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[03:08:07] <michael_p> hi
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[04:34:31] <michael_p> with 2.79 you face select what that with 2.81
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[06:12:17] <sst66> michael_p, 1=vert select mode, 2=edge, 3=face
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[06:48:31] <michael_p> sst what version do you like
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[09:13:26] <blender414> hello
[09:13:52] <blender414> any good hair tutorials with eevee?
[09:14:30] <blender414> also i have made some tutorials of mine on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGJu2hqa5uU
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[09:55:46] <ze> https://i.imgur.com/bB4uAzE.jpg i think my stupid thing is making some progress ;P
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[10:10:42] <TheRookie> the lighting is nice, what is the brown surface, I am asssuming its a carpet?
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[10:14:55] <ze> thanks... i was kinda going for wood temporarily as something easy, kindof just a bad plywood right now :P
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[10:19:38] <TheRookie> might be worth just pulling a simple floorboard texture in
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[11:14:58] <ze> https://v.redd.it/tm30xol8orf41 procedural generation ;p
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[12:24:04] <Xard> I created a procedural 2d hexagon with plain math nodes pattern and played around with it: http://xard.mbnet.fi/blenderartists/b28_space_hexa.jpg
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[12:24:40] <Xard> plain 1:1 eevee with additional no post processing
[12:24:52] <Xard> no bitmap textures either
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[12:26:05] <Tehrasha> noice
[12:26:25] <Xard> also I learned the hard way that you can't map hexagon pattern to sphere seamlessly without additional pentagon poles ^^;
[12:27:55] <Xard> and what's also nice is that you can see the whole mess of nodes yourself: http://xard.mbnet.fi/blenderartists/b28_space_hexa.blend
[12:27:56] <Xard> :D
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[12:31:16] <Xard> got to love the vignetting workaround...
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[13:14:56] <Sushi> I suck at math, but I'm trying to understand how euler.to_matrix() works
[13:15:16] <Sushi> I'm getting a 3x3 mattrix but I have no idea what it represents
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[14:58:14] <intracube> has anyone noticed slower start ups recently? especially 2.82
[14:58:37] <intracube> the main window loads almost instantly, but remains blank for about 4 seconds.
[14:59:16] <intracube> second time is much quicker, which is odd considering it's loading from an SSD
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[15:07:32] <jaggz> intracube, I think I have
[15:08:03] <jaggz> But I built with debug enabled, and then got rid of that and it's felt slow recently still
[15:08:28] <jaggz> thought it was just me but didn't pursue it.. also I made an HDD change
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[15:13:16] <intracube> jaggz: let me know if you find the cause
[15:13:41] <jaggz> intracube, just tested.. no it's fast for me
[15:14:22] <intracube> it is on subsequent loads, so something is being cached.
[15:14:34] <jaggz> I didn't run it prior
[15:14:51] <jaggz> not for a few days
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[15:23:11] <intracube> will investigate further
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[16:07:37] <eamonn> Hey, so I'm working on painting up textures that I'm going to manipulate later
[16:08:50] <eamonn> The goal is to export them as different layers. Is it possible to have multiple image_texture nodes with transparency, switch between which one you're texturepainting onto, and then have another node mix them before they are used as the basecolor?
[16:08:56] <eamonn> (I'll report back if I figure it out!)
[16:14:47] <eamonn> Ha, looks like the Alpha Over node is what I'm looking for
[16:17:35] <eamonn> Oh, but I can't seem to find it, huh
[16:19:02] <eamonn> is compositing a different view I need to mess with?
[16:19:40] <eamonn> Looks like it is. I wonder if there is any equivalent in the shader nodes
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[16:24:53] <eamonn> This does a decent job of explaining it: https://blender.stackexchange.com/questions/46424/add-a-transparent-image-on-top-of-a-material
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[16:29:18] <Xard> yeah, alpha over is 2d compositing node and not material one. With materials you need to use the alpha channel to control principled alpha or use separate transparent node and mix the shader using alpha
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[16:31:24] <Xard> at least since 2.81 the principled BSDF has built-in transparency
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[16:32:40] <Xard> or "alpha" to be precise with the used terminology
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[16:35:05] <Xard> though you can get away with separate decal plane if it's dynamic in nature in cycles by disabling the shadow casting and in eevee setting the decal shadow mode to none
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[16:55:33] <eamonn> So before I use the mix nodes I need to send the image textures to principled BSFs?
