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[00:00:38] *** Kelzorz <Kelzorz!~Kelzorz@67.6.83.103> has joined ##C++-general
[00:01:18] <kurahaupo> fyi 14336 == 7 << 11
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[00:03:14] <Guest16> I mean i took the character array, stored it in a python variable and did "print len(array)"
[00:03:20] <Guest16> in order to get the size of the byte array
[00:03:27] <Guest16> and it printed 14336
[00:03:49] <Guest16> and ill try memset now
[00:04:05] <kurahaupo> Guest16: how did you define the character array? How did you get it from your C program to your Python program?
[00:04:20] <kurahaupo> in short, how do you know you can rely on that?
[00:04:52] <Guest16> They don't interact. I used a bash script to create the hex output, write it to a file, and then had a python script determine the length by importing the file where it gets stored as a variable by the bash script
[00:05:00] <Guest16> Well you're right
[00:05:03] <Guest16> I don't know I can rely on it
[00:05:14] <kurahaupo> what does sizeof report inside your C program?
[00:06:10] <Guest16> So im kind of a CPP/C nub and I'm learning as I go, that being said, doesnt sizeof just give you the number of bytes for like (char) or something like that?
[00:06:15] <kurahaupo> how do you know that the size of the array called "data" in your C program matches the size of the data?
[00:06:15] <Guest16> so like sizeof(char) would be 1?
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[00:06:37] <Guest16> Here, let me explain what I'm doing and tell me if it sounds flawed, you make a good point but I'm fairly confident it must be right?
[00:06:43] <Guest16> ill do another pastebin
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[00:07:00] <kurahaupo> Guest16: yes sizeof tells you the number of bytes, which is the unit of measure used by memcpy and memset
[00:07:34] <Guest16> so while i create this pastebin, what would would i be getting the sizeof() ?
[00:07:43] <Guest16> just sizeof(data)?
[00:07:47] <Guest16> as data is the char array?
[00:08:17] <kurahaupo> Guest16: if it's an array, yes. But preferably show us the declaration for "data"
[00:08:46] <Guest16> guest16: it's massive, 14336 bytes lol, so I'll provide a truncated version unless you'd like otherwise
[00:08:54] <Guest16> basically an idea of how its declared
[00:09:55] <kurahaupo> so it's like char data[]={…}; In that case, just sizeof(data).
[00:10:15] <Guest16> oh ya, that's exactly it lol, cool
[00:10:29] <Guest16> its an unsigned char data[] though
[00:10:32] <Guest16> if that makes a difference
[00:10:40] <kurahaupo> no difference to size
[00:10:43] <Guest16> kk
[00:10:48] <Guest16> let me get sizeof real quick then
[00:12:34] <kurahaupo> given that 14336 is a nice round number (in binary), it's probably correct, but we need to rule it out
[00:14:04] <Guest16> messagebox doesnt like the long long so I actually gotta run this in my debugger lol
[00:15:23] <kurahaupo> Guest16: what does the 0 in the bounds mean?
[00:16:12] <Guest16> The lower bound of the dimension.
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[00:18:06] <Guest16> almost there.... lol
[00:18:52] <Guest16> OK so sizeof gives 14336
[00:19:00] <Guest16> So were confirmed on proper size?
[00:19:33] <Guest16> I just stuck it in debug mode and did std::cout << sizeof(data);
[00:20:56] <kurahaupo> yes, good to rule that out
[00:21:15] <Guest16> cool, so whats next? should i try memset instead?
[00:22:29] <kurahaupo> yes that would doubly confirm that the target rather than source is the problem
[00:22:44] <Guest16> kk
[00:22:45] <Guest16> on it
[00:23:07] <kurahaupo> I'm a little concerned by the reinterpret_cast. What type is it casting from?
