November 4, 2014 
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November 4, 2014 [00:09:35] <Grelot> looks like per user is only for 365[00:17:02] <Bobfrankly> |Atum| do you have SCOM agent in your pvs image?[00:17:13] <|Atum|> Ya[00:17:16] <|Atum|> for servers[00:17:19] <|Atum|> not for desktops[00:17:30] <|Atum|> we only had 2 XA servers, small[00:17:47] <Bobfrankly> I'm going to be rolling nearly 100 :P[00:18:01] <Bobfrankly> got any definitive guides?[00:18:15] <|Atum|> There's virtually no information[00:18:24] <|Atum|> "Learn scom or talk to a scom guy" basically[00:18:48] <Bobfrankly> I keep seeing notes about setting up the health data on a persistent drive, but these server will have no such thing[00:19:07] <|Atum|> your write cache drive[00:19:29] <Bobfrankly> the attached VHD?[00:20:09] <|Atum|> your 10gb drive you made[00:20:19] <|Atum|> where the WriteCache.vhdx lives[00:20:25] <|Atum|> just plop it on there[00:20:37] <|Atum|> thats where i keep broker agent logs, eventlogs, gp logs, etc[00:20:56] <Bobfrankly> ah, I was planning to centralize the logs[00:21:27] <|Atum|> you might be able to do that[00:23:24] * Bobfrankly notes he didn't see a spot to specify *which* disk the ram will overflow to[00:23:50] <|Atum|> if you had 1 drive attached, its going to stick it there[00:23:56] <|Atum|> D: most likely[00:24:13] <Bobfrankly> yeah, I didn't format it...[00:24:23] <|Atum|> then it will fail back to cache on server[00:24:27] * Bobfrankly begins to look and see what kind of mess he made[00:24:29] <|Atum|> format it and reboot[00:24:39] <|Atum|> or provision your servers wit hthe xendesktop setup wizard[00:24:44] <|Atum|> it will auto attach and format the disk for you[00:24:56] <Bobfrankly> format and reboot is the faster option :P[00:25:05] <|Atum|> not x100 :)[00:25:25] <Bobfrankly> depends on your powershell skills[00:25:31] <Bobfrankly> but I only have 6 servers[00:25:45] <|Atum|> brave man formatting drives via powershell :D[00:26:01] <|Atum|> im no stranger but dang[00:26:05] <|Atum|> :D[00:26:09] <Bobfrankly> lol. it's provisioned disks[00:26:17] <Bobfrankly> whats the worst that could happen?[00:26:32] <|Atum|> what hypervisor do you use Bobfrankly ?[00:26:52] <Bobfrankly> xencenter for the xenapp and related[00:27:01] <Bobfrankly> VMware for everything else, and the PVS hosts[00:27:40] <|Atum|> well, heres an example :-)[00:27:48] <|Atum|> (with SCVMM cmdlets)[00:27:52] <|Atum|> get-vm YourFilter | Get-VirtualHardDisk | Remove-VirtualHardDisk[00:28:24] <|Atum|> powershell design principles tell us that get-virtualharddisk will act on the output of get-vm[00:28:36] <|Atum|> and thus remove-virtualharddisk will remove those[00:28:42] <Bobfrankly> should....[00:28:46] <Bobfrankly> but continue :P[00:28:46] <|Atum|> buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut nope[00:28:57] <|Atum|> get-virtualharddisk gets all VHD's in scvmm and removes them all[00:29:02] <Bobfrankly> haha[00:29:07] <|Atum|> nevermind the -whatif parameter which is defined IN THE HELP FILE[00:29:10] <|Atum|> it doesn't actually do whatif[00:29:16] <|Atum|> it executes no matter what P[00:29:18] <|Atum|> :P[00:29:20] <Bobfrankly> whatif is great for posh core[00:29:27] <Bobfrankly> not so much for loaded modules[00:29:38] <|Atum|> even AD module[00:29:42] <|Atum|> reset user password?[00:29:45] <|Atum|> with -whatif? resets the pw![00:29:45] <Bobfrankly> exactly[00:29:55] <Bobfrankly> was about to say that[00:30:05] <Bobfrankly> I use the ad cmdlets quite a bit :P[00:30:30] <Bobfrankly> when dealing with remote computers, I tag the computername param at every step[00:30:31] <|Atum|> ive become more cautious with my scripts now[00:30:34] <|Atum|> i do stupid shit like[00:30:52] <|Atum|> mylist | %{ invoke-command -computername $_ { crapiwanttodo } }[00:30:58] <|Atum|> rather htan[00:31:11] <|Atum|> mylist| do-stuff-and-pray-it-works[00:31:21] <Bobfrankly> yeah, that's a good practive[00:31:33] <Bobfrankly> one that I need to work on myself :P[00:31:45] <|Atum|> its a horrific practice but it is reality[00:32:00] <Bobfrankly> but I typically test the hell outa my scripts before running them at scale[00:34:05] <Bobfrankly> I'll never forget the time I was updating remote desktop home folder paths, and I had some scope bleed[00:34:19] <Bobfrankly> 200 some users with the same home folder[00:35:54] <Grelot> the communist profiles[00:36:12] <Bobfrankly> lol[00:39:29] *** jimb has joined #Citrix[00:40:56] <jimb> can someone help me clarify what the citrix policy "Auto-Create Generic Universal Driver" is?[00:44:30] <Bobfrankly> the channel has people in it but I think many of them are afk[00:44:46] <Bobfrankly> I haven't gotton around to the universal print driver yet[00:45:22] *** unop has joined #Citrix[00:45:52] <jimb> i ask about this policy because there are a lot of other policies where you can enable universal driver for printers with no universal driver outside of this policy[00:45:57] <jimb> so is this policy needed, or not?[00:46:03] <jimb> it's a big confusing[00:46:05] <jimb> bit[00:48:22] *** bitkill3r has quit IRC[00:49:47] <|Atum|> jimb: there's a universal printer that just says "Citrix Universal printer" where you can have users print to that and then select their printer[00:49:59] <|Atum|> tbh id never had to use it.[00:50:16] <Grelot> me neither, everything is explained here jimb : http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX106812[00:50:18] <|Atum|> either using universal print driver, or universal print server + client + driver OR inbox drivers[00:51:24] *** Grelot is now known as Grelot`Afk[01:07:28] <jimb> thanks for the link, will have a look. so if i disable this, i don't disable being able to "use universal driver if non-native print driver does not exist" then? good.[01:12:55] <|Atum|> the universal printer, no[01:13:05] <|Atum|> the universal driver, yes[01:13:17] <|Atum|> gotta run[01:15:02] <makson> Hi Gents - Haven't worked with XS in a while, what is the process to change the MTU settings on an existing bond? Does it require breaking and recreating? it;s a management interface for ISCSI. Thanks.