November 10, 2014 
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November 10, 2014 [00:06:22] *** foogle has quit IRC[00:07:13] *** stryx` has quit IRC[00:08:24] *** stryx` has joined #Citrix[00:12:25] *** m3thod has quit IRC[00:21:38] *** gaffahiro has joined #Citrix[00:22:23] <gaffahiro> ok so these guys i used to work with apparently got a job with MS working on some investment bank client doing a citrix migration across europe ? what does that involve, i suspect its just a windows 7 or 8 upgrade but still might actually be citrix related[00:33:30] <|Atum|> 'doing a cirtix migration'[00:33:33] <|Atum|> thats awfully vague[00:34:01] <gaffahiro> ok Ill find out more details tomorrow[00:34:04] <gaffahiro> and let you know[01:11:04] *** m3thod has joined #Citrix[01:19:32] *** gaffahiro has quit IRC[01:22:08] *** damadhat has joined #Citrix[01:23:05] *** damadhatter has quit IRC[01:33:52] *** SYS_NOOB has quit IRC[02:03:28] *** MartynKeigher has joined #Citrix[02:23:05] *** _hardlock has joined #Citrix[02:26:17] *** hardlock has quit IRC[03:17:33] *** ghostmediapro has quit IRC[03:19:17] *** ghostmediapro has joined #Citrix[03:33:29] *** ghostmediapro has quit IRC[03:33:43] *** ghostmediapro_ has joined #Citrix[03:34:05] *** ghostmediapro_ is now known as ghostmediapro[03:34:05] *** ghostmediapro has joined #Citrix[05:00:09] *** mixomathoze has quit IRC[05:11:18] *** mixomathoze has joined #Citrix[05:23:00] *** Madden has quit IRC[05:23:23] *** Madden has joined #Citrix[05:23:32] *** stormlight has quit IRC[05:30:55] *** Madden has quit IRC[05:37:38] *** hightower4 has quit IRC[05:43:34] *** siddharthv_away is now known as siddharthv[06:07:57] *** hightower4 has joined #Citrix[07:26:15] *** MartynKeigher has quit IRC[07:29:48] *** msandbu has joined #Citrix[07:52:32] *** kiste has joined #Citrix[07:54:28] *** kiste1 has joined #Citrix[07:54:32] *** kiste1 has left #Citrix[07:57:30] *** kiste has quit IRC[08:00:40] *** boy has joined #Citrix[08:01:04] *** boy is now known as Guest92856[08:01:24] *** kiste has joined #Citrix[08:01:41] *** kiste has left #Citrix[08:01:51] *** Guest92856 has quit IRC[08:03:14] *** Lajo has joined #Citrix[08:03:40] *** kiste has joined #Citrix[08:03:44] *** chrisp1115 has joined #Citrix[08:06:45] *** Bsony has joined #Citrix[08:07:08] *** SpideR^ has joined #Citrix[08:22:08] *** chrisp1115 has quit IRC[08:27:31] *** chrisp1114 has joined #Citrix[09:22:37] *** jimb has quit IRC[09:57:01] *** GentileBen has joined #Citrix[09:58:55] *** klick_ has joined #Citrix[10:06:47] *** msandbu has quit IRC[10:08:25] *** msandbu has joined #Citrix[10:20:34] *** klick_ has quit IRC[10:22:29] *** face has joined #Citrix[10:23:16] *** faces has quit IRC[10:39:16] *** klick_ has joined #Citrix[10:43:50] *** hirogen has joined #Citrix[11:20:27] *** rr has joined #Citrix[11:38:13] *** msandbu has quit IRC[11:46:34] *** jonopcc has joined #Citrix[11:50:57] *** jonopcc has quit IRC[12:19:52] *** Lajo has quit IRC[12:31:44] <Grelot> I finally got the CCIA on the second try :D[12:31:47] <Grelot> Hello everyone[12:49:18] *** siddharthv is now known as siddharthv_away[13:04:27] *** Lajo has joined #Citrix[13:27:19] *** msandbu has joined #Citrix[13:27:25] <tabularasa> Grelot: congrats![13:28:03] <msandbu> Hi, anyone seen the issue with Office 2007 and XenApp 7.5 with a white line in the menu bar ?[13:28:18] <tabularasa> office 2007? heh[13:28:52] <msandbu> belive it or not :)[13:29:10] <tabularasa> i have not, though[13:31:12] *** evilman_work has quit IRC[13:31:20] <tabularasa> someone here had a quick storefront tip to enable SSO for the pna... |Atum| ?[13:32:30] <rr> hi guys[13:32:33] <rr> what is SSO?[13:32:37] <tabularasa> single sign-on[13:32:55] <rr> oh, thank you :)[13:32:57] <tabularasa> and good morning[13:33:09] <rr> good morning to you tabularasa[13:33:18] <rr> it's evening here[13:33:21] <rr> and raining :)[13:33:27] <tabularasa> ugh[13:33:31] <tabularasa> its morning, and cold here[13:33:56] <rr> it's monsoon in small part of asia here[13:34:10] <rr> raining starts in November[13:34:15] <rr> hence, November rain[13:34:47] <Grelot> where is that rr ?[13:35:08] <rr> Malaysia/Singapore[13:35:43] <Grelot> oh cool[13:38:05] <rr> guys, if i wanted to create a policy for - disable USB for user on XenDesktop, where should I start[13:38:23] <rr> can it be done on XD or do i need to apply GPO?[13:39:44] <Grelot> both[13:39:56] <Grelot> its more like a citrix policy in a gpo[13:40:55] <Grelot> then its a regular prohibit usb plug and play[13:43:06] *** evilman_work has joined #Citrix[13:44:21] *** StirCwazy has joined #Citrix[13:45:01] <rr> allright, from within Citrix, can you hint me where should i set this policy in?