20:42:44] <tabularasa> :)[20:43:53] <tabularasa> MasterXen: not that i can see yet[20:44:06] <MasterXen> apparently its out there somewhere[20:44:44] <|Atum|> tabularasa: when you install receiver, use DONOTSTARTCC=1 switch, and reboot before doing the install[20:44:46] <|Atum|> er[20:44:48] <|Atum|> before launching[20:44:58] <|Atum|> in my experience, if you dont with passthru, you break it forever on[20:45:06] <|Atum|> even for other user profiles[20:58:19] *** hardlock has joined #Citrix[20:59:07] *** kiste has quit IRC[21:03:33] *** GentileBen has quit IRC[21:03:51] <damadhatter> If I install a new Citrix license for XenDesktop 7.5 anything I need to do after the fact? I am getting no licenses avaiable now :/[21:03:55] <damadhatter> but they show in the console[21:04:08] <damadhatter> i restarted the license service on my licensing server[21:08:30] <|Atum|> check lmdiag?[21:11:04] *** deunnero_web has quit IRC[21:11:51] <damadhatter> 3rd times a charm[21:12:00] <damadhatter> i reimported it 2 more times and it took the 3rd lol[21:23:30] *** E-Robb has joined #Citrix[21:24:02] *** gaffahiro has quit IRC[21:26:00] <E-Robb> Been noticing a few people's XD session locking up, not responsive when working. In pvs setup to cache in device RAM with overflow on hard disk. Max RAM is set to 320, is that too low?[21:30:24] *** vegbox has joined #Citrix[21:31:05] <vegbox> Strange, when I log in to desktops I get asked to reboot[21:35:27] <E-Robb> vegbox: something like this? http://i.imgur.com/Xxr3nXf.png[21:35:46] <vegbox> Yeah[21:38:10] <E-Robb> Not sure if this is the case, but we recently added some servers. Each time those VM booted from the new servers, we would see that.[21:38:34] <|Atum|> E-Robb: for desktop/vdi, 512 is a very nice number. 320 is probably not "too low" as it should failover to disk np[21:38:43] <|Atum|> vegbox Strange, when I log in to desktops I get asked to reboot <-- proc differences between hosts[21:38:53] <|Atum|> vegbox: start your master image on every host that has a different model proc[21:39:03] <|Atum|> then promote to maint/update mcs catalog[21:39:21] <E-Robb> On the Gold image, we...yeah what <|Atum|> said, lol[21:39:55] <vegbox> oh[21:39:57] <vegbox> thats right[21:40:04] <vegbox> my cluster is mixed[21:40:08] <vegbox> but still all intel[21:40:13] *** xraftx has joined #Citrix[21:41:52] <E-Robb> <|Atum|>: How about 64 bit environments, would 512 work? Testing that also[21:45:34] <|Atum|> E-Robb: "test and monitor" its really if you have enough writes to overflow, you might want to enlarge it if you have RAM[21:45:56] <|Atum|> E-Robb: http://blogs.citrix.com/2014/07/22/citrix-puts-storage-on-notice/[21:52:26] <|Atum|> Citrix abandoned 2.12 for sharefile sync? only see 2.10 now and support is saying 2.12 isnt supported...[21:53:48] <|Atum|> *sigh* or fail support[21:53:49] <MasterXen> 2.13 is out now[21:55:27] <|Atum|> nevermind[21:55:34] <|Atum|> This version of Sync is not certified for use in On-Demand mode. Please use ShareFile Sync for Windows 2.10 for On-Demand deployments.[21:55:37] <|Atum|> same for 2.12[22:03:51] *** gOODbOY has quit IRC[22:04:44] <MasterXen> how do you mean on demand mode?[22:06:30] *** qakhan has quit IRC[22:10:42] <|Atum|> MasterXen: ondemand sync is a feature where hte files are only stubs until you open it[22:10:49] <|Atum|> like onedrive in windows 8.1[22:10:58] <|Atum|> otherwise the entire folder structure you select is synced[22:11:06] <MasterXen> ahh right[22:11:10] <MasterXen> work under 2.13?[22:11:18] <|Atum|> only certified for 2.10[22:14:28] <MasterXen> ok cheers[22:15:28] *** E-Robb has quit IRC[22:18:24] *** Splatone has joined #Citrix[22:18:33] *** gaffahiro has joined #Citrix[22:18:59] <Splatone> yo[22:20:02] <|Atum|> hi[22:21:20] <Splatone> Ok so I just got bit by HRP4 for XA65[22:21:35] <Splatone> what hotfix fixes the default printer policy problem.[22:24:13] *** xraftx has quit IRC[22:33:05] <|Atum|> havent heard of that[22:36:59] <zaveman> |Atum|, sorry for the delay something came up but I changed the delivery controller to be HTTP instead of HTTPS, I also went into the netscaler didn't see anything in Global Settins under Bind/Unbind, but I cant seem to change the protocol of it, my only option is SSL, any idea?[22:38:58] <zaveman> If I got to the Published Applications tab, I can change the Secure Ticket Authorit Server to use an HTTP rather than an HTTPS address, but it doesnt seem to make a difference in launching the desktop, although now I see it when I click it I get a message saying "Cannot start desktop"[22:43:14] <|Atum|> zaveman: the sta's on the netscaler (and in storefront, gateways) should match. and be on a listening port that works (i.e. 80). You should just unbind the ones on 443 and add a new one by typing in http://ipORfqdn/scripts/ctxsta.dll[22:46:08] <zaveman> |Atum|, when I try to add a new Gateway Virtual server my only option for protocol is SSL over port 443.[22:46:49] <|Atum|> you dont add a new virtual server[22:46:52] <|Atum|> you add a new STA[22:47:24] <zaveman> Thats on the Published Applications Tab in the Virutal Server settings?[22:48:10] <|Atum|> Ya[22:48:27] <|Atum|> depending on your version of netscaler it might be worded differently but you're looking for "STA servers"[22:48:37] <|Atum|> click "add" to bind the new one, then unbind the existing[22:48:39] <|Atum|> then click ok[22:49:13] <zaveman> Yeah tried that but no dice same issue, cannot start desktop[22:49:33] <zaveman> added a new one and instead of using https I did http[22:49:48] <|Atum|> does it work , without the netscaler?[22:49:54] <|Atum|> just going to the sf load balance url?[22:50:05] <zaveman> Dunno let me try real quick[22:52:44] <zaveman> When I browse to the url locally I just get a list of files in the browser, odd[22:53:00] <zaveman> acutally wait[22:54:39] *** gaffahiro has quit IRC[22:55:09] <zaveman> Hmm my load balance virutal server says the connection is down[22:57:52] *** KaiForce has quit IRC[23:00:56] <|Atum|> *sigh XM* Before you install Device Manager, make sure you do the following: •Disable TCP/IP6[23:26:37] *** zaveman has quit IRC[23:52:41] *** MartynKeigher has quit IRC