[01:48:17] *** rr has joined #Citrix[01:56:26] *** MartynKeigher has joined #Citrix[01:58:54] *** makson has left #Citrix[02:03:16] *** xSnakeDoctor has quit IRC[02:22:35] *** hardlock has joined #Citrix[02:24:29] *** _hardlock has quit IRC[03:08:41] *** cy[] has quit IRC[03:09:27] *** cy[] has joined #Citrix[04:51:54] *** mesamoo has quit IRC[05:03:28] *** mixomathoze has quit IRC[05:10:29] *** mixomathoze has joined #Citrix[05:15:46] *** dh64 has joined #Citrix[05:17:09] *** MartynKeigher has quit IRC[05:27:17] *** siddharthv_away is now known as siddharthv[05:47:53] *** m3thod has quit IRC[05:52:00] *** m3thod has joined #Citrix[06:26:12] *** stgeorge has joined #Citrix[07:19:03] *** m3thod has quit IRC[07:19:03] *** foogle has quit IRC[07:29:53] *** MartynKeigher has joined #Citrix[07:30:45] *** Lajo has joined #Citrix[07:52:43] *** MartynKeigher has quit IRC[07:58:45] *** kiste has joined #Citrix[08:59:22] *** Entil`zha has quit IRC[08:59:30] *** Entil`zha has joined #Citrix[09:16:57] *** stgeorge has quit IRC[09:18:29] *** paradizelost has quit IRC[09:35:33] *** bryan has joined #Citrix[09:35:46] <bryan> HI, i need to customize citrix self service UI[09:35:55] <bryan> can anybody help me how could i do that[09:35:57] *** bryan is now known as Guest82566[09:36:09] <Guest82566> hi[09:36:20] <WyW> where are you running the self service?[09:36:24] <Guest82566> i need to customize citrix self service UI,[09:36:30] <WyW> which self service are you talking about?[09:37:16] <Guest82566> i am connecting to citrix receiver using self service UI[09:37:24] <Guest82566> from my embedded system[09:37:39] <WyW> self service ui = storefront?[09:37:41] <Guest82566> not i need to provide some local settings UI along with self service UI[09:37:47] <Guest82566> how could i do this[09:38:04] <Guest82566> yes .. storefront[09:38:24] <WyW> so it's the green UI you're talking about?[09:38:32] <WyW> which version of you're on?[09:38:35] <Guest82566> yes right[09:38:44] <Guest82566> which shows initial login/pwd screen[09:39:11] <WyW> are you using NetScaler?[09:39:43] <Guest82566> no[09:39:57] <Guest82566> as of now i am just doing it from linux pc[09:40:09] <WyW> you're connecting to it via browser?[09:40:18] <Guest82566> and launching selfservice app from terminal[09:40:23] <Guest82566> no[09:40:40] <Guest82566> directly launching selfservice app[09:40:49] <WyW> changing the looks of the Receiver client isn't possible[09:40:53] <Guest82566> not using any browser[09:40:54] <WyW> afaik[09:41:31] <Guest82566> when we launch selfservice app[09:41:44] <Guest82566> it launches one webkitgtk based ui[09:41:50] <Guest82566> which is using storefront[09:41:57] <WyW> oh ok[09:42:10] <WyW> I don't know about that[09:42:16] <WyW> sorry for waisting your time :)[09:42:25] <Guest82566> so i am able to customize that green UI from $ICAClient/site[09:43:48] <Guest82566> is it possible to make extra web pages ourself and integrate with stoerfront UI[09:50:58] *** Bsony has joined #Citrix[10:01:48] <Grelot`Afk> will changing the storefront webpage change the launcher ?[10:01:52] *** Grelot`Afk is now known as Grelot[10:04:34] <Guest82566> No[10:04:41] <Guest82566> it remains same[10:05:03] <Guest82566> we need to just change the css file it $ICAClient/config[10:14:21] *** paradizelost has joined #Citrix[10:23:28] *** m3thod has joined #Citrix[10:33:14] *** m3thod has quit IRC[10:36:48] *** Guest82566 has quit IRC[10:36:49] *** Guest82566 has joined #Citrix[10:44:11] *** m3thod has joined #Citrix[11:23:33] *** Lucasje has joined #Citrix[11:31:18] *** face has joined #Citrix[11:31:18] *** dh64 has quit IRC[11:33:31] <face> does anyone know the criteria for a netscaler to remove licenses when upgrading from 10.0 to 10.5? just had it happen on the upgrade of an active netscaler in an active/standby configuration, where the same license is on both[11:33:39] <face> standby netscaler was fine.[11:51:40] *** unop has quit IRC[12:06:17] *** Bsony has quit IRC[12:06:44] *** Bsony has joined #Citrix[12:35:23] *** calum_ has joined #Citrix[12:35:43] *** calum_ has quit IRC[12:45:02] *** Lajo has quit IRC[12:52:28] *** siddharthv is now known as siddharthv_away[12:58:31] *** Lajo has joined #Citrix[13:00:28] <WyW> face: seems to happen quite often[13:00:32] <WyW> I have no idea why[13:01:00] <WyW> I just always backup the license files and check that they're properly configured after update as part of the process now[13:01:16] <WyW> with HA that's really painful[13:01:27] <WyW> because everything might work properly until failover[13:01:51] <WyW> and then I tend to check the wrong stuff[13:02:01] <WyW> or the licensing is not the first one to be checked[13:02:04] <WyW> now it is :D[13:05:05] *** cy[] has quit IRC[13:05:05] *** cy[] has joined #Citrix[13:05:49] *** Guest82566 has quit IRC[13:10:31] <face> WyW: yeah, annoying thing is it modifies the config so I have to restore that too (when the license is removed it removes some certs)[13:11:25] <WyW> yeah[13:11:27] <WyW> I agree[13:11:40] <WyW> I always backup stuff before doing upgrade[13:12:10] <WyW> but the first time I ended up re-downloading licenses from the citrix portal etc...[13:12:32] <WyW> from what I've noticed, you need ns.conf -file, license files, ssl certs[13:12:51] <WyW> + possible customization-files and rc.netscaler if you're using that[13:14:00] <face> i probably wouldn't have noticed for a while since when the certs were removed the services went down, gslb fell over and the secondary took over, so everything looked to function properly (from a "looks right when I access the vservers!" perspective)[13:14:51] <face> luckily i was watching the console to see the license errors![13:29:57] *** m3thod has quit IRC[13:32:26] *** m3thod has joined #Citrix[14:06:43] *** Bsony_ has joined #Citrix[14:10:19] *** Bsony has quit IRC[14:28:47] *** bo has quit IRC[14:43:31] *** aTypical has joined #Citrix[14:45:39] *** aTypical has left #Citrix[15:01:33] *** hspcd has quit IRC[15:36:09] *** dh64 has joined #Citrix[15:37:41] *** rismoney1 has quit IRC[15:37:48] *** zaveman has joined #Citrix[15:48:42] <zaveman> Hey Guys quick question, anyone know of something free or low cost I can use to backup (to a network location) a single XenServer with a few VMs on it? Kinda don't want to dish out the license for something like Veeam.[15:51:03] *** kiste has left #Citrix[15:52:41] *** hspcd has joined #Citrix[16:05:12] *** Lajo has quit IRC[16:06:46] *** Bsony__ has joined #Citrix[16:08:11] *** MartynKeigher has joined #Citrix[16:09:53] *** Bsony_ has quit IRC[16:11:02] <cy[]> dd to nfs share?[16:15:26] *** deunnero has joined #Citrix[16:17:12] *** GentileBen has joined #Citrix[16:30:08] *** kiste has joined #Citrix[16:37:14] <vegbox> Veeam is awesome[16:38:54] *** acook has quit IRC[16:39:04] *** acook has joined #Citrix[16:40:22] *** acook has quit IRC[16:40:33] *** acook has joined #Citrix[16:42:25] *** acook has quit IRC[16:42:33] *** acook has joined #Citrix[16:45:47] <vegbox> I am trying to map out SRM with XenDesktop, so far I have come up with a solution (for testing). In my test bubble I will have one AD server (with all fsmo roles), windows file server for network shares and profiles. Then I will have my virtual desktops with two nics (one sitting on the test bubble vlan and the other one an outside vlan), the outside vlan will enable my desktop broker allowing me to connect in. I am wondering if tha[16:45:48] <vegbox> t will work?