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[00:24:11] <Guest16> oh im actually not using that anymore
[00:24:14] <Guest16> here let me give you the new code
[00:24:53] <Guest16> so i switched it to memcpy(safeArr->pvData, data, 14336); later
[00:24:58] <Guest16> per the advice of a friend
[00:25:18] <Guest16> and no longer do the reinterpreter cast. Sorry ill stop spamming, bad habit, ill control it
[00:26:02] <Guest16> give me a minute, figuring out this second argument for memset lol, ill figure it out in a sec
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[00:27:10] <kalven> the memset was just to do a sanity check of the destination array. if you've verified that your source array is fine, then the problem should be with the destination
[00:27:43] <Guest16> oh i see, ok i think i know how to run it now, that makes more sense on its usage lol
[00:27:52] <Guest16> i assumed at first its a memcpy replacement but it appears certainly not
[00:29:16] <Guest16> Building and deploying now
[00:29:45] <Guest16> Memset fails as well.
[00:29:53] <Guest16> so its the array then?
[00:30:31] <Guest16> something like buff[14336]; works but not this array so its something weird with the safearray and the bounds
[00:30:59] <kurahaupo> apparently. Can you show us the declaration of pvData inside CComSafeArray?
[00:31:34] <kurahaupo> it appears to be a Microsoft API thing, which I don't have access to
[00:31:41] <Guest16> I am not using CComSafeArray.
[00:31:57] <Guest16> thats some alternate functionality which i did find and considered using but this is apparently different
[00:32:35] <kalven> kurahaupo: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/oaidl/ns-oaidl-safearray
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[00:32:49] <kalven> microsofts APIs are fairly well documented
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[00:33:31] <Guest16> Correct: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/oleauto/nf-oleauto-safearraycreate
[00:34:06] <Guest16> but its not CComSafeArray, CComSafeArray is some wrapper that simplifies this or something, which im on the fence on switching to lol, but id like to get this working just so i can know what the problem was at least
[00:35:13] <Guest16> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/oaidl/ns-oaidl-safearray
[00:35:30] <Guest16> Like I said, the code i had in the pastebin is all of it minus 2 or 3 lines, you really aren't missing much here
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[00:36:41] <Guest16> which is also why its baffling me, theres really not much code here but what is here seems absolutely correct, so i can only assume its some flaw with the winapi within server 2016
[00:40:22] <kurahaupo> I'm not a fan of Hungarian notation for naming things; it implies that you're not allowed to change the types of things.
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[00:41:06] <kalven> just means you also have to change the name.
[00:41:08] <kurahaupo> PVOID instead of void* just seems like obfuscation
[00:41:29] <kurahaupo> kalven: sure, which then means you have to change all the places that use the name
[00:41:51] <kurahaupo> including in code you didn't write
[00:41:58] <kurahaupo> client code
[00:42:30] <kalven> things you'd typically have to review if you're changing the type as well
[00:43:20] <kurahaupo> If it's supposed to be an opaque token, the client code should not know or care about its type
[00:44:30] <kalven> those are typically represented by things like HANDLE in windows code
[00:45:20] <kurahaupo> something like pvData in that example should be opaque to stop people meddling with it
[00:46:25] <kurahaupo> making it pv (void*) locks it so it can't be changed - for example, to void **
[00:46:28] <Guest16> So no other ideas at this time? A firned of mine is making me setup windbg but i suck with debuggers so idk waht im gonna find lol
[00:48:03] <kurahaupo> Guest16: I admit I'm somewhat stumped. I don't suppose SAFEARRAY does lazy allocation, upon first accessing an element?
[00:48:59] <kurahaupo> (check whether pvData == nullptr)
[00:49:13] <Guest16> kk
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[00:51:40] <Guest16> Confirmed it != nullptr
[00:53:02] <kurahaupo> oh that is what the lock/unlock is about; "places a copy of the pointer in pvData"
[00:54:30] <Guest16> so i was confused about taht first but basically you have to LOCK it to write to it and UNLOCK when finished in that order lol, makes 0 sense but whatever
[00:54:46] <kurahaupo> your original paste has expired; do you have a new one?
