November 6, 2014 
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November 6, 2014 [00:08:22] *** MartynKeigher has quit IRC[00:08:23] <|Atum|> http://support.citrix.com/proddocs/topic/user-profile-manager-5-x/upm-configure-folder-redirection-5x.html[00:08:26] <|Atum|> is eDocs lying?[00:08:33] <|Atum|> Important: You must perform all configuration for folder redirection using the Profile management ADM or ADMX file.[00:08:38] <|Atum|> its available in studio policy[00:16:35] *** Bsony has quit IRC[00:27:23] <|Atum|> XenServer, xe vm-param-set uuid=<vm-uuid> platform:vgpu_vnc_enabled=false executed that on a UUID[00:27:30] <|Atum|> doesnt seem to diasble the console[00:27:32] <|Atum|> any ideas?[00:50:53] *** Bsony has joined #Citrix[00:54:19] *** thomas123 has joined #Citrix[00:54:46] <thomas123> still banging my head upon thy wall - the mystery of the missing 'server manager' in 2012 R2. posted a thread here if anyone has any ideas...[00:54:47] <thomas123> http://discussions.citrix.com/topic/357590-server-manager-disappeared-for-admins-after-vda-install/[00:57:56] *** face has quit IRC[01:01:42] *** Bsony has quit IRC[01:12:21] <Elsa--> Hi Thomas - can you run the ServerManager.exe directly? %SystemRoot%\system32\ServerManager.exe[01:49:09] *** DavidF has quit IRC[01:53:52] <thomas123> Elsa - I'll check[01:54:32] <thomas123> I'll have to check tomorrow[01:55:15] <thomas123> all i know at this time is it does not show up in searh, and the icon in Control Panel is broken/blank - clicking on it does not run anything[01:56:58] <Elsa--> sounds like some kind of .exe restriction on the local policies of the server.[01:57:36] <Elsa--> i know that if you disable Control Panel with Group policy it shows up in search, but you can't click on it (when you do it disappears)[01:57:50] <thomas123> it does. i could not find anything though. i got on another xendesktop 7.6 install - same issue[01:58:09] <thomas123> only domain\administrator has access to server manager. even local admin on the box does not[01:58:12] <Elsa--> are the servers running as xenapp or as xendesktop desktops ?[01:58:23] <Elsa--> (sorry, i'm new to the terminology)[01:58:48] <thomas123> installed the xendesktop vda - 7.6 for publishing both apps and desktps.[02:00:07] <Elsa--> I've just logged onto a 7.5 Xendesktop farm and gotten a 2012 R2 Server manager window up , but not sure if that'll help your troubleshooting[02:00:15] <Elsa--> (as a local user)[02:02:29] <thomas123> very odd[02:02:39] <thomas123> thanks for the feedback, i'll continue to troubleshoot tomorrow[02:03:06] <Elsa--> Have you checked your Citrix Policies? maybe there's something in there that restricts it.[02:08:01] *** unop has quit IRC[02:08:50] <LouPetridish> hey speaking of XenDesktop 7.5 anyone have issues when giving the machine a personal vDisk? By issues I mean nothing but a black screen and never loads the desktop. Only seems to happen for me when I try to build a machine with a personal vDisk.[02:11:20] <thomas123> i gave them a quick check, didn't see anything. then disabled all citrix policies and ran some tests. same problem. i don't recall there being anything in there, but i'll go through more thoroughly tomorrow[02:12:17] *** Bsony has joined #Citrix[02:16:34] *** Bsony has quit IRC[02:22:48] *** _hardlock has joined #Citrix[02:25:05] *** hardlock has quit IRC[02:51:11] *** uncon has quit IRC[02:53:10] *** uncon has joined #Citrix[03:06:11] *** rr has quit IRC[03:07:49] *** MasterXen has quit IRC[03:10:10] *** MasterXen has joined #Citrix[03:22:59] *** LouPetridish has quit IRC[03:23:17] *** LouPetridish has joined #Citrix[03:23:47] <LouPetridish> Anyone know how to change the NetworkId and RootId of the hostingunits?[03:25:41] <LouPetridish> all I can change is the networkpath and i dont need to change that. I need to change the networkid[03:38:39] <Elsa--> No idea :\[03:45:16] <LouPetridish> yeah I don't think think its an option[03:45:29] <LouPetridish> I tried to type in some of the name and tab and it only picks up networkpath[03:45:57] <LouPetridish> I wonder if the .vmx file through vSphere will have all of the hostingunit information[03:52:52] *** stormlight has quit IRC[03:53:19] *** stormlight has joined #Citrix[03:58:03] *** stormlight has quit IRC[04:44:46] *** LouPetridish has quit IRC[04:47:11] *** rr has joined #Citrix[04:53:46] *** xraftx has joined #Citrix[04:54:04] <xraftx> hi[04:54:18] <xraftx> anybody implementing vpn with netscaler?[04:54:33] *** a_Vz has joined #Citrix[04:55:14] <xraftx> a_Vz: hola[04:55:33] <a_Vz> hola xraftx[05:04:15] *** xraftx has left #Citrix[05:04:16] *** mixomathoze has quit IRC[05:08:13] *** a_Vz has quit IRC[05:09:47] *** mixomathoze has joined #Citrix[05:13:33] *** stormlight has joined #Citrix[05:19:07] *** stormlight has quit IRC[05:22:34] *** thomas123 has quit IRC[05:37:37] *** SYS_NOOB has quit IRC[06:09:42] *** siddharthv_away is now known as siddharthv[06:14:27] *** deunnero2 has joined #Citrix[06:14:32] <deunnero2> omggggggg[06:14:42] <deunnero2> anybody here?