[16:46:26] *** acook has quit IRC[16:46:37] *** acook has joined #Citrix[16:48:43] *** acook has quit IRC[16:50:14] *** acook has joined #Citrix[17:00:42] *** Bsony__ has quit IRC[17:06:17] *** xSnakeDoctor has joined #Citrix[17:17:08] <David62277> i figured out the non-registering issue[17:17:17] <David62277> from the other day if anyone is interested[17:18:02] <David62277> turns out XD 7.6 doesnt like it when you use the same vdisk for both PvD desktops and random desktops[17:18:50] <David62277> i ended up merging my image, renaming it, deleting that merged version, importing the renamed vdisk, removing the vda from that image, and re-installing without the PvD feature... that fixed it[17:20:34] <Grelot> so you downgraded to 7.5 to try it ?[17:20:43] <Grelot> or it happened also with 7.6 ?[17:20:57] <David62277> i took it all the way back to 7.1 and upgraded to 7.5 and then 7.6[17:21:14] <David62277> the only version that has an issue booting both types of desktops from one vdisk is 7.6[17:30:41] <Grelot> good to know[17:37:36] *** acook has quit IRC[17:37:44] *** acook has joined #Citrix[17:47:54] *** Bsony has joined #Citrix[17:48:18] *** zaveman has quit IRC[18:07:12] <vegbox> Anyone concerned about CVE-2014-0224[18:07:17] <vegbox> on NetScaler 10.5?[18:07:46] *** Andy___ has joined #Citrix[18:08:10] *** Andy___ is now known as Guest61952[18:08:30] <rsrevord> no iirc all the checks done showed netscaler not vunerlable.[18:08:37] <rsrevord> bah stupid spelling[18:10:21] <rsrevord> vegbox: you might find this one interesting[18:10:27] <rsrevord> http://www.netscalerrocks.com/netscaler/shellshock-netscaler/[18:14:47] *** kiste has quit IRC[18:20:16] <vegbox> Hmmm[18:23:39] <|Atum|> 52.11 plugs the hole too supposedly[18:26:14] <vegbox> I am on 10.5 52.11nc as well[18:28:36] <ctx_admin> quick question to XD7 experts. If I have a VDI1 in the registry of which ListofDDCs contain DDC1 and DDC2, but there is also DDC3 available in the same site, but on different subnet and not in the registry on VDI1. How in the world this VDI1 show up registered using DDC3?[18:35:32] <rsrevord> because once it talks to vdi1 it gets th elist of all controllers[18:36:23] <vegbox> there is a new version of vpx netscaler[18:36:47] <vegbox> is ddc3 using the same sql server?[18:36:49] <vegbox> as the other two?[18:37:07] <vegbox> also waht rsrevord said[18:37:07] <vegbox> lol[18:42:02] <ctx_admin> yes, using same sql server, same site, just another subnet at another datacenter[18:43:00] <ctx_admin> I just want to make sure that its expected behavior, becasue I got some intermittent issues with users unable to launch their VDI and DDC gets event id 1101[18:43:13] <vegbox> through the netscaler?[18:43:19] <vegbox> or via internal storefront?[18:44:05] <ctx_admin> vegbox, who is the question for?[18:44:38] *** jimb has quit IRC[18:44:39] <vegbox> you[18:44:49] <vegbox> well, ctx_admin[18:44:50] <vegbox> Lol[18:44:54] <ctx_admin> both, could be netscaler or internal[18:46:06] <vegbox> did you add the third as a sta?[18:47:01] <ctx_admin> internally I am using WI, not storefront and no I did not. which STA config is irrelevant[18:47:18] <vegbox> yeah for that it is[18:47:18] <|Atum|> [From Build 53.9] [#505951][18:47:23] <|Atum|> work in progress[18:47:24] <|Atum|> ...[18:47:29] <|Atum|> Thanks netscaler release notes[18:47:32] <ctx_admin> event 1101 = The Citrix Broker Service cannot find any available virtual machines. But VDI is clearly available with no users and registered[18:47:40] <vegbox> Love it right |Atum|[18:47:58] <ctx_admin> but after user tries few times or restarts VDI, they can finally connect[18:48:09] *** hspcd has quit IRC[18:48:13] <vegbox> Seems like its rotating through DDCs[18:48:59] <ctx_admin> 1101 shows up at random on all 3 DDCs[18:50:16] <ctx_admin> which brings up another question. We tried SQL failover using Availability Groups and all worked fine, except for one thing. If master DDC (first built) is powered down, other DDCs are dead in the water with entire site being down...[18:50:33] <ctx_admin> once master DDC is back up, ther rest start to work as expected[18:51:04] <ctx_admin> is there no POSH command to promote DDC to master?[18:51:17] <ctx_admin> they all have proper db connections configured[18:53:37] <ctx_admin> btw, I am not expecting answers here. Just bringing up my experience to citrix community and if anyone came across it and willing to share their findings or knowladge, I welcome it :)[18:54:42] <|Atum|> ctx_admin: 'the other ddcs are dead in the water'[18:54:45] <|Atum|> define that[18:56:09] <ctx_admin> can not get into Citrix Studio, it tells me to specify master ddc, just like after initial setup. Can not access VDIs in the site.[18:57:16] <|Atum|> and you're not failing the sql at all, only the dc?[18:57:19] <|Atum|> that sounds suspect[18:57:32] <|Atum|> they should open as long as the database conn is good[19:00:44] <ctx_admin> dtabase connection is good. I am failover using availability groups so FQDN remains the same[19:01:06] <ctx_admin> I get event id 1201 - db disconnected and followed with 1200 - db connected[19:01:15] <ctx_admin> 10 seconds apart[19:01:50] <ctx_admin> after reconnected, if DDC1 (master) is up, all is golden[19:02:18] <ctx_admin> if I bring down DDC1 and only leave DDC2 and DDC3 up, site is inaccesable[19:02:26] *** tdannecy has joined #Citrix[19:03:09] <ctx_admin> when all DDCs are up VDIs register across all 3 of them (even though DDC3 is not in ListofDDCs)[19:07:15] <David62277> thats because they all look at the same database[19:08:23] <David62277> if vm "A" registers with DDC "1" you will see it is registered in studio of DDC "2"[19:08:51] <David62277> are you load balancing the DDCs?[19:09:33] <ctx_admin> I dod not lob DDCs. I know its going to show up in studio on DDC 2. I am reffering to Broker attribute[19:09:45] <ctx_admin> not the fact that it shows up on DDC2[19:10:34] <David62277> how does ddc2 react when you take down ddc1? studio and everything still work?