[13:45:30] <rr> i'm new to XD, was just playing around with it in lab[13:46:15] <Grelot> xd 7.X ?[13:46:56] <rr> 7.6[13:47:22] <Grelot> ok[13:47:25] <rr> it has Citrix Director, Scout, and others[13:47:34] <Grelot> Launch studio[13:47:37] <rr> i did install all of them since it was just a lab[13:47:41] <Grelot> go to policy[13:47:46] <Grelot> create a new one[13:48:04] <rr> thanks Grelot, you've been very helpful[13:48:25] <Grelot> filter on ICA\USB Devices[13:48:25] * rr digging[13:48:39] <Grelot> Client USB device redirection Prohibit[13:48:48] <Grelot> Client USB Plug and Play device redirection Prohibit[13:49:16] <rr> i'll take note of this first, will try it in lab later :)[13:49:25] <rr> thanks again[13:49:32] <Grelot> no problem :)[13:58:39] <Grelot> oh btw tabularasa, when can you pass your CCE-v ?[13:59:29] *** Booyah has joined #Citrix[14:00:04] *** Booyah has quit IRC[14:00:35] *** Booyah has joined #Citrix[14:02:59] <tabularasa> Grelot: i'll go back after the 21st[14:03:17] <Grelot> how long do you have to wait when you fail it ?.[14:04:20] <tabularasa> 2 weeks[14:15:27] <rr> i can't pay for the exam just to fail it[14:15:44] <rr> it costs me my left kidney[14:15:54] <tabularasa> i don't have a left kidney[14:16:00] <rr> i mean, few month salary to afford it[14:16:33] <rr> was it because you sold em all?[14:17:44] <Grelot> humm so I have to pass it this week if I want an other try[14:17:50] <tabularasa> yes[14:38:09] *** tdannecy has joined #Citrix[14:38:19] *** msandbu has quit IRC[14:39:44] *** bo has quit IRC[14:41:35] *** bo has joined #Citrix[14:42:38] *** Booyah has left #Citrix[14:47:40] *** Booyah has joined #Citrix[14:52:20] <JarianGibson> morning[14:54:46] <uncon> geez, my disks are dropping like flies...[14:54:53] <uncon> thanks, seagate[14:56:56] <tabularasa> hurtin[14:56:58] <tabularasa> morning JarianGibson[15:01:37] *** Mr_Tac has quit IRC[15:04:21] *** Mr_Tac has joined #Citrix[15:24:44] *** SpideR^ has quit IRC[15:31:35] *** MartynKeigher has joined #Citrix[15:32:26] *** tdannecy has quit IRC[15:41:26] *** laimheloc has joined #Citrix[15:49:02] <Booyah> hey guys, im having an issue. posted it on Saturday maybe someone can help today. "Binding/Unbinding Ciphers: ECDHE ciphers supported only on FE SSL entities on N3 MPX. [ECDHE]"[15:49:03] <Booyah> <Booyah> my main is a MPX secondary VPX[15:49:03] <Booyah> <Booyah> but i have about 10 VS and only 4 are giving me this error[15:49:03] <Booyah> <Booyah> the only difference i can tell is that the 4 giving the error are pointing to an old 5.5 farm[15:49:03] <Booyah> <Booyah> NS 5500 NS10.1: Build 125.8.nc[15:50:47] <Booyah> what i am trying to do, is assign the HIGH cipher group to all my VS[15:54:29] *** klick_ has quit IRC[15:54:34] *** anto9 has joined #Citrix[15:56:00] *** Lajo has quit IRC[16:03:52] *** tdannecy has joined #Citrix[16:04:20] *** anto9 has quit IRC[16:04:37] *** chrisp1114 has quit IRC[16:09:31] *** deunnero has joined #Citrix[16:14:34] *** hirogen has quit IRC[16:16:13] *** Zaith11 has joined #Citrix[16:16:42] <Zaith11> Good morning Citrix Channel[16:20:06] <tabularasa> good morning![16:20:31] <tabularasa> uncon: you around to help Booyah ?[16:21:46] *** evilman_work has quit IRC[16:27:55] <uncon> Booyah: you can bind exact same cipher group to other vservers?[16:31:27] *** tdannecy has quit IRC[16:33:49] *** tdannecy has joined #Citrix[16:36:14] <uncon> Booyah: also, support is added in 10.5 i think[16:42:21] *** jrecard has joined #Citrix[16:43:06] *** Squash has joined #Citrix[16:46:59] *** deunnero has quit IRC[16:52:48] *** dh64 has quit IRC[17:06:04] <GentileBen> tabularasa: when's your exam?[17:06:10] <GentileBen> Or did you already do it?[17:06:12] <tabularasa> haven't scheduled it yet[17:06:16] <tabularasa> oh, i failed[17:06:19] <tabularasa> it was friday'[17:06:22] <GentileBen> Oh, sorry to hear that.[17:06:23] <tabularasa> needed 55, got 54[17:06:25] <tabularasa> meh[17:06:28] <GentileBen> Out of what?[17:06:55] <GentileBen> If they're anything like other exams they won't rotate the questions too much.[17:07:21] <GentileBen> I'm not sure if I'm going to pass the EMC Cloud exam I have coming up.[17:07:23] <tabularasa> no, it was pretty much identical to the CCIA exam[17:07:24] <Grelot> 54%[17:07:26] <GentileBen> I could well fail that.[17:07:28] <tabularasa> i just need to go back over my notes.[17:07:29] <GentileBen> Oh.[17:07:44] <tabularasa> i have CCIA study materials somewhere[17:07:46] <GentileBen> There are lots of resources online.[17:07:50] <GentileBen> CCE-V?[17:07:53] <tabularasa> yeah[17:08:10] <GentileBen> I think there are dumps for those but I dunno if you want to use them.