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[03:13:48] <ftsf> Hi, when importing an ssl client certificate into chromium, what formats are supported? the file selection box just says "SSL Client Certificate"
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[03:15:07] <ftsf> I'm trying to import a PEM encoded certificate with key appended but it says "Certificate import error\n The private key for this client certificate is missing or invalid."
[03:15:30] <ftsf> the same certificate file seems fine when imported via certutil
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[03:16:07] <ftsf> although I'm not sure how to specify that it should be as a client certificate when importing via certutil
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[05:42:10] <danbeam> does anybody know whether one should be include base/feature_list.h when including something that generates output with the header in it? (i.e. chrome_features.h)
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[12:01:51] <ahoo> hi there
[12:03:00] <ahoo> is chromium using an MVC/MVVM framework for displaying the settings page?
[12:03:36] <ahoo> is chromium using an ui framework for displaying the settings ui ("cards")?
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[12:05:10] <ahoo> looks materialistic to me
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[12:30:10] <trungl-bot> Tree closed by buildbot at chromium dot org: Tree is closed (Automatic: "compile" on http://build.chromium.org/p/chromium.mac/builders/ios-simulator/builds/14430 "ios-simulator" from d502a3f2fa0b673a5082c1d601298bd114a9d237: blink-rebaseline-bot at chromium dot org,sakal@chromium.org,sdefresne@chromium.org,tzik@chromium.org)
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[12:44:14] <pumpkinz> when compiling an older version of chrome I am getting ‘CK_NSS_AEAD_PARAMS’ has no member named ‘pIv’. When looking at older versions of nss that struct never existed from when chromium-34.0.1847.60 was tagged I'm a little confused the read me supplied withint chrome references NSS_3_15_5_BETA2 net/third_party/nss/README.chromium. I've check several versions from mozilla.org and the struct never existed as it is def
[12:44:14] <pumpkinz> ined in ssl3con.c
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[12:46:16] <trungl-bot> Tree opened by msramek at google dot com: Tree is open (reverted https://codereview.chromium.org/2677993002/)
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[13:00:28] <Torne> pumpkinz: as the README says, third_party/nss is forked by chrommium :)
[13:00:39] <Torne> don't look at versions from mozilla
[13:01:34] <pumpkinz> okay where can I Get the version used in chromium to build against?
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[13:01:48] <Torne> it's part of our source tree
[13:01:51] <pumpkinz> its trying to use the header files on my system.
[13:02:10] <Torne> we explicitly don't do that unless you configure ti to do so :)
[13:02:23] <pumpkinz> kk brb
[13:02:27] <Torne> it would make no sense to use the system headers to compile against a library that's checked into third_party
[13:03:05] <pumpkinz> yeah it didn't make much sense. it helps getting a confirmation.
[13:03:16] <Torne> oh
[13:03:21] <Torne> actually it's more complex than that
[13:03:31] <Torne> on linux we use the system nss, but not the ssl part
[13:03:37] <Torne> just to get access to the system cert store
[13:03:50] <Torne> whoops, no
[13:04:05] <Torne> i duno, this build config is very confusing
[13:04:11] <Torne> also, wait, you're buildin 34?
[13:04:17] <pumpkinz> yeah I am triyng to build 34
[13:04:21] <Torne> ...in tthat case nothing i'm looking up is actually likely to be relevant anyway
[13:04:28] <Torne> because our entire build sytem has been replaced since then
[13:04:34] <Torne> why are you building 34?
[13:05:58] <pumpkinz> because it is a version that still used gtk instead of aura. I think chrome-35.0.1916.114 was one of the last versions available with gtk
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[13:06:20] <Torne> why do you need a version with gtk?
[13:06:38] <pumpkinz> the performance is far superior
[13:06:51] <Torne> 34 has dozens/hundreds of critical security holes, though
[13:06:58] <Torne> it's not safe to use for really any purpose :)
[13:07:18] <pumpkinz> True I am using it for testing purposes.
[13:07:32] <Torne> also, why do you need to build it
[13:07:46] <pumpkinz> I am slowing learning about this project.
[13:07:51] <Torne> if you just want to test something you can download a binary from around that time using our build archive
[13:08:11] <Torne> it's not particualrly easy to build very old versions because our tools have changed over time
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[13:08:21] <Torne> and we haven't always maintained compatibility perfectly in depot_tools and so on
[13:08:32] <Torne> because we don't really have any need to build things from a long time ago
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[13:09:46] <Torne> https://www.chromium.org/getting-involved/download-chromium <- the bottom of this page explains how to find a trunk build that's around the time that 34 branched
[13:09:58] <pumpkinz> my whole reason for doing this is to research what changed so I can maybe re implement gtk or fix the performance regression in aura.
