November 3, 2014 
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November 3, 2014 [00:00:35] *** Abhi_ has joined #Citrix[00:02:02] <Abhi_> Hi Experts.. I am currently installing XenApp 7.5 as the need is only Application virtualization, but in future i expect to enable xendesktop 7.5 with same set of infrastructure server (Delivery controller,store front). I heard or read somewhere that its possible to convert a xenapp 7.5 in to a XenDesktop 7.5 with addition of xendesktop license which obviously will have capability to deliver desktops and apps together. Please can so[00:04:28] <Abhi_> Please can someone confirm on this if understanding is correct?[00:28:47] *** Bsony has quit IRC[00:30:16] *** Abhi_ has quit IRC[02:22:33] *** _hardlock has joined #Citrix[02:24:29] *** hardlock has quit IRC[02:41:51] *** Elsa-- has joined #Citrix[03:20:38] *** m3thod has quit IRC[03:32:22] *** m3thod has joined #Citrix[03:52:21] *** nikade has quit IRC[04:12:19] *** nikade has joined #Citrix[04:45:17] *** Synthead has joined #Citrix[04:59:10] *** hspcd has quit IRC[05:00:13] *** hspcd has joined #Citrix[05:01:24] *** MasterXen has quit IRC[05:29:59] *** siddharthv_away is now known as siddharthv[05:30:13] *** SYS_NOOB has quit IRC[05:37:24] *** MartynKeigher has quit IRC[07:30:12] *** SpideR^ has joined #Citrix[07:37:55] *** unop has quit IRC[07:39:24] *** john__ has joined #Citrix[07:43:34] *** john__ has quit IRC[07:47:25] *** Synthead has quit IRC[08:01:59] *** Bsony has joined #Citrix[08:15:51] *** kiste has joined #Citrix[08:32:09] *** nitram has quit IRC[08:41:59] *** nitram has joined #Citrix[10:03:35] <Grelot> morning CET time :)[10:04:05] *** AbhishekB has joined #Citrix[10:05:35] <AbhishekB> Hi Guys, I am planning for IOPS requirement for Citrix XenApp 7.5 .. can some body tell me IOPS required for a XenApp 7.5[10:09:05] <Grelot> AbhishekB: this can help you : http://blogs.citrix.com/2010/10/31/finding-a-better-way-to-estimate-iops-for-vdi/[10:09:22] <Grelot> depends on your infrastructure, number of users, applications[11:05:08] *** unop has joined #Citrix[11:09:55] *** Bsony has quit IRC[11:10:35] *** Bsony_ has joined #Citrix[11:10:35] *** BobFrankly has quit IRC[11:16:07] *** mesamoo has joined #Citrix[11:16:20] *** dh64 has quit IRC[11:57:04] <Grelot> also, this just came out : http://www.brianmadden.com/blogs/brianmadden/archive/2014/11/03/10-ways-storage-can-make-your-vdi-project-fail.aspx?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+brianmadden%2Frss+%28BrianMadden.com+-+Desktop+Virtualization%2C+Consumerization+of+IT%2C+and+Enterprise+Mobility+Management%29[11:57:40] *** unop has quit IRC[12:11:08] <WyW> any ideas, PVS shows a vDisk only from one server[12:11:16] <WyW> some vDisks show two servers properly[12:11:29] <WyW> load balancing is enabled and the soap service has been restarted[12:26:58] *** jduggan has joined #Citrix[12:55:18] *** calum_ has joined #Citrix[13:06:16] *** siddharthv is now known as siddharthv_away[13:30:56] *** Lucasje has joined #Citrix[13:40:22] <tabularasa> morning peeps[13:54:10] *** Bsony_ has quit IRC[13:55:15] *** Bsony_ has joined #Citrix[13:59:23] *** Bsony_ has quit IRC[14:40:57] <tabularasa> I just got rollup 4 installed on all my XA6.5 boxes, and they release R05 beta... lol[15:00:44] *** bitkill3r has joined #Citrix[15:09:11] <Grelot> haha[15:09:32] <Grelot> i'll wait for the feedback on this one before :)[15:12:11] *** rismoney1 has joined #Citrix[15:13:33] *** Bsony_ has joined #Citrix[15:13:39] <tabularasa> well, certainly don't install the beta[15:16:00] <tabularasa> •[15:16:01] <tabularasa> This prerelease cannot be uninstalled.[15:16:01] <tabularasa> •[15:16:01] <tabularasa> Upgrading from this prerelease is not possible. You must rebuild your server before installing the final release and/or before upgrading to the next version of XenApp.[15:16:03] <tabularasa> •[15:16:06] <tabularasa> This prerelease will not be supported once the official version is released.[15:17:16] <Grelot> outch[15:17:59] <Grelot> do you have the link for the R05 ?