[17:08:18] <Grelot> I think the new xd handbook 7 is very useful[17:08:23] <tabularasa> i'm not a dumb kind of guy[17:08:26] <tabularasa> dump[17:08:26] <tabularasa> lol[17:08:30] <Grelot> haha[17:08:57] <Booyah> sorry @uncon im here[17:09:08] <Booyah> just spoke with Citrix[17:09:28] <uncon> Booyah: and?[17:09:36] <Booyah> they said that the ECDHE is not supported on my hardware[17:09:47] <Booyah> but they cannot explain why i get that error on on come CS[17:09:49] <Booyah> VS*[17:09:53] <Booyah> some*[17:10:06] <Grelot> 17:08 <GentileBen> I think there are dumps for those but I dunno if you want to use them.[17:10:25] <Grelot> even with dumb no sure you can pass it since the question depends on what you answered before[17:10:30] <Grelot> so many possibilities[17:10:36] <Booyah> even if the the HIGH cipher group is accepted does not mean the ECDHE is working[17:11:05] <Booyah> so they suggested i create a custom cipher group based on the HIGH and remove ECDHE[17:12:32] *** tdannecy has left #Citrix[17:15:27] *** Bsony has quit IRC[17:16:16] <Booyah> thanks for answering uncon btw[17:18:31] <uncon> Booyah: yeah, cool[17:21:46] *** Zaith11 has quit IRC[17:27:56] *** koss has joined #Citrix[17:28:50] <koss> in xendesktop is there a way to change amount of memory allocated to a machine collection?[17:29:01] <koss> (7.6)[17:32:50] <tabularasa> you mean change the amount of memory on the base image?[17:33:34] <koss> sure. and the actual live VMs[17:34:04] <koss> or do i have to rebuild them?[17:34:06] <tabularasa> well, you would have to alter the base image and roll them back out[17:34:13] <tabularasa> but for temp reasons, you can just add RAM to the VM[17:34:28] <koss> directly in vmware[17:34:33] <tabularasa> yes[17:34:55] <koss> also when i update the master image, any way to get it to instantly deploy to all VMs?[17:35:54] <koss> currently it dosen't, then when a user goes to login it times out because its making changes in vmware[17:37:23] *** xSnakeDoctor has joined #Citrix[17:39:14] <tabularasa> no, there is not[17:39:22] <tabularasa> XD or XA ?[17:39:52] *** av0idz has quit IRC[17:40:07] <tabularasa> meaning, you doing 1 to 1 desktops, or XA style?[17:43:53] <koss> XD[17:44:16] <koss> then is there any way to increase the timeout when a user trys to login?[17:44:25] <tabularasa> shouldn't take that long to roll it out thoguh[17:44:29] <koss> currently it gives up and fails[17:45:08] <tabularasa> you should make the change after hours anyway, imo[17:45:19] <koss> likely would be faster on a SAN -- this a POC/test on local disk[17:45:21] <koss> well that's the thing[17:45:27] <koss> i make the changes and it only applies it to a few machines[17:45:34] <koss> the rest don't do anything until someone trys to use them[17:45:38] <tabularasa> well, they need to reboot to get the change[17:45:44] <tabularasa> you doing pooled? persistent?[17:46:13] <koss> pooled i believe[17:46:24] <koss> you get a random desktop every time you login[17:47:39] <tabularasa> yeah, they need to reboot[17:47:42] <tabularasa> MCS, i assume[17:52:13] <TFGBD> Has anyone ever tried Citrix on Hyper-V server?[17:52:21] *** kiste has left #Citrix[17:54:24] *** evilman_work has joined #Citrix[17:54:31] <Grelot> yep[17:54:34] *** av0idz has joined #Citrix[17:57:14] <TFGBD> I don't mean on Hyper-V[17:57:22] <TFGBD> I mean on the OS called Hyper-V Server[17:58:18] <TFGBD> The Windows Server HyperCore edition.[17:58:28] <TFGBD> It's basically a free Windows Server 2008/2008r2/2012/2012r2 license.[17:58:44] <Grelot> yeah, its pretty much the same[17:58:52] <TFGBD> It seems like it might be an interesting way to save on a windows license if you just need a simple app server or something.[17:58:57] <Grelot> you just have to run the mmc elsewhere[17:59:02] <TFGBD> Yeah[17:59:14] <TFGBD> I dunno, I had mine pretty pimped out last time I tried it.[17:59:20] <Grelot> or become a powershell guru[17:59:24] <TFGBD> It still runs a bunch of apps like chrome or Firefox[17:59:38] <TFGBD> Or just use taskmgr.exe's Run dialog ;P[18:00:00] <TFGBD> You can use Notepad's fileopen dialog as an explorer too[18:00:10] <TFGBD> It still runs a bunch of apps like chrome or Firefox[18:00:19] <TFGBD> Seems like it would be great for kiosk applications.[18:01:15] <TFGBD> I was just wondering if the Citrix RDP addons would run on it[18:01:39] <TFGBD> I mean it requires Windows Server but does it care about the edition?[18:02:02] <TFGBD> Can you install XenApp on a Server Core installs?[18:02:30] <TFGBD> I mean if you're using seamless windows, the shell being there shouldn't even matter, right?