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[04:07:16] <semmi> ahoi
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[04:20:41] <semmi> i have really a keyboard-short-way problem
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[04:25:25] <semmi> and i do not wanna end like Robinson Crusoe here into chat
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[04:34:51] <ze> semmi: what?
[04:34:53] <ze> heh
[04:35:12] <semmi> a + h
[04:35:40] <semmi> anybody here ?
[04:36:10] <semmi> where is olsen ?
[04:36:14] <ze> well yeah but our attention comes and goes
[04:36:23] <semmi> sure
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[04:36:32] <ze> no idea, dunno them
[04:36:37] <semmi> so you is -> "our" ?
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[04:41:19] <semmi> is free node the "our" new ice-palla... ? (hey whats UP here into irc... i can't believe)
[04:44:27] <ze> i don't understand
[04:45:06] <semmi> what is your most used keyboard shortcuts ze ?
[04:45:56] <ze> i think the ones i tend to use the most are g, s, A, space, ESC, F12 :P
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[04:46:19] <semmi> but is that a t ALL ?
[04:46:22] <ze> probably forgetting something
[04:46:29] <semmi> to optimize workflow?
[04:46:47] <ze> i'm still learning
[04:47:08] <semmi> oh sry,i didnt know
[04:47:24] <ze> i still use a lot of menus and try to learn shortcuts for things i find frequently used
[04:47:32] <semmi> (get my problems with the new shortcuts)
[04:47:37] <ze> but i don't even know how to do a lot of things at all yet :)
[04:47:54] <ze> can't you set it to the old ones in the preferences?
[04:47:59] <ze> if that's what you're used to
[04:48:05] <semmi> no no
[04:48:10] <semmi> i wanna be ->learn new
[04:48:13] <ze> ah
[04:48:14] <semmi> workflow
[04:48:22] <semmi> (efficient one)
[04:49:02] <semmi> the explore the -> shortest way <- i am here .)
[04:49:12] <ze> well generally speaking, you can learn the natural way through use and looking for the one you need and then referencing it as needed til you remember it
[04:49:39] <ze> or you could do something like list all the ones you know you'll need, and practice them all on purpose
[04:49:42] <ze> :p
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[04:50:25] <semmi> i wanna explore by myself
[04:51:01] <semmi> if someone gimme -> autocomplete into Blender -> OK
[04:51:18] <semmi> because there i know what i get
[04:51:37] * ze shrugs
[04:52:51] <semmi> with blender its line ctrl R into a shell
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[04:53:47] <semmi> (that "line" i more mean "like" into mind of Freud)
[04:54:12] <ze> hehe
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[04:55:16] <semmi> eheh
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[04:56:54] <semmi> ze: last time i did only using blender for fractalgeneration
[04:57:05] <ze> fun
[04:57:22] <semmi> exploration
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[04:57:45] <semmi> http://www.maitag.de/semmi/blender/mandelbulb/mandelyap_edgy_06.png
[04:58:05] <ze> interesting
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[04:59:10] <semmi> ( while doing this i was listening this music - > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HupknByL2c&feature=youtu.be&t=4890)
[05:01:23] <semmi> do you know how slow volumetrics is into blender-cylces =? (on ~ pc i mean i only have ti 9800==)
[05:02:00] <semmi> really hard to adjust the ~camera~ into such situation thn.
[05:02:27] <ze> hehe
[05:02:35] <semmi> do you know pov ?
[05:02:39] <ze> yes
[05:02:43] <semmi> pov-ray ?
[05:02:46] <semmi> \o/
[05:03:00] <ze> i've played with it here and there over the years
[05:03:17] <semmi> also real3d? (thats what i started with on amiga)
[05:03:24] <ze> hehe nope
[05:03:36] <ze> povray was my intro to cg in the late 90s
[05:03:53] <ze> and then i tried and failed to get into blender several times before 2.80 :P
[05:03:56] <semmi> or ayam ? (is a friend of me that also started on amiga with 3D)
[05:04:12] <ze> haven't really used other 3d software than those
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[05:04:23] <semmi> http://ayam.sourceforge.net/
[05:05:07] <ze> hehe
[05:05:38] <semmi> ( after pov i started with Blender -> like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dYGfVQeGwM&list=PLmrMD4itjOf0XXcZ6HjupiIREr7nXbc3G&index=8)
[05:05:57] <semmi> to render my fractals!
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[05:08:16] <semmi> http://www.maitag.de/semmi/blender/2d/cosmo_04.blend.png
[05:08:54] <semmi> thats what last -> came OUT (while i was sitting in front of computer and with new VERSION)
[05:09:18] <semmi> http://www.maitag.de/semmi/blender/2d/the_origin_snippet.png
[05:09:56] <ze> hehe
[05:10:20] <semmi> eh ;)
[05:10:49] <semmi> what do you do with blender ?
