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[00:53:33] <Arktika> how do i subdivide cube for instance without using modifier?
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[00:55:34] <ze> you could just do the modifier and then apply it so it's part of the mesh
[00:55:42] <ze> but also you can subdivide in edit mode
[00:55:45] <Aritodo> Arktika: doesnt seem to be a menu or shortcut for it, but you can go into edit mode and f3, type in subdivide
[00:56:02] <Aritodo> oh, its in the specials menu
[00:56:09] <Aritodo> w
[00:56:28] <ze> i thought it was in the edges menu
[00:56:34] <ze> or something
[00:56:36] <ze> hehe
[00:56:46] <Aritodo> ah! it is!
[00:56:54] <Aritodo> didnt expect it in there, i was looking in the mesh and face menu
[00:57:24] <ze> yeah, but if you think about it, it's the edges that're being divided up
[00:57:39] <Aritodo> or the faces, when you think about it
[00:57:51] <ze> the faces inherit what the edges give them
[00:57:53] <ze> heh
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[00:58:11] <Aritodo> faces makes a lot more sense to me... tho something thats ambiguous like that should just be in the mesh menu
[00:58:19] <ze> subdividing a face is subdividing one or two edges
[00:58:28] <ze> or 3 or 4
[00:58:38] <ze> etc
[00:58:40] <ze> heh
[00:59:02] <Shaba1> Hey Aritodo and ze
[00:59:08] <Shaba1> https://blenderartists.org/t/three-tips-for-tutorial-makers/1210142 <---- My first tutorial. Tips on how to make a tutorial
[00:59:15] <ze> also it's the edges that're selected which get subdivided
[00:59:15] <Shaba1> Tell me what you think
[00:59:25] <ze> it's actually what the subdivision is applying to
[00:59:27] <ze> heh
[00:59:29] <ze> not an ambiguous maybe
[00:59:31] <ze> heh
[01:00:16] <ze> Shaba1: yeah generally good
[01:00:25] <Arktika> ahh
[01:00:26] <Arktika> ty
[01:00:49] <ze> think the standard blender part might be arguable to an extent, with explanation if something's nonstandard imo
[01:00:53] <ze> but yeah
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[01:02:35] <Shaba1> Well I am talking about BEFORE the pop up choice wheel back in 2.7 or 2.6
[01:02:52] <Shaba1> That was a plugin or addon back then.
[01:04:05] <ze> ah yeah i'd say no radical departures from what people are likely to use
[01:04:14] <Shaba1> People would make tutorial videos ( which I do not agree with, I think ALL tutorials should be written but that is a whole other discussion and I think I might be spitting into the wind if I even brought that up) But not everyone had that addon or saw the use for it
[01:04:33] <ze> like i wouldn't avoid node wrangler but i'd note it's an addon that's making things quicker and if you don't enable it you just have to do some of these shortcuts manually
[01:05:24] <ze> there's stuff i prefer written and stuff that's much simpler just to show, imo
[01:05:28] <Shaba1> But a LOT of tutorial maker had it turned on and recorded it in thier videos. I just imagine the number of views that would watch a video and say to themselves " My blender does not do that"
[01:05:46] <ze> and i find graphical stuff falls into the latter camp, though i think good writing + screenshots count for a lot and should always be an option
[01:07:03] <Shaba1> Well when you WRITE something you tend to think about the subject that you are writing about. That goes for all writing not just blender. But when you can just press a record button you just babble on without thinking or organizing your thoughts.
[01:07:16] <ze> like if i made a video tut, i'd be writing the narration and capturing the footage and all, it would be easy and good to also publish it in written form with the essential screenshots
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[01:07:44] <ze> well don't watch low quality tutorials where they don't bother to plan what they're saying :)
[01:08:16] <ze> i made a minecraft tutorial video once, and i wrote out the basic script that i narrated for the footage i recorded separately
[01:08:30] <Shaba1> You cannot tell that ze until you are at least a couple of minutes into it.