[15:18:45] <Grelot> found it ![15:19:26] <tabularasa> http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX141624[15:19:30] <tabularasa> sorry, should have put that in there[15:23:18] *** rsrevord has joined #Citrix[15:23:20] <rsrevord> morning[15:23:36] <Grelot> morning rsrevord[15:27:24] *** Bsony_ has quit IRC[15:30:04] *** Bsony_ has joined #Citrix[15:31:06] <David62277> good morning[15:31:12] *** MartynKeigher has joined #Citrix[15:31:33] <rsrevord> hopefully all is well, going to be a long day, day 1 with a standing desk doubting my legs will hold out![15:32:18] <David62277> lol i knew a guy at my last job who had a standing desk... screw that[15:32:31] <David62277> might do the excersize ball seat thing though[15:32:32] <rsrevord> so far i like it[15:32:51] <rsrevord> tried that, i just sat and bounced all day long, gave me headaches while trying to read the screen[15:35:30] <David62277> gotta put a plug out there http://rwshar.es/bmpF2 <-- republic wireless. $25/mo unlimited call, txt, data (3g), or $40 for (4g). is a wifi/cell hybrid... uses wifi to call/txt if you're on wifi, and cell if you're not[15:35:45] <David62277> just switched to it and it is pretty sweet[15:35:55] <rsrevord> cool[15:36:11] <David62277> limited phone selection though[15:36:39] <David62277> i got the moto x and seriously runs circles around my old phone[15:37:21] <David62277> they have a $10 plan which is only wifi for data... but i wouldnt do that[15:37:29] <tabularasa> i have GS5 and hate it[15:38:22] <David62277> first phone ive had where the voice recognition works well for hands free stuff[15:39:04] <David62277> i work in a basement... cell reception sucks, but doesnt matter cause im on wifi[15:44:03] <David62277> so friday in my test environment... was upgrading from 7.5 to 7.6. i updated the vda on the desktops... only the PvD desktops registered... the random ones did not (same vdisk)... anyone seen that before?[15:46:08] <Grelot> moto X is cool[15:46:36] <David62277> lol realized the other day the thing has more memory than my TF201 tablet[15:47:09] <Grelot> you have the 2014 edition ?[15:47:23] <David62277> is 1st gen so i think 2013[15:47:53] <David62277> there is talk of them getting the 2nd gen though[15:48:18] <tabularasa> TF201? old school[15:48:34] <David62277> yeah got it a couple years ago on a black friday sale[15:48:40] <David62277> still works[15:49:03] <tabularasa> yeah, i sold mine[15:49:18] <David62277> ill keep mine til it dies[15:50:52] <tabularasa> i just don't use a tablet... i don't know whats wrong with me[15:52:01] <David62277> bout the only thing i use mine for is watching movies my wife doesnt wanna watch, and playing games[15:52:26] <tabularasa> yeah, all i would do is play clash of clans on it[15:52:38] <tabularasa> not sure i can justify $150 for a clash of clans tablet[15:54:24] <David62277> lol[15:55:24] <David62277> ok so XD 7.5 to 7.6 VDA... the damn things wont register once i upgrade. event log just says failed to register (but the list of DDCs shows up in a event prior to it). if i roll back to the 7.5 VDA they register fine[15:56:52] <David62277> PvD desktops booting from the exact same vdisk register just fine[15:57:57] *** mesamoo has quit IRC[15:58:57] <tabularasa> that's odd[16:01:46] <David62277> even tried uninstalling the 7.5 vda completely, and doing a fresh install of 7.6... still no dice[16:03:55] *** BobFrankly_ has joined #Citrix[16:18:06] *** deunnero has joined #Citrix[16:20:37] *** mesamoo has joined #Citrix[16:27:09] *** ghostmediapro has joined #Citrix[16:27:21] <tabularasa> xdping no longer works, correct?[16:27:25] <tabularasa> that was a helpful took[16:27:26] <tabularasa> tool[16:30:04] *** Bsony_ has quit IRC[16:33:33] <Grelot> I'm reading the "Citrix Virtual Desktop Handbook 7.X", half of the book is about :" you should do this but its only with netscaler"[16:34:01] *** nikade has quit IRC[16:34:20] <Grelot> "You definitly should use XML load balancing to manage the xml load, use netscaler"[16:34:52] *** gisd has quit IRC[16:35:02] <Grelot> why not include netscaler on the platinium[16:43:13] <David62277> i think they include a vpx with platinum[16:43:32] <tabularasa> do they?[16:43:58] <David62277> pretty sure they do... not sure about the licensing for the netscaler though[16:44:08] *** headscratcher has quit IRC[16:45:57] <David62277> oh nvm... looks like a cloudbridge vpx is included... not netscaler[16:46:55] *** headscratcher has joined #Citrix[16:50:15] <Grelot> cloudbridge is the new name for branchrepeater ?