[06:20:52] *** Guil has joined #Citrix[06:21:15] *** Guil has quit IRC[06:21:16] *** stormlight has joined #Citrix[06:21:22] <deunnero2> hey stormlight[06:21:32] *** Guil has joined #Citrix[06:21:41] <deunnero2> hey Guil[06:27:40] *** Guil has quit IRC[06:35:35] *** deunnero1 has joined #Citrix[06:37:19] *** deunnero2 has quit IRC[06:45:43] *** deunnero1 has left #Citrix[07:10:45] *** stormlight has quit IRC[07:25:40] *** kiste has joined #Citrix[07:28:41] *** kiste has quit IRC[07:32:38] *** kiste has joined #Citrix[07:42:30] *** Tic77 has joined #Citrix[07:52:15] *** kiste has quit IRC[07:54:29] *** kiste has joined #Citrix[07:55:57] *** Lajo has joined #Citrix[08:11:21] *** kiste has quit IRC[08:39:16] *** Tic77 has quit IRC[08:41:00] *** kiste has joined #Citrix[08:45:29] *** kiste1 has joined #Citrix[08:46:43] *** EspenN has left #Citrix[08:47:10] *** kiste has quit IRC[08:48:44] *** klick_ has joined #Citrix[08:49:35] *** klick_ has quit IRC[08:53:06] *** Tic77 has joined #Citrix[08:56:45] *** klick_ has joined #Citrix[08:56:52] *** Bsony has joined #Citrix[09:00:16] *** Tic77 has quit IRC[09:16:19] *** kiste1 is now known as kiste[09:17:52] *** stryx`_ has quit IRC[09:22:40] *** stryx` has joined #Citrix[09:56:59] *** Bsony_ has joined #Citrix[09:59:22] *** Lajo has quit IRC[09:59:54] *** Lajo has joined #Citrix[10:00:07] *** Bsony has quit IRC[10:00:37] <Grelot> morning CET[10:11:17] *** stormlight has joined #Citrix[10:16:19] *** stormlight has quit IRC[10:19:55] *** Lajo has quit IRC[10:20:10] *** Lajo has joined #Citrix[10:28:07] *** siddharthv is now known as siddharthv_away[10:29:58] *** Lucasje has joined #Citrix[10:32:17] *** siddharthv_away is now known as siddharthv[10:56:08] *** Lajo has quit IRC[10:56:12] *** Lajo_ has joined #Citrix[11:31:46] *** SYS_NOOB has joined #Citrix[11:36:07] *** Alex-_- has joined #Citrix[11:37:01] <Alex-_-> hello[11:37:52] *** Alex-_- has quit IRC[11:40:17] *** Lajo_ has quit IRC[11:40:22] *** Lajo has joined #Citrix[11:53:20] <SYS_NOOB> hey alex[11:55:25] *** Bsony_ has quit IRC[12:20:32] *** Lajo_ has joined #Citrix[12:20:32] *** Lajo has quit IRC[12:25:42] *** Bsony has joined #Citrix[12:29:13] *** SYS_NOOB has quit IRC[12:31:29] *** Lajo_ has quit IRC[12:48:05] *** siddharthv is now known as siddharthv_away[12:51:07] *** face has joined #Citrix[13:10:10] *** MasterXen has quit IRC[13:34:16] *** brad[]` has joined #Citrix[13:48:42] *** Gnk has quit IRC[14:14:12] *** calum_ has joined #Citrix[14:15:38] *** calum_ has quit IRC[14:49:25] <David62277> good morning[14:50:42] <David62277> since upgrading our colo netscaler to 10.5 i cant logon (well can sometimes) Connection limit to CFE exceeded. seems something is creating sessions on the netscaler... maybe a monitor of some sort. anyone know of any commands i can run to figure out where it is coming from? assuming i can ever logon[14:55:33] <Lucasje> show system session , should work, or in the gui you can show system session in the system tab[14:55:44] <Lucasje> do you have any other users or only a nsroot account ?[14:56:26] <David62277> yeah ok i just got on... only nsroot[14:56:45] <David62277> yeah i know show system session... but any way to have it give me the client address that is connecting?[14:57:23] <David62277> i kill the system sessions and i do show system session -summary and i see the number increasing[15:08:18] <Lucasje> hm, not that I know off, there are no futher parameters available for show system sesson then summary or sid. do you have a HA pair or anything ? since they use the nsroot account as well to sync, maybe something is going on there[15:09:02] <Lucasje> is there a frequency in the increase ?[15:26:06] <rsrevord> morning[15:33:12] *** Bsony has quit IRC[15:37:38] <tabularasa> good morning peeps[15:42:34] <David62277> not a ha pair... sorry had to troubleshoot a upm issue[15:45:58] <David62277> uncon around this morning?[15:46:45] *** hspcd has joined #Citrix[15:54:01] <David62277> looking at the connections... there are a lot of them from the storefront servers to the managment ip of the netscaler[16:01:36] *** rr has quit IRC[16:02:24] <tabularasa> i haven't seen him yet[16:11:51] <David62277> ha found it[16:12:00] *** stormlight has joined #Citrix[16:12:17] <David62277> forgot i had setup another hdx insight device over in our colo location[16:15:22] <tabularasa> heh[16:19:38] <David62277> damnit... anyone know how to set the global gateway theme back to default via command line?[16:23:49] <tabularasa> i used to[16:26:53] *** Bsony has joined #Citrix[16:27:53] *** Bsony_ has joined #Citrix[16:27:54] <tabularasa> but, i can't find it..[16:27:55] *** Bsony has quit IRC[16:28:02] <David62277> i screwed up creating the custom theme... and now cant logon via the web interface. i changed the theme, but i didnt hit save... if i reboot it should revert right?[16:28:39] <tabularasa> that shouldnt' have anything to do with the management interface..[16:29:23] <David62277> gateway theme does... if you have a custom one set, upgrade before changing it to default, you cant logon[16:30:19] <tabularasa> i only rememberit taking affect on the vServer[16:31:47] <David62277> nah i upgraded once with a custom theme set... couldnt logon via the wi[16:32:12] <David62277> reverted... switched to default... upgraded... re-did the customizations, and was good to go[16:32:33] <tabularasa> yeah, i stopped screwing with those themes. :)[16:36:10] <David62277> damnit i cant find a command[16:36:29] <David62277> everyone shows how to do it via the wi[16:36:51] <tabularasa> yeah, same[16:36:54] <tabularasa> uncon: where are you? :)[16:37:29] <rsrevord> he's hiding from you[16:38:48] <tabularasa> more like David62277[16:38:51] <David62277> well let me ask this... the ns.conf file is last edited yesterday... is the global theme setting stored in there?[16:39:02] <rsrevord> should be[16:39:09] <David62277> ok then a reboot should fix it...[16:39:38] <David62277> "should"[16:39:56] <tabularasa> lab?[16:40:02] <rsrevord> what the issue?