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[00:00:55] <jaggz> mattfly, i right-clicked the rotation checkbox and went to view source
[00:00:56] <jaggz> https://i.imgur.com/ZChDqIk.png
[00:01:18] <jaggz> I wonder if there's something there in those highlighted lines that indicates what's checkblocking it
[00:01:27] <mattfly> i am using hair
[00:01:40] <jaggz> a bit old-fashioned don't you think?
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[00:04:22] <jaggz> or in docs somewhere :)
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[00:08:12] <jaggz> mattfly, once you figure it out let us know.. or actually, I'm too busy, .. post it as a bug report because the tooltip could explain what's needed and really should
[00:08:17] <jaggz> mebbe
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[01:25:36] <Robitron> Blender just made me cry.
[01:26:31] <Robitron> Or maybe I just made me cry.
[01:26:45] <Robitron> Blender crashed and I hadn't saved it for awhile. lol
[01:30:27] <ze> it can't recover from a recent autosave?
[01:32:43] <Robitron> yeah but still... the recent one was over an hour ago. lol
[01:33:03] <ze> ouch
[01:33:16] <ze> i thought it was set to every 10min or something by default
[01:33:18] <ze> hehe
[01:34:30] <Robitron> It looks like it's based on how much you're actually changing the file. I was rendering for about an hour then after it was done with that, I tried to add a bevel modifier and it crashed.
[01:35:15] <ze> :(
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[01:50:42] <Robitron> Fortunately, since I had been rendering instead of editing, I didn't really lose anything except the rotation of an object. hehe
[01:52:58] <stiv> you were rendering frames of course....
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[02:11:20] <Robitron> nope, I was render a single frame. lol
[02:11:47] <Robitron> This isn't an animation. Just a still frame.
[02:17:14] <Robitron> I can't figure out how to realistically age an object. :(
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[02:19:05] <stiv> pointyness is helpful for putting wear & scratches on an object
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[02:19:48] <Robitron> pointyness? not sure what that is.
[02:20:34] <Robitron> I'll post my pic for critique when the next render is done.
[02:20:42] <stiv> one of them nodey things!
[02:21:09] <Robitron> nooo not a nodey thingy! lol
[02:22:17] <stiv> yep. part of the Geometry node. material stuff
[02:22:24] <Robitron> Funny, I liked my bed until I said I'd post the render for critique. Now I don't like it.
[02:22:51] <stiv> they say art is never finished...
[02:22:58] <Robitron> true dat!
[02:23:32] <Robitron> But I have to convince somebody that this is my actual room... freshly remodeled.
[02:23:39] <ze> nothing is truly finished until it's dead or irrelevant ;p
[02:24:04] <Robitron> wow! that makes me finished! lol
[02:24:16] <ze> doesn't sound like it :P
[02:24:58] <Robitron> The irrelevant part, not the dead part. lol
[02:25:28] <ze> nahh
[02:25:31] <ze> heh
[02:36:17] <Robitron> http://pasteall.org/pic/1dcdd941e4d5de1f68939f75b7ba03dd be gentle. :)
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[02:40:38] <ze> neat
[02:41:11] <Robitron> thanks but what needs to be improved and how?
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[02:43:28] <Robitron> It doesn't look real enough to me.
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[02:50:28] <Robitron> ze, notice the picture on the wall? lol
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[03:23:13] <jaggz> Robitron, what about /tmp/ ??
[03:23:24] <jaggz> the auto save and the crash saves.. there's often the crash save
[03:25:58] <Aritodo> Robitron nice start, i think the thing that really misses for me is everything looks too smooth, you need some normal textures especially on the wood surfaces and the floor/rug
[03:26:10] <Robitron> I don't know about the crash saves. Never heard of them.
[03:26:39] <Aritodo> also you need to up the subdiv on the bed, some nice jaggies on the headboard :p
[03:26:56] <jaggz> Guest235, tired of ##electronics?