[13:10:26] <Torne> Building 34 isn't going to help you figure that out
[13:10:39] <pumpkinz> I'll be able to see when the code was yanked.
[13:10:40] <Torne> what changed is that instead of using gtk to draw widgets, we moved to drawing all widgets ourselves
[13:10:46] <Torne> You don't need to build it to see that
[13:10:58] <Torne> this is a massive, complex change that's not down to any one thing
[13:11:19] <pumpkinz> I am aware it is not a simple task.
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[13:12:28] <Torne> you can't just put the gtk implementation back, and there isn't "a performance regression" to be fixed - it's doing something totally different, it's not like it's just doing the same thing in a different way
[13:13:13] <Torne> with aura, the chrome ui is bascially just all drawn using GL, the same way the page itself is rendererd
[13:13:23] <pumpkinz> well it is somehow bringing X to a crawl
[13:13:33] <pumpkinz> I am here to find out why.
[13:13:50] <pumpkinz> it not only effects chromium but the entire desktop
[13:14:19] <Torne> this sounds like an issue with your specific config, not a general issue with aura
[13:14:29] <Torne> aura is more efficient :)
[13:14:37] <pumpkinz> it kills X performance on resize
[13:14:46] <pumpkinz> it prevents all draws from happening across the entire desktop
[13:14:58] <Torne> are you the person from the other day who was asking about resize?
[13:15:00] <pumpkinz> I can't even to xcomposite
[13:15:11] <pumpkinz> or XSHM
[13:15:23] <Torne> i'm not sure what you mean
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[13:17:53] <Torne> the performance issue with resize is known and it's being worked on as we explaine the other day
[13:19:14] <pumpkinz> Okay I figured it was being worked on 3 years ago when it first started showing itself.
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[13:23:35] <pumpkinz> I failed to mention that I've seen this effect multiple machines on different distributions, not only my own. The common thread seems to be nvidia graphics.
[13:23:52] <Torne> yes, it's an issue with scheduling in chrome
[13:24:12] <Torne> this isn't naything to do with aura
[13:24:42] <Torne> it's because of GL window compositing
[13:25:00] <Torne> the scheduling of frames is bad somehow and it ends up asking the GPU to do way too much work
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[13:25:27] <oded> Hi, is it possible to give other Google accounts permissions to edit a Chrome extension?
[13:26:35] <Torne> no
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[13:27:00] <Torne> the instructions suggest creating an account specifically to own the extension
[13:27:15] <pumpkinz> which part of code do you think is running slow?
[13:27:30] <Torne> i'm not a graphics expert, but it sounds like it's running *much too fast* :)
[13:27:31] <pumpkinz> like which file specifically.
[13:27:36] <Torne> no file specifically
[13:27:50] <Torne> the issue is not the code being slow
[13:28:17] <Torne> the decision about when it needs to schedule a new frame is bad
[13:29:00] <oded> Torne: thanks
[13:29:06] <pumpkinz> what is doing the scheduling?
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[13:31:09] <Torne> this is a hugely complicated area that i barely know anything about, so i can't really explain all this
[13:31:33] <Torne> the UI is made of a bunch of nested compositing layers
[13:32:06] <Torne> some of them inside chrome (the main frame, the web content frame, maybe nested iframes in some conditions), plus the window manager's compositor sitting on top of everything
[13:32:35] <Torne> resizing involves updating all of these "together" since they all are expected to change size at the same time
[13:33:07] <Torne> and the way the compositors work means the decisions about when to start frames at each layer and how long to wait for them before giving up are a big complex hierarchy
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[13:33:38] <Torne> the renderer can't resize as fast as teh window itself, because web content is complicated and changing the viewport size can cause massive updates
[13:33:58] <tappel> Oh yeah. Anyone know how to actually publish an extension at chrome web store?