[00:55:00] <Guest16> ya sure ill make a new one
[00:55:13] <Guest16> ill make this one 1 day
[00:56:53] <Guest16> https://pastebin.com/LyvNGhks
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[01:01:53] <Guest16> windbg says its an access violation so, thats confirmed at least if we werent sure before lol
[01:01:57] <Guest16> error code 5
[01:03:02] <Guest16> Its just server 2016, maybe i can try catch it lol
[01:03:11] <Guest16> ugh thats such a gross solution though
[01:03:29] <kalven> kurahaupo: pvData isn't an opaque member. The user is supposed to use it.
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[01:11:55] <Guest16> this sucks lol. Ill just disable this feature for server 2016 i guess. A rather inelegant solution to a frustrating problem
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[01:23:06] <kalven> what is the program doing?
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[01:26:29] <Guest16> Right now its just trying to store bytes within a SAFEARRAY that will later be passed to spDefaultAppDomain->Load_3 to load a dotnet assembly in a similar fashion to
[01:26:29] <Guest16> https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/vstudio/en-US/f82d10e4-0b45-440b-acbb-1f8cca32f75f/clr-hosting-from-c-loading-an-assembly-in-a-specific-folder-not-the-one-with-the-application?forum=clr
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[01:27:03] <Guest16> Im doing small bits of code at a time in case errors like the one I have no appear so i dont hit troubleshooting hell later.
[01:27:08] <Guest16> so i havent even reached the load3.
[01:27:13] <Guest16> im stuck at the memcpy.
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[01:27:44] <Guest16> The difference is hes loading the bytes from a file and im trying to load it from a char array
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[06:28:07] <quarterback> How are elements in a std::map ordered after inserting into them?
[06:29:09] <Gvidon> You mean, the actual implementation?
[06:30:20] <Gvidon> Wait, I don't really understand the question. After inserting into the map or the element itself (whatever that means)?
[06:31:28] <quarterback> after inserting into the map
[06:32:20] <quarterback> I inserted a few strings in one order and the map was in revere order as the reverse order was alphabetical.
[06:32:29] <quarterback> reverse*
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[06:33:12] <Gvidon> They're stored in the order specified by the map
[06:33:33] <Gvidon> By the comparator you passed as a template argument
[06:33:41] <Gvidon> Or std::less by default
[06:34:05] <Gvidon> It doesn't matter, what order you inserted the elements in
[06:34:54] <Gvidon> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_search_tree
[06:35:15] <quarterback> I inserted these strings - crime,and,black,together. The map was printed as and, black, crime,together.
[06:35:38] <Gvidon> Just as expected
[06:35:44] <Gvidon> What's the question?
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[06:38:07] <quarterback> it means inserting a string into the map sorts the map.
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[06:45:01] <Gvidon> No
[06:45:15] <Gvidon> The map is always sorted
[06:46:16] <Gvidon> New elements are inserted into their correct positions
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[06:49:13] <NetGirl> setters and getters ... anal or sugar?
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[06:58:02] <amosbird> hello, will ADL favor anonymous namespace?
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[07:04:29] <Gvidon> What do you mean by "favor"?
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[07:05:49] <Gvidon> ADL just looks for possible candidates
[07:05:58] <amosbird> look up the functions in anon ns first
[07:06:46] <Gvidon> I don't think the particular order matters
[07:07:11] <amosbird> so conflict is always a failure
[07:09:11] <Gvidon> No
[07:09:16] <amosbird> hmm
[07:09:35] <Gvidon> https://ideone.com/yQ5aN9
[07:09:49] <Gvidon> Both versions of foo are found, but it does compile
[07:11:25] <Gvidon> Because one of them is a template
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[07:12:05] <amosbird> ...
[07:12:05] <Gvidon> But it has nothing to do with ADL at this point
[07:12:15] <Gvidon> ADL found it
[07:12:41] <amosbird> how does template play with ADL?
[07:12:41] <Gvidon> But this is all it does
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[07:13:53] <Gvidon> ADL doesn't really care, it just looks for candidates. A template is as good a candidate as a non-template
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[07:15:09] <Gvidon> At least, this is my limited understanding. I guess, you need to write a compiler or two to really understand how all this stuff works
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[07:18:25] <amosbird> ok
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[10:40:39] <neure> hi
[10:41:13] <Gvidon> lo
[10:42:03] <neure> how would I show only symbol names with objdump?