[01:08:30] <ze> though there was one place i didn't have much to say and it got awkward for a moment ;p
[01:08:37] <ze> *shrug*
[01:08:47] <Shaba1> And most times it may be the only video on the subject.
[01:08:54] <ze> wow
[01:09:02] <ze> i don't think i've seen any subjects with 1 video on them
[01:09:13] <Shaba1> true
[01:09:13] <ze> usually there's a bunch or none that i can find
[01:09:15] <ze> :p
[01:09:30] <Shaba1> I started using blender in 2000
[01:09:37] <ze> hehe
[01:09:41] <ze> very different beast back then
[01:09:55] <Aritodo> nice, im an oldie as well, been using it since '99 or 2000
[01:09:59] <ze> i remember when it first got open sourced and everyone was like wow
[01:10:01] <ze> hehe
[01:10:03] <Shaba1> so I know the documentation and instructions are HEAD and SHOULDERS better than they were back then.
[01:10:14] <ze> yeah
[01:10:33] <Aritodo> im pretty sure i used the first windows version, it was shareware, i couldnt render over a certain resolution i think
[01:10:42] <Shaba1> But I think that if there were a concerted effort to make the documentation and tutorials better blender would lose that reputation for being hard to learn
[01:12:28] <Shaba1> I first heard about it at a business conference in October of 2000. A kid gave a presentation of a game/demo he did using blender which won a local science fair prize.
[01:12:39] <Aritodo> haha, awesome
[01:13:15] <Shaba1> I went back to my office and downloaded it. Fired it up, took on look at the interface and did not fire it up again for another 11 months
[01:14:05] <ze> heheh
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[01:20:28] <Shaba1> I foond a tutorial online that describe how to make and hammer or a procedurally textured plane. It was written with LOTS of screenshots and very very detailed text.
[01:20:37] <Shaba1> That took you step by baby step.
[01:20:57] <Shaba1> I followed it and finish the hammer and plan and got it to render.
[01:22:11] <Shaba1> that was August of 2001. I remember becasue I actually ordered that blender book in softcover from NaN and it had to come from Holland by mail.
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[01:22:49] <Shaba1> I got and email saying that it would take a month or so becasue of the disruption to air travel and packaging caused by 9/11
[01:23:47] <Shaba1> That book was a TOTAL waste of time and money. But by then I had started using blender and was hooked on it.
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[02:52:57] <jaggz> there a way to say "show all non-selectable" or something?
[02:59:06] <jaggz> make all selected in outliner into selectable
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[04:14:26] <Arktika> can i stop seeing vertices on opposite side of mesh in weight paint mode?
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[04:16:53] <stiv> the x-ray toggle?
[04:17:01] <Arktika> where?
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[04:17:48] <Arktika> it doesnt toggle in weight mode
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[04:18:14] <Arktika> makes no change
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[04:19:26] <Aritodo> ok seriously, can someone tempban ^esc? >_<
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[04:19:40] <Arktika> or can i mute him?
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[04:53:52] <ze> i never realized suzanne is as tall as a person
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[04:54:14] <ze> what units is subsurface scattering radius in again?