[16:51:53] *** BobFrankly_ is now known as Bobfrankly[16:52:07] *** Bobfrankly has quit IRC[16:52:07] *** Bobfrankly has joined #Citrix[16:52:32] * Bobfrankly updates his citrix name decoder ring[16:53:04] *** AbhishekB has quit IRC[16:54:02] *** m3thod has quit IRC[16:54:20] <Grelot> Citrix renames Branch Repeater and Repeater products as “CloudBridge”[16:54:27] <Grelot> got it :)[16:54:28] <David62277> yes grelot[16:57:19] <tabularasa> that they did[16:58:46] <Grelot> waiting for CloudApp and CloudDesktop[16:59:19] <tabularasa> heh[17:00:27] *** michelle_ctx has joined #Citrix[17:04:20] *** nikade has joined #Citrix[17:08:11] *** kiste has quit IRC[17:10:49] *** stormlight has joined #Citrix[17:12:07] <michelle_ctx> When I do a ipconfig on a Windows PVS machine, I'm getting two ip addresses. Also, in Device Manager, when I enable hidden devices, it's showing like 9 extra Citrix PV Network Adapter #0. What would be causing this. I already deleted all the ghost nics on the Gold image[17:12:32] *** stormlight has quit IRC[17:13:10] *** David62277_ has joined #Citrix[17:15:25] *** David62277 has quit IRC[17:16:52] *** stormlight has joined #Citrix[17:17:01] <deunnero> quick question... trying to add 2 servers into a pool on xenserver... I thought xenserver didn't care about the differences in hardware.[17:17:42] <deunnero> <server> This server's hardware is incompatable with the master's interesting[17:21:36] <johnelse> deunnero: http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX127059[17:21:44] <deunnero> ya, reading that one now[17:21:45] <deunnero> :)[17:21:59] <johnelse> cool :)[17:22:12] <deunnero> ran the command. Xe host-cpu-info[17:22:16] <deunnero> they are both intels[17:22:24] *** nikade has quit IRC[17:22:46] <deunnero> maskable at the bottom cpu 1: says base and the other server maskable: no[17:22:47] <deunnero> one sec[17:23:55] <deunnero> http://pastebin.com/c2yzW7c3[17:24:10] * deunnero continuing reading the article[17:24:24] <Grelot> michelle_ctx: you also have the ghost nic in maintenance ?[17:25:09] <michelle_ctx> No ghost nics in maintenance mode[17:25:54] <deunnero> ohhhh here we go... :)[17:26:05] * deunnero makes the other server the master since it has masking[17:30:23] <michelle_ctx> I read somewhere that said to delete all the ghost nics, which I did. But for some reason these streamed machines have these extra PV nics[17:30:24] <michelle_ctx> http://i62.tinypic.com/6h2a9k.png[17:42:36] <David62277_> looking at where I have the most space taken in the profile store (upm) I see "AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\WebCache.old", "AppData\Local\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\DOMStore" taking a bit... anyone know of any reason they cannot be excluded?[17:44:19] *** nikade has joined #Citrix[17:51:01] *** rsrevord has quit IRC[17:54:47] <Bobfrankly> |Atum|: did you implement this: http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX126042[17:55:55] <|Atum|> no[17:56:36] <|Atum|> you should seriously consider cache in ram + spillover to hard disk if at all possible[17:58:16] <Bobfrankly> that's for boosting ram+spillover :P[17:58:27] <Bobfrankly> I switched to ram +spill this morning[17:58:45] <Bobfrankly> with a 10GB WC vhd attached to my xenservers[18:09:36] <|Atum|> The new write cache option introduced in PVS 7.1, “RAM cache with overflow to disk”, will likely replace this feature long-term or be used in combination with this feature. Again, Citrix recommends testing in a development environment if using this new write cache option in conjunction with intermediate buffering.[18:09:54] <|Atum|> Sounds inconclusive :-p[18:10:12] <|Atum|> at any rate, good - interested to hear your results with hte spillover[18:10:24] <|Atum|> how much wc usage were you seeing before and how much ram did you assing[18:10:31] <|Atum|> for our env we gave 2gb ram per XA server[18:10:52] *** hspcd has quit IRC[18:11:42] *** hspcd has joined #Citrix[18:12:08] <Bobfrankly> I gave 512 to start[18:12:52] <Bobfrankly> the largest WC file I saw when cached back to server was 5.7 GB. Usually it's closer to 2-3GB[18:13:14] <Bobfrankly> 5.7 GB on the server was likely someone trying to install some crapware[18:13:58] <|Atum|> how often do you reboot[18:14:18] <|Atum|> with vhdx used in the new feature, empty space can be reused within the WC, so your wc might be smaller over time[18:18:45] <Bobfrankly> nightly reboot[18:18:56] <Bobfrankly> dirty dirty users[18:19:42] <David62277_> make sure you're at 7.1.3... 