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[16:59:42] <Xard_> eamonn: it varies a bit dependig of the approach you are using
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[17:02:03] <eamonn> Running each one through a principled BSF does what I wanted mostly, now I'm running into the problem of it only showing the image I'm painting on in texture paint mode
[17:02:19] <eamonn> Maybe if I set it to use the rendered image...
[17:02:56] <Xard> which rendering engine you use?
[17:03:35] <eamonn> Unclear, but once I set the viewport shading to rendered it does the right thing
[17:04:16] <eamonn> I'll write all this up, but this is pretty powerful once all sort of assembled... it lets you use your textures like Gimp/PS style layers
[17:04:40] <Xard> okay... by default 2.8 uses Eevee which is the realtime renderer there shouldn't be that much difference between rendered and materail preview besides enviroment settings
[17:05:16] <Xard> are you planning to do animations with the overlay?
[17:05:25] <eamonn> Nope, I'm making game assets
[17:05:33] <Xard> ahh, I see
[17:05:50] <eamonn> Spaceships (think Trek, SW) and want to be able to have little lights on the sides of the ship
[17:06:18] <eamonn> Previously I was putting little white dots on in texture painter and then going in in GIMP and selecting those out and making an emissive map from it
[17:06:22] <eamonn> but it's tedious to do that
[17:06:37] <eamonn> and ends up not looking great, because everyone knows spaceships have square windows, not round ones ;)
[17:06:44] <Xard> yeah
[17:07:05] <eamonn> But this way I can make the lights in a different texture and edit them to be square without disturbing the texture under them
[17:07:17] <eamonn> and then easily turn them into an emissive map
[17:07:23] <Xard> that's the sensible approach
[17:07:36] <Xard> and also you can disable texture filter for the layer
[17:07:45] <eamonn> Similar deal with paintjobs, which is especially nice because previously I was blindly drawing onto the unwrapped texture in Gimp
[17:07:54] <Xard> if you want the squares to be sharp squares
[17:08:27] <Xard> yeah... drawing precise shapes to distored surface doesn't sound very fun time :(
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[17:29:22] <eamonn> Problem is I'm halfway through redoing all of the graphics, and now I wanna go back and redo all the ones I just did XD
[17:33:58] <Xard> you are making good progress then :)
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[18:11:09] <intracube> studio matcap test: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1FGCuGZ03ifMzIOUjYsZkMhSqJqbtxj79
[18:11:43] <intracube> png: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1AvW6ksSSuG3oI0tnjdTd8CbxshcSdJa8
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[18:41:37] <eamonn> Is there a way to orbit your camera right and left the same way that you can orbit it up and down?
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[18:57:09] <jaggz> what are you talking about?
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[19:02:28] <Xard> do you mean "can you tilt the view?"
[19:02:43] <eamonn> Like, moving the camera. Never mind.
[19:03:11] <eamonn> I'm more interested in figuring out how to select stuff in texture paint mode (ie mask everything but selected faces)
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[19:03:29] <eamonn> I had it figured out yesterday but now I can't seem to find the select tools in that mode
[19:04:27] <jaggz> my masking in sculpt mode was broken when I tried last week :/
[19:05:07] <Xard> view can be tilted with shift + numpad 4 and 6
[19:05:37] <Xard> not usually needed but when painting textures I can see that there could be use for that
[19:06:46] <intracube> https://i.imgur.com/LNKQr2z.jpg
[19:06:48] <intracube> https://i.imgur.com/4ZcfEfb.jpg
[19:06:58] <intracube> not my model, just testing my environment tex
[19:08:42] <Xard> you might want to use reflection plane light probe if you use eevee
[19:09:37] <stiv> it's a car, not a plane
[19:10:17] <Sushi> is there an easy way to render the "viewport" in a render ? (ie the grid & objects like sun lamp)
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[19:11:02] <Xard> Sushi: yes, View -> Viewport Render Image
[19:11:16] <Xard> it's dropdown menu in the view header
[19:11:59] <Sushi> (it's for a small animation)
[19:12:29] <Sushi> doesn't seem to work (shader is gray)
[19:12:37] <Xard> there's also Viewport Render Animation below
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[19:17:27] <Sushi> Also the shader isn't working in eeve so i can't record it ^^
[19:18:40] <Xard> yeah, it seems that can't render over cycles
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[19:37:34] <eamonn> Man I thought I had this set up too, but in texpaint mode, how do you switch what texture the view on the right is drawing on to?
[19:41:45] <eamonn> Texture slots dropdown
[19:41:49] <eamonn> That's what it is
[19:44:07] <ze> Xard: beautiful hex sphere thingy :)
[19:44:29] <Xard> ze: thanks!