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[06:35:43] <andrewray> In blender 2.8, I have a mesh with multiple materials assigned to multiple faces
[06:36:30] <andrewray> I'm trying to bake an ambient occlusion lightmap onto the mesh. I've created a second uv map on the the mesh for this purpose
[06:37:09] <andrewray> I've created a new image in the uv editor, and in the "active uv loop layer" i've selected my second uv layer
[06:37:36] <andrewray> I've also saved this image to disk using
[06:38:20] <andrewray> when I go to the render tab and change the renderer to cycles and click "bake" a brief error is shown on the bottom of the screen saying "no active image found in (one of the several materials assigned to the mesh)
[06:38:40] <andrewray> the uv image editor then automatically switches to one of the textures of one of the materials on the mesh
[06:42:02] <andrewray> i'm not sure what i'm missing - i'm trying to bake an AO map for a second UV layer to export for a game
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[07:06:43] <andrewray> Hmm i didn't realize you could click on the error message, it looks like it's raising the error for every material
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[07:37:53] <soul-d> andrewray, i think you have to go to the shader node viewer and select the image where you want to bake to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z2kOJiheZs
[07:38:07] <soul-d> or find a vid that matches what you are exactly doing
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[08:26:50] <ze> so hmm
[08:26:54] <ze> i thought there'd be a way where like
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[08:27:30] <ze> you could get a volumetric gradient to falloff from an interior surface to the exterior surface of a thing
[08:28:09] <ze> like suppose you had a mesh that was 2 concentric spheres so it was basically a ball with a hollow center
[08:28:33] <ze> in this simple case, you could scale the quadratic sphere gradient up as needed and get what i want for it
[08:28:57] <ze> where there'd be the empty center and then the gradient starts at full intensity just beyond that and fades off toward the outermost edges
[08:29:10] <ze> but i want this effect for arbitrary shapes
[08:29:15] <ze> not just a sphere
[08:29:25] <ze> and i'm not finding a way to get it
[08:29:27] <ze> heh
[08:29:34] <sst66> A solidify of volumetric gradient
[08:29:47] <ze> right hehe
[08:29:59] <sst66> Gotta be a way
[08:30:14] <ze> you would think, i probably just don't know how to approach it
[08:30:37] <ze> like i figured some kinda coordinates to the spherical gradient would make it take the inner surface as its zero point
[08:30:40] <ze> but i'm not finding anything
[08:31:10] <ze> or quadratic sphere gradient
[08:31:12] <ze> or any of the gradients
[08:31:14] <ze> :P
[08:31:54] <ze> the quadratic sphere or quadratic/linear/ease gradients would be the applicable ones for the fade i guess
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[08:34:32] <ze> i'd have thought maybe something with normals coords but that didn't seem to get me anywhere no matter which way i hade interior and exterior surface normals pointed heh
[08:34:49] <ze> weird results with the density varying by camera angle which seems way off
[08:34:51] <ze> :P
[08:35:16] <ze> probably not what i want but it's hard to figure what is
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[09:25:28] <ze> ahh https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/latest/render/shader_nodes/vector/mapping.html the vector type stuff really explains some things hehe
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[13:10:59] <James11> I can't use my GPU to render with cyclus it does detect it but says: "Ignoring device AMD Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics (POLARIS10, DRM 3.27.0, 4.19.86-gentoo, LLVM 9.0.1), not officially supported yet.", I am using linux on version 2.82 blender
[13:12:48] <davros> where would be the best place to leave a question about blender UI customization?
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[13:13:40] <davros> (to repeat it here - I want to streamline applying a texture. ideally 1 click or drag operation to get a texture onto a mesh , defaulting to triplanar mapping.
[13:13:56] <davros> I'm wondering if this can be acheived through python scripts
[13:14:29] <davros> it would be ok to have it on a hotkey but being able to respond to image file drop into the scene would be perfect
[13:14:44] <davros> i.e. keep a directory of textures open and just drag image files onto polygons
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[18:13:22] <portnov> hi all.
[18:13:28] <portnov> https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/284644/75630087-6c521080-5c09-11ea-8f88-8957a7125c29.png
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[19:13:26] <Arktika> turning off xray in weight mode doesnt turn it off. can this be fixed?
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[20:03:22] <ze> "bstrip is a tool for removing personal information, broken filepaths, thumbnails and other unwanted data from Blender (.blend) files. Licensed BSD-2-Clause" https://projects.tuxfamily.org/?do=group;name=bstrip
[20:03:42] <ze> just randomly stumbled on that, sounds useful :)
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[20:38:26] <andre_kal> Uhm, where would one ask a question about how to model something? As in 'I don't have a support question or error' but rather 'I'm looking for pointers towards a technique or a plugin or the abscence thereof'
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[20:40:13] <Aritodo> andre_kal: well, here is a fine place for that, assuming anyone is available what will know what to do. you could also try the blender artists forums, or the blender discord
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[20:41:29] <Shaba1> Hello all.