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[05:12:35] <semmi> (i totally was get lost into new 2D there [and painting ;)])
[05:12:59] <ze> one of the first things i did was use nasa data to make some moon pics and animations
[05:13:01] <semmi> 2D + Animation )(
[05:13:38] <semmi> ah, space-data is cool
[05:13:55] <ze> you'll have to be patient, my mind's half gone, and the other half is divided 3 ways :p
[05:14:05] <semmi> (more "natural" random than from earth sometimes)
[05:14:52] <semmi> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedische_Spirale
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[05:15:56] <semmi> i did some test into haxe last time ; http://maitag.de/semmi/haxelime/peote-view-remaster/glyph-wheel/
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[05:16:43] <semmi> ze: thats -> fibonacci
[05:16:58] <semmi> effect (^_^)
[05:17:25] <ze> here were my first good moon renders in blender 2.80 https://ze.isageek.net/moon_view-2019-10-05-2314.png https://ze.isageek.net/moon_view-2019-10-06-1923.png
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[05:18:41] <semmi> mhmmmm
[05:19:21] <semmi> whats that while -> star-like-structure ?
[05:19:25] <semmi> white
[05:19:48] <ze> the first pic is from just over the far side, so that's a crater/spray you can't see from earth
[05:19:56] <semmi> that looks like -> vulcanic i mean
[05:20:09] <ze> it's collision debrit
[05:20:12] <ze> debris
[05:20:16] <semmi> ah ok
[05:21:00] <semmi> (i am no astro-physic and i no much about)
[05:21:20] <ze> hehe
[05:21:48] <semmi> i mean the -> white spot
[05:21:57] <semmi> into picture
[05:22:10] <semmi> (of our moon ;)
[05:22:23] <ze> https://ze.isageek.net/moon9-2019-11-17.html and an animation of the cycles :)
[05:22:29] <semmi> is that a "phaenomen" ?
[05:23:14] <ze> ?
[05:23:59] <semmi> i mean the "white" - color into that photographics
[05:24:02] <ze> pretty much everything you can see on the moon is a result of stuff crashing into it, leaving holes, sometimes spraying broken bits everywhere from where it crashed
[05:24:36] <ze> well most of it anyway, i don't know the full geology and there's probably some stuff leftover from formation and cooling
[05:24:50] <semmi> for me looks like -> other kind of ... i mean not like -> meteor-impact
[05:25:01] <ze> but the white spots and sprays are craters and splatters of stuff from crashes
[05:25:12] <semmi> (i see for first time)
[05:25:23] <semmi> (into that kind of detail)
[05:25:57] <semmi> ah... so maybe that impact was from a small but string mass =?
[05:26:02] <ze> *shrug*
[05:26:08] <semmi> (strong)
[05:26:23] <ze> could be
[05:27:38] <semmi> my oldest sun also is sudy physics (i ask him sometimes if i read something into science-magazine and do not understand)
[05:27:46] <semmi> studding
[05:28:15] <ze> nice
[05:28:17] <semmi> studdying (i dont know ... engl. is not my main one)
[05:28:33] <semmi> how to spell
[05:28:36] <semmi> it
[05:28:38] <semmi> into
[05:28:40] <semmi> l
[05:28:40] <semmi> e
[05:28:41] <semmi> t
[05:28:43] <semmi> t
[05:28:44] <semmi> e
[05:28:46] <semmi> r
[05:28:47] <semmi> s
[05:28:48] <ze> i'm not even sure how to spell it :P
[05:28:52] <ze> i know what you mean
[05:29:01] <semmi> ~
[05:30:13] <semmi> https://ze.isageek.net/moon9-2019-11-17.html
[05:30:26] <semmi> awesome
[05:30:34] <ze> thanks :)
[05:30:51] <ze> nasa captured and shared some nice data to work with :)
[05:31:23] <ProPuke> so pretty
[05:32:29] <ze> :D
[05:32:30] <semmi> yeah .. i saved this image (before commercials and "ALL" put trash onto so i can't find anymore into html-protocol)
[05:33:19] <semmi> i mean the > original one
[05:34:30] <semmi> http://maitag.de/semmi/haxeopenfl/haxeui2-fractalgenerator-formula/?TwEARgEBegH3AP8AYhEAup8qdEQky6HPxNdl1MTg6fY+BQEFBAUCBAFhAAAA8EEFBAUKBAF5BQIEAXkFAAUKBQAEAXgEAXkAAACgQAUEBQIEAWIAAACgQQUCBQsFBAQBeQUJBAF4BQsEAXg
[05:34:54] <ProPuke> heh
[05:36:02] <semmi> mhm (i think into chat here not all of the <fractalformula>-parametericed did arrived)
[05:36:26] <semmi> (all the fractal is packed into url)
[05:36:40] <ze> heh
[05:36:59] <semmi> if you see a picture that looks like "saturn" ...
