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[00:14:46] <ze> hmw[at]: The play method is not allowed by the user agent or the platform in the current context, possibly because the user denied permission.
[00:15:31] <hmw[at]> That should not happen...
[00:15:57] <ze> ok it was because i have audio/video autoplay disabled by default
[00:16:07] <ze> but that interfered with it functioning at all
[00:16:53] <hmw[at]> It should work with "disabled by default", it that doesn't mean "disabled at all"
[00:17:13] <hmw[at]> hmm
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[00:17:45] <hmw[at]> *if
[00:18:29] <hmw[at]> I think, I can have it check and not try to play sound
[00:19:14] <ze> man it's hard to shift without it stopping
[00:19:16] <ze> hehe
[00:19:34] <hmw[at]> that needs practice. If it is too hard, use Easy Mode
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[00:21:19] <ze> anyway it does all work, nice it's got lots of the things fleshed out, nice going hehe
[00:22:10] <hmw[at]> I am happy too. It turned out nice so far.
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[15:45:17] <MaximLevitsky> Hi!
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[15:45:33] <MaximLevitsky> Is there a python blender api reference?
[15:45:51] <MaximLevitsky> I only found this
[15:45:51] <MaximLevitsky> https://docs.blender.org/api/current/index.html
[15:46:26] <MaximLevitsky> Just after a quick look for example at https://docs.blender.org/api/current/bpy.data.html looks like lot of stuff is missing.
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[17:27:43] <galaxie> MaximLevitsky: There's a #blenderpython channel in case you didn't know
[17:28:10] <galaxie> MaximLevitsky: And their topic links to a chatroom where people are more active and specialized.
[17:28:16] <MaximLevitsky> 10x!
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[17:29:39] <scorpion81> hmmm #blenderpython is as empty as other blender channels in IRC these days....
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[17:49:44] <galaxie> scorpion81: Hence the link in the topic.
[17:50:28] <scorpion81> yup
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[17:55:38] <galaxie> Kids these days.
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[18:57:30] <Blendster> Hey, I've got a question. Is it possible to blend vertex weights along with the shape key values, so I've got different weight values on different shape keys?
[18:58:09] <Blendster> Unfortunately I probably know the answer, but still...
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[19:04:42] <Zectbumo> Blendster: I would imagine you can do that with a script
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[19:05:49] <Zectbumo> for every vertex you can check the weight and multiply by the shape key value to get the final shape key value result
[19:06:58] <Blendster> I don't want multiply, I'd like to blend between
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[19:07:48] <Zectbumo> if you have a weight of 1/2 and a shape key value of 1/2 what would be the "blend" between them?
[19:12:33] <Blendster> If I have Two models that have the same vertex count, but one is painted all over red, so it will be 100% infuenced by the armature and the second one, that is blue, so it's 0% weight and I join them as shapes I should get 50% of vertex influence when I'll be on 0.5 blende value between two shapes.
[19:12:56] <Blendster> This is what I want to get
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[19:13:52] <Blendster> But yeah, I'll need a custom script for that to store weight painting per shape.
[19:14:04] <Zectbumo> so (1 + 0) / 2
[19:14:22] <Blendster> Yes
[19:15:26] <Blendster> let's say so
[19:16:25] <Zectbumo> I just started learning about shape keys. Is it possible to "join them as shapes"?
[19:16:49] <Blendster> It would be rather an interpolation between two values, since you can't exceed value that determines 100% of influence, but in general the output would be an average value
[19:17:07] <Zectbumo> from what I've seen you take the same object and move the vertices to make the different shape keys
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[19:18:51] <Zectbumo> oh I think I see what you want. you want to be able to paint shape key values on vertices
[19:20:30] <Blendster> Well, you can duplicate the model, and without changing vertex ammount, just adjusting vertex positions you can select first, then the second one holding shift key and click on (V) where the shape key side menu is, and click on option 'Join as shapes'. It creates the new shape on the second model, that is names just as the name of the first object.
[19:20:55] <Blendster> named*
[19:21:09] <Blendster> it's just another way of adding shape key to model
[19:22:53] <Zectbumo> thanks, I'm going to try it now
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[19:30:27] <Zectbumo> oh very cool. thanks
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[19:36:30] <Blendster> Any blender addon coders here?
[19:37:07] <Zectbumo> I can almost hear them ducking under the desk right now
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[19:43:46] <Aritodo> heh, i am, and im not ducking out, but its definitely not my area of interest in blender (i mostly focus on the vse and addons related to it)
[19:43:55] <Zectbumo> Blendster: is there any money involved?
[19:45:34] <Blendster> Zectbumo: Yes, but the addon I need will be a real challenge even for skilled programmers
[19:46:26] <Zectbumo> okay so not your weighted shape key then
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[19:49:16] <Aritodo> Blendster: keep in mind that with addon dev in blender, new versions tend to break stuff and it will need to be regularly updated if you wish to keep using it with newer versions
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[19:50:44] <Blendster> Thank you for mentioning, still it's much easier at that point
[19:50:53] <Aritodo> indeed
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[20:12:07] <mithrison> hi
[20:12:38] <mithrison> what's a good way and libraries to programatically alter a 3d face in STL format?