[10:42:20] <Gvidon> Just use nm
[10:43:28] <neure> nm also prints extra stuff in front of symbols
[10:43:44] <Gvidon> awk, sed, perl, whatever
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[10:48:28] <neure> I ended up with this: readelf -Ws my.so | awk '{print $8}' | sort | c++filt
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[11:08:29] <markand> nm has the advantage of being part of POSIX
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[11:18:32] <doug16k> I have to use is_same for this to work, because if it were just a function taking a pointer it would never select the array overload (because it tries to avoid templates when it can, even if it has to decay the string literal to a pointer), right? -> https://onlinegdb.com/r1NZoehjB
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[11:21:32] <doug16k> proof? -> https://onlinegdb.com/Syw7nxnjr
[11:24:30] <doug16k> strange that the language will go as far as changing the type to avoid templates like the plague
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[11:25:10] <Gvidon> Templates *are* the plague
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[11:38:28] <amosbird> Hmm, is it possible to forward declare a subclass? Connection::Packet ?
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[11:57:35] <doug16k> Gvidon, yeah I ended up having to do a bunch of sfinae trickery in my real scenario to avoid ambiguous overloads D:
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[12:12:56] <doug16k> decent speed boost though not having to strlen through string literals
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[12:14:59] <doug16k> this will run under emulators, it makes a visible difference
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[12:45:16] <leni536> amosbird, not without defining Connection.
[12:45:27] <leni536> maybe just don't make that a subclass
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[14:31:22] <belst> hi, I have a weird problem, when I start my program via visual studio debugger (F5) it runs fine, but if I try to start it via cmd it crashes with abort()
[14:31:54] <belst> the crash module name is ucrtbased.dll :/
[14:33:35] <SlashLife^work> belst: Debuggers tend to do interesting stuff to aid in debugging. Such as preinitializing memory and things. That may very well change the runtime behavior of your program in the presence of undefined behavior.
[14:33:46] <SlashLife^work> Also contratulations on your first (I assume) heisenbug.
[14:34:27] <lilltiger> could also be a shrodinger
[14:35:12] <SlashLife^work> lilltiger: In that case belst would already know where to fix it.
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[14:36:48] <lilltiger> SlashLife^work: well, not nessesarly, just kinde needs to know that the code should not work in the first place
[14:37:30] <SlashLife^work> "I'm a noob. Why does this work?" - *poof* - "Oh ..."
[14:38:06] <lilltiger> =D
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[14:41:37] <belst> why eeven have a debugger if I have to do stupid print statements to see how far I get before I crash anyway ^^
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[14:44:18] <lilltiger> why write buggy code to begin with! ;)
[14:45:33] <belst> ha. found the problem. It is during boost::program_options::notify
[14:45:35] <belst> oof
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[14:49:28] <belst> it's weird tho. I don't even use any notifiers, so it has to be some boost internal stuff
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[14:50:00] <markand> boost program_options is the grub of parsing option library
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[15:48:35] <a-l-e[d]> how can i initialze a class member that is a std::function?
[15:49:47] <a-l-e[d]> ... as an example by writing it correctly? mmmm...
[15:50:30] <a-l-e[d]> yes, that seems to help : - )
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[16:09:05] <markand> a-l-e[d], like any other value? depending on what you want to put inside
[16:10:23] <markand> std::function is pretty flexible in term of construction
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[16:11:25] <a-l-e[d]> thanks markand ... i had a typo in my code, that's why g++ did not like my "std::function<void(int)> callback = [](int i){};
[16:11:40] <a-l-e[d]> ... now it works : - )
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[16:12:59] <markand> : - }
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[16:24:32] <LICFTG> Hi .. i had like to use two versions of same compiled program ( like wget2) , one the original and another one for testing my own version with edited/added code ? is there a way to make install both of them with different names ? or any other to achieve multiple installs and testing ?
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