[13:33:59] <Torne> the doc Sami linked to that is not currently public the other day discusses this and the plan for making it better and saner
[13:34:28] <tappel> dev dashboard seems to think my extension is a chrome app, and restricts it to chrome os
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[13:34:45] <Torne> tappel: you probably want #chromium-extensions
[13:34:57] <tappel> torne: thanks
[13:37:39] <Torne> pumpkinz: so this isn't a result of anything actually specific to aura vs gtk, it's a result of using a compositor to draw the chrome window; you won't find the cause of this anywhere in the gtk->aura transition, because aura has always been a GL-based renderer
[13:37:58] <Torne> if you search for the point where it changed you'll just discover "it's the CL where we made aura the default on linux"
[13:38:02] <Torne> :)
[13:38:08] <Torne> which isn't going to actually tell you antyhing that can help fix it
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[13:38:27] <pumpkinz> well if I can see when the shift happened
[13:38:38] <pumpkinz> I'll be able to get a good idea on what changed.
[13:38:41] <Torne> no you won't
[13:38:53] <Torne> the CL that changed this was just flipping the default value of one build config setting
[13:39:00] <Torne> from use_aura=false to use_aura=true :)
[13:39:09] <Torne> the code for aura existed long before that and was being tested in parallel
[13:39:23] <Torne> and the GTK code was removed at some later point, but was already unused as soon as the build config flag got flipped
[13:39:36] <pumpkinz> so the render changed when someone compiled against gtk?
[13:39:49] <pumpkinz> renderer*
[13:40:12] <Torne> when using gtk the window was drawn by gtk, and just the actual web content inside the content frame was drawn by chrome's own compositing/gl/etc code
[13:40:22] <Torne> when using aura the entire window is drawn by the chrome compositor
[13:41:09] <pumpkinz> so what the heck
[13:42:15] <Torne> the solution is "fix the way the big tree of nested compositors works so that they schedule frames at sensible times and have sensible deadlines that, if not met, will just cause the old frame to be reused this frame instead of waiting for another one to draw", or something thereabouts, from reading the doc
[13:42:51] <Torne> there's just a bunch of little effects caused by the cascading resize that add up to deadlines being missed and useless GL work being done and then thrown away when it's not ready in time
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[13:46:28] <pumpkinz> it just blows me away that this is a tough problem.
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[13:46:42] <Torne> I mean, tough is relative
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[13:46:57] <Torne> it doesn't look like it's been a high priority
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[13:47:08] <Torne> it's not trivial to deal with
[13:47:36] <Torne> GL scheduling is generally a pretty tough issue though
[13:47:46] <Torne> you're operating with very tight deadlines and what you need to do constantly changes
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[13:48:41] <Torne> but, yeah. it doesn't look like this has been worked on a lot until the last couple of months
[13:48:45] <pumpkinz> the fact that it is able to make the entire system go to a crawl is concerning to me.
[13:49:03] <Torne> linux is a very tiny percentage of the userbase and this issue only affects one specific usecase and immediately solves itself when the resize is done
[13:49:09] <Torne> so.. it's not been the most urgent thing i guess
[13:49:21] <Torne> yes, that's because it's doing *too much work*
[13:49:36] <Torne> it's bascially eating up all your GPU resources trying to keep up with the new size of the window over and over
[13:49:47] <Torne> only to end up being too slow and throwing that frame away, then starting over with a slightly different size
[13:50:12] <Torne> it needs to try to draw *fewer* frames - it's not that it's doing it too slowly
[13:51:00] <Torne> so it's hogging all the resources that your desktop compositor needs to actually draw the entire screen
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[13:51:09] <Torne> and so you may not get timely updates of other windows either
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[13:51:26] <Torne> but actually they're probably still running fine underneath (the cpu usage isn't that high), it's just that you aren't *seeing* the updates
[13:53:03] <Torne> also, GL and compositing is kind of a trainwreck in X11 and barely works under the best of circumstances
[13:53:17] <Torne> X really wasn't designed aroudn the right assumptions for it
[13:53:25] <Torne> and all the extensions that make it work are big hacky workarounds :)
[13:53:45] <Torne> on a more modern graphics system it's probably less broken
[13:53:59] <pumpkinz> it is true. it is quite a mess.
[13:54:20] <Torne> so, yeah.
[13:54:35] <Torne> it's not likely to be something you can realistically help with or do anythign about unless you know a lot about scheduling/compositing of GL work
[13:54:49] <Torne> even if the design doc/etc were public
[13:54:52] <Torne> sorry :/
[13:55:02] <pumpkinz> however chromium is the only program that exhibits this behavior
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[13:55:15] <pumpkinz> Yes I am pretty handy when it comes to scheduling.
[13:55:19] <Torne> Yes. Chromium is doing something really uncommon here
[13:55:25] <pumpkinz> however only on the cpu side.