[18:02:36] <Grelot> Hmm, I don't think so but since everything is in powershell since 7 maybe[18:02:51] <TFGBD> Guess I'll just have to try it[18:03:27] <Grelot> yeah tell me your results :)[18:03:33] <TFGBD> I may take a video :P[18:03:56] <TFGBD> There really seems to be a lack of people who really care about/want to mess with HyperCore[18:04:27] <Grelot> I think its because of the troubleshooting[18:04:42] <TFGBD> I dunno.[18:04:57] <TFGBD> It's still Windows NT and it's not like it can't still run Windows GUI apps...[18:05:31] <Grelot> it can run gui apps ?[18:05:36] <TFGBD> Sure[18:05:39] <Grelot> I though it was all ps[18:05:58] <TFGBD> I've installed Opera, Firefox, Chrome, VMWare and VirtualBox on mine.[18:06:31] <TFGBD> It's just a Windows without explorer, sound, etc that boots to cmd.exe as it's shell sort of like Safe Mode with Command Prompt.[18:06:44] <TFGBD> Sometimes I copy the ReactOS explorer if I want a shell[18:06:57] <Grelot> oh I learned something today :)[18:07:02] <Grelot> thanks[18:07:06] <TFGBD> But really, I even run some of my desktops without the shell sometimes[18:07:23] <TFGBD> All I really need if taskmgr.exe to launch apps and kill processess[18:07:41] <TFGBD> is*[18:07:52] <TFGBD> Yeah. I assumed that would be obvious[18:08:03] <Grelot> you can do that through ps :)[18:08:14] <Grelot> just become a ps guru, problem solved ^^[18:08:18] <TFGBD> why bloat up the machine with that and not just use cmd.exe[18:08:31] <TFGBD> If you just want to run an .exe, I mean[18:08:39] <Grelot> oh yeah[18:08:41] <jrecard> depending on the country you run this in, you probably still violate the eula when copying stuff from a licensed windows copy into the hyper-v version[18:08:46] <TFGBD> But MS has a real problem marketing Hyper-V ServerCore, I guess[18:08:52] <TFGBD> I guess they secretly don't want to[18:09:00] <TFGBD> Cuz it is a free Windows, afterall ;P[18:10:12] <TFGBD> Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a license violation to use it as a RemoteApp server or something[18:10:21] <TFGBD> But I guess the real question is if anyone would care[18:10:28] <TFGBD> I mean it's free[18:10:52] <TFGBD> Though, I think TECHNICALLY it is just set to have like a 50 year timebomb.[18:11:04] <jrecard> lol[18:11:52] <jrecard> the license problems is why nobody actually bothers to use it as what you propose to use it[18:12:25] <TFGBD> jrecard: I can use Hyper-V as a workstation just fine without using anything other than 3rd party freeware/open source stuff.[18:12:56][18:13:21] <TFGBD> But where's the fun in that?[18:13:24] <jrecard> it would be worth it just for learning purposes, but you probably hit other limitations, problems which eat up time[18:13:29] <TFGBD> I like being cheap :P[18:13:32] <jrecard> fun in working with computers?[18:13:53] <TFGBD> You don't actually like computers?[18:14:16] <jrecard> probably when i was 14 i liked them, nowadays they are just fancy looking multi-function screwdrivers for me[18:14:43] <jrecard> a tool that gets the job done[18:15:18] <TFGBD> i guess everyone gets tired of stuff eventually.[18:16:39] <jrecard> i still rather work with computers then humans, alot easier to blame yourself and adapt then blaming guys that work for you[18:24:17] <TFGBD> Here's an example of what I'm talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIqOSsoGe1g[18:31:00] *** irreverant has joined #Citrix[18:31:03] <irreverant> hola![18:31:22] <irreverant> what are the main reasons someone wouldn't be able to access citrix.domain.com even if they have the receiver installed?[18:31:28] <irreverant> trusted sites zone and what else?[18:34:30] *** irreverant has left #Citrix[18:49:37] <jrecard> TFGBD, not really sure if its the perfect os for a workstation, probably a cheap way, but like i mentioned before, some tasks will take alot longer i guess[18:49:58] *** deunnero has joined #Citrix[18:50:00] <jrecard> how about stuff like .net support? lots of gui-programs use that nowadays[18:51:19] <jrecard> i would rather go with a frequent used linux, easier to solve problems their and its still able to run most windows programs either by emulation or by using test-version of windows that i just reinstall every 90days ...