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[02:26:45] <Robitron> Why does it always go into perspective mode when I press the middle mouse button? Is there a way to stop that? I prefer to manually switch between the two.
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[02:57:39] <Sahns> Hi, does anyone know any good advanced compositing tutorials? one that isnt showing me how to add mist and vignettes, preferably various render passes
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[05:08:19] <Aritodo> im having trouble with hair... x mirror setting for the comb doesnt work... anyone have an idea what could be wrong?
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[11:33:43] <jaggz> okay that's weird.. if I rotate a plane or a cube z45 and scale it on x, it scales it on y too
[11:34:01] <jaggz> I'd expect to get a diamondy shape from it.. but nupe.
[11:35:28] <jaggz> Aritodo, yeah.. not working here either
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[11:41:34] <day> jaggz: same in 2.79. interestingly this only happens at exactly 45°
[11:43:05] <day> i always wanted a 'scale in 2 dimensions feature though' maybe i can abuse this ^.^
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[11:49:31] <jaggz> day, you have that.. shift-Z
[11:49:36] <jaggz> that'll scale on x and y
[11:49:40] <jaggz> s shift-Z
[11:50:01] <jaggz> or any other axis will scale along the plane of that axis instead of along the axis itself
[11:58:48] <Thorn> can we expect uv tools like these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9bQfYQ62T0 in Blender in the foreseeable future?
[12:00:49] <day> jaggz: :O thanks
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[12:03:16] <day> hm i take it back it happens at other angles too
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[12:07:59] <jaggz> day, if you apply rotation it works
[12:08:04] <jaggz> but.. that's not proper
[12:08:20] <jaggz> too tired to post bug
[12:08:56] <sst66> One shouldn't be rotating objects anyway, rotate meshes instead
[12:09:26] <sst66> And does as expected in all versions I have here
[12:14:50] <joules> Thorn: well we have UDIM now.
[12:16:00] <joules> As for distortion, you kind of figure that out after UV unwrap. I mean what doesn't have distortion after 3D -> 2D flattening.
[12:16:06] <Thorn> udim is probably cool but I'm mostly concerned about basic editing tools, problem highlighting in the uv viewport, etc.
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[12:16:29] <joules> yeah, there was always workarounds with udim
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[12:18:44] <joules> islands should always be aligned as straight as possible along X and Y coordinates IMO. to avoid pixel stretch/distortion at the steams. So some of these audo UV island optimising methods are overrated.
[12:25:41] <joules> there's this mistery branch still working on baking also. NFI what's it is about.
[12:28:20] <joules> there was this ttps://developer.blender.org/D3533
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[13:34:51] <surgy> hi
[13:37:58] <surgy> anyone around?
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[13:42:42] <surgy> hi
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[13:44:52] <seseri> just ask
[13:45:27] <surgy> seseri just say hi :)
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[14:44:40] <Robitron> http://pasteall.org/pic/95de365fca50a0034fe9ec4eba69aec3 So what do you think?
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[15:27:42] <charolastra> Robitron: the posters are floating, bed and wall have the same bumb texture, the bed lamps don't seem to emit
[15:27:47] <charolastra> what rendering engine is that?
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[15:29:45] <Robitron> Cycles
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[15:31:01] <charolastra> hmm, it looks like the old blender engine
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[15:39:20] <Robitron> I don't know why. I'm using 2.82. And I don't understand how the lamps don't look like their emitting to you. They're obviously glowing on my screen...
[15:40:03] <Robitron> I do agree with the posters though. I'd forgotten to move them. lol
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[15:46:31] <charolastra> their screen is, but the left lamp doesn't cast any ligth on its own shadow and the wall. there shouldn't be a shadow at all there
[15:46:58] <charolastra> are you using the blender lamps or cycles materials?
[15:47:05] <Robitron> I thought that was strange too but don't know how to fix that.
[15:48:10] <Robitron> I'm using objects and rendering with emission shaders.
[15:49:49] <charolastra> hmm, doesn't look like there is any light bouncing at all. the bed cover should reflect violet into the back of the bed, etc.
[15:52:33] <jaggz> Robitron, wall and blanky textures seem too rough.
[15:52:49] <jaggz> actually, wall is too much and also too large for any wall bumps I've seen
[15:53:25] <jaggz> bed's looks like .. maybe it's okay .. if it's like.. a fluffy wool or even a wool-like synthetic
[15:53:58] <jaggz> but it looks like cement.. I wonder what subsurface scattering would do to that
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[15:54:24] <jaggz> to simulate the light passing through the individual fibers slightly even in black.. not sure..
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[15:56:19] <charolastra> that's the last of the worries. the whole lighting seems wrong. try setting the different light emitters to different color (like complete red, green,...) to see their effects
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[16:01:21] <Robitron> Okay, I changed the lamp emission color from that of the overhead, scalled up the noise and magic values on the walls as well as the noise scale of the blanket. I also added subsurface scattering to the blanket.
[16:02:10] <Robitron> sorry, the musgrave scale on the blanket.