[20:14:49] <Zectbumo> mithrison: you could be looking for using blender as a python library
[20:19:45] <mithrison> Zectbumo is there a library to give me nice features such as depth detection of an area?
[20:20:11] <mithrison> with a python script I want to cut the nose part from a face model stl
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[20:21:05] <Zectbumo> is this for inside or outside blender? I was thinking you wanted a script you could run the file through
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[20:22:25] <Aritodo> mithrison: blender's python libraries have some pretty nice features for casting rays that can be used for depth detection
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[20:38:11] <mithrison> hmm
[20:38:21] <mithrison> Zectbumo script independent of any software
[20:38:26] <mithrison> just pure python + 3d lib
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[20:38:49] <Zectbumo> okay so your 3d lib will be Blender
[20:39:08] <Lehthanis> Hey everyone...does anyone know if there's an openflight (flt) exporter for blender 2.81?
[20:40:48] <Aritodo> oh, i dont know about outside of blender tho
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[20:42:38] <Zectbumo> mithrison: this is what you are looking for https://wiki.blender.org/wiki/Building_Blender/Other/BlenderAsPyModule
[20:43:08] <Zectbumo> "...not officially supported... Currently, its a build option you can enable, for your own use"
[20:43:30] <Zectbumo> so you won't get too much help I imagine. I hope you know what you are doing
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[20:45:04] <noudle> is it possible to render smoke on an amd gpu using their plugin? https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/radeon-prorender
[20:48:07] <noudle> or water
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[22:48:09] <hmw[at]> What mesh input format would you suggest for my WebGL 3D "engine"?
[22:48:31] <Foaly> a pet project?
[22:48:35] <hmw[at]> yes
[22:48:47] <Foaly> whatever is simplest to parse
[22:49:10] <hmw[at]> A friend needs a very basic 3D view of a machine he is working on and I intend to use it for simple games. What is easy to interpret and can be exported from Blender?
[22:49:57] <Foaly> you can literally write a script in a dozen lines that writes the mesh in whatever you can read directly
[22:50:00] <hmw[at]> I heard of STL, but I have no clue
[22:50:06] <Foaly> so simply meshbuffer and indexbuffer
[22:50:21] <Foaly> then you woudn't need any parsing
[22:50:27] <hmw[at]> You mean a script for Blender?
[22:50:37] <Foaly> yes, python
[22:50:50] <hmw[at]> I see. Anything built in perhaps?
[22:50:56] <Foaly> stl requires removing doubles for parsing
[22:51:02] <hmw[at]> I am not afrtaid of parsing
[22:51:16] <Foaly> unless of course you are using some asset import library
[22:51:32] <Foaly> you will definitely find code for wavefront obj
[22:52:04] <Foaly> and i think the recommended format for web applications is gltf
[22:52:24] <Foaly> but it's a committee format i believe, not sure how good it is
[22:52:36] <hmw[at]> I am at the very beginning and I have zero experience with Blender, so I don't even know, where in the while thing Wavefront fits in :)
[22:53:06] <Foaly> wavefront is a really old text based format
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[22:53:12] <hmw[at]> Will I get good results, if I make an STL importer? I mean, have someone make a model in Blender and click a button then send the file to me?
[22:53:19] <hmw[at]> ah ok
[22:53:32] <Foaly> what features do you need?
[22:53:38] <Foaly> just a static model, no textures?
[22:53:40] <bzztploink> stl? is great for 3d printing, less great for 3d engines
[22:53:41] <hmw[at]> At best textures
[22:53:55] <Foaly> stl doesn't have textures
[22:54:03] <bzztploink> gltf comes to mind
[22:54:15] <hmw[at]> I know that already :) I can live with only getting vertex coordinates and triangle info
[22:54:29] <Foaly> but i wouldn't want to write a parser for either
[22:54:35] <Foaly> that sounds like a project of its own
[22:54:55] <hmw[at]> I see. So you are NOT suggesting STL, GLTF and Wavefront, do I get that right? :)
[22:55:05] <bzztploink> i am suggesting gltf
[22:55:14] <bzztploink> especially for browser based stuff
[22:55:17] <hmw[at]> ok thanks a lot. Going to investigate
[22:55:20] <Foaly> if you have an exsting parser, sure
[22:55:21] <bzztploink> it's json based, browsers like json
[22:55:35] <hmw[at]> Ah that's handy of course
[22:55:36] <Foaly> it's probably the best supported
[22:55:58] <bzztploink> there's a fair list of parsers here https://www.khronos.org/gltf/
[22:55:58] <Foaly> but if you write it yourself, i'd come up with my own format
[22:56:04] <bzztploink> together with a copy of the spec
[22:56:25] <hmw[at]> bzztploink: Sounds perfect, thanks
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[22:57:23] <hmw[at]> I am going to need a few cars, I want to design myself, once I get up to speed with Blender. Haven't done 3D since 1995 or so
[22:57:50] <hmw[at]> So I'd like to get a nice work flow, once my engine is up
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[22:59:02] <bzztploink> sounds weird to start with the engine, people are unlikley to see it, i'd probably start with the body of the car first :P
[22:59:54] <hmw[at]> I am learning WebGL atm. I did an OpenGL game a while ago. My question revolves around how I am best going to store my data, so that I can import things later on without rewriting too much.