7.1.0 doesnt work quite right[18:20:09] <Bobfrankly> yeah, I'm at 7.1.3.1[18:20:19] <Bobfrankly> or so the console tells me[18:23:48] <David62277_> should be good to go... vhdx should start at 4MB and grow/shrink from there[18:25:33] *** David62277_ is now known as David62277[18:25:34] <Bobfrankly> I still got some testing time, I think most of it will be spent tweaking the image though...[18:25:48] <Bobfrankly> aiming for production with the new year[18:51:10] <|Atum|> 'add shortcut to users desktop' in XD 7.6 eh[18:51:18] <|Atum|> are there limitations to this with receiver ver?[18:51:22] <|Atum|> or storefront?[18:52:35] <vegbox> Gah, the n500 firmware 2.0 is pretty good but not quite there yet[18:52:44] *** deunnero has quit IRC[18:54:57] *** deunnero has joined #Citrix[19:02:06] *** rsrevord has joined #Citrix[19:15:05] <tabularasa> what's it missing?[19:18:47] <vegbox> A bit more speed lol[19:19:01] <|Atum|> boot time?[19:19:08] <|Atum|> the answer there is never shut them down.[19:19:23] <|Atum|> 55 second boot is terrible but $160 price point is unbeatable :p[19:19:46] <vegbox> I this issue, I have a USB input device, Card Swipe. It works great when the device is plugged and usb works via any client. The problem is if the user disconnects (not loggoff) during a session and reconnects. The usb device flips out[19:19:59] <|Atum|> ah yes[19:20:06] <|Atum|> that happened with our 10-key usb devices vegbox[19:20:11] <|Atum|> had to hit numlock twice on the numpad[19:20:12] <vegbox> N500 is not bad for the price[19:20:22] <|Atum|> "Glad" to hear its not just the 10key device[19:20:35] <|Atum|> harp on ncomputing some more[19:20:48] <vegbox> The only way to resolve the issue it seems is to close the application that requires it and relaunch it to reactive some driver[19:20:49] <|Atum|> it doesn't happen with Atrust clients[19:20:52] <|Atum|> and they're also $160 :P[19:21:01] <Bobfrankly> I've had nothing but horrible experiences with ncomputing gear[19:21:04] <vegbox> this happens on wyse and xenith[19:21:13] <vegbox> bob, check out firmware 2.0[19:21:18] <vegbox> its night and day performance from 1.6[19:21:21] <tabularasa> that it is[19:21:56] <Bobfrankly> veg, when they send you three seperate test devices, and all three have game breaking issues, you don't tend to give a company a second look[19:22:11] <vegbox> Lol[19:22:15] <vegbox> What are you using if not n500?[19:22:24] <Bobfrankly> fats[19:22:27] <vegbox> I have been using HP and Dell[19:22:30] <vegbox> How do you lock down?[19:22:40] <Bobfrankly> that's not my problem[19:22:44] <Bobfrankly> :D[19:22:45] <vegbox> Lol[19:22:51] <vegbox> I got that problem[19:23:02] <vegbox> So Xenith is great for security[19:23:07] <vegbox> But not so great for End user experience[19:23:21] <vegbox> No Touch for FAT clients sucks.[19:23:21] <Bobfrankly> those guys use a plethora of scripts and absolut manage (formerly lanrev)[19:25:28] <Bobfrankly> they're starting to use some group policy, but changes come slowly when you're dealing with thousands of machines[19:25:52] <tabularasa> yeah, we have challenges with user experience on the Xenith's for ANYTHING but basic windows crap[19:26:23] <vegbox> For basic windows its great[19:33:56] <tabularasa> well, i'll say i've had much better success with the Pro models[19:33:58] <tabularasa> Rx0[19:34:07] <tabularasa> it has a real CPU, and seems to handle everything much better[19:34:23] <vegbox> Pro 2 is what I use for my user base[19:34:26] <vegbox> Works great[19:34:40] <vegbox> Just waiting for them to release a new firmware that uses DeepCompressionV2[19:34:44] <vegbox> Then I will be a happy camper[19:35:53] <tabularasa> DeepCompressionV2? Explain[19:36:08] <tabularasa> we should exchange .ini files and discuss[19:38:21] <tabularasa> what version are you using currently? I'm still on 210, though 310 is out[19:43:23] <vegbox> Firmware?[19:43:30] <vegbox> I am using the latest available[19:46:52] *** GentileBen has joined #Citrix[19:57:14] <tabularasa> 310, then[19:57:21] <tabularasa> so, DeppCompressionV2 ?[19:59:09] <vegbox> I am runing 2.0_411?[20:04:42] <tabularasa> 411? damn[20:06:38] *** ctx_admin has joined #Citrix[20:06:50] <tabularasa> make with the DeepCompressionV2 info[20:17:05] <GentileBen> Yo tabularasa.[20:17:21] <GentileBen> Passed CCDA/CCDP on Saturday.[20:18:00] <GentileBen> Scored 1000 and 970...was surprised at the 1000 - I guessed on 5 questions.