[18:54:56] <TFGBD> Yeah, it lacks sound ;P[18:55:13] <TFGBD> It ships .NET for the PowerShell[18:55:38] <TFGBD> It does have problems with directx from what I've heard, though[18:55:58] <TFGBD> wine isn't too good with newer stuff[18:56:51] <TFGBD> HyperCore seems like a nice cheap Windows for VPSes and the like too[18:57:12] <TFGBD> Since some of them charge you for a license if you want to use Windows and require it to be properly licenses[18:57:16] <TFGBD> licensed*[19:04:05] <jrecard> yeah so more for small-budget projects/startup where you hopefully dont have to pay the admin configuring the thing and then only for one-purpose-app-servers it makes sense ... as workstation its fade more and more away :D[19:04:31] <TFGBD> Oh, sure[19:05:04] <TFGBD> I do most of my computing from RDP, though. so that would be "workstation" enough for me[19:05:36] <TFGBD> Yeah, it seems like a very interesting thing to use for extremely budget conscious projects[19:05:52] <jrecard> i would have a hardtime missing lots of graphical libs, as i work with videos/photos alot[19:06:17] <TFGBD> Probabaly depends on your app[19:06:19] <jrecard> i probably try this thing out with some signature servers in the company that still run on windows xp[19:06:38] <TFGBD> Ahh, interesting ide[19:06:41] <TFGBD> idea*[19:06:52] <jrecard> as we have full control of the signature software should be possible to get it to run there, thats something like one-purpose-app-server[19:06:56] <TFGBD> though, keep in mind that the compat stuff seems a bit more broken than a full install[19:07:03] <TFGBD> it does have wow64, though[19:07:11] <TFGBD> Cool![19:07:15] <TFGBD> Glad I could inspire you! :P[19:07:37] <TFGBD> Just use something statically compiled/open source like VLC if you want video.[19:07:50] <TFGBD> I haven't tried the Windows 10 one yet. It may/may not be better[19:08:45] <TFGBD> Are these Windows XP app servers multi user?[19:09:00] <TFGBD> How are these implemented and why XP and not Server 2003?[19:09:04] <TFGBD> Edition issues with an app?[19:09:30] <jrecard> no users are actually connected to these, its just an application-server, everything runs integrated into a bigger software-construct over networks[19:09:40] <jrecard> and there are probably 50 of these[19:10:08] <TFGBD> But you need to run a GUI app on it via RDP?[19:10:38] <jrecard> nope, we need to run a gui-app all the time on it, we just use dameware/rdp to control it now[19:10:55] <TFGBD> will need to look into dameware[19:11:02] <jrecard> the core-software can even be installed as service and you can use the gui remotly[19:11:16] <TFGBD> HyperCore has full Server edition RDP with concurrent sessions, etc.[19:11:31] <TFGBD> I assume RemmoteApp should work too if you make the right .rdp file[19:12:02] <TFGBD> jrecard: so it doesn't really even need RDP?[19:12:17] <jrecard> nope[19:12:40] <jrecard> it probably needs a windows csp :D[19:12:53] <jrecard> iam not so sure about that, have to talk to the programmers and see what happens :D[19:13:38] <TFGBD> it's worth a try[19:13:44] <TFGBD> all it can do is now work[19:13:57] <TFGBD> not*[19:14:25] <jrecard> absolutly, thanks for the suggestion[19:15:54] <TFGBD> Sometimes I scoff at this nonsense about "not supported"[19:15:57] <TFGBD> If it works it works.[19:16:06] <TFGBD> Period.[19:16:21] <TFGBD> I just uploaded a bunch of the RTM HyperCores here in case MS takes them down sometime: https://archive.org/details/WindowsHyperVServerRTM[19:16:41] <TFGBD> Still looking for the Vista/2008 one, though :/[19:16:49] <TFGBD> They killed the link already[19:18:18] <TFGBD> Ya know, gotta collect em all ;P[19:21:10] <jrecard> we have all the gaylord ms login stuff for gold partners ... its annoying as fuck ... but you can still download all the crappy stuff[19:21:53] <jrecard> we probably use 90% opensource software in the company, the last 10% is majorly because customers use that crap[19:22:08] <TFGBD> So you don't even like MS?[19:22:11] *** GyrosGeier has joined #Citrix[19:22:30] <jrecard> i dont hate them, i just dont like their style of configuring, a linux/unix os is alot easier for me ;)[19:22:42] <TFGBD> less clicking, though[19:22:57] *** GyrosGeier has left #Citrix[19:23:02] <TFGBD> though, I must admit, after getting used to it and memorizing some program names, apt-get is pretty neat[19:23:06] <jrecard> exactly, i can work alot faster with ten fingers then i do when iam just a two-finger joe[19:23:20] <TFGBD> Also, PowerShell seems horrible.[19:23:38] <TFGBD> all those long ass, way too detailed commands?![19:24:04] <jrecard> yeah i agree, i mainly used it to control exchange environments, its annoying as fuck but gets the job done ... unlike the gui[19:24:27] <TFGBD> no GUI for exchange?[19:24:44] <tabularasa> be a man[19:24:45] <jrecard> we have a gui, but you cant get the information so easy there[19:25:03] <jrecard> i think its impossible to install exchange on a headless windows server[19:25:14] <jrecard> atleast i remember something like it[19:25:22] <TFGBD> RDP does not count as headless, I assume[19:26:02] <TFGBD> not even with command line switches with the installer?