[23:01:02] <hmw[at]> I'll probably also render a bunch of dynamically created things (Solar system, galaxy sim, aso)
[23:01:24] <bzztploink> if you don't want to do your own renderer, https://github.com/google/filament is an option
[23:01:29] <bzztploink> it's well documented, so that's always nice
[23:01:37] <Foaly> cars in space?
[23:01:39] <hmw[at]> Also good to know, Thanks again
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[23:02:22] <hmw[at]> Foaly: No, it is not "Spaceballs" :) I will be making a bunch of different things. I am preparing for an actual commercial game and on the way, I'll do some small fun things.
[23:02:47] <hmw[at]> For example, I will rewrite harald.ist.org?getaway using WebGL
[23:05:21] <Zectbumo> hmw[at]: I see fbx used a lot. I'm not sure if it is easier or harder than stl
[23:05:40] <Zectbumo> or obj which is lightwave
[23:05:56] <Foaly> you can parse stl in half a page of code, but it has no features
[23:06:14] <hmw[at]> I looked at the Wikipedia page for STL, it seems fairly simple
[23:07:03] <hmw[at]> Otoh, I wouldn't be against importing texture information. I shall meditate over this.
[23:07:26] <Zectbumo> from what I heard STL is more used for 3D printing
[23:07:34] <hmw[at]> I know it from there
[23:08:42] <hmw[at]> I was only wondering, what format is easy to export from Blender with built-in things in a fresh Blender install, that is as easy to parse as possible.
[23:09:21] <Foaly> most general purpose formats are hard to parse from scratch
[23:09:24] <Foaly> just use a library
[23:09:30] <hmw[at]> I may do that
[23:09:59] <Foaly> just use gltf
[23:10:17] <hmw[at]> But I am crazy. I am considering writing a simple 3D editor
[23:10:46] <hmw[at]> I hear you, Foaly
[23:10:47] <Foaly> standford ply seems pretty reasonable
[23:10:55] <Foaly> if you want to write it yourself
[23:11:19] <hmw[at]> I do enjoy writing things myself from scratch, though
[23:12:04] <hmw[at]> "data confidence value" uhm. What's that
[23:12:32] <Foaly> where?
[23:12:39] <hmw[at]> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PLY_(file_format)
[23:13:04] <hmw[at]> initial paragraph
[23:13:12] <Foaly> that's just some blabber
[23:13:30] <Foaly> whoever wrote that just came up with some words
[23:13:33] <hmw[at]> Features sound good enough for me. Still looking at gltf, tho
[23:13:41] <Foaly> you can store arbitrary values in ply
[23:15:29] <Zectbumo> wouldn't there be a good page or blog comparing stl vs obj vs fbx vs ply?
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[23:16:20] <Foaly> they are wildly different
[23:16:31] <Foaly> why would you even compare them
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[23:18:00] <stepcut> I'd like to create something like this in blender, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPdguhMasiQ -- in that video the author used a custom (still unreleased) python script to perform the FFT and generate the mesh.
[23:18:41] <stepcut> I could also start from scratch and write a python script -- but I am wondering if anything more advanced than 'bake sound to f-curve' already exists ?
[23:19:17] <stepcut> perhaps as an add-on? Or perhaps there is at least a good tutorial on writing a script to drive animations via FFT analysis?
[23:20:00] <Foaly> do you know about "animation nodes"?
[23:20:03] <pedja> animation nodes, sverchok?
[23:20:58] <pedja> always forget what the 3rd one is :)
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[23:21:44] <stepcut> oh yeah, I remember using animation nodes now that you mention it
[23:24:14] <Zectbumo> Foaly: why compare them? because they are 3d formats. https://all3dp.com/3d-file-format-3d-files-3d-printer-3d-cad-vrml-stl-obj/
[23:24:59] <Foaly> that's the worst animation of a pigeon i have ever seen
[23:28:30] <Zectbumo> oh interesting. I didn't know STL is on its way out https://blog.medit.com/medit/the-battle-of-file-formats-stl-vs-obj-vs-ply
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[23:38:11] <Zectbumo> from my search it seems fbx is proprietary, ply is an updated format of obj, and stl is lacking in color and texture data. winner? ply
[23:41:11] <Yaniel> the real winner is glTF though
[23:42:07] <Yaniel> pretty much all the features of fbx and collada but is both open and actively promoted
[23:42:12] <Yaniel> and not xml :D
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[23:43:18] <Yaniel> fbx is very proprietary indeed, and blender can't legally use the official sdk for it so any fbx support in blender is reverse engineered guesswork
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[23:57:08] <pedja> 'every time you use gltf instead of fbx, an angel gets its wings'
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