[16:40:09] <rsrevord> late to this party[16:40:14] <David62277> i screwed up the custom gateway theme[16:40:20] <rsrevord> ah[16:40:29] <David62277> if that is hosed then you cant logon via wi[16:40:30] <rsrevord> and need to bump back to the original[16:40:34] <David62277> yes[16:40:36] <David62277> from cli[16:40:44] <rsrevord> give me a second to check somthing[16:41:05] <rsrevord> i can test it in my lab i think[16:41:06] <David62277> cause when that theme is hosed up you cant logon to the netscaler via thw wi[16:41:10] <rsrevord> but i gotta get it back up power outage this morning[16:47:13] <David62277> got it... figured it out from reading the ns.conf file[16:47:26] <David62277> set vpn parameter -UITHEME GREENBUBBLE[16:47:39] <rsrevord> kewl thats what i was going to get for you[16:47:51] <rsrevord> my servers a bit pissed at me[16:47:53] <David62277> now i can logon the wi[16:47:55] <David62277> woot[16:47:59] <rsrevord> grats[16:48:07] <David62277> time to redo this theme... again[16:48:38] <rsrevord> good luck[16:52:14] <David62277> forgot to cd to /netscaler... before taring it up[16:52:25] <rsrevord> that'll do[16:52:47] *** stryx` has quit IRC[16:53:11] *** ctxuser has joined #Citrix[16:54:51] *** stryx` has joined #Citrix[16:55:09] <ctxuser> anyone know how to get around the "Xentools not installed" error in a rolling upgrade on XS? Its a Cisco appliance that doesnt have them installed but its still failling the pre-checks[16:55:59] <rsrevord> move that vm/power it off etc[16:56:07] <rsrevord> install by hand[16:57:44] <ctxuser> Think ill try to upgrade all the other hosts, then move that guy and do that host[17:02:32] <tabularasa> Who is going to Summit?[17:03:29] <rsrevord> <--[17:04:51] <tabularasa> Citrix Workspace Services != Citrix Workspace Suite[17:04:55] <tabularasa> I have you sometimes, Citrix[17:05:02] <rsrevord> heh[17:05:31] <tabularasa> Where the hell is the keynote in the schedule?[17:06:05] <rsrevord> hrm gotta go look[17:08:11] *** klick_ has quit IRC[17:10:34] *** puffen_ has joined #Citrix[17:10:42] <puffen_> tabularasa |Atum|[17:10:58] <puffen_> Do you know the different scenarios on when to use UPM streaming vs copying entire profile?[17:11:32] *** Bsony_ has quit IRC[17:12:03] <tabularasa> sure[17:12:12] *** Bsony_ has joined #Citrix[17:12:24] <tabularasa> i never used streaming because my profiles lived on the LAN and were typically around 60MB[17:12:49] <tabularasa> if you have some non-redirected crap that lives in the profile, or you have just a MASSIVE amount of profiles and IO is a concern, you may want to use streaming[17:13:21] <tabularasa> Where is the keynote? wtf[17:16:29] *** Bsony_ has quit IRC[17:28:49] *** deunnero has joined #Citrix[17:31:49] *** kiste has quit IRC[17:32:08] <|Atum|> hi[17:32:22] <|Atum|> I always use streaming puffen_[17:32:27] <|Atum|> well[17:32:31] <|Atum|> i should qualify[17:32:36] <|Atum|> I always use streaming with Desktops[17:32:41] <|Atum|> and active writeback[17:33:14] <|Atum|> puffen_: edocs has a wonderful "scenarios" section that describes which settings you probably want ot use for XD, XA[17:34:26] <tabularasa> i don't use it. :)[17:34:42] <tabularasa> though, i don't use UPM anymore[17:34:48] <tabularasa> but, i never used it when it was an option[17:41:30] <tabularasa> though, its cool though, i can see how it would be great in certain situations[17:42:38] <|Atum|> http://support.citrix.com/proddocs/topic/user-profile-manager-5-x/upm-using-with-xd-typical-settings.html[17:45:09] <rsrevord> ok 2003r2 running process monitor bsod on xenapp 4.5/5 any one figure this out? BSOD code isn't available due to "administrivia" limitations[17:45:22] <rsrevord> really don't want to blow up the box again trying to capture this app :([17:45:52] <tabularasa> bluescreenview ?[17:46:04] <rsrevord> PVS and it doesn't retain anything[17:46:06] <rsrevord> long story[17:47:24] <rsrevord> i'll try it but[17:48:04] *** ctxuser has quit IRC[17:49:17] <tabularasa> WTF??? View Events on Netscaler 10.5.... Initializing JRE ??????????[17:49:26] <rsrevord> you can't escape the JRE[17:49:58] * tabularasa stabs face[17:52:09] *** rr has joined #Citrix[17:53:22] <uncon> tabularasa: wat?[17:54:51] <|Atum|> tabularasa: java isnt gone[17:54:53] <|Atum|> its 99.9% gone[17:54:55] <|Atum|> :p[17:54:58] <|Atum|> "Upgrade wizard" is also java[17:55:02] <|Atum|> as are the visualizers[17:55:20] <rsrevord> baby steps[17:56:37] <uncon> with the exception of the vis stuff, the others you should be doing via ssh regardless[17:57:59] <uncon> i'm pretty sure that's just a java console[17:58:14] <uncon> might as well use a real terminal[17:58:15] <rsrevord> uncon: but some of us are afraid of the cli[17:58:26] * rsrevord ducks[17:58:29] <uncon> it's java-wrapped cli[17:58:39] <uncon> so, if you scared of cli, don't use that either[17:58:59] *** Bsony_ has joined #Citrix[17:59:04] <rsrevord> oh i use it[17:59:10] <rsrevord> its good to face ones fears[18:00:15] <uncon> wait, so i should use the gui?[18:00:47] <rsrevord> uncon: i'd never presume to tell you what to do my friend[18:01:06] <uncon> too late, i'm offended[18:01:37] <rsrevord> crud, time to add another beer to the count of them i owe you[18:01:43] <Bobfrankly> attmpting to install hotfix rollup for appcenter, msi starts, rolls through a progress bar, and dies... :C[18:01:55] <rsrevord> nothing in event viewer?[18:01:58] <Bobfrankly> nope[18:02:14] <rsrevord> use the msi command line install it and add logging?[18:02:34] * Bobfrankly goes to google to figure out how to do that[18:02:56] <|Atum|> Bobfrankly: msiexec /i PathToMSI /lv PathToLogFile[18:03:06] <Bobfrankly> yay[18:03:08] <|Atum|> if its a .msp its /p[18:03:10] <|Atum|> not /i[18:03:19] <rsrevord> you beat me to it |Atum|[18:03:46] <Bobfrankly> alwaysnew tricks to learn[18:04:49] <puffen_> Hmm[18:04:59] <puffen_> If I configure TFTP load balancing of PVS through my Netscaler[18:05:07] <puffen_> will all streaming traffic pass through my NS then?[18:05:16] <puffen_> and thus be limited by my Netscaler through-put?[18:06:33] <Bobfrankly> seems like it's failing to delete providers from registry in a ctxinstalltrace[18:06:38] <|Atum|> puffen_: why do you want tftp load balancing when you have teh sexiness of bdm?