[05:37:20] <semmi> that everything is transmitted without lost ;)
[05:38:42] <ze> hmm not really
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[05:40:17] <ze> https://ze.isageek.net/2020-02-15-203910-0.jpg
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[06:38:25] <ze> starting to use ctrl-space more often ;)
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[10:56:51] <ze> bit rough yet, but i feel like i'm finally making progress on a material for generated landscapes to make them look ok even when they're basic :P
[10:56:56] <ze> and also i think progress on the scene
[10:56:59] <ze> hehe
[10:57:11] <ze> https://i.imgur.com/SJsn5Eu.png
[10:58:14] <ze> of course it's not just a material but adaptive subdivision displacement with plenty of noise textures :P
[10:59:14] <ze> i think it's the bit of white noise blended in there too that fuzzes it up like it could be grassy and rough
[10:59:16] <ze> heh
[10:59:42] <ze> probably looks bad up close, but from a distance it's a happy little hillside ;p
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[11:06:23] <ze> with preview level subdivision and a higher resolution it's kindof a neat crystal formations instead, be a good base for a geode interior
[11:06:48] <ze> or somewhere along a journey to the center of the earth :p
[11:11:33] <ze> of course polygons always lend themselves to crystals :p
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[11:22:50] <ze> https://ze.isageek.net/displacement_noises_and_adaptive_subdiv.jpg i'm like always gonna use this on landscapes now :p
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[11:36:34] <Xard> ze remember to add atmoshperic fog to your background as it creates sense of scale
[11:37:14] <ze> yep good tip, i was thinking that too :)
[11:37:55] <Xard> https://blenderartists.org/t/physical-starlight-and-atmosphere-addon-for-2-8-v1-1/1185314
[11:38:52] <Xard> that thread contains so many good examples which work as references
[11:39:03] <ze> yeah it's nice
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[12:49:17] <intrac> looped bullet carpet: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qon_FJkfnHWQUGiWIUXLLxDPZ-j7lgSz
[12:49:20] <intrac> wip, no textures
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[12:51:28] <intrac> some bullets are floating. I should've let the physics sim run longer.
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[13:46:57] <intrac> reduced margin + quick texture: https://i.imgur.com/XxFFQqp.jpg
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[13:56:42] <intrac> loosely based on: https://youtu.be/VFZ4Rvxhx5w?t=373
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[14:14:30] <TheRookie> nice job intrac
[14:14:48] <TheRookie> it looks cool
[14:15:02] <intrac> thanks
[14:17:04] <TheRookie> created it for a bigger piece of work?
[14:19:01] <intrac> no, just a quick doodle to experiment with physics baking for random placement of lots of objects
[14:19:31] <intrac> the bottom of each cartridge should have more detail and text
[14:19:32] <TheRookie> nice one, was it tricky setting it up for the loop?
[14:19:37] <intrac> the material is just very basic
[14:20:17] <intrac> no, I created a square tile of bullets, then copied/pasted
[14:20:29] <intrac> the oblique angle hides the slightly visible seams
[14:21:06] <intrac> just had to make sure that the camera start/stop time is exactly aligned with one tile
[14:23:26] <sedeki> hello all
[14:23:39] <sedeki> is the UV editor used at all if I'm doing my rendering with nodes?
[14:23:47] <sedeki> i'm a complete beginner
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[14:30:12] <intrac> sedeki: yes, Blender will try to default to using UV maps for texture positioning.
[14:30:27] <intrac> but the exact results differ for different Blender versions and renderer options.
[14:30:38] <sedeki> ah ok, so still for texture positioning.
[14:30:49] <sedeki> makes sense.
[14:31:12] <sedeki> but the UV editor has its own image, and the nodes has another one
[14:35:55] <intrac> yep, a texture selected in the UV editor is (usually) independent of an object's actual assigned texture(s)
[14:36:03] <sedeki> i see
[14:36:35] <sedeki> thanks
[14:38:09] <intrac> at one time Blender used to link the UV editor texture and texture preview in the 3d viewport, but this was quite confusing to new users.
[14:38:27] <intrac> and that aspect I think has since been removed.
[14:38:48] <sedeki> I mean if you're going to adjust your UVs... it makes sense
[14:39:39] <intrac> well, it was confusing in that although the texture would be shown in UV editor and 3d viewport simultaneously
[14:39:50] <intrac> the texture _wasn't_ actually assigned to the object
[14:39:56] <intrac> so it wouldn't show in the final render
[14:40:13] <intrac> there would often be confused users asking "why is my texture visible in the viewport but not in the final render"
[14:40:34] <intrac> so the workflow has changed a bit since.
