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placeholder text till a glyphicon loads ?[10:13:17] *** jan77 <jan77!~jan@55d45745.access.ecotel.net> has joined ##bootstrap[10:14:11] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined ##bootstrap[10:25:41] <aiena> is JS the only way ?[10:39:09] *** ibttis <ibttis!~asdafawad@unaffiliated/ibttis> has joined ##bootstrap[10:48:37] *** sittbi <sittbi!~asdafawad@staticline-31-183-73-231.toya.net.pl> has joined ##bootstrap[10:51:58] *** ibttis <ibttis!~asdafawad@unaffiliated/ibttis> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[10:52:50] *** sittbi <sittbi!~asdafawad@staticline-31-183-73-231.toya.net.pl> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[10:53:17] *** sittbi <sittbi!~asdafawad@staticline-31-183-73-231.toya.net.pl> has joined ##bootstrap[10:55:52] *** iraj <iraj!~iraj@unaffiliated/iraj> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[11:06:12] *** iraj <iraj!~iraj@unaffiliated/iraj> has joined ##bootstrap[11:08:09] *** Assault 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If you are making a production app then I think v3 may be better as it is more used and tested[12:55:08] <ellen> aiena, hmmmm I'm still learning so it'll probably be a few months before I make anything production-worthy[12:55:18] *** cvanball <cvanball!~textual@2001:980:92c0:1:cc6c:7c6b:9d55:6c98> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[12:55:24] <aiena> then you can use the latest[12:55:53] <aiena> it will become stable by the time your ready for production stuff there is a lot more that goes into an app then front end[12:56:02] <aiena> are you planning to be full stack ellen[12:56:11] <aiena> *than[12:56:20] <ellen> aiena, yup[12:56:36] <aiena> hmm ok then your superwoman/man lots to learn[12:56:37] <ellen> aiena, I'm following the freecodecamp "curriculum"[12:57:07] <ellen> haha yeah[12:57:28] <aiena> backend is loads of fun too many technologies. My frontend is crap but dividing time is essential backend is a lot of code too.[12:57:56] <aiena> My advice would be to try to separate gui and data. It will help. I made that mistake in my current app.[12:58:11] <aiena> gui as in html css/ js[12:58:24] <ellen> aiena, yeah I'm actually more comfortable dealing with code and backend stuff. it's the designerly stuff that I have difficulty with.[12:58:33] <ellen> yeah, that's good advice[12:58:43] <aiena> ellen, front end is huge I really struggle with it[12:58:56] <aiena> aslo please remember bootstrap is Not a substitute for learning CSS[12:58:59] <ellen> IMO why don't we just stick to CLIs :)[12:59:04] <ellen> biab :)[12:59:22] <aiena> ellen, oh cli's are the fastest most amazing thing I love the shell but gui has its advantages too[12:59:32] <aiena> we are spoilt with so many pretty things its the norm now[13:04:25] <aiena> ellen, bootstrap is just a tiny part. Anyway it can get overwhelming. 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