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[20:42:01] <Shaba1> Aritodo what is discord?
[20:42:14] <Shaba1> Disagreements amoung blender users?
[20:42:34] <Aritodo> the chat program
[20:42:46] <Shaba1> Ah ok.... hmmm
[20:43:09] <Shaba1> One more popular thing on the internet that I have never heard of. Like a meme
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[20:44:13] <Aritodo> discord has unfortunately been soaking up all the other chat solotuions out there for quite a while
[20:45:02] <Aritodo> its closed source, proprietary (they dont allow third-party clients), and has many frustrating lack of features... but its so flashy! meh.
[20:45:07] <andre_kal> I'm not too familiar with discord myself but is this the official one? https://discordapp.com/invite/blender
[20:45:30] <Aritodo> andre_kal: honestly i have no idea, i dont even know which one im joined on, lol
[20:45:40] <andre_kal> Yeah ok :D
[20:46:17] <janEntikan> only official servers get their name in the url so should be good
[20:47:33] <Aritodo> ah, the one im on is - https://www.discord.me/blender3d , seems reasonably active
[20:49:27] <andre_kal> Well, I'll ask here in case someone knows. If i wanted to build something like reindeer antlers or tree branches (but with a possibly cyclic structure how would I do it? That is I can make a single vertex 'mesh' which represents the topology (a curve can't have bifurcations). But I can't seem to find a technique for converting it into a mesh which would take care of those bifurcations.
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[20:50:40] <andre_kal> Sorry, not single vertex, rather zero-faced
[20:52:26] <Aritodo> there is the 'skin' modifier, is that what you are looking for?
[20:53:09] <janEntikan> there's also the sapling tree generator addon if you want to be lazy
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[20:56:35] <andre_kal> Aritodo: Wow, I can't believe I haven't tried the skin modifier. I don't get anything close to good right now but I'll tinker. Thanks!
[20:58:40] <andre_kal> janEntikan: I'm pretty sure it can only use curves which don't support bifurcations but I'll give it another try if I can't get the skin modifier to give me good results, thanks!
[21:00:15] <janEntikan> andre_kal: iirc it does. I'm not sure about cyclic structures though, but you could add those post-apply
[21:00:47] <janEntikan> do an "bridge edge-loop" here and there
[21:03:12] <ze> what is bifurcation if not branching?
[21:03:32] <ze> which the sapling tree curves clearly do :)
[21:03:44] * ze confused
[21:03:49] <andre_kal> janEntikan: That would be a lot of bridging if my model has a hundred bifurcations or so
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[21:07:06] <Donitzo> *facepalm*
[21:07:11] <Donitzo> c = brush select
[21:07:19] <Donitzo> now that's something I should have learned years ago
[21:07:24] <janEntikan> ouch :P
[21:07:50] <janEntikan> I had that with "paste keyframes flipped"
[21:08:00] <andre_kal> ze: It doesn't manage them though. The result is a bunch of curves
[21:08:16] <janEntikan> ze: I believe bifurcation is more about curves resulting from branching
[21:08:26] <janEntikan> jinx
[21:08:50] <ze> oh, so they're not actually connected or something? hmm
[21:09:49] <janEntikan> I figured the sappling addon can do it because I remember it being able to do very good weeping willows but that might be an illusion instead
[21:10:32] <ze> so then http://youtu.be/HXPW8vEutwk might include helpful hints on using skin modifier with mesh lines
[21:10:34] <ze> heeh
[21:10:53] <andre_kal> ze: Not really : https://ibb.co/m0Dz8h1
[21:11:26] <andre_kal> ze: Thanks, I'll look at that
[21:11:53] <ze> well when i looked inside a mesh like that there seemed to be dotted lines connecting them all :/
[21:12:12] <ze> i mean not the mesh but the ..."mesh" it's being drawn as
[21:12:53] <ze> but i guess that might by why light leaks from joints :P
[21:14:00] <andre_kal> ze: Looking at it right now, it looks like disjointed parts. Perhaps it was after some modifier...
