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[00:08:19] <MalMen> any sugestion on converting the hair paths into an object ?
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[00:08:41] <MalMen> I feel like I searched all the internet already
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[01:22:53] <jaggz> if you searched the entire thing you'd surely feel it
[01:23:11] <jaggz> look for: "blender convert hair to mesh"
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[03:52:50] <Thilastiko> Hi! Is there an addon for Bender that gives it mesh editing capabilities like meshmixer ?
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[04:34:58] <jaggz> Aritodo, the marker is really bugging me
[04:35:37] <jaggz> the marker line.. covering my strips..
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[05:08:14] <Aritodo> lol, well dont use them then? :p
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[06:57:49] <jaggz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbWQ4lMnLNw unifying points, beams, and paths in volumetric light transport simulation
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[07:09:44] <ze> nice
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[10:59:21] <ze> i used to doodle creepy trees with roots like https://www.deviantart.com/free-zero/art/tree-0-3730126 (oh and i guess i did it in glass once too :P https://www.deviantart.com/free-zero/art/tree-plate-32374388), so i decided to try a blender take (and play with the look of course :p) https://i.imgur.com/MmKkLK2.jpg
[11:00:23] <ze> i dunno that the sapling generator quite offers the flexibility to get much closer to my style of drawing them than that
[11:00:25] <ze> heh
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[12:32:24] <intracube> ze: https://www.thegrove3d.com/
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[13:58:05] <j23> hi2all, in viewport render view only? (I know there is checkbox or something but can`t find)
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[14:00:18] <j23> I mean hide everyhing like axes, ground grid etc. only object stays
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[18:34:48] <MalMen> sirs
[18:34:57] <MalMen> what is the best place to download free objects ?
[18:36:34] <ze> intracube: ok but where's the free alternative ;p
[18:39:44] <sst66> MalMen, blendswap
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[18:41:42] <MalMen> thank you *
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[18:46:21] <ze> if i add a little fog it gets lit up to reveal places where the tree's surface seems to be leaking more of its volumetric light? https://i.imgur.com/0YlyWID.jpg
[18:46:38] <ze> kinda looks pretty like lights on it or something but wasn't really intended :P
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[18:48:55] <Xard> ze: wow, that looks nice!
[18:49:31] <ze> thanks
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[19:53:11] <intracube> MalMen: sketchfab also has a free download section
[19:54:14] <intracube> ze: nice. looks a bit oriental.
[19:56:28] <ze> thanks, and yeah i think so too
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[20:10:09] <Assault> hey, I made eye lashes for my 3d guy with hair particles emmitting from a vertex group..but is it now possible to move individual hairs?
[20:10:19] <Assault> they dont seem to move when I try with the G key
[20:10:24] <Assault> there are no child particles
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[20:17:35] <Taoki> I'm assuming support for IES lights doesn't yet exist for Eevee?
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[20:21:37] <Xard> Taoki: yeah, it seems that the IES texture doesn't do anything in Eevee
[20:27:44] <Xard> though eevee produces lights with complex tricks to begin with and I guess supporting IES would require additionally complex tricks on top of complex tricks
[20:27:54] <seseri> Assault, particle edit mode should do the trick
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[20:28:32] <Assault> seseri, I am in particle edit mode. When I select one of the hair tips and press G to move, it doesnt move.
[20:29:16] <Assault> I created a new dummmy file with a ball with some hair, there I was able to move after pressing G...so something in my file is keeping the particles from moving..
[20:30:31] <Assault> hmm..i I press "delete edit" and select "yes", then I can move again
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[20:30:42] <Assault> but then of course my eye leashas are all fucked up again =P
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[20:39:23] <Assault> ok i guess im not moving particles...but when I move the vertices that make up the verted group that is the particle emitter, the particle hairss stay in the originial position...is this intended?