[19:26:15] <jrecard> nah i mean the windows way of installing it without a gui[19:26:22] <TFGBD> Oh.[19:26:30] <jrecard> there was a option for it in windows server 2008 when i remember right[19:26:43] <TFGBD> 2008 or 2008R2?[19:26:50] <TFGBD> 2 different OSes, really[19:27:04] <TFGBD> Gotta love those confusing MS marketing names ;P[19:27:13] <jrecard> i think it was 2008r2 ... basically there are running all the same shitty for me :D[19:27:29] <TFGBD> It made a lot more sense when they just called it Windows NT Server and Workstation[19:27:33] <jrecard> hardly gets over a year uptime on a windows server[19:28:08] <TFGBD> cuz updates?[19:28:23] <jrecard> exactly, lots of leaks, and updates that update the leaks :D[19:28:29] <TFGBD> I'm sure NT machines would get decent uptime if you don't do the updates[19:28:45] <TFGBD> Now server Windows 8.1 gets to be called Windows Server 2012r2 (but it's from 2013)[19:28:49] <jrecard> linux is hardly different from that, its imo even harder to maintain then a windows system[19:28:58] <TFGBD> Citrix's marketing seems just as ridicious[19:29:04] <TFGBD> Like 5 names for the same thing[19:29:08] <jrecard> especially when you start hitting the end of your distro lifetime ... some distros have 1 year cycle terms[19:29:19] <TFGBD> Yes, linux seems to break when you run out of disk space[19:29:30] <TFGBD> Ubuntu seems even less than a year[19:29:42] <TFGBD> I find that kind of crazy[19:29:44] <jrecard> hmm i never have really a problem with that, but iam really an storage expert when it comes to diy ;)[19:29:57] <tabularasa> you must be good with XenServer then[19:30:03] <TFGBD> Especially when you look and Windows XP and consider NT4 still has a lot of life left in it even today[19:30:12] <jrecard> yeah, builded some xenserver-drbd clusters[19:30:34] <jrecard> even have a xenserver-pool with ceph-storage ;)[19:30:39] <TFGBD> It still weirds me out Citrix bought Xen and then placed their name in all their products[19:31:25] <jrecard> TFGBD, while you say that ... some of the managers thought that xen-app and xen-server must be related, so he bought all the xen-app books haha[19:31:38] <jrecard> we never ever used xen-app[19:31:40] <tabularasa> lol[19:32:03] <TFGBD> Wha, isn't that the purpose of this channel[19:32:19] <TFGBD> Or has it expanded to the virtualization offerings too[19:32:29] <tabularasa> this channel? Its all Citrix products[19:32:38] <tabularasa> what did you think it was?[19:32:50] <TFGBD> But years back I assume it was just MF/PS/XA[19:33:06] <jrecard> TFGBD, there are xenserver specific channels tough, but in the past we were like 20 people in here ;)[19:33:07] <tabularasa> i tell you when i started it, it was mostly MF/PS/XA, for sure[19:33:08] <tabularasa> and XD, really[19:33:44] <TFGBD> Okay, so that's more proof this market if ridiculous[19:33:54] <TFGBD> Do they almost want to confuse people?[19:34:02] <tabularasa> yeah, it seems that way, for sure. lol[19:34:07] <TFGBD> Does it trick them into buying stuff they don't want?[19:34:10] <TFGBD> Ms does it too[19:34:27] <jrecard> TFGBD, its just communitys building and people like tabularasa that stay here for years are a big part of it[19:34:32] <TFGBD> Like, they renamed Windows CE 4.0 "CE .NET" and it didn't even ship with a .NET runtime...[19:34:55] <tabularasa> yeah, that was near the dumbest thing ever[19:34:56] <jrecard> the channels on freenode mostly dont represent marketing techniques[19:35:01] <TFGBD> See, the stuff never confused me because I pay attention[19:35:07] <jrecard> just techy people helping each other[19:35:11] <TFGBD> But I can't imagine it's easy for people who don't care to know[19:36:16] <TFGBD> Remember when they renamed Pocket PC Phone Edition, Pocket PC and Smartphone to Professional, Classic and Standard? ;P[19:37:46] <jrecard> microsoft is full of bullshit, my outlook 2010 edition lacks stuff my outlook 2007 had .. i cant import a xls file as task-list ...[19:38:13] <jrecard> microsoft --- breaking my workflow since 1999 ...[19:38:21] <TFGBD> A lot of companies have been doing this lately and it sucks[19:38:30] <TFGBD> They've been dumping down new versions more and more[19:38:42] <TFGBD> dumbing*[19:38:51] <TFGBD> Removing features that are "not popular", etc[19:39:02] <jrecard> yeah and then you can buy app-extensions in the market :D[19:39:06] <TFGBD> I'm still pissed about that ribbon bar.[19:39:12] <tabularasa> haha[19:39:21] <tabularasa> i'm pissed about having a tile interface on SERVER 2012...[19:39:34] <jrecard> thats why i refuse to use it at all[19:39:36] <TFGBD> Thankfully, there is Start8, etc[19:39:39] <tabularasa> "turn off tile interface" GPO....