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[00:18:41] <Unarelith> if I have a Foo class in a project I'm trying to separate between a client and server, should I call my classes ServerFoo and ClassFoo? SFoo and CFoo? Something else?
[00:20:51] <T`aZ> be as specific as possible, without being too annoying to type
[00:21:02] <IceN9ne> server::Foo client::Foo ?
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[00:23:31] <T`aZ> or Foo::{Class, Server}
[00:23:31] <T`aZ> need more info about what Foo is
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[00:31:21] <vdamewood> Why 'Class' and not 'Client'?
[00:31:39] <vdamewood> Also, SFoo and CFoo are cryptic.
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[00:31:55] <vdamewood> CFoo is who you learn Wushu from.
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[00:55:32] <Unarelith> why do you want to use a namespace for a class or a client?
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[00:55:51] <Unarelith> I was talking about class name convention
[00:56:22] <Unarelith> a namespace for the server isn't really useful because everything that uses its code will be in the server
[00:57:15] <Unarelith> and in my case it represents a chunk of blocks in a voxel-based game (so basically an array of u16)
[00:57:44] <Unarelith> but ClientChunk and ServerChunk looks pretty bad
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[01:10:29] <kalven> why?
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[01:31:26] <Unarelith> i think it's unclear, but Chunk was unclear to me too, a more accurate representation would be ClientWorldChunk and ServerWorldChunk but they're way too long for a type that's used everywhere (in my standards)
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[01:33:47] <T`aZ> remove the Chunk part
[01:34:11] <T`aZ> unless you have several servers and clients types
[01:43:12] <Unarelith> the class is named Chunk because it represents a chunk of a World
[01:43:25] <Unarelith> so wouldn't make sense to drop the "Chunk"
[01:44:22] <kalven> drop all of it, it's cleaner
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[01:44:56] <SlashLife> Did you ever realize that "unclear" and "nuclear" are just one letter swap apart from one another? :O
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[02:45:03] <Arfed> How bad is it, to have a template class designed to be inherited - class A : public TemplateClass<A> - where TemplateClass casts 'this' to the template parameter type (in this case, A) - and calls a function - void Foo(int Var) - effectively, using the template class, to force the child class to implement a function matching that template, but without using standard OOP/inheritance
[02:46:13] <noizex> Arfed: look up term CRTP
[02:47:03] <noizex> long story short it's rather popular C++ idiom
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[02:48:24] <zap0> why not just a pure virtual function in a regular class?
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[02:52:58] <Arfed> I would like to use pure virtual, but the problem is I am refactoring code to be shared between two types of classes. One type of class already implements virtual Foo functions, and I'm not allowed modify the public API. The other type of class I want to add the Foo function to. These CRTP templates seem to be one way of doing that, without altering the public API
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[02:53:47] <Arfed> It ust seems overkill/messy is all
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[04:05:58] <symm-> haha he just invented CRTP
[04:06:09] <symm-> I guess there's a reason it's "curiously recurring"
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[08:46:32] <amosbird> is there a c++ library w.r.t to musl C library ?
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[10:27:41] <emersont1> hi, if i'm working with decimals with between 5&10 significant decimal digits using the double type, am i okay to enable ffast-math to not lose accuracy?
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[10:43:12] <quarterback> C++ floating point values have error after 4th or 5th floating point as if a value is 1.23456789 , the stored value can be 1.22343478. There is a error of about 0.00001234 in all calculations.
[10:44:11] <quarterback> C++ floating point values have error after 4th or 5th floating point as if a value is 1.23456789 , the stored value can be 1.23343478. There is a error of about 0.00001234 in all calculations.*
[10:45:00] <quarterback> Some libraries seem to correct this offset. Not sure if your library does it.
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[10:46:05] <emersont1> it's the gcc STL implementation
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[10:48:21] <quarterback> Somebody else may be able to answer it.
[10:53:40] <immibis> quarterback: why?
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[10:53:58] <immibis> i mean why is there an offset of 0.00001234 in all calculations? or is that just an example number?
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[10:54:18] <quarterback> The above floating point error was with G++ and on a AMD A10 processor.
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[10:54:49] <immibis> and 1.23456789 - 1.22343478 is 0.01113311 not 0.00001234
[10:54:54] <quarterback> immibis, Just an example. The error can vary, its usually in the range of 0.00000111344.
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[10:56:19] <quarterback> immibis, The change in floating point value represented is around 0.0000011111. I have a small program for this I can post if you like.
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[10:57:22] <emersont1> sure, it'll be interesting to see what it is under various compilation options
[11:05:42] <quarterback> I have it somewhere...but I got a fragment of it.. for multiplications of floating point values.
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[11:07:32] <quarterback> https://dpaste.de/CwSe
[11:08:38] <quarterback> I tried to compute floating point values after '.' upto 40 places and found some interesting errors.
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[11:15:55] <Boobie> quarterback, that is incorrect. Delta increases beyond epsilon for higher floating exponents
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[11:16:54] <quarterback> So you are saying pow function is flawed and does incorrect calculations.
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[11:17:23] <Boobie> No, that is the representation of double. check std:numeric_limits<double>::epsilon then check iota for higher exponent
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[11:20:14] <quarterback> emersont1, What I meant is that if you do comparison between floating point values..make sure they represent their actual values only upto 3 or 4 places after the '.'. In this case you only check for delta (error) falls in some range. Floating point calculations are almost always not correct with standard computation using C++.
