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[01:26:19] <Rob1tron> Does this look better?
[01:26:24] <Rob1tron> http://pasteall.org/pic/506a901aa91dfcb448de1abc942f91c2
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[03:22:49] <ze> my room would be so hard to render.. it's all dusty clutter and a hammock :P
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[03:27:57] <Robitron> hehe
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[04:48:08] <backthen> for a virtual scene, is placing a human video footage inside video compositing?
[04:51:41] <backthen> basically, your typical big budget movie where actors are human in front of green screen, to be visually composited with rendered background
[04:52:26] <backthen> Does blender do this or is this the realm of After Effects?
[04:52:59] <stiv> go watch Tears of Steel
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[04:57:18] <backthen> stiv: great. Which tutorial do you recommend? Most video compo results are from After Effects
[04:59:00] <stiv> there's a lot of stuff on youtube. official blender channel. cgcookie is good. blender guru
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[09:20:33] <Aritodo> geez, is blender's website still getting attacked or something? cant access the blender.chat :\
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[09:44:33] <DSpider> why would anyone attack it?
[09:44:52] <DSpider> did they invest stock in Autodesk or something?
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[09:46:43] <Aritodo> i dont know... i remember there being some news stories about it being ddos'ed a couple days ago
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[10:43:56] <engys> uhh my blender/eevee crashing on mesa 19.3.3
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[10:51:00] <engys> without -Wno-dev it throws the following messages:
[10:51:10] <engys> mesa: for the --simplifycfg-sink-common option: may only occur zero or one times!
[10:51:29] <engys> mesa: for the --global-isel-abort option: may only occur zero or one times!
[10:52:07] <engys> sry -> I meant compiles with -Wno-dev
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[11:04:09] <engys> but it is the same without
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[11:05:50] <engys> the default cube is fine but all my old and bigger sceneries are effected
[11:07:04] <engys> surely a mesa problem
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[12:28:30] <OverCoder> hey
[12:28:34] <OverCoder> no wait wrong channel
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[13:37:31] <christiankrupa> hiya, does anyone know why a file I save in 280 might take longer to render in 281? (eevee I dont change anything in between)
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[13:42:17] <day> how much longer?
[13:42:46] <engys> christiankrupa: I also had performance difference mostly because of optix integration while I am using opencl
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[13:42:59] <day> if it's just a little longer my guess would be some bug fix caused a slow down
[13:43:14] <christiankrupa> it's like from 3 secs - 9 secs
[13:43:22] <day> if it is much longer i would say a bug causes a slow down :D
[13:43:28] <day> oh
[13:44:15] <engys> by the way the crashing I had was not mesa 19.3.3 it was because of amdgpu-pro driver fragments for opencl
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[13:45:02] <christiankrupa> it cuold be my files, they're quite big and complex and have been originally made in 279 - I'm revisiting a dead project and repurposing the material for a short art film
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[13:48:47] <engys> please Intel give me a graphic card that has open source drivers .. I hate this half cooking amd pro crap
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[13:49:57] <Yaniel> I'd take an AMD graphics card with opensource OpenCL drivers too
[13:50:21] <Yaniel> or heck even an NVIDIA one
[13:50:45] <Yaniel> oh you are using eevee
[13:51:11] <Yaniel> then amdgpu/mesa should be perfectly sufficient
[13:51:36] <Yaniel> hmm, would be interesting to know if eevee benefits from ACO
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[13:53:51] <engys> Yaniel: no I think the scenes I was using was set to cycles even it was first created as eevee project
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[13:55:15] <engys> now I am back where I started -> having a 7nm navi rx 5700 oc without opencl
[13:55:50] <Yaniel> I guess the simplest way out is to back up your blend files and convert them to eevee if that's an acceptable solution
[13:56:15] <Yaniel> after all it *should* be just a matter of flipping the dropdown in render settings to eevee
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[14:03:03] <engys> its fine now .. I think I throw the rx 5700 oc into trash and reinstall my rx 480
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[14:04:10] <engys> polaris and vega doing well .. no idea why navi create so many problems
[14:04:18] <Yaniel> oh yeah have you tried rocm?