[18:06:54] <|Atum|> puffen_: no, only the tftp download[18:08:20] <puffen_> |Atum|: bdm might be preferable but I have no experience of it[18:08:39] <|Atum|> puffen_: http://blogs.citrix.com/2014/04/01/a-solid-option-for-the-pvs-boot-method-tftp-load-balancing-using-netscaler-10-1/[18:08:46] <rsrevord> |Atum|: cause i had cd's on my xenapp servers[18:08:58] <rsrevord> err hate[18:09:15] <rsrevord> sigh... because i hate having cdroms on my xenapp vms[18:09:16] <rsrevord> there[18:09:36] *** brad[] has quit IRC[18:10:27] <Bobfrankly> I'm doing BDM, but only because I'm building a pvs7 setup alongside my pvs6[18:10:30] <|Atum|> you dont use cds[18:10:32] <|Atum|> you use the partition[18:10:34] <|Atum|> new pvs[18:23:32] *** laimheloc has joined #Citrix[18:24:47] <rsrevord> fair[18:25:00] <rsrevord> not tried that yet tho[18:27:32] <David62277> damned upm[18:29:16] <Bobfrankly> profile or printer?[18:29:32] <David62277> weird thing... had 2 users who for whatever reason the policy didnt apply right for the folder redirection... it tried to copy all the files from their home drive to the profile store[18:29:35] <David62277> profile[18:29:49] <Bobfrankly> ouch[18:30:03] <David62277> only those 2 users though[18:30:07] <David62277> very strange[18:33:29] *** SpideR^^ has quit IRC[18:34:44] *** Bsony_ has quit IRC[18:51:29] <David62277> so heres a question... our vcenter server is having issues... there is talk of rebuilding it. if they do that, can i just go into studio and point to the new vcenter server and everything be happy, or are things going to freak out (we have both pvs and mcs created desktops)[19:01:56] *** Digitlman has joined #Citrix[19:02:21] *** rr has quit IRC[19:04:50] <Digitlman> can anyone point me to a free user load simulator that work with XA 6?[19:06:28] <puffen_> VSI Login[19:07:54] <Digitlman> so the free trial of that then?[19:09:41] <Digitlman> any other options?[19:11:19] <Grelot> David62277: the ESX, no change right ?[19:18:57] <tabularasa> Digitlman: that's pretty much the industry standard[19:19:34] <Digitlman> how does the trial license work? 20 days from the install of the software? The issuance of the lic?[19:20:07] <Grelot> what about edgesight load testing ?[19:21:36] <Grelot> its EOL and I dont know the licence requierement[19:21:56] <Digitlman> I have heard of that...do you know if it work siwth XA 6?[19:24:13] <Digitlman> Thomas Kotzing has one, but I think it only works with PS4/4.5[19:24:58] <Grelot> yeah its working with 5 and 6.5 from what I remember so no problem for 6 I think[19:25:00] <Grelot> wait[19:25:11] <Grelot> Target systems include Citrix Presentation Server 4.0 or higher, Citrix XenApp 5.0 or 6.0 or 6.5, and Citrix XenDesktop 5.0[19:25:16] <Grelot> http://support.citrix.com/proddocs/topic/edgesight-loadtest-38/es-install-system-req.html[19:25:25] <Grelot> just need enterprise or platinium xa licence[19:25:34] <Digitlman> ugh....hrmmm[19:28:49] <|Atum|> 1030 thru NG but not direct thru SF.[19:30:02] <Digitlman> I think we have upgraded retail lics....[19:30:19] <|Atum|> :\[19:32:50] <Grelot> then go for login vsi trial[19:33:05] <Grelot> I don't know the limitation though[19:33:22] <Digitlman> I did apply for the trial[19:33:49] <Digitlman> Has a maximum load capacity of 20 users.[19:33:57] <Digitlman> Workloads cannot be customized.[19:34:09] <Digitlman> well that doesn't sound that bad[19:34:21] <Grelot> depending on your farm maybe ^^[19:34:40] <Digitlman> should be good enough for what I want to do[19:34:48] <Digitlman> thanks for the help[19:35:43] *** GentileBen has joined #Citrix[19:36:06] <Grelot> np :)[19:37:27] <Digitlman> is anybody using XA 7/7.5?[19:37:59] <Grelot> using 7.6 but 7.X is pretty much the same[19:38:14] <Digitlman> any huge "gotchas" with it?[19:38:33] <Grelot> depend from what to what[19:38:36] <Grelot> 6.5 ?[19:38:39] <Digitlman> from 6[19:38:47] <Grelot> oh yeah[19:38:48] <Digitlman> if that is where you were lol[19:39:22] <Grelot> well its different, its pretty much XenDesktop now[19:39:32] <Digitlman> ok[19:39:39] <Digitlman> any really compelling reason to upgrade?[19:39:49] <Digitlman> other than v6 EOLs? ;-)[19:40:02] <Grelot> I don't see it yet[19:40:09] <Digitlman> k[19:40:16] <Grelot> but its getting there[19:40:23] <Digitlman> you can built it on serevr 2012 r2 right?[19:40:26] <Grelot> 7.6 is already pretty good[19:40:28] <Grelot> yeah[19:40:31] <Digitlman> k[19:41:03] <Digitlman> is it faster/more reliable than 6?[19:42:18] <Grelot> Well 7.6 just introduced the connexion leasing[19:42:28] <Grelot> but we already had that with 6.5[19:42:47] <Grelot> when your datastore go down[19:42:55] <Grelot> and you are in "grace period"[19:43:26] <Grelot> I don't have enough feedback to tell you, other people from the chan should have more xp[19:43:27] <WyW> but it desn't help the users who have never established a conncetion before for example[19:43:41] <Digitlman> ahhh[19:43:56] <WyW> also pre-launch and lingering is included with 7.6[19:44:13] <Grelot> yep[19:44:51] <|Atum|> had no sta on the ns gateway[19:44:59] <Digitlman> interesting[19:45:14] <WyW> if you were using all of the features on xa6.5, 7.6 comes pretty close[19:45:17] *** Bsony_ has joined #Citrix[19:45:29] <Digitlman> we're not[19:45:34] <Digitlman> we're pretty basic[19:45:48] <WyW> I'm not sure if IP loopback was added[19:45:52] <WyW> for FMA / 7.6[19:46:04] <Grelot> well soimething to consider[19:46:14] <WyW> but if you're on 6.5, you can start building a roadmap[19:46:26] <tabularasa> i NEED workspace services[19:46:30] <Digitlman> we'd need to move from 6 to 6.5[19:46:34] <tabularasa> which still doesn't exist... sigh..