[20:39:48] <Assault> i mean I would expect that if I move the vertices, the particles also move with them
[20:42:41] <sst66> Sounds like a failed update/refresh of the viewport to me
[20:43:32] <ze> depends on how the particle emission settings are i think
[20:44:22] <ze> there's different settings for how they're distributed, like there's an 'even' setting, i think, or another one near it, which spreads them between vertices instead of keeping them on them
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[21:10:39] <ze> you know, something i notice about light intensities, is that you really can't see the difference for higher intensities unless you add something that's particularly affected by them, and then it stands out
[21:10:58] <ze> like a fog or compositor glow
[21:11:51] <ze> you could have 2 white dots in your scene that look the same until you add anything that scatters or "glows" from it, and then you can suddenly tell that one's much brighter than the other for how it lights that up
[21:12:57] <Aritodo> sure. because your monitor can only display light intensity up to a certain point, but the internal scene in blender has effectively unlimited intensity
[21:14:16] <Aritodo> if you want to be able to see the difference, you would need to turn down the exposure of your scene
[21:14:39] <ze> well yeah, displays mostly have terrible dynamic range... but it's kindof like they're also flat, that doesn't mean you can't get the impression of dimension for all the cues our brain registers about it... and that's the difference here too, it adds a cue our brains register for something being bright
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[21:15:07] <Aritodo> indeed
[21:15:42] <Aritodo> its all about context
[21:16:27] <ze> it's easy to overlook and struggle to get things to be bright and glowing the way one might intend without realizing that there's that kinda cue missing
[21:17:09] <Aritodo> i watched an interesting video recently, all about 'brown', where he postulated that ther is no such thing as brown light... since brown is essentially just a darker orange, and if you have a dimmer orange light... well, its just a dimmer orange
[21:17:46] <ze> hehe yeah i've noticed and pointed that out to people too
[21:18:06] <ze> brown's dim yellow/orange, kinda like pink is a faded red
[21:18:11] <Aritodo> good video if you are interested - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh4aWZRtTwU , i love watching his videos :)
[21:18:12] <ze> there's no pink light either
[21:18:34] <Aritodo> pink is different, you can have a pink light, its just less saturated red
[21:18:38] <ze> or pink wavelength anyway
[21:19:03] <ze> well you can have brown light too in a context
[21:19:05] <ze> heh
[21:19:31] <Aritodo> its different tho, its not just a matter of saturation, its brightness also
[21:20:16] <ze> right, but you can setup a scene to where something neutral lit under yellow/orange light appears brown
[21:20:52] <ze> just a matter of contrasts
[21:21:00] <Aritodo> sure, that requires context tho, a pink light would not
[21:21:30] <ze> hmm i dunno
[21:21:36] <ze> anything that'll show the light is something of a context for it :p
[21:23:05] <ze> one i like is how there's no magenta in a rainbow either cause it doesn't have a wavelength... it's percieved purely by the mixture between red and blue/violet ones
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[21:24:28] <ze> i bet you could make a monochromatic brown visible laser beam but not a pink one ;p
[21:25:00] <Aritodo> er, no, wavelength definitely does exist, thats how different colors of light are defined
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[21:25:14] <Aritodo> and no, thats the point, you could not have a brown laser, but you COULD have a pink one
[21:25:33] <ze> i didn't say wavelengths didn't exist, i said magenta doesn't have one
[21:25:35] <Aritodo> a pink laser would just be a less saturated red laser, but an attempted brown laser would just be orange
[21:25:52] <ze> you can't desaturate a monochromatic light source
[21:25:59] <ze> desaturation is mixing other colors in
[21:26:18] <ze> a pink laser would be emitting in multiple wavelengths to accomplish it
[21:28:18] <Aritodo> hmm, i guess you are right on that, you would need three emitters to get pink
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[21:28:45] <Aritodo> still tho, it would actually be possible, whereas a brown one would not be possible at all
[21:29:43] <ze> tbh desaturation often helps make brown too, though it's not strictly required
[21:30:44] <Aritodo> like i said tho, even if you emit a brown wavelength laser, it would be orange because it would be fully bright
[21:31:11] <Aritodo> brown is just less bright orange... if you make the laser less bright, it would just be a dimmer orange laser :p
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[21:35:53] <Donitzo> can I export gltf objects not visible in viewports
[21:36:00] <Donitzo> because it seems like they aren't visible at all
[21:36:03] <Donitzo> ingame
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[21:51:51] <Xard> Aritodo: that video is also a good reminder how colors are context sensitive and why it's hard to get rgb values for materials right without context
[21:52:05] <Aritodo> yeah
[21:53:53] <Xard> the freaky case of colors are the imaginary colors which don't actually exist but kind of do like the "yellowish blue"
[21:55:07] <Xard> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impossible_color
[21:55:42] <Aritodo> hmm, wouldnt yellowish blue just be green?