[11:21:28] <emersont1> right
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[11:24:08] <quarterback> I tried to generate the floating point value 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 but got something as 0.000000000000000000000000000000000999999 for same number of mantissa places.
[11:24:35] <quarterback> The actual values vary greatly depending on compiler, CPU
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[11:26:58] <emersont1> but is that going beyond the number of decimal digits it can represent?
[11:28:14] <quarterback> Thats only in the floating point part, not the decimal part before '.'.
[11:29:03] <emersont1> okay
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[11:31:43] <quarterback> emersont1, https://wandbox.org/permlink/lfzgsSN2MkRViJGU
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[11:34:20] <quarterback> Oops I think I said something about floating point value at 40th place after the '.'. Please ignore that. I wrote these functions a few years ago and had forgotten what it does.
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[11:43:32] <emersont1> so, if i've not misunderstood, a double is accurate to 15 ish significant figures
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[11:47:24] <snyp> When you are working with floating point, even if you start with accurate upto 52 (or 23 for floats) base-2 digits after the point, you will lose precision due to rounding as you do operations.
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[11:49:39] <quarterback> emersont1, More or less
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[14:18:01] <cbreak> use hexfloat if you want to be precise
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[14:57:55] <Aleric> What is a good/fast implementation of a flat map for integer keys and few elements?
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[15:32:09] <interaxia2> project structure question, using cake, multiple components, mix or binary and libraries, should I use a single src dr with sub dirs for each component, or separate top level folders each with their own src?
[15:32:27] <interaxia2> cmake* not cake
[15:33:03] <scruffyfurn> mmm cmake cake ....
[15:34:47] <TinoDidriksen> I would have a single src with per-target subfolders, so as not to clutter up the project root folder.
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[15:37:03] <interaxia2> yeah that's a good point
[15:37:44] <interaxia2> is it common to have a separate include dir, or keep the headers right next to their cup files in the src dir?
[15:38:04] <interaxia2> cpp*
[15:39:33] <TinoDidriksen> Best to keep project local headers next to their .cpp files. I'd use a project root include folder for bundled 3rd party stuff.
[15:40:06] <TinoDidriksen> interaxia2, http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2018/p1204r0.html is actually a good basis, except for the lib prefix.
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[15:41:46] <interaxia2> cool thanks
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[15:43:02] <TinoDidriksen> A fairly critical part is to use <> include for headers you intend to install, which means your project layout must match the final installed layout, but that's solved by having the per-target folder in src/
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[15:43:31] <ville> umm not really
[15:44:12] <ville> nevermind read that wrong
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[16:30:00] <amosbird> is it possible to specify only some functions to be interposable without compiling the whole object with -fPIC?
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[16:52:16] <quarterback> What would be a good way to detect a substring which occurs multiple times in a large string? First, its important to detect which substring is occuring multiple times. This is in a std::string data type
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[16:55:03] <cbreak> amosbird: -fPIC is mandatory on many platforms
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[17:01:00] <quarterback> In a string like aabbbcdefbbbefghijklbbblmnopbbbaaaqrstuvwaaaxyz. It should print bbb as its the subtring which occurs the maximum number of times. The program should detect the string on its own without user supplied input.
[17:01:26] <m_ben> quarterback: <regex>
[17:01:48] <quarterback> m_ben, Are there any regex tools in C++?
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[17:02:04] <m_ben> quarterback: https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/regex
[17:02:13] <quarterback> m_ben, Thanks
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[17:03:33] <quarterback> m_ben, regex detects known strings which reoccur, not unknown strings which reoccur in a string.
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[17:07:56] <m_ben> quarterback: do you know the length of the substring?
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[17:11:45] <quarterback> m_ben, No
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[17:13:20] <quarterback> I'm kind of trying to brute force dictionary words against a XOR encrypted message. If XOR with the whole message and if the word is in the message several times, I would find the key in several places. Its a way to detect the string or construct it partially.
[17:13:44] <quarterback> I XOR*
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[17:32:16] <quarterback> Detection of whitespace seems important in this process.
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[17:59:22] <kalven> quarterback: in your example, bb occurs even more times than bbb
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[18:00:26] <quarterback> kalven, Yes, sure. then it has to pick the biggest substring
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[18:04:59] <kalven> so bigger is more important than number of times it occurs?
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[18:06:34] <quarterback> I rephrase, biggest string which reoccurs multiple times in a larger string. This is by detect that string in the program without user input.
[18:06:45] <quarterback> detecting*
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[18:09:08] <kalven> quarterback: look at making a suffix array
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[18:11:30] <quarterback> kalven, Thanks, looks really interesting.
[18:12:21] <quarterback> The algorithm would detect which characters part of that substring and which characters are not.
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[18:14:45] <quarterback> +are *
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[19:01:55] <Iolo> I'm trying to use the FindSDL2_image.cmake file here: https://trenki2.github.io/blog/2017/07/04/using-sdl2-image-with-cmake/ and I've followed the instructions on that page, but then cmake complains, saying Unknown CMake Command "FIND_PACKAGE_HANDLE_STANDARD_ARGS". The docs for cmake say that's a legal command, so does anyone know what could be going wrong here?
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[19:09:18] <IceN9ne> without looking into anything, did you check your version of cmake is new enough to support it?
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[19:09:45] <Iolo> IceN9ne, yup
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[19:54:35] <solidfox> ville: i decided to keep an instance count, and only initialize when count is 0, and only quit when count is 1. then if you create a 2nd instance, or a copy, a new window and renderer is made, but sdl initializing is skipped
[19:55:05] <solidfox> only quit when count is 1-- and in the destructor
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