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[16:06:43] <Robitron> charolastra, it's the lamp shade. I have it set to subscatter but that's not allowing enough light to pass through to eliminate the shadows.
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[16:32:17] <Robitron> With that overhead light, I can't get rid of the shadow of the lamp. I've even tried to mix Translucent, Transparent and Principled shader but the shadows remain.
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[17:04:41] <ze> things like noise and bump should often be so subtle you don't notice it unless you a/b compare directly with and without it
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[17:08:11] <ze> i need to track down some study i saw about what has the biggest impact on realism, there were like 3 things in particular that were fairly subtle but had a big impact on impressions of realism... i think realistic lighting/shading was #1
[17:08:20] <ze> but it's often about a lot of things too subtle to notice adding up to an overall effect
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[17:10:37] <ze> Robitron: someone linked to ontal-dresser.jpg as a reference
[17:10:57] <ze> Robitron: notice how the lamp shades and walls and things are lit by the lamps
[17:11:24] <ze> er
[17:11:30] <ze> linked to https://www.homestratosphere.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/master-bedroom-with-horizontal-dresser.jpg
[17:11:31] <ze> rather
[17:12:30] <Robitron> Yeah, I have that still open. I just hadn't looked at it for awhile but yeah, the shadows from the lamp shade are there...
[17:12:47] <ze> yes shadows, but also bright spots
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[17:13:01] <ze> maybe look into cie lights, which give those kinda light cast profiles
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[17:13:50] <Robitron> cie lights?
[17:14:00] <ze> also you've just got no dynamic range
[17:14:35] <ze> it takes special effort to capture most scenes without having both over and under exposed elements, or at least one or the other
[17:14:39] <ze> irl
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[17:16:45] <ze> there's very little overexposure in that reference, but you can see the bigger lamp is saturated where the bulb is, but also the dark spots approach black, like inside the nightstand cubby is too dark to make anything out in
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[17:17:43] <ze> that's like a very well and evenly exposed image for the most part, but you can still see the limits/extremes
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[17:19:55] <Robitron> Sorry, I got disconnected. :9
[17:19:57] <Robitron> :(
[17:20:06] <ze> there's very little overexposure in that reference, but you can see the bigger lamp is saturated where the bulb is, but also the dark spots approach black, like inside the nightstand cubby is too dark to make anything out in
[17:20:09] <ze> that's like a very well and evenly exposed image for the most part, but you can still see the limits/extremes
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[17:21:01] <ze> Robitron: i think your lamp shades actually look pretty nice and glowly... i'm not sure if they're exactly what they should be for the scene's realism or not, but i think they're nice at least :)
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[17:22:52] <ze> i think they'd be pretty dim to just look glowly like that though, lights that actually light up scenery should generally be too bright to look at and oversaturated in most pictures
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[17:24:00] <ze> though it depends... the dimmer lamp in the reference doesn't oversaturate, but the bigger one does
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[17:37:08] <Robitron> Ah, I forgot to change that in the color management!
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[17:38:49] <ze> question about uv unwrapping: there's an addon for unfolding a mesh to be printed out and folded up out of paper... is there a way to uv unwrap that same way? it's like i don't even care about wasted space in a texture, but what i do care about is never distorting it!
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[17:41:42] <ze> like i dunno why this should be so hard, if you think of a surface resolution, like say 10 pixels per millimeter, you could sample every point on a surface at that resolution, and store that in a representation, and then project it back onto identical geometry and not warp any pixels anywhere in the process
[17:42:59] <ze> anyway
[17:43:23] <ze> Robitron: i think i might work on a challenge
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[17:43:51] <ze> like realism on minimalism
[17:43:52] <Robitron> what challenge?
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[17:44:05] <ze> i kinda wanna make like a bare empty room
[17:44:09] <ze> like in a clean vacant house
[17:44:24] <ze> and see if i can't make it look like a photograph of a clean bare empty room
[17:44:27] <ze> :P
[17:44:57] <Robitron> cool
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[17:45:05] <ze> that would probably be a good challenge for anyone wanting to develop their cg realism skills
[17:45:07] <ze> hehe
[17:45:37] <scorpion811> bare empty room = camera inside defaultcube ? :D
[17:45:57] <ze> it'd be a start :P
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[17:46:03] <Robitron> lol
[17:46:18] <ze> but... i'd probably start with realistic dimensions, drywall comes in like 8x4' sheets iirc :P
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[17:47:06] <ze> real spaces tend toward some pretty standardized metrics, especially modern ones
[17:47:38] <ze> not that that's highly visible in a render, but any little detail can help
[17:48:26] <ze> one thing i've noticed in a lot of creative work is often the best results come from the cumulative effect of a bunch of imperceptible enhancements
[17:48:59] <scorpion811> like enabling AO ? lol (jk) :D
[17:49:06] <ze> :p
[17:50:48] <scorpion811> got another realism challenge for you :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsLfDzP14Gg :D
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[17:54:59] <ze> heh
[17:55:43] <ze> most things in realtime graphics still look like plastic models or something to me :p
[17:56:16] <scorpion811> the trained eye can still spot rendered vs real photo, yes
[17:57:03] <Robitron> That's always the problem. We know it's fake therefore we look for the fakeness.