[21:56:24] <ze> yellow is greenish red ;p
[21:56:37] <Xard> in RGB yellow = red + green and add blue to that and you'll get... white
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[21:56:57] <Aritodo> 'ish' doesnt imply adding, it implies mixing
[21:57:11] <Xard> unless you trick your brain into mixing yellow and blue in non intended way
[21:57:49] <Xard> I can see a weird color which is unlike anything else
[21:59:30] <ze> those pairs with the +s just kinda look like analogue z-fighting between the colors to me
[21:59:32] <ze> :P
[22:02:40] <ze> so blender's 'radial' gradient texture isn't what i usually think of for a radial gradient, which is a falloff according to radius
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[22:04:49] <Xard> if you search google images with radial gradient you'll get a mix of around 1/3 rotation based and 2/3 of radius based images
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[22:05:23] <Xard> would conic gradient be techincally more correct?
[22:05:53] <ze> i have no idea what would be correct for which :p
[22:06:20] <ze> i'm just trying to figure out how to get the radius based type
[22:06:39] <ze> i guess if i scale one dimension of a quadratic sphere to 0 i sorta get it
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[22:07:06] <Xard> if you want to draw spherical gradient it's just 2d vector distance from a point
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[22:16:51] <ze> ah right the quadratic sphere is a 3D radius-based one already, durr... so i guess flattening it to 2D the way to get the radius from the axis of a cylinder thing i'm looking for... seems to work anyway
[22:17:06] <ze> 2D is* the
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[22:41:32] <ze> Aritodo: https://i.imgur.com/JLSmNjW.png
[22:41:58] <ze> emissive beams with colors set by the wavelength converter
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[22:43:53] <ze> the red beams have strength 1000, green 200, blue 400, the yellow is 570nm at 25 strength, the brownest looking one is 590nm at 10 strength, and the dim orange one is 600nm at 10 strength
[22:44:13] <ze> though those are strength values applied to a scaled down quadratic sphere gradient :p
[22:46:27] <ze> er actually the "strength" i'm naming is the multiplication factor factor fr the gradient before it plugs into the strength input... i'm guessing the gradient maxes at 1.0 so the factor i'm setting is then the max strength value and the gradient falls it off from there?
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[22:51:46] <Aritodo> should be, gradients go from 0 to 1 as far as i know
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[22:54:43] <ze> https://i.imgur.com/8Lv7xfl.png eh... brown lit... sorta :P
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[23:01:49] <ze> i think "angular gradient" might be the sorta thing that'd give me the impression/expectation of blender's radial gradient
[23:03:30] <Shaba1> I think that blender did have a angular gradient at one time ze
[23:03:38] <ze> another thought i had would be axial but i think that might be more like the 2d-radial-in-3d thing i needed and called radial, and scaling the quadratic sphere does that anyway so this interpretation may be superfluous
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[23:03:45] <ze> Shaba1: oh? what did that do?
[23:03:55] <Shaba1> I vaugely seem to remember it from back in the 2.4 days
[23:03:59] <ze> hehe
[23:04:21] <Shaba1> but do not take that as a fact.