[19:46:40] <Grelot> I was exclusively working on XA 6.5 and not so much on XD, when I switched to XA 7.X. I had to rethink the way I administer my farm[19:46:42] <WyW> whether it's 7.6 or higher you're upgrading[19:46:53] <Grelot> no more worker group[19:47:02] <WyW> yeah[19:47:17] <Grelot> no shadowing directly from the console[19:47:30] <Grelot> (even if I was getting error 120 haha)[19:47:33] <Digitlman> why not?[19:47:43] <Grelot> because its in director now[19:48:05] <Grelot> and its just an RDP connexion now[19:48:11] <Digitlman> ahh ok[19:48:24] * Digitlman needs to dl some docs and read up[19:48:26] <WyW> EdgeSight lacks some of the features you had in ES 5.4[19:48:38] <WyW> Grelot: check http://blogs.citrix.com/2014/03/27/xenapp-6-concepts-mapped-to-xenapp-7/[19:48:50] <WyW> that table is quite usefull[19:48:53] <Grelot> edgesight is pretty much dead[19:49:06] <WyW> no it's not[19:49:13] <Grelot> To get all the fonctionnality of edgesight network wise[19:49:15] <WyW> it's just integrated with Director[19:49:17] <Grelot> you need nescaler[19:49:23] <WyW> NetScaler Enterprise[19:49:28] <Grelot> and netscaler insight something[19:49:29] <WyW> or Plat[19:49:37] <WyW> yeah[19:49:40] <Grelot> more stuff to deploy[19:49:46] *** Bsony_ has quit IRC[19:49:47] <WyW> plus no realtime data collection[19:49:54] <Grelot> yeah[19:50:04] <WyW> the basic ES stuff is included with director and vda[19:50:14] <WyW> so I'd claim it's easier than before[19:50:24] <WyW> when you had to have the separate server and agents[19:50:25] <Grelot> yeah, the most important for myself : login process lengh[19:50:47] <Grelot> yeah its definitlt easier[19:50:50] <Grelot> definitly[19:51:09] <Grelot> ES 5.4 is a nightmare[19:51:09] <WyW> do you need the NS Insight for that login process counter stuff?[19:51:23] <WyW> it's a nightmare if you misconfigure it[19:51:33] <WyW> but if you set it up right, it's awesome![19:51:42] <Grelot> but not that user friendly[19:52:05] <Grelot> you can't get report with director now, i'm not sure[19:52:56] <WyW> yeah[19:53:28] <WyW> if you get platinum stuff (farm and ns) and set up the insight, that's pretty darn awesome[19:53:41] <WyW> I'd like to give it a go in a production environment[19:53:45] <WyW> with actual users[19:53:51] <WyW> only lab stuff so far[19:54:03] <Grelot> its only network data right ?[19:54:18] <Grelot> ICA latency and stuff ?[19:55:19] <WyW> insight[19:55:21] <WyW> yeah[19:55:42] <WyW> I just spoke with the Network SE in north EMEA[19:55:44] <WyW> today[19:56:01] <Grelot> and its not IN the netscaler vpx, its an additional virtual machine right ?[19:56:22] <WyW> I understood you needed to have NS GW for internal users as well to get proper data[19:56:34] <WyW> yeah[19:56:42] <WyW> it's a separate appliance[19:56:57] <WyW> VPX is available for different platforms[19:58:47] <Grelot> I really need to start learning about netscaler[19:59:02] <Grelot> everything is going through that now[20:01:12] <WyW> yeah[20:01:32] <WyW> but... you don't need to set up your internal users for NS GW to get the Insight data[20:01:57] <WyW> you just have to bounce the traffic via NetScaler to the servers[20:02:38] <WyW> I got carried away in mid sentence :D[20:03:14] <Grelot> I cannot just setup the insight appliance[20:03:26] <rsrevord> WyW: check this out[20:03:28] <rsrevord> http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX200129[20:05:05] <Bobfrankly> anyone tried using PVS for media servers?[20:06:55] <Bobfrankly> as in we've got a number of identical servers that serve files to an application[20:07:45] <rsrevord> its a possible use case if they are allstatic[20:07:54] <tabularasa> http://blogs.citrix.com/2014/11/06/they-gave-me-a-camera-intel/#.VFuxcH94Vo8.twitter[20:07:57] <tabularasa> Very cool...[20:08:13] <rsrevord> before citrix bought it, i worked for a company with 100 web servers that we did PVS to[20:08:42] <Bobfrankly> it's mildly static, we'd probably update the GI every week or so[20:08:56] *** Subsonic has joined #Citrix[20:10:36] <Subsonic> Hello. I built a new XA 7.6 site, two load balanced StroreFront servers, and two controllers, and I'm seeing doubles of each application in Receiver, but not in Studio. Anyone know of a fix?[20:11:09] *** MasterXen has joined #Citrix[20:12:21] <Bobfrankly> thanks for the input rsrevord, at least I can say it's not outside the realm of possibilities[20:12:48] <Bobfrankly> need to make sure 7.1.3 still has the option for persistent cache[20:14:03] <MasterXen> morning chaps[20:15:48] <WyW> rsrevord: ty[20:16:45] <Grelot> Subsonic[20:16:57] <Grelot> did you use powershell to add people to deliverygroup ?[20:17:27] <Grelot> All your application a double or just some / to all user ?[20:17:59] <Subsonic> Everything is published to domain users. Didn't use powershell to add people to delivery group.[20:18:18] <Subsonic> I created the Machine Catalog and DG manually.[20:18:55] <Subsonic> And its All applications[20:19:36] <Subsonic> In the Storefront console, I have both delivery controllers. If I remove one, and refresh apps, I'm back to one icon per application.[20:23:35] <Grelot> how did you load balance the storefront[20:23:55] <Grelot> you added both to the storefront group right ?[20:24:04] <WyW> Subsonic: are you using NetScaler for lb?[20:24:19] <Subsonic> I'm lb Storefront on Netscaler.[20:24:28] <Grelot> Aaaaand i'm out :p[20:25:04] <WyW> Subsonic: what if you remove one storefront from the lb[20:25:07] <WyW> temporarily[20:25:12] <WyW> does your problem disappear?[20:25:18] <Subsonic> I'll give that a try... BRB[20:25:26] <WyW> do you have two services or a service group[20:25:27] <David62277> anyone seen errors upgrading to the 7.5 vda (server) from 7.1? config tool icaconfigconsole.exe failed with error code -4 <-- already tried the ccleaner thing[20:30:06] <Subsonic> WyW: I disabled one of the two SF servers in the service group, refreshed apps and still have the same issue. If I removed either of the two controllers from the SF console, it fixes it but I don't think that's ideal.