[14:42:19] <sedeki> ok
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[14:42:56] <intrac> I only mention it in case you're using an ancient version of the program
[14:43:00] <sedeki> so to adjust my UVs, i need to add an image to the UV editor, add the same image as texture in the node/graph editor?
[14:43:07] <intrac> yep
[14:43:09] <sedeki> no i'm on 2.82
[14:45:05] <intrac> Blender will do a default UV unwrap for each image added, but the alignment can usually be improved with user adjustments
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[14:45:53] <intrac> and I think in all cases Blender will default to using UVs for an image texture node, even if no texture coordinate data is connected to the purple input socket
[14:46:08] <intrac> (labelled Vector)
[14:46:49] <intrac> but if you have more than one UV per object, you will need to specify which to use by connecting up that socket
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[17:11:44] <intrac> jaggz: yep, although Blender internally stores values linearly, so a blur in the compositor should be correct
[17:12:21] <intrac> it's basic programs that are rooted in 8 bits per channel colour (GIMP, PS, etc) that have this issue
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[17:30:16] <oneforall2> darn can't figure out why its looking for -lpthreads when it should be -lpthread
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[17:38:10] <oneforall2> https://pastebin.com/W9pTBiE6 tried pasteall but it didn't like it ..
[17:38:48] <oneforall2> oh maybe I need to disable ccache
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[17:40:24] <oneforall2> na that didn't help
[17:40:27] <intrac> oneforall2: you'll probably have more luck asking in https://blender.chat/channel/blender-coders
[17:40:39] <intrac> or: https://blender.chat/channel/blender-builds
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[17:58:45] <oneforall2> #blendercoders on here? over there now:)
[17:59:21] <oneforall2> or the ones you posted web forums?
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[18:03:45] <Xard> intrac: actually even gimp blur is gamma aware (tested out of curiosity) :D
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[18:11:49] <intrac> Xard: it must be changed in recent versions. mine doesn't appear to be.
[18:12:02] <intrac> (2.8.22)
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[18:28:26] <Xard> tested with 2.10.14
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[19:01:07] <ze> wanted to see what a high res frame with the high subdivision would look like https://i.imgur.com/y3kULqY.jpg
[19:01:28] <ze> not perfect but it still looks scruffy and approximately vegetal :P
[19:01:56] <ze> also added the haze
[19:01:58] <ze> heh
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[19:10:19] <oneforall2> https://blender.chat/channel/blender-coders not loading
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[19:11:12] <oneforall2> neither are n ff
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[19:23:22] <intrac> oneforall2: try going direct to: https://blender.chat/
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[19:23:36] <intrac> then logging in (with Blender ID - create if necessary)
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[19:42:21] <oneforall2> that works thanks
[19:44:10] <oneforall2> ah have to create a blender id ..
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[20:15:47] <ze> something i haven't been able to find in searches, but has to get done somehow, is how do you deal with huge scene scopes, like at least faking the parallax of not-infinitely-but-very-distant stuff in scenes with much smaller up close objects?
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[20:16:29] <ze> since calculations bug out at the extremes of big and small, but real scenes contain such extremes all the time :(
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[20:20:15] <ze> like my hillside background is only 100meters, compared to the foreground water cube being 2meters... if i move the camera around, it won't maintain an illusion of the hillside being kilometers in scope without some trick
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[20:21:38] <intrac> ze: you can extend the camera far-clipping to extend the range
[20:21:42] <ze> if it were a vast landscape and small movements, just locking it to the camera would be approximately right, but it's more often gonna be inbetween where that's going too far
[20:21:56] <ze> intrac: yes, i know, it's just the floating point precision starts breaking down at those scales
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[20:22:27] <intrac> hm, depends on what scales you had in mind. Blender can manage very large ranges.
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[20:22:44] <stiv> it's not reality. it's OpenGL
[20:23:05] <stiv> and single precision floating point numbers
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[20:26:19] <ze> last time i tried a multi-km scale scene, adding haze to it required the density to be something like 0.00001 for it not to completely drown the scene, and it was still more than i wanted but 0.000009 would cut it out entirely
[20:27:10] <ze> there's a scale factor for the units, and adjusting that by 100 or 1000 helped, but then it's just shifting the potential errors to the other end of the scale and i'd probably run into issues with small parts
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[21:04:23] <intrac> ze: oh ok. I haven't done much experimenting here tbh.
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[21:58:48] <ze> best shape for a haze container: cube, sphere, cylinder, view frustrum? why?
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[22:12:56] <ze> same question but for particle containers :p
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[22:28:53] <Rexodus> Wow! An existing community :)
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[22:31:21] <jaggz> intrac, thanks for the color mixing explanation
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