[20:21:49] <tabularasa> ha, nice![20:28:41] <|Atum|> congrats! thats great![20:29:01] *** michelle_ctx has quit IRC[20:30:56] <GentileBen> Why thank you.[20:31:17] <GentileBen> My face was literally like this after the first exam ._O[20:31:25] <tabularasa> lol[20:31:35] *** Lucasje has quit IRC[20:32:42] <|Atum|> hehe[20:32:49] <|Atum|> I had a rough go friday[20:32:56] <|Atum|> Thursday night was upgrading our internal env to 7.6[20:33:00] <|Atum|> it went realllllllllllly poorly[20:33:18] <|Atum|> and i couldnt restore from backup, only had db backup[20:33:22] <|Atum|> engaged citrix support about midnight[20:33:59] <|Atum|> finished about 5am, went in for my ccp-n at 9:45[20:34:07] <|Atum|> passed that, but totally bombed 70-411[20:40:30] <tabularasa> oh yeah, my CCE-V is friday[20:43:19] <MartynKeigher> i need to my CCP-V soon... the CCIA expires soon.[20:44:25] <MartynKeigher> actually... it IS CCE-V[20:45:00] <MartynKeigher> good luck tabularasa![20:48:30] <tabularasa> thanks[21:01:49] <|Atum|> indeed, good luck[21:04:42] <David62277> atum what happened on your 7.6 upgrade?[21:09:45] *** m3thod has joined #Citrix[21:18:48] <|Atum|> Upgraded, director didn't work, checked some other stuff on the dcs, was getting exceptions in the powershell log in studio. logons seemed to work but it seemed bad(tm)[21:19:05] <|Atum|> went to rollback, found out my backup was no good (ddcs werent in the backup set!) so all i had was my db backup[21:19:13] *** R1ppa has quit IRC[21:19:17] <|Atum|> restored the db, tried to re-upgrade, auto upgrade woudlnt work, manual upgrade wouldn't work[21:19:34] <|Atum|> had to manually set a ton of values in the database to run the manual upgrade scripts[21:19:45] <|Atum|> Got to work with some fine folks from support in Ireland.[21:24:31] *** foogle has joined #Citrix[21:27:35] <tabularasa> citrixreadiness's crew[21:28:42] <|Atum|> the only person i'd heard of based out of that area previously was drpepper but he left there years ago[21:29:19] <tabularasa> https://twitter.com/citrixreadiness[21:31:44] <|Atum|> *follows*[21:31:56] <|Atum|> was this guy (most likely) https://www.linkedin.com/pub/david-flannery/31/739/505 + a french guy who's name i didnt get[21:32:02] <|Atum|> it was 3 am by that point :p[21:36:04] <tabularasa> citrixreadiness has been in here before[21:36:11] <tabularasa> he stuck around for a bit[21:36:16] <tabularasa> now hes MIA again[21:36:32] <David62277> atum - when i upgraded 7.0 to 7.1 it failed the first time... i just rebooted and ran the install again. it took it that time[21:36:40] <David62277> not sure if that would have helped in your situation though[21:36:45] <|Atum|> i tried reboots :)[21:36:52] <|Atum|> i had my fail around 8pm[21:36:56] <|Atum|> i didnt engage support until midnight[21:37:25] <|Atum|> namely because my citrix account is/was messed up and i wasnt a support contact[21:37:44] <David62277> just lie and tell them you're the contact ;)[21:37:47] <|Atum|> finally had to get stern with CS and say 'look, im not calling the company VP to get this case opened at midnight. Just open it under xyz name please'[21:37:50] <|Atum|> Yes I was about to lol[21:38:00] <|Atum|> the damn thing is i was previously a contact on the account[21:38:04] <|Atum|> and one day it just VANISHED[21:38:11] <|Atum|> anyway, thats sorted again[21:38:13] <|Atum|> just a pia[21:38:56] <David62277> im having a hell of a time upgrading 7.5 to 7.6 too... i have pvd desktops and random desktops which all boot from the same vdisk... only the pvd desktops will register.[21:39:16] <|Atum|> oh yes, pvd funsies[21:39:16] <David62277> i took the whole environment back to 7.1, and am going through it again without any pvs updates[21:39:23] <|Atum|> i read something about pvd and 7.6 upgrade![21:39:27] <|Atum|> let me see if i can find it[21:40:16] <|Atum|> so its pvs, 2 collections, 1 pvd 1 random[21:40:20] <|Atum|> single image for both?[21:40:28] <David62277> yes[21:40:44] <|Atum|> interesting - check to see if hte machine catalog was upgraded before the vda?[21:40:52] <|Atum|> if so revert the upgrade of the catalog[21:41:06] <David62277> the pvd desktops register though[21:41:11] <David62277> the random ones do not[21:41:28] <David62277> and the vda was upgraded first[21:42:17] <|Atum|> interesting.[21:43:13] <David62277> i upgraded the vda to 7.6 when the ddc was 7.5[21:44:10] <David62277> how do you see the version of a machine catalog... or revert an upgrade on a single catalog?