[20:31:10] <WyW> hmmh[20:35:00] <Grelot> so even with only one SF its still double[20:35:41] <WyW> are you loadbalancing the xml-service?[20:36:02] <WyW> no you're not...[20:36:05] <Subsonic> Grelot: yes[20:36:58] <WyW> Subsonic: XD and SF versions?[20:37:21] <Subsonic> It's a new 7.6 XenApp install.[20:37:37] <Subsonic> Here's the backstory...[20:37:43] <WyW> applications or desktops?[20:38:13] <WyW> so SF 2.6?[20:38:34] <WyW> you've probably checked this http://discussions.citrix.com/topic/334827-duplicated-published-desktop-icons/[20:40:04] <jon[sd]> is a netscaler gateway vpx the same as a netscaler vpx but licensing bound (services disabled) or is different all together?[20:40:05] <Subsonic> I had a working site and was testing before going into production. My boss told me to move the database. I followed the directions from the Citrix kb to relocate the DB but it still got borked. That's when the double app icon issue started. Citrix support wasn't able to fix after three days working on it, so I built a new site with new DB, controllers, and reused the same SF lb server setup, just edited the controllers in the SF co[20:40:12] <Subsonic> Controllers and added the new.[20:40:29] *** hspcd has quit IRC[20:40:35] <WyW> that probably explains it[20:40:47] <WyW> does it happen in the web receiver too[20:40:53] <WyW> probably?[20:41:24] <Subsonic> Checking the web...[20:42:23] <Subsonic> Yes, it happens in the StoreWeb URL as well as Receiver.[20:42:47] <Subsonic> WyW: applications[20:43:00] <Grelot> its not in production yet right ?[20:43:46] <|Atum|> ok what the heck. User name/password authentication is not enabled in StoreFront.[20:43:50] <WyW> so your sf db is probably messed up[20:43:52] <|Atum|> error in event log, clearly it IS enabled in storefront[20:44:13] <Subsonic> WyW: Storefront 2.6, and no, not in production yet.[20:47:01] <WyW> so you have previous sf version x -servers in production[20:47:12] <WyW> from which you copied the db from to this instance[20:47:29] <WyW> which version is the one you copied the data from?[20:48:52] <Subsonic> Everything in the site, including SF is 7.6.[20:49:18] <WyW> SF 2.6?[20:49:30] <Subsonic> Sorry, SF is version 2.6, everything installed from the 7.6 ISO>[20:49:45] *** MartynKeigher has joined #Citrix[20:49:47] <WyW> so you copied the "old" SF 2.6 db to a new pair of SF 2.6 servers?[20:50:14] <WyW> why didn't you just add additional SFs to the configuration[20:50:35] <WyW> train arrives to station[20:50:38] <WyW> gotta go ->[20:50:48] <Subsonic> The only db I copied was the site db from one sql server to another. Now I'm using a new site db for the new controllers.[20:51:34] <Subsonic> WyW: I am using the original SF servers, just removed the old site controllers and added the new.[20:51:57] *** xSnakeDoctor has joined #Citrix[20:52:48] <Subsonic> I didn't move or copy the SF database.[20:53:34] <Grelot> you have also the problem with 1 SF but 2 DDC on it right ?[20:53:59] <Subsonic> Right.[20:58:57] <deunnero> blargghghghghghghgghghghghghghgh[20:59:08] <Grelot> let me check something Subsonic[20:59:29] * deunnero rages over these machines that don't have the virtual machine setting on the cpu[21:02:51] <Grelot> Subsonic: you only have 1 store ?[21:03:02] <Subsonic> Yes, one store.[21:08:09] <Grelot> the DDC are new so I don't think they re the issue[21:08:14] <Grelot> your store is fine[21:08:18] <Grelot> (only one)[21:09:17] <Grelot> try to clean install a SF server[21:09:21] <Grelot> see how it goes[21:13:30] <Subsonic> Gotta go... Thank you![21:13:43] *** Subsonic has left #Citrix[21:31:36] *** Lucasje has quit IRC[21:35:25] <David62277> holy hell... figured out why my vda wouldnt update to 7.5[21:36:46] <David62277> apparently one of the app developers decided to add his test user to the .\users group on the app server...[21:37:16] <David62277> so when i went to upgrade it wanted to move everyone in the users group to the remote desktop users group... and hung on that test account for whatever reason[21:37:26] *** SYS_NOOB has joined #Citrix[21:46:49] <deunnero> quick question[21:47:53] <deunnero> On Xencenter... I'm trying to import a server that's already on there that's we moved a couple of days ago[21:48:13] <deunnero> Will it over-write the one that's already there?[21:52:55] *** Subsonic has joined #Citrix[21:53:25] <Subsonic> Grelot and WyW: My duplicate apps issue in Storefront is fixed...[21:53:49] <Grelot> what was the problem ?[21:54:02] <David62277> subsonic... usually when i see that it is because the receiver has 2 accounts pointing to the same spot[21:54:09] <Subsonic> It was my fault. I found in the Storefront console where you enter the controllers I had listed them separately instead of together for load balancing. Doh![21:54:21] <WyW> Subsonic: ok[21:54:31] <WyW> great that you found a logical explanation[21:54:34] <Grelot> ^^ like when I said how many store you had :p[21:55:17] <David62277> you shouldnt load balance the controllers[21:55:21] <Subsonic> It was one store, but I clicked the add controller button twice to add two entries, instead of adding both controllers to the same entry.[21:55:36] <David62277> oh... i see what you did[21:55:43] <Grelot> oh ok[21:55:54] <deunnero> Will this import break the vm that's currently on the xenserver?[21:55:56] <Subsonic> If I shouldn't load balance the controllers, then whats the use of having more than one controller?[21:56:12] *** daytime10 has joined #Citrix[21:56:20] <David62277> subsonic... i thought you meant load balancing like through netscaler[21:56:35] <David62277> 1 vip that points to both controllers = bad idea[21:56:36] <Subsonic> Thanks again for taking the time to help me![21:57:13] <WyW> except for the xml service[21:57:14] <Subsonic> David: Nope, I have the Storefront servers load balanced in the Netscaler, but not the controllers. The controllers are lb in the SF store.