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[21:05:05] <backthen> how do I export the cycles shader to glsl/cg?
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[21:47:07] <AurorAWOL> I recently installed Blender 2.81a and am having this issue. https://pasteboard.co/ITVUTpn.png Any added object is like that. The borders are outside of the object. Am I just missing something?
[21:49:35] <AurorAWOL> Even on the default startup file the cube just shows borders and if you click on anything else it just vanishes.
[21:50:45] <AurorAWOL> Oh and sorry. I didn't see the title. http://pasteall.org/pic/e1b23ba1369a65acab98dfc59a6dbd97
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[21:54:13] <sst66> It's ok, still can't explain why, AurorAWOL. Maybe drivers? Did you get your Blender from www.blender.org/downloads ?
[21:54:28] <AurorAWOL> Yes.
[21:54:52] <AurorAWOL> Although I just did a fresh install of Windows 10.
[21:55:00] <Yaniel> do you have a HiDPI screen?
[21:56:07] <AurorAWOL> No. Just a run of the mill VGA/DVI 1600x900
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[21:57:17] <Yaniel> no such problems with 2.80?
[21:57:36] <AurorAWOL> I'm downloading 2.80 and 2.79 to see if that's the case
[21:58:00] <AurorAWOL> Just didn't know if there was some setting that I was missing.
[21:58:43] <AurorAWOL> If 2.80 works. I wonder if it was just a bad install of 2.81
[21:59:07] <Yaniel> idk this looks very bizarre
[22:01:29] <AurorAWOL> Yeah. Look at this one lol.
[22:01:32] <AurorAWOL> http://pasteall.org/pic/b9f98533f051026dd8f18c4f12861099
[22:01:50] <Yaniel> is this 2.80?
[22:02:02] <AurorAWOL> That picture was 2.81a
[22:02:05] <Yaniel> oh
[22:02:13] <Yaniel> wait, do you have a blender config from earlier?
[22:02:32] <Yaniel> you could try nuking the entire blender directory from %APPDATA%
[22:02:47] <Yaniel> or wherever your blender is keeping its settings
[22:03:34] <ze> nice pic
[22:03:36] <AurorAWOL> No I completely wiped everything and did a fresh install of Windows 10. Started from scratch. I just installed 2.80 and it works fine.
[22:03:38] <ze> it's like ux surrealism
[22:03:45] <AurorAWOL> lol ze
[22:03:48] <Yaniel> none of this even makes any sense lol
[22:04:00] <Yaniel> each outline is pinned precisely to an object
[22:04:07] <Yaniel> it's just the wrong one
[22:04:22] <AurorAWOL> Right :o
[22:04:30] <Yaniel> OTOH in the previous pic it wasn't attached to anything
[22:05:12] <ze> some kinda index off by one, and when there's only one its offset gets something else...
[22:05:13] <ze> maybe?
[22:05:31] <Yaniel> with only one it seems to be at the origin?
[22:05:47] <Yaniel> but the cube itself is not...
[22:05:59] <ze> ah right
[22:06:32] <ze> the transform settings seem to agree with the bounding box
[22:06:58] <ze> outline, rather
[22:07:25] <AurorAWOL> I wiped all traces of blender. Reinstalled 2.81 and still the same issue. I'm stumped lol
[22:07:45] <ze> do you install any particular graphics driver?
[22:07:49] <Yaniel> so what about the older versions?
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[22:10:21] <AurorAWOL> Blender 2.80 Works fine.
[22:10:35] <Yaniel> then I'd say file a bug
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[22:11:36] <Yaniel> what about those graphics drivers?
[22:12:06] <AurorAWOL> Yeah I installed the drivers. Dual titan rtx. Though in windows 7 I had no issues
[22:12:25] <Yaniel> which drivers specifically=
[22:12:39] <Yaniel> (you'll need that info for the bug report anyway)
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[23:21:16] <ze> so i find this generally helps for realism or just image quality in general: instead of using bumpmapping, use a subsurf modifier with adaptive subdivision... and in the material's settings section, surface subsection, displacement dropdown, set displacement only instead of bumpmapping... then use the displacement port/section for the material instead of the normal on the shader or anything
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[23:23:19] <ze> aside from the lack of occlusion at the edges (which relevance can vary), there's something that always seems to make bumpmapping look like bumpmapping, what is it? :P
[23:23:53] <Yaniel> parallax displacement
[23:24:55] <Yaniel> (which can be done with bumpmapping too)
[23:25:09] <ze> hmm
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[23:29:56] <ze> neat
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