[23:05:16] <ze> https://demonstrations.wolfram.com/AxialGradient/ i guess it's a term that means something probably else :p
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[23:06:14] <ze> ah i guess it's just being along some axis defined by control points
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[23:06:58] <Yaniel> looks like just a linear gradient to me
[23:07:06] <Shaba1> Ok that is different from what I was remembering
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[23:07:24] <ze> well i'm not sure that it specifies the curve of the blend, it's more about specifying start and end points in space afaict
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[23:08:26] <Shaba1> this thing ( I cannot remember if it was builtin or and addon) would allow the use to set one point as the zero point then set colors for the gradient as the angle around that point progressed.
[23:08:34] <Shaba1> If that makes any sense.
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[23:09:15] <ze> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-oru0QB4tkP8/UVva7DehFDI/AAAAAAAABY0/iq6pAK7T86w/s1600/spiral_gradient_dop_compo.png
[23:09:29] <ze> like that?
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[23:10:20] <ze> this is what blender's radial gradient into a color ramp set to a rainbow would do
[23:10:22] <ze> hehe
[23:10:45] <Shaba1> Yeah kinda like that but much more "fluid"
[23:10:50] <jaggz> man.. we really need some type of library or something
[23:10:53] <ze> or a blend between rgb maybe
[23:11:11] <jaggz> I should be able to pick "shadeless material node group" from some menu
[23:11:26] <jaggz> and if I customize it, add it to a lib easily
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[23:11:53] <ze> i think there's an addon in the prefs for that
[23:12:11] <jaggz> looks like Material Library VX might work .. for materials
[23:12:16] <jaggz> but we need this same thing for objects and stuff
[23:12:21] <ze> ah yeah
[23:12:30] <jaggz> going and finding a .blend to append from is really inconvenient
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[23:13:13] <ze> hmm there's a website based one that needs an account and then it's like you can browse what's on there and a lot of it is non-free
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[23:14:14] <ze> but you can upload your own stuff into there and it'll add to your library that way... i wonder if it has any local functions that i didn't investigate
[23:14:33] <Shaba1> There the Material library VX addon. jaggz.
[23:14:40] <Shaba1> I have it but hardly every use it.
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[23:14:54] <ze> i'm late for an appointment with a puppy
[23:14:57] <Shaba1> Not that it is not capable. I just have not taken the time to RTFM
[23:15:26] <jaggz> ze, does it make a good doctor?
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[23:15:31] <Aritodo> thats a thought... what about some sort of addon that connects to a website backend for blendswap or similar, allowing to easily download/append, or submit models and materials
[23:15:46] <jaggz> Aritodo, yeah.. exactly
[23:16:04] <jaggz> categorized.. sort by reviews.. preview thumbnails
[23:16:06] <Aritodo> would definitely be possible as blender has full python incorporated
[23:16:10] <jaggz> just names to start :)
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[23:16:32] <jaggz> there are some addons that use commercial services.. with free stuff
[23:16:44] <Yaniel> isn't that what blenderkit or whatever this blender cloud thing is called is all about
[23:16:44] <jaggz> or .. at least one I saw distributed with blender
[23:17:07] <jaggz> I'd want one free for all.. somehow
[23:17:33] <jaggz> maybe with something reasonable for-pay
[23:17:33] <Aritodo> well, i think having both free and sold models would be a good thing
[23:17:55] <Aritodo> as long as you can restrict it to only free models, or limit by price
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[23:18:25] <jaggz> how about people contributing to the for-pay or free sections.. so you can support them with a cut while funding it
[23:18:39] <Shaba1> That is getting rarer and rarer in the blender universe Aritodo
[23:18:40] <Aritodo> not sure how payment would work for a system like that tho... ive done work with python reading/writing to a secure web backend before, but payment is an entirely different matter
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[23:19:08] <Shaba1> Back almost 2 decades ago when I started using blender almost everything was free.
[23:19:16] <jaggz> any of you want to partner with me in this? :)
[23:19:22] <Shaba1> Now almost everything cost.
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[23:21:45] <Shaba1> :(
[23:22:16] <jaggz> if you're interested, lemme know.. I just made a channel
[23:22:28] <jaggz> not sure if this will go anywhere but we can at least discuss it
[23:22:39] <jaggz> I think it'd be a valuable contribution to blender
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