[19:39:42] <TFGBD> and like 50 others by now[19:39:43] <tabularasa> i mean, really..[19:39:44] <TFGBD> lol[19:39:52] <TFGBD> It's thankfully in Windows 10[19:39:52] <tabularasa> sure, i know that.. its beside the point[19:39:55] <tabularasa> i don't even use that shit anyway[19:40:03] <tabularasa> i just have a cmd and pull everywhere from that[19:40:12] <TFGBD> But so far, Win10 doesn't seem to have the same degree of start menu functionality as Vista/7 if I'm being honest[19:40:16] <tabularasa> i know, pretty much, everything i need to get to from cmd[19:40:24] <TFGBD> It didn't even seem to let me run certain apps as admin from it[19:40:25] <jrecard> i still use the same windows gui on my windows 7 systems than i would have used back in 2001[19:40:37] <jrecard> beside the startmenu, i liked the windows xp one[19:40:38] <TFGBD> I like windows classic too[19:40:44] <TFGBD> But they removed it in Windows 8[19:40:55] <jrecard> another one i refuse to use[19:41:01] <TFGBD> Except I recently found out they actually DIDN't[19:41:20] <TFGBD> It's still there because I guess it has to be but they just make it harder to disable the skinning[19:41:38] <TFGBD> And the DWM depends on it or something[19:41:51] <jrecard> and as all my it-colleagues are using that new gui stuff iam allways alone with that ... the other side in the company are guys that use super-old openbsd systems[19:42:09] <jrecard> but they lack serious support for stuff like looking at websites :D[19:42:23] <TFGBD> I only have 8 because this laptop came with it but it actually seems to even support XP[19:42:25] <jrecard> i allways mock them with youtube links lol[19:42:34] <jrecard> because i know they cant watch them[19:43:06] <TFGBD> Really, most of the people I've met seem to hate the Windows 8 Metro UI[19:43:19] <jrecard> you just met another one[19:43:37] <TFGBD> Though, I admit I don't even use it that much because i just use run to launch most things I want[19:43:45] <TFGBD> And I use a lot of portable apps these days[19:44:13] <TFGBD> Though, it's not like I use anything newer than Word 2002 either[19:44:21] <TFGBD> It can still read docx[19:44:48] <jrecard> i wouldnt care really if it is server-gui that much, because i hardly look at server-guis of windows-systems nowadays (iam mainly doing infrastructure stuff like virtualization, storage, routing, network, etc ... ) but as workstation-gui ... no way[19:45:33] <TFGBD> My mom calls the metro apps the "help me get out of this program" programs[19:45:35] <jrecard> i probably would just start using linux as main-os, install windows 8/10 in a vm and run programs seamlessly into the linux gui[19:46:15] <TFGBD> Linux does seem like an okay way to run XP if your machine lacks drivers for it[19:46:53] <jrecard> i mostly have a hardtime finding linux drivers for some exotic stuff, especially on notebooks[19:47:08] <TFGBD> Oh, then I guess it wouldn't be much better[19:47:09] <jrecard> for windows its alot easier[19:47:40] <jrecard> alltough stuff like graphics, audio, network mostly dont make problems under linux anymore[19:48:33] <jrecard> and why i said that ... my nowadays main system at home is a amd/ati-based linux mint system ... and apt-get dist upgrade broke the ati-driver/x-configuration[19:48:49] <TFGBD> I was pleasently surprised that this 2013 laptop still has XP drivers for all the hardware if you google a bit[19:48:59] <jrecard> thats why i actually have this old windows system started since some days ... to lazy to fix it :D[19:49:14] <TFGBD> Yeah, for the most part, windows "just works"[19:49:28] <TFGBD> And yo don't need to install a new copy every 6 months just to run a newer browser ;P[19:50:48] <TFGBD> Even NT4 has a modern Webkit HTML5 browser now[19:51:09] <jrecard> i even tryed a full opensource workflow of video-editing and photo-editing on it ... and for the most part it worked ... just had todo some photos of a weekend session on my windows system ... forgot how easy it was :D[19:51:29] <jrecard> not once need to open a cmd-line tool lol[19:51:55] <TFGBD> Ehh, I do sometimes[19:52:13] <TFGBD> like, I wanted to batch upload stuff to Internet Archive and they're all obsessed with python crap[19:52:29] <TFGBD> And there are no GUI tools to speak of outside a crappy web uploader[19:53:01] <jrecard> looked into the opensource xenserver code ... they are obsessed with ocaml ...[19:53:26] <TFGBD> What even is that?[19:53:47] <jrecard> thats what about 20 programmers asked when i asked them if they do know shit about it[19:54:21] <TFGBD> I never even heard of that.[19:54:28] <TFGBD> Is it some kind of scripting language?