[19:10:44] <ctx_admin> nothing works[19:11:04] <David62277> makes me think DDC1 had sql express on it, and the database[19:11:16] <ctx_admin> studio is down, can't connect to VDIs[19:11:44] <ctx_admin> no SQL express. All are conecting to SQL 2012 Always-On Availability Group instance[19:11:50] <ctx_admin> with 3 SQL servers[19:12:05] <David62277> on DDC1 open powershell... type in asnp citrix*[19:12:12] <David62277> then do get-brokerdbconnection[19:12:19] <David62277> see where it is pointing[19:12:33] <deunnero> kinda upset that the status reports... no longer give percentages :([19:12:40] <ctx_admin> right, all point to SQL FQDN[19:12:49] <ctx_admin> on all DDCS[19:12:52] <ctx_admin> same[19:13:10] <deunnero> using the new xencenter... Export OVF/OVA package... Transferring virtual disk Time: 2:11:30[19:13:19] <David62277> if DDC1 goes down then it shouldnt break DDC2 or DDC3 unless there is a database on DDC1[19:13:23] <deunnero> no percentage or any idea of how long this is going to take Q_Q[19:14:13] <David62277> if you take down DDC1 what kind of events do you see on DDC2/3?[19:15:07] <ctx_admin> good question. LEt me look at the logs from last weekend.[19:15:41] <David62277> also... in powershell... asnp citrix* (if you dont still have it open)... then do get-brokercontroller[19:15:46] <David62277> look for state[19:15:50] <David62277> all should be active[19:16:29] <ctx_admin> I always have POSH open ;). All 3 there active[19:16:55] <David62277> do they all have numbers under desktops registered?[19:17:02] <David62277> or at least the first 2[19:17:14] <ctx_admin> yes, but here is what is different[19:17:23] <ctx_admin> ActiveSiteServies[19:17:31] <ctx_admin> some missing any values[19:17:54] <David62277> yeah mine are different too...[19:18:20] <ctx_admin> so I have one of DDCs has no values for ActiveSiteServices[19:18:39] <David62277> is it the 3rd one?[19:18:41] <ctx_admin> if thats the only DDC up, how would it handle site operation?[19:18:43] <ctx_admin> yes[19:19:27] <ctx_admin> like for example, only DDC1 is BrokerRepeater[19:19:33] <ctx_admin> and ControllerRepeater[19:20:35] <David62277> same in mine... but the other has workernamecacherefresh, scopenamesrefresh, and the connection vcenter[19:20:35] <ctx_admin> DDC2 is only ControllerNameCachRefresh,RegisrationHardening and WorkerNameCacheRefresh[19:21:07] <ctx_admin> DDC3 = nothing[19:22:01] <David62277> going to restart my "master" ddc and see what happens[19:22:06] <David62277> er shutdown[19:22:12] <ctx_admin> oh boy[19:22:17] <ctx_admin> hope its not production :)[19:23:14] <ctx_admin> well, in perfect world you should see no impact to your production environment[19:23:55] <David62277> lol not production... i have a test environment[19:24:52] <David62277> ok main DDC down and i can still launch a desktop[19:25:04] <ctx_admin> how about desktop studio[19:25:38] <David62277> checking[19:26:23] <ctx_admin> unless I had to start studio using MMC, poinitng it to localhost....[19:27:42] <ctx_admin> did ActiveSiteServices property value change?[19:27:53] <Grelot> haha, shutdown my production ddc brb :D[19:27:56] <David62277> interesting... studio isnt opening... but if i run get-brokercontroller all roles have switched, and main one shows failed[19:28:35] <David62277> so studio must link to the master somehow[19:28:44] <Grelot> can you still query through powershell ?[19:28:48] <David62277> yes[19:29:03] <ctx_admin> try MMC and load studio using localcomputer[19:29:24] <Grelot> oh yeah studio is different, I tried to change his port and I needed to change the port of all the fma roles[19:29:33] <Grelot> so I guess there is a lot under[19:30:24] <David62277> looks like the functionality of studio gets broke... you'd have to point it to itself. but all the roles show up on the non-failed DDC[19:30:50] <Grelot> but no access to studio is one thing, are your ddc working ?[19:30:57] <David62277> yes[19:31:03] <David62277> i was able to launch a desktop[19:31:07] <Grelot> but not for you ctx_admin right ?[19:31:13] <ctx_admin> now that we confirmed that studio fails if master DDC is down, I guess now I need to figure out why my VDIs fail to load[19:31:27] <ctx_admin> right, but I just had a lightbulb go up in my head[19:31:40] <ctx_admin> my master DDC is also hosting licensing server :([19:31:46] <David62277> so was mine[19:32:12] <ctx_admin> if license server is down, you shouldn't be able to start any XD sessions[19:32:16] <ctx_admin> if memory serves me right[19:32:29] <Grelot> it should have a grace period no ?[19:32:34] <David62277> get-brokercontroller should show licensing state...[19:32:36] <David62277> yes[19:32:42] <David62277> mine went to grace state active[19:32:42] <ctx_admin> not if there is no licesne server online[19:32:46] <ctx_admin> hmmm[19:32:55] <ctx_admin> then I still dont know why I am unable to launch VDIs[19:33:02] <ctx_admin> if my master DDC is down[19:33:37] <ctx_admin> scout upload to taas was not useful eiher[19:36:06] <ctx_admin> to answer question from earlier, during my fail my DDC2 would register eventid 1177 - The configured product edition does not support single-session machines.[19:36:15] <ctx_admin> assuming because licesning server was down[19:36:43] <ctx_admin> that followed by event 1151 - cannot connect to licensing server[19:37:02] <ctx_admin> then 1154 - entered grace period[19:37:09] <ctx_admin> but VDI still did not start[19:37:32] *** CuriosTiger has quit IRC[19:37:38] <Grelot> and what even do you get when the vdi doesnt start ?[19:38:43] <David62277> mine still start... and get-brokercontroller shows the licensing server as failed... grace period active[19:39:03] <ctx_admin> WI error, dont recall exact message unfortunatly.[19:39:59] <ctx_admin> I want to thank you all for checking and confirming this for me. I am going to schedule and other test and hammer at it some more. This gets me closer to resolution already[19:40:21] <ctx_admin> sorry to all, didnt mean to hijack the chat[19:40:49] <ctx_admin> really appreciate the help[19:40:52] <Grelot> its okay its already taken from your citrix ticket count[19:41:27] <ctx_admin> cant type. Wanter to say that I am going to schedule another test[19:41:39] <ctx_admin> lol[19:41:49] <ctx_admin> wanted[19:41:50] <Grelot> well keep us posted on the resolution[19:42:12] <ctx_admin> absolutely[19:42:46] <ctx_admin> this time I am going to keep licensing running and just kill other citrix services on master ddc[19:43:18] <Grelot> good idea[19:43:52] <Grelot> I would try to cut everything first to see if I can reproduce the problem, you never know ^^[19:44:00] *** rr has quit IRC[19:46:49] <ctx_admin> so back to event id 1101, anyone else get it by any chance? I found tonns of citrix forum threads on this, but no solution[19:48:21] <ctx_admin> unfortunatly I think this one is one of those old Citrx client protocol 1030 errors. Could be 10 different things...[19:48:47] <Grelot> the famous 1030...