[21:57:15] <David62277> dunnero... i dont know for sure... i would think you would have the option to rename it... but it may use the same uuid... id test it first[21:57:23] <WyW> where having a vip is a good idea[21:57:27] *** KerriC has joined #Citrix[21:57:34] <Subsonic> bye[21:57:41] <WyW> but great that it was solved[21:57:56] <WyW> sleepy time in Finland ->[21:57:56] <Subsonic> THank you![21:58:01] *** Subsonic has left #Citrix[21:58:14] <daytime10> Hey guys, I am having some issues with UPM 5.0 and it not deleting local profiles... anyone got any ideas or previous experience I can try[22:00:46] <David62277> you have it set in the policy to remove the profile after logoff?[22:01:06] <daytime10> I do, there is 2 common error messages in the logs..[22:01:08] <tabularasa> is it not removing the entire profile, or does it leave lingering files[22:01:19] <daytime10> 5;15:41:58.610;ERROR;;;;20764;DeleteDirectory: Deleting the directory <F:\Users\USER\AppData\Local\Temp\acrord32_sbx> failed with: The directory is not empty.[22:01:26] <David62277> bet it is the ntuser.dat file not being released[22:01:34] <tabularasa> the bane of my existence[22:01:36] <tabularasa> wasx[22:01:37] <tabularasa> was[22:01:43] <Grelot> give it a time before deleting[22:01:54] <daytime10> they have been sitting for weeks, causing major issues[22:01:57] <Digitlman> that's an issue with the latest updat to dobe reader[22:01:57] <daytime10> I have to clean them manually[22:02:17] <daytime10> I also see ProcessLogoff: Local profile is not a UPM profile. Aborting.[22:02:18] <Digitlman> here's the fix - uninstall Adobe - install XChage PDF reader[22:02:19] <MasterXen> exclude Adobe from AppData[22:02:48] <David62277> masterxen that wouldnt do anything to help[22:02:55] <Grelot> what if you put "Delay befoire deleting cached profiles"[22:03:14] <Digitlman> Adobe does not release the temp files after you print a PDF[22:03:29] <daytime10> I heard 5.2 allows you to Delay.. I dont know if 5.0 lets you, I was going to try and upgrade the servers to 5.2[22:04:06] <daytime10> and I did see a thread on that Digitlman but people were talking about removing certain Windows Updates which I do not want to do at this time as they are remote code execution fixes :S[22:04:15] <Grelot> it solved a lot of problem for me, a lot of stuff in appdata wont let go at logoff[22:04:17] <Digitlman> yeah don't do that[22:04:29] <Digitlman> trust me - remove Adobe and use XChange PDF[22:04:38] <daytime10> I will look into it[22:04:44] <daytime10> We have Reader corporate wide so that might not fly[22:04:47] <Grelot> yeah but user loooove adobe :)[22:04:49] <David62277> adobe acrobat do the same thing?[22:04:49] <Digitlman> I also encountered where adobe.exe would chew up 25% CPU...for no reason[22:04:55] <daytime10> I hate Reader with a passion :P but I do what I am told lol[22:04:55] *** xsupgrade has joined #Citrix[22:05:09] <Digitlman> XChange PDF is very very very light on resources[22:05:14] <Digitlman> and FREE[22:05:31] <David62277> does full acrobat do the same thing digitlman?[22:05:38] <David62277> or is it just reader[22:05:38] <Digitlman> I don't know[22:05:44] <Digitlman> I only use Reader[22:05:48] <daytime10> People have only been complaining about Reader from what I see[22:05:50] <Digitlman> or did[22:05:59] <Digitlman> yep[22:06:06] <Digitlman> I finally had enough[22:06:53] <Grelot> If i remove adobe reader everybody is gonna whine[22:06:54] <David62277> luckily (or unluckily depending on how you look at it) we are running 300 Win7 desktops... only a few apps delivered from app servers[22:07:21] <David62277> is there a version of reader that doesnt do that?[22:07:22] <daytime10> I dont think Reader is causing my only issue though[22:07:25] <Digitlman> yeah there was some learning curve to the new reader....but nothing users can't learn[22:07:27] <daytime10> some profiles are still there without that Dir[22:07:41] <David62277> is their registry hive still loaded?[22:07:41] <Digitlman> I still blame Adobe[22:08:12] <deunnero> ah yea, it's the same everything :S[22:08:20] <David62277> get their sid, then look at HKU... see if you see the sid listed[22:08:38] <deunnero> So i'm thinking I might just want to head home and work on this tonight.[22:08:40] <David62277> if you see it there after they have logged off their ntuser.dat hasn't released[22:09:04] <xsupgrade> if you cancel in the middle of a xenserver rolling pool upgrade, does it just stop where you are?[22:09:42] <David62277> i wouldnt do that[22:10:47] <xsupgrade> well... our genius guy decided to use his laptop as the http server for the installer files... and now wants to leave.. with his laptop...[22:10:56] <Digitlman> lol[22:11:00] <daytime10> Hives are not loaded and I do not see ntuser.dat in the local profile[22:11:07] <Digitlman> then it's Adobe[22:11:10] <David62277> must be another file lock then[22:11:11] <daytime10> lol[22:11:21] <daytime10> did I join #AntiAdobe[22:11:25] <Digitlman> lol[22:11:27] <Digitlman> aweome[22:11:28] <David62277> xsupgrade... is it just one update he has applying?[22:11:32] <Grelot> haha[22:11:44] <daytime10> I also manage Flash for the entire company trust me I LOVE ADOBE :@[22:11:48] <xsupgrade> its a rolling pool upgrade to 6.2[22:12:12] <Digitlman> he can leave if he wants to deal with nothing working after he leaves lol[22:12:20] <David62277> oh... yeah don't let him leave[22:13:33] <daytime10> is xchngepdf reader not free?