[14:04:39] <Yaniel> specifically rocm-opencl-runtime
[14:05:11] <Yaniel> (instead of amdgpu-pro)
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[14:06:57] <engys> lets see
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[15:06:12] <engys> I think I have tried enough rocm. Building this package is nearly impossible and it is not my job to fill a bugtacker for hardware I bought.
[15:06:39] <Yaniel> it's not prepackaged on your distro?
[15:07:28] <engys> no and ubuntu or debian is not an option
[15:08:16] <Yaniel> hmm, shame :(
[15:08:18] <Yaniel> which distro btw?
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[15:10:35] <engys> arch linux but the sourcecode of this packages came from github
[15:10:56] <engys> it is not the first time I try to build this gits
[15:11:20] <Yaniel> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/rocm-opencl-runtime/ so did you try this
[15:13:38] <engys> yes .. and I remember times where I filled the bugtracker for the rocm devs ..
[15:14:16] <Yaniel> okay
[15:14:23] <Yaniel> then I'm out of ideas
[15:14:40] <engys> something that is so unreliable did not deserve a third chance
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[15:15:42] <Yaniel> yea, hence why I no longer use arch :^)
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[15:16:40] <engys> has nothing to do with arch linux .. it is simply a rocm we try to build something that look like open source habit
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[15:16:51] <Yaniel> in my case it had nothing to do with rocm
[15:17:07] <Yaniel> just a similar situation otherwise
[15:17:28] <engys> so rocm and blender working for you?
[15:17:56] <Yaniel> no, I haven't tried rocm yet
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[16:01:33] <engys> by the way rocm has no navi support
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[16:02:17] <Yaniel> huh
[16:02:19] <Yaniel> that's weird
[16:02:27] <engys> https://rocm.github.io/install.html#supported-gpus
[16:03:29] <Yaniel> I see
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[16:07:14] <engys> but even then it should build the packages for my ryzen
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[16:08:00] <engys> 3700x
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[16:14:15] <day> how awesome is the optiX feature compared to cuda?
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[16:15:13] <day> is it an upgrade in every regard vs cuda or is it a highly situational feature?
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[18:46:58] <Yaniel> day: about 50%
[18:47:13] <Yaniel> I mean it's hardware that was made specifically to make raytracing faster
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[18:47:37] <Yaniel> vs "only" massively parallel generic compute hardware
[18:48:27] <Yaniel> 50% faster that is, IIRC
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[18:54:18] <engys> system performance rises after deinstalling amdgpu pro .. that really hurst!!!
[18:54:28] <engys> *hurts
[18:54:56] <Yaniel> it's not really news though
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[18:57:26] <day> Yaniel: nice. i knew it gives significant gains, but i wasnt sure it is universally applicable
[18:57:56] <Yaniel> well not *universally*
[18:58:05] <Yaniel> but in the one specific thing that cycles does, yes
[18:58:20] <day> yeah i mean within the usecase 'cycles'
[18:58:42] <day> btw. i noticed that my mouse ui gets sluggy when rendering with cuda. does this still happen with optiX too?
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[19:32:26] <midn> I'm trying to setup motion blur on a single render, but I can't really see any blur in the result. The body is in motion in that frame. Shutter has a max curve and it's speed is 0.5. I don't know what those values really mean nor do I know how a camera works in-depth so I've been trying different values
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[19:40:56] <midn> (2.79b, cycles)
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[19:50:24] <intracube> midn: that should be enough to get mblur. Eevee doesn't support it properly, but you say you're using Cycles so I'm not sure.
[19:51:12] <intracube> just make sure you've got animation/movement across the frames each side of the one you're on
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[19:53:06] <midn> I am, so I'm a bit confused
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[20:02:58] <intracube> midn: I can only suggest you start with a really simple armature rig and introduce the complexity of the problematic one
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[20:03:05] <intracube> and try and find the point that the mblur stops working
[20:03:17] <intracube> this was the only reference I could find: https://blender.stackexchange.com/questions/39395/motion-blur-not-applying-to-rigged-propeller
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[20:03:46] <intracube> got to go for now
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[20:05:35] <midn> Okay thanks, I'll look into it further
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[20:13:06] <midn> Yup, it did work
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