[19:49:16] <David62277> 1030 ive found is usually a ssl issue (not always though)[19:50:06] <David62277> in my case i got it when trying to hit my test environment as the ssl cert on it is like 256bit... microsoft set windows 7 to only allow 512bit and higher i think it is[19:50:17] <David62277> you have to go in and run a powershell command to change it[19:52:07] <ctx_admin> 1030 is history... event id 1101 is new pain in the ass :)[19:53:13] <David62277> change your xml port?[19:53:19] *** tdannecy has quit IRC[19:53:49] <ctx_admin> with sporadic "Can not find license" errors during VDI connection, and drop of a session[19:53:56] <David62277> antivirus installed?[19:53:59] <ctx_admin> those are my 2 major pains today[19:54:23] <ctx_admin> haven't tried XML port change yet[19:54:43] <David62277> ok leave ports as is... was just wondering if you had changed them[19:54:45] <ctx_admin> Trendmicro was already configured to stop scanning XD exe files[19:54:53] <David62277> try disabling it[19:55:03] <David62277> like completely[19:55:15] <ctx_admin> but could still be duing some network related scans[19:55:19] <David62277> seen antivirus cause major issues[19:55:37] <David62277> even move which is supposed to work for XD ... killed my upm[19:55:52] <David62277> mcafee move that is[19:57:09] <David62277> your ddcs connected to the vm hosts ok? can you do a power action on the vms from powershell on a ddc?[19:57:14] <Grelot> antivirus, first thing I disable on every pvs issue :D[19:57:49] <David62277> or from studio[19:59:00] <David62277> http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX134190[19:59:51] *** Synthead has joined #Citrix[20:00:01] <David62277> This problem occurs when a Desktop Group is configured with the ‘ShutdownAfterUse’ parameter, but is not properly shutdown by the XenDesktop DDC after use. When a session is started to a desktop group with the ‘ShutdownAfterUse’ setting enabled, the desktop is flagged with a parameter called ‘WillShutdownAfterUse’. This flag is cleared when the desktop is shut down by the Controller, so if/when a ‘ShutdownAfterUse’[20:00:20] <David62277> managed by the Controller.[20:01:55] <ctx_admin> my \ShutdownAfterUse is disabled[20:02:24] <ctx_admin> I will revisit my AV and see if disabling it fixes some of my issues[20:02:59] <ctx_admin> like everything else that happens out of blue, its difficult to t-shoot something that happens very sporadic[20:06:40] <David62277> any changes recently... like an upgrade or anything like that?[20:08:38] *** bart__ has joined #Citrix[20:09:09] <ctx_admin> not really. I am running XD7.1 DDCs and db, but my VDAs are 7.5[20:09:26] <ctx_admin> planning upgrading entire site to 7.5 within 2 weeks[20:10:23] <David62277> all the desktops showing registered?[20:10:29] <David62277> sure you checked that already though[20:10:32] <ctx_admin> yep[20:10:59] <David62277> and you can perform a power action from studio right?[20:11:59] <ctx_admin> one thing that does happen which I am not big fan of, but have no say... our VM admin migrates VDIs from host to host base on host load outside XD. and yes, I can perform power from studio[20:12:41] <ctx_admin> smae with datastore LUNs. he sometimes moves them to other LUNS[20:12:57] <David62277> maybe thats your problem...[20:12:58] <ctx_admin> those are not MCS or PVS provisionned[20:13:06] <ctx_admin> so, XD still works[20:13:42] <David62277> then again... ive moved my desktop around and didnt notice anything[20:14:25] <ctx_admin> its like looking for needle.... complexity of this environment is.... multi-forest/domain, multi-subnet[20:14:33] <ctx_admin> too many variables[20:14:44] <ctx_admin> over 50 diffeent forests and subnets[20:14:57] <ctx_admin> all part of same site[20:15:08] <David62277> yeah that sounds nightmareish[20:15:46] <David62277> and you have all the domains listed in storefront?[20:16:07] <David62277> or you just allow any and have them login with domain\username[20:16:17] <ctx_admin> there is trust setup and users login using dn[20:16:22] <ctx_admin> user at domain dot com[20:16:39] <ctx_admin> for netscaler I could not use LDAP authentication[20:16:53] <ctx_admin> had to stand up radius client to use AD authentication[20:17:18] <ctx_admin> otherwise had to create 200 authentication policies[20:17:46] <David62277> just found this... http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX122417 looks like a pain in the ass[20:18:40] <ctx_admin> its not too bad once you do your reasearch and find all the undocumented bugs with it[20:18:45] *** MasterXen has joined #Citrix[20:18:49] <WyW> sounds painful[20:18:57] <David62277> and assuming you have the supportmultipleforrest dword set?[20:18:59] <WyW> that multi-forest-domain nightmare[20:19:01] <ctx_admin> even desktop director needs special parameter to work[20:19:38] <David62277> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Citrix\DesktopServer\ADForestScope (REG_SZ)[20:19:52] <David62277> This value must contain a space-separated list of DNS names of AD forests. You are not required to explicitly specify the AD forest of which the computer running the Delivery Services Console is a member.[20:20:00] <David62277> pain![20:20:29] <ctx_admin> I got same shit for my 2 XA farms. pain indeed[20:26:26] <David62277> hope they pay you well[20:28:40] <David62277> if i was interviewing for a position and they layed out the environment like that to me... id be like... "it was nice meeting you, i hope you find someone" :P[20:28:50] <tabularasa> haha[20:30:02] <David62277> sounds like something you'd have experience with tabularasa since you do the CSP thing[20:30:48] <David62277> ctx_admin getting 1101 errors if one of his 3 DDCs is down (first one)[20:30:53] * tabularasa reads backlogs[20:33:25] <David62277> tabularasa... i figured out why my random desktops weren't registering the other day[20:33:29] <tabularasa> do tell[20:34:01] <David62277> XD 7.6 doesn't like PVD and random desktops booting from the same vdisk apparently. works fine in 7.0 through 7.5 though[20:34:14] <|Atum|> that definitely doesn't sound right.[20:34:34] <|Atum|> if they're two separate catalogs/collections it shouldn't matter[20:34:47] <David62277> it does apparently[20:34:53] <David62277> only in XD 7.6 though[20:35:24] <David62277> soon as i "split" the image and reinstalled the vda without the pvd components the random desktops registered just fine[20:37:32] <David62277> got a test environment atum?[20:37:35] <David62277> give it a shot[20:38:42] <tabularasa> ctx_admin: what do you have in your ListOfDDCs ?[20:38:59] <GentileBen> tabularasa, when's your CCE-V exam?[20:39:03] <tabularasa> Friday[20:39:08] <GentileBen> Ah. Feeling good?[20:39:31] <GentileBen> I've been knee deep in Amazon stuff this week.[20:39:47] <tabularasa> meh, i'm going in cold[20:40:02] <GentileBen> Intense.[20:40:07] <GentileBen> I go in hot for everything.