[21:44:31] <David62277> i can see the VDA of the machines inside the catalog[21:44:37] <David62277> version of them i mean[21:44:55] <|Atum|> in studio, click the catalog and it says 'upgrade machine catalog'[21:45:03] <|Atum|> the vdas in the catalog all have to be 7.6 or it will spew at you[21:45:13] <|Atum|> once you are all upgraded you click oka nd it updates it to7.6[21:45:22] <|Atum|> then u can upgrade the delivery group(s)[21:45:30] <|Atum|> once u do that u get the prelaunch/linger settings[21:47:33] <David62277> DDCs are 7.5 right now... just trying to get the VDA to 7.6 and working (reverted the environment to 7.1 and just upgraded the DDCs back to 7.5). VDA is 7.6 on the desktops now... only pvds are registering[21:48:46] <David62277> i didnt know you could upgrade the catalog that way in 7.6, so ill upgrade to 7.6 and see if upgrading the catalog fixes the registration issue[21:51:11] <David62277> so if i have the 7.5 vda installed with hotfixes... do i need to remove the hotfixes prior to upgrading to 7.6?[21:51:28] <|Atum|> that i dont know[21:52:00] <David62277> only other thing i can think of that might have hosed things up... i had hotfix 008 on the desktop image... though i did try completely removing the vda and installing fresh so that probably isnt it[21:56:00] <Grelot> I upgraded my 7.5 vda with all the hotfix to 7.6, no problems[21:56:05] *** m3thod has quit IRC[21:56:09] <Grelot> just so you know ^^[21:56:23] *** m3thod has joined #Citrix[21:57:38] <David62277> ok cool[21:58:10] <David62277> i think there may be something to this upgrading the machine catalog thing... that or 7.6 doesnt like it when you use the same vdisk for PvD and random desktops[21:58:45] <David62277> 7.0 through 7.5 have no problem with it though[21:59:35] <Grelot> oh when upgradings your vms through mcs ?[21:59:48] <David62277> no.. pvs[21:59:55] <Grelot> ah ok[22:00:41] *** GentileBen has quit IRC[22:10:50] <David62277> upgrading first DDC now[22:11:57] <bitkill3r> trying to troubleshoot slow logons in a Xen6.5 farm.... Some folks gave me a few pointers here yesterday, but still couldn't pin point the issue... At this time, I've noticed that after I launch an app, and the receiver connection window pops up and does it's thing, the connection window goes away, and it takes aout 20 secs for the application to actually show...what could cause this?[22:13:20] <jon[sd]> is there anyway on a NS cli to list all of the session profiles? I've got a WinRT user that's still getting sent to an old SF store. I'd do a nsconmsg pol_hits, but I don't have the surface RT and the user we were testing with left for lunch[22:13:32] <bitkill3r> this is internally btw[22:13:40] <tabularasa> jon[sd]: show run? :)[22:15:25] <jon[sd]> lol....[22:15:27] * jon[sd] face palms[22:15:33] <tabularasa> :)[22:15:40] <|Atum|> why use hte cli only though? gui makes it nice :P[22:16:06] <Grelot> bitkill3r: on what OS your application are running ?[22:16:07] <jon[sd]> save myself from clickign through them all?[22:16:14] <Grelot> 2008 R2 ?[22:16:34] <David62277> bitkill3r... cookies![22:17:09] <bitkill3r> 2008 r@[22:17:14] <bitkill3r> r2[22:17:23] <bitkill3r> IE cookies?!?[22:17:27] <David62277> yes[22:17:31] <David62277> upm?[22:17:44] <bitkill3r> no UPM yet... just inherited[22:17:55] <David62277> what profile solution are you using then... anything?[22:18:04] <Grelot> you should publish a desktop, activate verbose through gpo and see what takes a long time[22:18:35] <bitkill3r> Nothing, just TS Profiles.[22:18:51] <|Atum|> jon[sd]: you dont need surface RT to test it[22:18:58] <|Atum|> if u have windows 8.1, just load the receiver from the store[22:19:00] <bitkill3r> it's slow on Welcome and Preparing Desktop[22:19:18] <|Atum|> unless you're explicitly trying to match on user agent "WinRT" or something[22:19:18] <David62277> ok so roaming profiles... check the cookies directory... if you have thousands of tiny files... those take forever[22:19:45] <bitkill3r> i've set verbose, it doesnt really hang anywhere except welcome and preparing desktop is slow[22:20:07] <David62277> bet you it is the cookies[22:20:10] <bitkill3r> i'll take a look at the cookies.[22:20:14] <Grelot> yep, try with a new user maybe ?