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[17:57:20] <ze> a funny thing, thumbnails almost always look way better than the full-size image :P
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[17:57:53] <scorpion811> more info per square inch :D
[17:58:20] <ze> one thing i notice about reality vs cg is reality always has more details than you can optically resolve, whereas cg usually shows its detail limit
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[17:58:35] <ze> the thumbnails defeat that by having detail you can't see but get an impression of
[17:59:12] <ze> i've noticed it still works on pieces i've seen done with high enough resolution and detail, they only look cg when you zoom in 1:1, but as long as it's downscaled to fit a screen it looks more photographic
[17:59:21] <ze> or painterly
[17:59:22] <scorpion811> lol the entire game data being used for FS2020 is 2 PB... so a part of it is streamed.
[18:00:39] <ze> https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/021/418/761/large/courtney-hopkinson-milkmain-monarch-2k-ludwig.jpg?1571621996
[18:00:42] <ze> there's one i noticed like that
[18:01:05] <ze> even at 1:1 it seems to have detail beyond visibility, and the cg-ness is subtle
[18:01:35] <ze> but downscaled it's hard to notice anything off at all
[18:01:38] <ze> heh
[18:01:57] <ze> i think the only thing that bugs me is the floor a little
[18:02:36] <ze> kinda looks like an oldschool bumpmap look on there :p
[18:03:21] <ze> and some little details if i zoom in, but yeah
[18:04:04] <ze> scorpion811: fun
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[18:09:43] <Robitron> scorpion811, FS2020??? I haven't gotten that one yet. I'm still on FS2011. lol Never did get all of the fields planted.
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[18:10:13] <ze> i downloaded several cds worth of data for flightgear once and forgot about it ;p
[18:10:35] <scorpion811> Robitron: lol my last FS was from 1998, ms combat flightsim 1 lol (with WWII aircraft)
[18:10:47] <oletum> hi everyone...
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[18:11:52] <scorpion811> ze, this time you need 2000 TB lol for all data :D your own server rack with a lot of HDDs basically
[18:12:11] <oletum> is it possible to set "mark freestyle" for individual linesets? or do i need to clone the object for that
[18:12:30] <Robitron> scorpion811, wait, is when you say FS, do you mean Farming Simulator or Flight Simulator? lol
[18:12:38] <scorpion811> Flight, lol
[18:13:02] <ze> heheh
[18:13:47] <Robitron> Ah, okay. lol I haven't haven't played that one since 2008... I think.
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[18:15:47] <scorpion811> oletum: hmm isnt every edge markable as freestyle edge separately ? (didnt use freestyle before, but i guess this some edge custom data)
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[18:17:52] <oletum> jeah but i dont see where i can limit it to one lineset(ie i want a dash dot dash line for the center of a cylinder and a simple dash for hidden edges)(both the same object)
[18:18:44] <oletum> i can set it to freestyle now but its for all linesets
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[18:38:43] <portnov> https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/284644/73866821-51d58300-4867-11ea-8ecb-c41002575cb6.png
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[19:05:47] <intracube> oh mah god, this is good: https://youtu.be/AwAhJMIXPyw?t=79
[19:05:56] <intracube> responsive/adaptive UI column layout
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[19:09:54] <portnov> eeh
[19:10:01] <portnov> isn't it there since 2.80?...
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[19:13:32] <intracube> portnov: nope, it's mostly (all?) single column now
[19:13:45] <portnov> hmm
[19:14:08] <portnov> i remember watching reviews of something like that video near 2.80 release
[19:14:21] <portnov> maybe it never got to be released, idk...
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[19:17:11] <intracube> no matter how wide you make the properties panel now, it's resolutely single-column: https://i.imgur.com/TQwab9i.png
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[19:25:31] <portnov> it seems the "responsive ui" by itself is there, it just is implemented not everywhere. Look at Output section of the same panel, "Overwrite" / "Placeholders" /... checkboxes do rearrange.
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[19:30:19] <Thorn> T - 13 h 30 min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1prO1uzcSQ
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[19:30:28] <Thorn> wrong channel sorry
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[19:35:20] <intracube> portnov: indeed. also the tickboxes in the render passes panel.
[19:36:31] <intracube> but it's not part of the current style rules :/
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[19:51:58] <Robitron> Rules were made to be broken!
[19:53:00] <red_owl> not really
[19:53:53] <red_owl> thats just a bad excuse of people who have hard time restraining themselves
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[19:55:05] <stiv> rules are rules for a good reason. if you are going to break them, you should know why
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[23:15:04] <JayFoxRox> I have a weird issue where my viewport in the shading tab doesn't show some objects. also if I select one of those objects in the layout viewport, then switch to the shading tab / viewport and hit "view -> frame selected" then nothing happens
[23:15:34] <JayFoxRox> the objects appear in the view layer, they are marked for display
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[23:16:21] <JayFoxRox> the viewport in the shading tab has all object type visibilities enabled
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