[20:40:18] <tabularasa> well, i've been doing this shit for like 15 years.[20:40:23] <tabularasa> and do it EVERY DAY....[20:40:42] <tabularasa> so, i'd hope i could pass this one without much trouble. It's all design decision stuff anyway, at least I think it is[20:40:49] <GentileBen> Ah yes.[20:41:03] <Grelot> yep, you read the clients need[20:41:03] <tabularasa> 1 netscaler for convergence of 14 sites and 10k users? sure, that sounds like a great idea. :)[20:41:23] <GentileBen> It's what, administer --> deploy --> design ?[20:41:36] <GentileBen> Ironically the complete opposite of how the project should be managed.[20:41:39] <Grelot> manage -> deploy -> design i think[20:41:47] <GentileBen> Should be design --> deploy --> administer.[20:42:12] <GentileBen> Design stuff tends to be easier for me - it's self-evident.[20:42:18] <Grelot> na for certification purpose its logical I think[20:42:19] <GentileBen> No need to work out the answer.[20:42:33] <GentileBen> Well yeah, admin is easier than deploy or design.[20:42:37] <David62277> shoot --> ready --> aim[20:42:43] <tabularasa> hell yeah[20:42:52] <Grelot> haha[20:43:02] <Grelot> pretty much[20:43:21] <GentileBen> hide body --> kill --> plan murder[20:43:39] <Grelot> I need to study for my CCIA this friday, the study material feel so old now that I mainly work on 7.X[20:43:43] <GentileBen> CCIA?[20:43:58] <David62277> thats how my last company did things... most things were a knee jerk reaction... usually caused by an issue with poor planning... and then that would ripple to the next knee jerk reaction[20:44:28] <GentileBen> Says retiring November 2014, Grelot.[20:44:38] <Grelot> yeah I know hehe[20:44:47] <Grelot> but I get a bonus so I do it[20:44:49] <Grelot> :)[20:45:08] <Grelot> but its valid 3 years anyway[20:45:23] <Grelot> I need to find the source of that though[20:45:34] <GentileBen> It'll be valid for 2-3 years.[20:45:46] <GentileBen> Whatever that cert specifies.[20:47:52] <deunnero> David62277: >>Spray and pray works pretty well lol[20:48:23] <David62277> only citrix cert i have is a CCA in XA 6.0... been doing Citrix since 2001 or so[20:48:43] <Grelot> just started working on them recently[20:48:58] <David62277> experience trumps certs... but certs get you in the door i guess[20:49:07] <Grelot> actually I started when they anounced that they would retire them ^^[20:49:32] <deunnero> I would love to go and get citrix certs... Unfortunately don't have the $$ right now :([20:49:37] <GentileBen> tabularasa, are the CCA-V and CCP-V prereqs for the CCE-V?[20:49:53] <tabularasa> they will be after November 18th or whatever[20:49:59] <Grelot> don't your company pay for it deunnero ?.[20:50:01] <tabularasa> 1 exam from CCIA if taken before then[20:50:41] <Grelot> similar to the MSCA 2008 to 2012[20:50:55] <deunnero> Grelot: No... :([20:50:58] <Grelot> one exam... to rules them all[20:51:02] <ctx_admin> sorry, I am back. had to go grab a bite to eat... in my ListofDDCS i just have DDC1 and DDC2[20:51:13] <tabularasa> how do you have it?[20:51:21] <ctx_admin> over easy[20:51:21] <Grelot> and from the ddc3 what do you have ?[20:51:42] <ctx_admin> none of VDIs had DDC3 in ListofDDCs[20:51:49] <tabularasa> and when DDC1 is off, it doesn't work[20:51:51] <ctx_admin> but yet, about 1/3 registers against it[20:52:25] <Grelot> what happen when you stopped the services expect the licence ? same thing ?[20:52:26] <ctx_admin> if DDC1 is off, we already replicated studio failure here just now[20:52:28] <deunnero> Ahwell, atleast i'm getting more experience with citrix lol[20:52:37] <ctx_admin> but my VDIs dont connect as well[20:52:49] <Grelot> yeah deunnero, thats better than certs :)[20:52:52] <deunnero> just setup a pool yesterday, right now cleaning off our nas to set it up for doing high availability.[20:53:01] <tabularasa> all 3 DDCs should be in ListOfDDCs[20:53:05] <tabularasa> but i don't think thats the problem[20:53:48] <ctx_admin> I know, I am putting together a plan to update this via GPO, my issue is I have to do it againt 50+ forests[20:53:54] <ctx_admin> so not an easy fix[20:54:09] <Grelot> 50+ forest ?![20:54:25] <ctx_admin> my issue right now is not even that. Its about random event id 1101 and failoure for user to connect to VDI[20:54:27] <deunnero> Grelot: sounds fun lol[20:54:36] <ctx_admin> right, multi-forest environemnt[20:54:38] <tabularasa> heh, sounds familar[20:54:47] <tabularasa> GPO syncs across multi-forest = suck[20:54:54] <deunnero> Grelot: as long as there are no problems[20:54:55] <tabularasa> woudln't you pay a fuckload for software that would do it?[20:55:16] <Grelot> haha yeah deunnero, but its during problem that you learn the most :)[20:55:22] <ctx_admin> I think there might be something from microsoft that could do it, maybe? FIN?[20:56:00] <ctx_admin> sorry FIM[20:56:16] <ctx_admin> not sure if it does gpo though[20:56:46] <ctx_admin> back to my sausage and papper hero.....[20:58:06] <ctx_admin> this is what I get, but its not relater to windowsshutdownafteruse[20:58:07] <ctx_admin> http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX138934[20:58:52] <ctx_admin> I have dedicated standalone VDIs with windowsshutdownafteuse disabled[21:01:20] <Bobfrankly> that moment when your PVS devices reboot, and the persistance drive shoved drive letters around and screwed up your server[21:02:24] <ctx_admin> I beleive David#### pointed something out earlier that was not related to my problem, but could in fact be related. Something I just confirmed. So, since this issue happens very sporadicly, it seems that there is some sort of rotation going ing on. Maybe its broker selection. I just discovered that one of my DDCs missing ADForestScope key with list of all of my domains.[21:02:33] <ctx_admin> which is important in multi-forest environment[21:03:43] <ctx_admin> I will have to fix that and restart service and then update all ListofDDC's on all VDIs and then monitor for the event 1101[21:03:55] <tabularasa> i'd start there[21:06:33] *** xSnakeDoctor has quit IRC[21:07:44] *** bart__ has quit IRC[21:09:19] *** xSnakeDoctor has joined #Citrix[21:11:36] *** Lucasje has quit IRC[21:15:43] <Bobfrankly> does PVS have an option for setting the drive letter of the persistent drive on the target device?[21:18:45] *** Tom_Wurm has joined #Citrix[21:20:40] <tabularasa> Anyone have a Summit Discount Code?[21:20:41] <tabularasa> :)[21:21:09] <Tom_Wurm> tabularasa -- I can probably get one[21:21:27] <tabularasa> do tell[21:21:51] <Tom_Wurm> I never go because well I'd rather be billing[21:22:20] <Tom_Wurm> so each time it comes around my chanel rep @ Citrix usually kicks me a pass for a customer or someone. I'll ask for a discount code.