[13:55:28] <Torne> most apps don't have their own compositor at all
[13:55:48] <Torne> and chromium has a tree of nested compositors
[13:56:12] <Torne> the inner ones of which are *extremely* expensive to resize (i.e. web content - it's hugely expensive to resize a webpage, you have to basically redo the entire layout algorithm)
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[13:56:36] <Torne> this is really a problem you'd only see in things that are basically web browsers, and even then only if they have similar compositing designs
[13:56:47] <pumpkinz> honestly that shouldn't be that crazy it is not *that* much information.
[13:56:56] <Torne> ..it really is
[13:58:02] <Torne> even if this issue is fixed, the fix will effectively be that the page content "lags behind" the actual window resize
[13:58:12] <pumpkinz> the reason why I am really skeptical is that it performs fine with intel machines
[13:58:23] <pumpkinz> that is fine
[13:58:24] <Torne> i.e. the non-web-page parts of the window should resize/move smoothly, but the page will not be able to get re-rendered at a new width for every frame
[13:58:31] <pumpkinz> lagging behind is perfectly reasonable.
[13:58:33] <Torne> because resizing the viewport is so costly
[13:59:02] <Torne> it won't cause the same systemwide performanc eissues if you aren't using GPU-based compositing
[13:59:17] <Torne> it will jsut be slow "itself"
[13:59:27] <Torne> because it's not fighting the desktop compositor for GPU resources that way
[13:59:40] <Torne> if you turn the GPU usage off on the machien where it's slow you'll probably see this :)
[14:00:01] <Torne> of course it slows everything down in general instead, bcause drawing with the GPU is faster
[14:00:12] <Torne> but it probably avoids this particular tarpit of bad scheduling
[14:00:14] <pumpkinz> so the --disable-gpu-compositing switch should fix this?
[14:00:29] <Torne> Yes, I'd expect so, at the cost of making all rendering slower in general instead
[14:00:33] <pumpkinz> it doesn't
[14:00:43] <pumpkinz> even valve tried it in steam.
[14:01:04] <Torne> by "fix it" here i mean that it should stop it from preventing other apps from drawing
[14:01:10] <Torne> not that chrome itself will loo kany better
[14:01:13] <Torne> but maybe i'm wrong
[14:01:22] <Torne> as i'e said, i'm not a graphics expert at all :)
[14:01:42] <pumpkinz> it used to help a lot when passing the --disable-gpu-compositing flag
[14:02:10] <Torne> maybe that's not the right thing to disable to affect this, i dunno
[14:02:19] <Torne> or maybe my guess is just wrong, since i'm guessing
[14:02:22] * Torne shrugs
[14:02:40] <Torne> anyway i'm going for lunch
[14:02:50] <pumpkinz> okay have a good one.
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[15:13:46] <amosbird> hello, where is this RUNTIME function defined https://ptpb.pw/spPH ?
[15:13:53] <amosbird>  it's from some chrome extension source code
[15:13:57] <amosbird> i greped the source tree but couldn't find any definition for it
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[18:24:59] <fredw> kylechar: Thanks for the review. I'm signing off, but I think it would be great if you could check with tonikitoo about codereview 2693923004 and 2622103004 too to see if this MusDemoExternal and MusDemoInternal splitting makes sense
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[18:48:57] <trungl-bot> Tree closed by buildbot at chromium dot org: Tree is closed (Automatic: "compile" on http://build.chromium.org/p/chromium.chrome/builders/Google%20Chrome%20ChromeOS/builds/29359 "Google Chrome ChromeOS" from 5c881c966c106de42f6e3b142d555a02771c1913: chongz at chromium dot org,lod@chromium.org,nednguyen@google.com,palar@yandex-team.ru,pdfium-deps-roller@chromium.org,sfiera@chromium.org,tbansal@chromium.org,tedchoc@chromium.org,tzik@chromium.org)
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[18:50:41] <gcasto> Investigating
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[19:11:59] <gcasto> Reverted https://codereview.chromium.org/2690533002, bots should cycle green.
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[19:19:13] <trungl-bot> Tree opened by gcasto at chromium dot org: Tree is open (reverted https://codereview.chromium.org/2690533002)
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[21:14:08] <trungl-bot> Tree opened by xlai at chromium dot org: Tree is open
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[23:26:04] <jam_> it's turning out to be more involved than i originally thought
[23:26:14] <jam_> i'm surprised we dont see more build flakiness
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