[21:14:36] <andre_kal> But on the plus side, the skin modifier works as intended once the part is scaled up a bit
[21:14:38] <ze> oh well, sorry for the confusion
[21:15:22] <andre_kal> This is perfect, thank you all
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[21:56:22] <andrewray> I have two objects in my scene, and I've applied the same material to both. I'd like to bake a lightmap into the second uv channel of each object. Is it possible to keep a single material and somehow use one texture per object?
[21:57:11] <andrewray> if I make changes to the (let's say grass) texture on one object, i'd like it to apply to the other object because it's the same material, but also let both objects keep their individual lightmap bakes
[21:57:52] <andrewray> and i guess same material but different uv maps too
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[22:11:01] <Shaba1> Hey JTa are you at the keyboard
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[22:38:30] <jaggz> blender mobile!!
[22:44:58] <Shaba1> Hey jaggz
[22:48:52] <jaggz> Shaba1, heya :)
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[22:58:02] <andrewray> I have an object with multiple materials on it, and each material uses the same image for the baked ao map
[22:58:36] <andrewray> when I bake, the ao map is coming out not following the lightmap pack
[22:58:43] <andrewray> not following the lightmap second uv channel*
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[22:59:22] <andrewray> in fact blender seems to have discarded both of my uv channels on the objet and driven into a wall
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[23:09:20] <Shaba1> Hello all. Back again. I got discoed
[23:15:17] <ze> ok so i'm getting a tuxfamily site setup, the main thing i'll want is a statically generated gallery of images/animations that can handle accompanying notes and auxillary/source files... anyone know a good thing for that?
[23:16:42] <Shaba1> sound like a php script sort of thing ze
[23:17:30] <andrewray> oooooh I think it's beause i have a material on the object using the ao map of the other object
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[23:18:28] <ze> i'd prefer something to generate static .html to upload... there seem to be so many gallery generator type things that among the top search results was someone's list of the "top 28"
[23:18:45] <ze> i was just hoping someone knew of one that fit the more specific requirements that i don't think most support
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[23:19:51] <Shaba1> Its been years since I did anything with html/CSS
[23:19:55] <Shaba1> so I would not know.
[23:20:07] <Yaniel> ze: I think any static site generator would serve you perfectly well
[23:20:13] <Yaniel> as long as it supports templates
[23:20:34] <Shaba1> people today have it so easy. The network does almost everything for them
[23:20:36] <ze> ah hmm
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[23:21:30] <Shaba1> no more typing in html by hand, displaying it in the browser, rinse adn repeat until you get things to work the way you want.
[23:21:54] <ze> hehe
[23:22:03] <Shaba1> Yes I am an old fart
[23:22:06] <Shaba1> :P
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[23:22:54] <ze> hey i was using css to remove the underlines from links and change their state colors in like 1998 when that was fresh and fancy :P
[23:23:33] <ze> right between all the flickering flame and dripping blood gifs on my angelfire site
[23:24:25] <ze> but yeah i don't miss attempting to make a page look right in more than one browser instance ;p
[23:24:53] <ze> i gave up when even the same version of the same browser on 2 different computers rendered it different and i couldn't make them both get it right
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[23:42:59] <ze> wow these static site generators all look the same :P
[23:44:17] <Yaniel> exactly
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[23:45:38] <ze> it's like, do i want one of the 3 ruby ones or the python one ;p
[23:48:44] <ze> looks like nikola's the one i can install the easiest :P
[23:48:46] <ze> thanks
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