[21:22:34] *** Subsonic_ has joined #Citrix[21:22:36] <tabularasa> that's cool[21:22:48] <Tom_Wurm> where do you see it ask you for that?[21:23:54] <tabularasa> right before you pay in the registration website[21:24:04] <Tom_Wurm> ok ill send an email off[21:24:08] <tabularasa> Thanks dude[21:26:10] <Tom_Wurm> is it still just for partners?[21:26:19] <tabularasa> yeah[21:26:22] <tabularasa> you a partner?[21:26:28] <tabularasa> or are you talking Synergy?[21:26:32] <Tom_Wurm> Summit.[21:26:37] <Tom_Wurm> are you a partner?[21:27:08] <Tom_Wurm> I am[21:27:14] <tabularasa> yes, partner.. silver and CSP[21:27:29] <Tom_Wurm> oh.. did you ask your chanell manager to hook you up? they should![21:27:44] *** Bsony has quit IRC[21:27:55] <tabularasa> i was just told the alumni discount and the multi-user discount are all i get[21:28:38] <Tom_Wurm> thats dumb I remember the days where they'd cover everything but the hotel and flight[21:28:57] <Tom_Wurm> although the last summit I went to was almost 10 years ago![21:29:50] *** uschxc has joined #Citrix[21:30:22] <uschxc> Anyone have experience attempting to redirect smart card readers OR credit card readers into XenApp?[21:30:47] <tabularasa> yes[21:30:51] <tabularasa> good luck with that[21:31:15] <tabularasa> meh, its only $650[21:31:17] <Tom_Wurm> ill still ask[21:31:21] <tabularasa> i appreciate[21:31:37] <uncon1> uschxc: you having a problem or are you asking if it's possible?[21:31:44] <tabularasa> hey dude[21:31:54] * uncon1 hides[21:31:57] <tabularasa> lol[21:32:43] *** uncon1 has quit IRC[21:32:54] <tabularasa> lol, and then leaves[21:33:03] *** uncon has joined #Citrix[21:33:06] <Tom_Wurm> man what did u do to him tabularasa[21:33:20] <tabularasa> he's scared of me[21:34:29] <uncon> it's true[21:36:41] <rsrevord> uncon's afraid tabularasa will ask questions[21:37:29] <rsrevord> uschxc: we had bad luck had to go XD instead for the CC readers they were usb based[21:37:37] <tabularasa> same[21:37:42] <tabularasa> USB redirection is limited in XA[21:38:27] <uschxc> I have a very large prospective customer who's having problems with it. They are saying the latest Receiver version broke it, and it doesn't work through NetScaler gateway. I don't know if its XA or XD yet... jsut trying to prep for the conversation[21:38:57] *** unop has joined #Citrix[21:39:08] <uschxc> So with XenDesktop, it should work just fine?[21:39:24] <tabularasa> more likely than not[21:39:28] <tabularasa> xa 6.5, rather[21:43:28] *** Subsonic_ has quit IRC[21:43:44] *** SYS_NOOb has joined #Citrix[21:44:04] <ctx_admin> hey David62277 or anyone else infront of working XD7 envrionemt. Can someone do me a favor and check registry hklm\software\citrix\desktopserver\XmlStaIdentity value?[21:45:00] <ctx_admin> while troubleshooting my ADforestscope for multi-farm environemnt I also discovered that my xmlstaidentity on two independantly built DDCs have same value[21:45:25] <tabularasa> thats bad[21:45:38] <tabularasa> need differerent STAs for sure[21:45:46] <ctx_admin> right, thats what I thought[21:46:05] <ctx_admin> I gues I can just change it to any random value, maybe +1[21:46:37] <ctx_admin> but I guess that would only impact my Netscaler external users[21:47:23] <tabularasa> yeah, i normally just change the last 2 digits[21:47:29] <tabularasa> 01/02/03/04, etc[21:48:01] *** SYS_NOOb has quit IRC[21:48:52] <ctx_admin> which service is assosiate with sta in XD7? Broker?[21:49:01] <ctx_admin> I am sure I would need to restart something[21:49:06] <tabularasa> yes, you would[21:49:12] <tabularasa> i'd bounce it, personally[21:49:20] <ctx_admin> whole box?[21:49:26] <ctx_admin> I guess it wont hurt[21:50:03] <tabularasa> yeah, it may have more than 1 service, etc etc, i'm not 100% sure what would get it, aside from a reboot[21:50:41] <ctx_admin> roger that[22:22:36] *** SYS_NOOB has joined #Citrix[22:26:52] <rsrevord> ok am i just being lazy or would't it be nice if the xd7 studio had a right click and RDP to any machine in the lists?[22:31:06] <|Atum|> so netscaler 10.1 says multistream thru access gatweay is supported...but how?[22:32:32] <tabularasa> thats a good ass question[22:32:40] <tabularasa> rsrevord: nah, thats not lazy[22:32:47] *** CuriosTiger has joined #Citrix[22:38:39] <rsrevord> there is a master class for ns tomorrow maybe thats a good time to ask?[22:42:59] <|Atum|> cant attend that but if someone is please do ask[22:43:06] <|Atum|> i have a 2 day NS advanced networking class on teh 16th[22:43:09] <|Atum|> but i need an answer sooner[22:43:10] <|Atum|> :>[22:49:31] <David62277> sorry was on the phone with an ADFS/CRM issue... just saw that ctx_admin... will look[22:50:15] <David62277> mine are different[22:55:10] <tabularasa> yeah, STAs are certainly supposed to be different[22:58:01] <ctx_admin> Since Atum brought up Netscaler topic. Anyone aware of the issue with AppFlow and session reliability?[22:58:26] <ctx_admin> once AppFlow enabled, SR stops to work[22:59:02] <ctx_admin> anyone seen any fixes for that?[22:59:14] <ctx_admin> short of keeping AppFlow disabled[22:59:18] <rsrevord> newp[22:59:19] <rsrevord> its crap[22:59:27] <rsrevord> tho they did release a new version last night maybe its fixed[22:59:29] <tabularasa> SR sucks anyway, don't use it[22:59:30] <tabularasa> :)[22:59:42] <rsrevord> tabularasa: lay off the crack pipe[22:59:49] <ctx_admin> its great, dont know what you are talking about[23:00:02] <rsrevord> he's jacking with the conv[23:00:07] <ctx_admin> our calls aboutdisconnected sessions through netscaler went down by 50%[23:00:08] <tabularasa> no, lets discuss[23:00:14] <tabularasa> WHY is it great?[23:00:20] <rsrevord> oh crap[23:00:22] <David62277> i have appflow enabled and afaik SR is still working[23:00:29] <tabularasa> ctx_admin: don't you think thats masking a REAL network issue?[23:00:41] <rsrevord> tabularasa: not for external connections[23:00:49] <ctx_admin> I agree, but I can not controll all network issues[23:00:50] <tabularasa> so, instead of getting disconnects, SR is just going to have the session HANG while it sits there and trys to regain connection[23:00:57] <rsrevord> you cant guarentee external quality so yes, the connection sucks but i gota fix the internet[23:01:04] <tabularasa> now, multi-stream ICA, is some "CGP" i can agree with[23:01:14] <ctx_admin> if user is at home on his wifi and using wireless phone next to microwave, he is going to drop[23:01:15] <uncon> |Atum|: what's the question?[23:01:29] <ctx_admin> then there is that...[23:01:50] <tabularasa> ctx_admin: do you really see more disconnects through your netscalers?[23:01:57] <ctx_admin> yes[23:01:59] <tabularasa> do you konw WHY?