[22:14:05] <xsupgrade> i was just wondering if we canceled it if it would just fail on the next install and we could restart the RPU with a different file location[22:14:26] <Digitlman> yes it is[22:14:34] <daytime10> hmm got the site handy?[22:15:08] <David62277> so you're upgrading from 6.1 to 6.2?[22:15:16] <Digitlman> http://www.tracker-software.com/product/pdf-xchange-viewer[22:15:20] <daytime10> thanks[22:15:30] <Digitlman> sorry, it's pdf xchange viewer lol[22:16:09] <Grelot> he's working for them[22:16:17] <daytime10> lol[22:16:25] <Digitlman> nope[22:17:33] <David62277> xsupgrade... are you upgrading 6.1 to 6.2?[22:17:50] <Grelot> see you guys, i'm gonna sleep early for my cert tomorrow ![22:17:52] <xsupgrade> 6.0.2 to 6.2[22:18:03] <David62277> is the pool master already upgraded?[22:18:14] <daytime10> cya gl[22:18:23] <xsupgrade> yea, the pool master is up and good. It son the 3rd of 7 hosts.[22:18:54] <David62277> you "should" be able to cancel it, and then manually update the rest[22:19:18] <David62277> like i said... i wouldnt do it though[22:19:27] <xsupgrade> thats what i thought. I have done the manual process before. Just didnt want to hit cancel, and it try to revert everything it has done thus far[22:19:34] *** Digitlman has quit IRC[22:20:14] <David62277> pretty sure it wouldnt try to revert[22:26:21] <deunnero> David62277: Thanks david... I'm probably just going to wait until tonight.[22:33:46] <tabularasa> anyone run into any problems with clients connecting after disabling ssl3 ?[22:38:18] *** nate-- has joined #Citrix[22:38:21] <nate--> hiya[22:39:24] <tabularasa> howdy[22:39:30] <nate--> if anyone is here, what is the best way to troubleshoot which citrix policies are coming down and which aren't in a user session (xenapp 7.5)? some don't appear to be working for me[22:39:35] <nate--> hi[22:39:43] <David62277> tab i havent disabled it yet... i saw it on my taas report that i should though[22:39:59] <David62277> nate... recent upgrade?[22:40:01] <tabularasa> nate--: normally i just delete them from the local system and gupdate /force[22:40:36] <nate--> no, fairly new install, no upgrade[22:40:43] <David62277> see this[22:40:45] <David62277> http://www.citrixirc.com/?p=338[22:40:50] <nate--> tabularasa , how do you delete them?[22:41:50] <nate--> i have done a gpupdate /force. is there a policy log file somewhere?[22:42:05] <tabularasa> http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX134961[22:42:06] <David62277> which settings arent applying?[22:42:08] <tabularasa> nate--: ^----[22:42:38] <David62277> in registry... hklm\software\policies and hkcu\software\policies[22:42:49] <tabularasa> David62277: i did initial testing and it doesn't seem to break Windows/iPad/Android, or, suprisingly, Wyse Xenith[22:42:59] <tabularasa> on either 9.3 or 10.5 netscaler with Xenith code as old as 2.0_021[22:43:02] <tabularasa> which, shocks me[22:43:44] <David62277> cool[22:43:46] <nate--> tabularasa - some folder redirection policies, others seem ok. the paths are all there, so not sure whats up[22:43:48] <tabularasa> daytime10: did you figure it out?[22:43:59] <tabularasa> I just had someone here have an issue with the SAME FILE[22:44:29] <nate--> ooh, good link, thank you[22:44:36] <tabularasa> no prob[22:44:59] <David62277> nate... id try remotely running gpupdate on the desktop/server in question then connecting to it to see if it works. if so then try the powershell script i posted[22:45:24] <David62277> nate are the desktops or servers booting from pvs?[22:48:57] <nate--> CTX134961 still valid with xenapp 7.x too?[22:49:09] <tabularasa> i'd assume so, but not 100% sure[22:49:13] <tabularasa> you would see what's in there[22:49:21] <tabularasa> if theres nothing in there, then probaboy no. :)[22:49:24] <nate--> David62277 - no, just a standalone regular server[22:49:46] *** daytime10 has quit IRC[22:54:28] <David62277> nate... reason i asked if you upgraded is i have seen where policies created on earlier versions might flake out after an upgrade. to fix that you just edit the policy with the upgraded ddc (throw in something that doesnt matter, save it, then take that setting back out)[22:54:51] <nate--> David62277 - thanks[22:54:56] <nate--> good info[22:55:02] <nate--> thanks guys for the links & tips I will dig into these and i'm sure will figure it out[22:55:33] <David62277> your policies coming from citrix policies in studio, or from citrix policies in gpo?[22:57:06] <nate--> in studio. i'm stil unclear on how these citrix policies get distributed. they act like regular GPO policies, no? does it put them into sysvol?[22:57:34] <David62277> nate... from studio they are basically local machine policies... gpo will override[22:58:16] <nate--> ah ok. thanks[22:58:20] <David62277> tabularasa... speaking of policies. in gpmc i used to be able to highlight a gpo, hit the settings tab, and see all the microsoft AND citrix policies in the list. after the upgrade to 7.1 i only see the microsoft policies, and actually have to open the gpo up to edit to see the citrix policies. im thinking i just need to register a dll or something, but wondered if you had seen that[22:58:36] *** kcdc3 has joined #Citrix[23:00:48] <David62277> nate i think as far as the policy files go it is in programdata mostly... in the registry you'll find them in hklm\software\policies\citrix and hkcu\software\policies\citrix[23:02:43] *** KerriC has quit IRC[23:03:20] <David62277> time to head to the house... tabularasa if you happen to know the answer to that question please pm it to me... see you all tomorrow[23:05:08] *** Bsony_ has joined #Citrix[23:05:15] <deunnero> thanks! But yea, i'm headed out![23:05:30] *** deunnero has left #Citrix[23:06:52] *** SYS_NOOB has quit IRC[23:07:49] *** SYS_NOOB has joined #Citrix[23:12:21] *** Bsony_ has quit IRC[23:57:47] *** MartynKeigher has quit IRC