[19:55:05] <jrecard> not really, its compilable objective programming language[19:56:25] <jrecard> the compiled stuff is basically as fast as c++ stuff, but i was about the same when i started looking into xenserver at the start of the year[19:59:01] <TFGBD> Why not just use C++?[20:00:58] <jrecard> i have no idea, and nobody in the xenserver-dev channel ever answered that question :D[20:01:04] <jrecard> probably some fetish[20:01:25] <jrecard> i think the same about java and ruby stuff btw ..[20:03:21] <TFGBD> i get you[20:03:32] <TFGBD> I don't like this fancy modern scripted and interpreted stuff either[20:06:16] *** Karambol has quit IRC[20:06:47] <jrecard> yeah lets me come back to my screwdriver analogy ... i like quality tools of good manufacturing with a nice quality assurance[20:07:42] <jrecard> lots of the fast scripted stuff looks like it was done with cheap outsourced programmers, especially graphical looks nowadays arent anywhere tested really[20:09:04] <jrecard> but hey most of us probably live of fast-scripted stuff ... because 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I was going to install the Beta on a host today but now wondering if I should wait a week if the RC or stable are released.[21:34:44] <davidh> I'm guessing no one can confirm how long until release[21:35:17] <deunnero> davidh: I had to use the latest beta for this one machine.[21:35:39] <deunnero> davidh: drivers weren't detected on the stable version... From what I can tell it's doing just fine though.[21:37:27] <davidh> yeah I am running an early alpha on another box without much problem. I just dont wanna install the beta and go trhoguh the trouble of configuring it if it's gonna drop next week[21:43:32] <deunnero> davidh: makes sense... unfortunately we didn't have a choice in the matter. :S[21:44:08] <deunnero> davidh: cause the drivers weren't supported in the beta... usb and networking was all screwed up. lol.. burned the beta iso and voila it worked lol[21:44:37] <deunnero> davidh: although an enormous amount of testing time passed before I got to that point[21:59:31] <jrecard> if you read enough into the process how a new xenserver release is made it probably is months away[21:59:39] *** gaffahiro has joined #Citrix[22:00:30] <jrecard> the whole process seemed to be sloopy/slowly since the opensource opening ... and especially very intransparent, the xen team made some of the developer/testing tools available some months ago afaik[22:00:54] <jrecard> have you tried building the drivers yourself?[22:01:17] <jrecard> on a seperate box with the same kernel and developertools installed?[22:02:54] *** Booyah has quit IRC[22:09:22] *** damadhat has quit IRC[22:09:30] *** damadhatter has joined #Citrix[22:11:43] *** Squash has quit IRC[22:18:57] *** Madden has joined #Citrix[22:23:02] <deunnero> jrecard: i had the drivers and everything... just couldn't find a half decent guide...[22:24:19] <deunnero> and unfortunately... because the usb devices weren't detected didn't really have any way of getting the drivers in[22:28:59] *** Booyah has joined #Citrix[22:31:39] <jrecard> do you have them as kernel modules?[22:31:45] <jrecard> try loading them[22:32:03] <jrecard> lots of guides out there that show howto load linux kernel driver modules[22:39:10] <deunnero> eh, it's too late now xD[22:39:17] <deunnero> We had to give the server back.[22:39:45] *** davidh has quit IRC[22:42:13] *** Booyah has quit IRC[22:43:11] <TFGBD> Can someone tell me what the first Citrix client for Android was?[22:43:28] <TFGBD> Was it always called Citrix Reciever or did it use a different name a few years ago?[22:43:39] <tabularasa> online plugin[22:43:42] <tabularasa> pnagent[22:43:54] <tabularasa> oh, for android[22:48:42] <TFGBD> yeah[22:49:45] <tabularasa> nfc[22:50:43] <TFGBD> Also, if anyone has one from like client v 11 or 12 era, it would be great.[22:50:59] <tabularasa> you making a museum? ;)[22:52:36] <TFGBD> I want it for WinFrame[22:53:21] <TFGBD> I'm not sure the latest one will work.[22:53:42] <TFGBD> didn't try it, though[22:53:53] <TFGBD> Is there any way to feed it a direct IP?[22:54:04] <TFGBD> Guess I can try an ICA file[22:54:04] <tabularasa> you can try the quick launch tool[22:54:18] <TFGBD> IS that an android app?[22:54:22] <tabularasa> no[22:54:29] <tabularasa> you still doing android, sorry..[23:03:48] *** deunnero has left #Citrix[23:04:32] *** MasterXen has joined #Citrix[23:09:47] *** gaffahiro has quit IRC[23:18:07] <TFGBD> It's funny you mention the Quick Launch tool since I just installed that the other day[23:18:21] <TFGBD> Why doesn't Citrix want people to just type in an IP anymore?[23:18:33] <TFGBD> They assume users are too retarded to want to do that?