[23:02:01] <David62277> uncon... netscaler "rebooted" unexpectedly again... citrix support has already escalated once... and have yet to hear from the new person[23:02:01] <rsrevord> uncon: how does multistream work with netscaler[23:02:04] <tabularasa> or did you just enable SR[23:02:07] <ctx_admin> I see no disconnects on my internal network[23:02:11] <tabularasa> because, i see the same thing[23:02:14] <David62277> no crash files btw[23:02:20] <tabularasa> and SR just hangs the sessions, and my users hate that too[23:02:29] <rsrevord> tabularasa: agreed i wish it'd do something else[23:02:33] <uncon> David62277: no crash files? ):[23:02:34] <tabularasa> i see it MORE with the damn Wyse Xeniths...[23:02:35] <David62277> they rather a hard disconnect?[23:02:46] <tabularasa> they just drop hard all the damn time through the netscaler[23:02:58] <uncon> David62277: you sure it rebooted?[23:03:24] <David62277> tab looked at the switch logs... showed the ports going down (everything else on the switch stayed up. citrix support said it rebooted[23:03:31] <tabularasa> uncon: do you konw why you would see more drops through netscaler, vs direct ICA?[23:03:54] <uncon> tabularasa: different network paths[23:03:57] <David62277> bandwidth issue?[23:04:14] <tabularasa> i don't have an answer. CTX nor Wyse could ever figure it out[23:04:15] <uncon> David62277: check the uptime[23:04:31] <David62277> uptime said 75 days at the time (this was last week)[23:04:33] <ctx_admin> we got users connecting externally triversing 17+ hops[23:04:39] <ctx_admin> can't control their ISP[23:04:45] <David62277> but on the WI it said it had been up since 10/29[23:04:55] <ctx_admin> SR helps with session drops[23:05:05] <tabularasa> so yes, its just masking REAL network issues. :)[23:05:09] <tabularasa> but, i see your point[23:05:13] <ctx_admin> correct! :)[23:05:23] <David62277> anyways i gotta run... will you be around tomorrow uncon?[23:05:26] <uncon> David62277: a reboot would imply a near 0 uptime..... rrrrrrrrrright?[23:05:30] <uncon> yeah[23:05:36] <ctx_admin> hey, thanks David[23:05:44] <David62277> maybe we can go more in depth then if you have the time[23:05:47] <rsrevord> tabularasa: you make a good point tho, which bothers the users more, the hung session while SR does it thing or a disc[23:05:53] <David62277> everyone have a good night[23:05:55] <uncon> David62277: ok[23:06:09] <tabularasa> later David62277[23:06:12] <|Atum|> uncon: welcome back. The question is, I've enabled multi-stream in citrix policy. however connections go through netscaler gateawy. Is it possible to QOS the streams from client over a wan TO the gateway (which resides in the datacenter) ? there is no cloud bridge in play[23:06:20] <|Atum|> gateway is being used for insight data[23:06:29] *** nikade has quit IRC[23:06:33] <tabularasa> rsrevord: my point exactly[23:07:13] <rsrevord> ok i'll agree with that[23:07:17] <rsrevord> i just default to SR over none[23:07:26] <tabularasa> i default to none[23:07:26] <rsrevord> seems to generate fewer calls[23:08:23] <rsrevord> kinda like dfss vs xenap cpu[23:10:05] <tabularasa> which one do you think works better?[23:10:14] <tabularasa> i only used XenApp, but just switched all my environments to dfss[23:12:34] * Bobfrankly takes a hacksaw to his PVS image[23:13:25] <uncon> |Atum|: no[23:13:42] <Grelot> If the session disconnect I receive calls, if the session hang, the user pick the phone then the session resume and the user put the phone down[23:13:54] <uncon> it's all encapsulated over a single SSL stream[23:14:01] <tabularasa> until the 10th time it hangs, then they call and say, "why is my shit so slow?"[23:14:30] <Grelot> yeah but if it hang that often, the problem is elsewere[23:14:36] <ctx_admin> or they call and say, why my shit disconets 10 times per day...[23:14:57] <Grelot> and if you had the WI/SF session timeout[23:15:08] <Grelot> they definitely gonna be mad[23:15:24] <tabularasa> all things which mask a REAL network problem.[23:15:38] <tabularasa> if ISP sucks, its going to be a bad experience, period[23:15:56] <Grelot> I see what you mean, if its masked you dont go deep into the heart of the problem[23:16:05] <ctx_admin> well, unless my avarage user going to know how to use wireshark, I like SR ;)[23:16:07] *** Bsony has joined #Citrix[23:16:42] <tabularasa> if it disconnects a lot, i get the ISP involved[23:16:47] <tabularasa> normally packet loss, or something[23:16:55] <tabularasa> we monitor links and use netflow to see whats going on[23:17:13] <ctx_admin> when was a last time you called ISP support? Its never their problem :)[23:17:34] <tabularasa> with monitoring graphs, its easier to have a case, but yes, ISPs can be fuckers[23:17:43] <Grelot> "have you tried turn it off and on again"[23:18:49] <Grelot> the new gmail app for android finaly support exchange[23:18:50] *** nikade has joined #Citrix[23:18:59] <Grelot> its great[23:19:27] <ctx_admin> I had a guy on the phone trying to tell me that my fios download speed went down to 5mb, from 50mb I payfor in one day becasue there is something on my computer causing it. when I refused running their tools on my brank new windows build, somehow, magically my download speed went back up to 50 2 hours later[23:19:58] <ctx_admin> verizon support sucks ass[23:20:18] <tabularasa> lol[23:20:22] <deunnero> is verizon fios capped?[23:20:24] <tabularasa> later guys, i'll ttyt[23:20:26] <deunnero> lol[23:20:36] <Grelot> see you[23:20:59] <ctx_admin> gnite[23:21:03] *** Bsony has quit IRC[23:23:36] <rsrevord> tabularasa: isp's can be @#$@# is an understatement[23:27:59] <deunnero> lol[23:28:21] <deunnero> It seems like the vast majority of the isps are implementing bs caps[23:29:52] <rsrevord> think your right but for my home service so far none[23:29:55] <rsrevord> that i've noticed[23:31:05] <deunnero> we had to leave at&t cause of it lol[23:31:32] <deunnero> Dad was paying like $50++/month because of it lol[23:31:59] <deunnero> Cause our dsl usage was around 500gbs[23:32:31] <deunnero> that's in overages by the way[23:34:11] <deunnero> This one was light usage... lol http://www.mediafire.com/view/tnwkdnn46pe6jii/superoverage.jpg[23:41:33] <Grelot> i'm glad i'm living in france, fiber optic and no problems :p[23:41:45] <Grelot> (not everywhere of course)[23:42:06] <deunnero> But yea, what was funny is... we switched over to 60mbps cable for $9 more than the overage lol[23:42:55] <deunnero> Only reason why we were with at&t was because they had no caps... And with at&t I could run circles around the cable caps[23:43:51] <deunnero> I gotta jet :)[23:43:53] *** deunnero has left #Citrix[23:58:09] *** MartynKeigher has quit IRC[23:58:55] *** GentileBen has quit IRC