[22:20:18] <David62277> thats what was killing our users[22:20:21] <Grelot> with a clean profile[22:20:27] <Grelot> see the difference[22:20:48] <bitkill3r> clean profile samething[22:20:49] <David62277> yeah if a clean profile comes in fast then it is something in the roaming profile... lots of tiny files take longer to copy than a few large files[22:21:09] <bitkill3r> roaming profiles are very small, 3.4MB[22:21:25] <Grelot> even small, it can be many small 1kb files[22:21:29] <David62277> yeah our cookies directory wasnt very big.. but you have a few thousand 1kb files[22:22:07] <Grelot> but if its still slow with a new user/clean profile, its something else[22:22:08] <jon[sd]> thanks |Atum|, I am running 8.1[22:23:03] <bitkill3r> yeah, its definitely slow with new users.[22:23:23] <Grelot> hmm[22:23:46] <David62277> logon script?[22:23:47] <bitkill3r> yup[22:24:02] <bitkill3r> actually i've tried a few without[22:24:08] <bitkill3r> same[22:24:09] <|Atum|> jon[sd]: that receiver should be the same. architecturally it is a different proc, but the code is the same for x86 and arm[22:24:14] <|Atum|> if its in the store[22:24:26] <|Atum|> BTW: For any interested with HDX Insight, http://support.citrix.com/proddocs/topic/dws-storefront-25/dws-configure-ha-optimal.html works beautifully for internal users[22:24:53] <Grelot> can you remove one server from your uo (to try without gpo) and remove citrix policies[22:25:15] <Grelot> see what happen[22:25:29] <bitkill3r> I've moved a test server to the Computers folder and experience the same[22:25:40] <David62277> could be a drive that can't be mapped, a redirection operation or failure[22:25:46] <|Atum|> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Diagnostics][22:25:47] <|Atum|> "GPSvcDebugLevel"=dword:00030002[22:25:49] <|Atum|> The resulting log file will be[22:25:50] <|Atum|> %WINDIR%\debug\usermode\gpsvc.log[22:25:58] <|Atum|> really, this page: http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/4506.group-policy-debug-log-settings.aspx[22:26:08] <Grelot> same thing happen with rdp connexion ?[22:26:10] <|Atum|> then use something like policy reporter (Free) to aggregate the logs[22:26:46] <bitkill3r> rdp connection is pretty slow, about 45secs to login[22:27:07] <Grelot> also taking time on preparing desktop ?[22:27:16] <bitkill3r> yes[22:27:20] <David62277> could be dns issue[22:28:14] <Grelot> or some hotfixes to pass ^^[22:28:16] <bitkill3r> we just had scavenging done... dont know[22:28:53] <Grelot> was it always slow or recently ?[22:28:58] <bitkill3r> always[22:30:00] <|Atum|> bitkill3r: between gpsvclog and gpp logging you'll see two of the biggest time sinks in the logon phase pretty clearly[22:30:19] <bitkill3r> i'll take a look those.[22:30:22] <|Atum|> policyreporter spells out the timestamps pretty nicely so u can look for gaps[22:31:13] <bitkill3r> awesome[22:31:38] <Grelot> interesting, I'm gonna look for a tutorial about that ^^[22:36:23] *** bitkill3r_ has joined #Citrix[22:36:42] <David62277> whoa... hold on... is XD 7.6 not compatible with Win 7 SP1? it is warning me when i go to upgrade the catalog[22:37:29] <Grelot> what[22:37:32] <Grelot> no way[22:37:33] *** jimb has joined #Citrix[22:37:56] *** xSnakeDoctor has joined #Citrix[22:38:29] <David62277> told it to upgrade anyways to see what it does[22:38:30] <jimb> anyone played with profile management in xendesktop/xenapp 7.6?[22:38:31] *** bitkill3r has quit IRC[22:39:27] <Grelot> I did put UPM 7.6 recently[22:39:38] *** bitkill3r has joined #Citrix[22:41:40] <jimb> bitkill3r - is it all integrated into the policies now? or do you have to still download/install it?[22:42:01] *** bitkill3r_ has quit IRC[22:42:34] <|Atum|> [13:36:43] David62277 whoa... hold on... is7.6 not compatible with Win 7 SP1? it is warning me when i go to upgrade the catalog[22:42:42] <|Atum|> if it is warning you, you may have 7.5 vda or earlier in the catalog[22:42:47] <|Atum|> or all your machines didnt check in with 7.6[22:43:14] <bitkill3r> what is? sorry[22:43:53] <Grelot> upm is included in the vda[22:44:31] <Grelot> and you can manage everything through policy since 7.X[22:45:14] <Grelot> Virtual Delivery Agent (VDA) for Windows Desktop OS[22:45:14] <Grelot> Supported operating systems:[22:45:14] <Grelot> Windows 8.1, Professional and Enterprise Editions[22:45:14] <Grelot> Windows 8, Professional and Enterprise Editions[22:45:14] <Grelot> Windows 7 SP1, Professional, Enterprise, and Ultimate Editions[22:45:17] <Grelot> for 7.6 VDA[22:45:39] <|Atum|> David62277: click machine catalogs, click on the catalog, then look at the 'machine' section on the lower panel above OS[22:46:03] <|Atum|> if it says like 7.5.0.4032, 7.6.0.5026 thats why you got a warning[22:46:06] <|Atum|> it needs to be 7.6 only[22:46:12] <|Atum|> else you get a warning[22:48:42] *** AbhishekB has joined #Citrix[22:51:32] *** deunnero has left #Citrix[22:51:58] <AbhishekB> Hi Guys, does any one know if Vmware SRM failover from one datacenter to other datacenter in case of a disaster is supported by Citrix XenApp 7.5. Having said that if i have a full fledged xenapp 7.5 infra running on vmware with SRM feature, if a disaster happens, SRM will make available all citrix servers on other site, so will Citrix be in working condition after failover[22:52:15] <David62277> ahh ok... maybe that was it... so after upgrading the catalogs and the delivery groups it shows that it registered in the event log, but then soon after i see - connection validation failed on domain "for user" for reason 'deny'[22:52:37] <David62277> on the ddc it says initializing[22:53:11] <David62277> the event log does not indicate that the machine is no longer a part of the domain or anything like that... time sync message, and gpos applied successfully message[22:54:16] *** jimb has quit IRC[22:57:04] <David62277> hmm that message might be because i logged on as the local admin to the console of the random desktop[22:57:38] <David62277> i look at the event log of a different one remotely and i do not see that message... it does however say that it registered... but the ddc's say they are initializing[22:58:28] *** AbhishekB has quit IRC[23:01:56] <David62277> oh well... shutting down my test environment til tomorrow... you all have a good night[23:03:34] <tabularasa> omg, one of my new customers has ViaB[23:03:37] <tabularasa> anyone use this crap?[23:03:45] <|Atum|> ha[23:03:58] <|Atum|> havent seen it recently, thats for certain[23:18:24] <tabularasa> i'm glad they bought them and destroyed them[23:28:37] <Bobfrankly> anyone using the comtrade management pack for scom?[23:29:07] <|Atum|> heh if you find someone let me know Bobfrankly[23:29:27] <|Atum|> id love to see their product but tbh i didnt want to get sales calls for something i wouldnt have been able to afford at the school district :p[23:32:09] <Bobfrankly> |Atum| lol, I hear ya, same boat here :P[23:32:40] <Bobfrankly> just downloaded a scom eval last week and trying to get my footing[23:43:10] <paradizelost> hey guys, quick question on office licensing[23:43:14] <paradizelost> VLK style[23:43:31] <paradizelost> 20 PC's, accessing termimal server[23:43:41] <paradizelost> only 5 users access office on the terminal server[23:43:55] <paradizelost> would the customer still need 20 licenses?[23:47:33] <|Atum|> if they log onto the server with it installed, yes[23:47:44] <|Atum|> create 2 servers, 1 with restricted access to the 5 users, and you only need 5[23:48:00] <paradizelost> customer doesn't have the resources for that[23:48:09] <|Atum|> then they'll need 20 licenses :-)[23:48:53] <Grelot> even if they can't access office on the server ?[23:50:17] <|Atum|> Note: Every device that uses Windows Server Remote Desktop Services to remotely access Microsoft Office requires a Remote Desktop Services CAL, in addition to Windows Server CAL and a Microsoft Office license. Dedicate a Microsoft Office license for every desktop on or from which you plan to use or access Microsoft Office, even if that use is only occasional. Examples of desktops that might...[23:50:18] <|Atum|> ...access Microsoft Office using Windows Server Remote Desktop Services functionality include Windows-based workstations, Macintosh computers, and UNIX workstations. The servers hosting the applications do not require Microsoft Office licenses.[23:50:24] <|Atum|> http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/briefs/remote-desktop-services.aspx[23:51:09] <|Atum|> A customer has 40 Windows-based desktops and 30 employees who use Microsoft Office on all 40 desktops.[23:51:11] <|Atum|> The customer needs to acquire 40 Microsoft Office licenses. This is consistent with the per-device licensing policy.[23:53:49] <Grelot> I see, can't you licence it per user ?[23:56:17] <|Atum|> check out the brief[23:56:34] *** MartynKeigher has quit IRC