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[03:28:21] <jaggz> that's a really stiff blanket
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[03:28:39] <jaggz> that room looks really cool though
[03:28:53] <jaggz> obviously not photorealistic, if you're aiming to make it not seem computerish
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[03:29:46] <jaggz> if you are, let us know
[03:30:10] <Aritodo> if you are aiming for photorealism, some imperfections will help a LOT, like add a scratch on the wall near the shelf, add some wrinkles in the rug or blanket...
[03:30:30] <Robitron> so I need to up the displacement on the rug and floor. Wrinkle the blanket.
[03:30:46] <Robitron> I'm going for photorealism of a freshly remodeled room.
[03:30:59] <jaggz> wear marks.. AO.. bit of imperfections in the wall.. trophies are EXACTLY the same .. but ok.. other types of wear..
[03:31:02] <Robitron> So if the walls were just painted there wouldn't really be scratches, right?
[03:31:08] <jaggz> not sure what else.. i'm no expert at photoreal :)
[03:31:46] <jaggz> there might be a line where the plasterboard meets the other piece of plasterboard in the wall
[03:31:50] <Aritodo> also what i like to do for surfaces like walls is add a very mild slightly distorted noise either as color variation or normals, to make it less perfectly smooth
[03:32:00] <jaggz> or it might just be awesomely smooth .. can skip that for now I guess
[03:32:48] <jaggz> best thing is to probably look at images online of a remodeled bedroom :)
[03:33:25] <Aritodo> er, forgot to specify, a large noise texture
[03:34:59] <Robitron> Yeah, I was just thinking maybe a noise texture on the walls.
[03:35:12] <jaggz> https://www.homestratosphere.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/master-bedroom-with-horizontal-dresser.jpg
[03:35:36] <jaggz> new != perfect
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[03:36:34] <Robitron> nice pic but don't see much in the way of noise on the walls.
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[03:37:31] <jaggz> Robitron, Aritodo is addressing the walls making noises
[03:37:33] <stiv> easiest thing is to remodel an actual bedroom and use that as your model.
[03:39:10] <Robitron> stiv, true but where's the creativity in that? I mean, I know I don't have to "re-create the wheel" but I like to create my own items. If that makes sense. I did use an image on some of the stuff in there but obviously not all of it. :)
[03:39:50] <jaggz> too clean.. the nightstands are also odd being all one color
[03:40:15] <jaggz> I like that there are no fingerprints on anything cuz that's always an issue for me in my real photos ;)
[03:40:25] <jaggz> "but it's a matte surface!"
[03:40:52] <jaggz> make sure your blanky doesn't actually violate the physics of the nightstand
[03:40:57] <jaggz> but it looks nice..
[03:41:10] <jaggz> is that carpet thick? how's the nightstand not tilted?
[03:41:55] <Robitron> I moved the nightstand because I realized that in the image. lol
[03:41:58] <jaggz> how do those hanging curtain things.. how are they so perfect?
[03:42:39] <jaggz> why is the paint on the right back corner actually a bit textured?
[03:42:41] <jaggz> it looks nice
[03:42:44] <Robitron> umm, because I'm a perfectionist maybe? lol
[03:42:54] <jaggz> yeah.. no you can't.
[03:43:24] <Robitron> umm, that corner is denoised.
[03:43:47] <Robitron> Wow, a lot to consider!
[03:44:30] <Robitron> the carpet has a solidify modifier.
[03:46:59] <Robitron> Okay, I'll look into these tips then go again. Thanks for the input!
[03:48:19] <Robitron> I have them on a notepad now so I can refer to them.
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[04:50:43] <Robitron> Wow, to keep my comforter on the bed and pillows I had to change the friction on both the bed and pillows to 1000!
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[04:51:52] <Robitron> And change the vertex mass of the comforter to 3 oz.
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[06:32:16] <artao> HALP
[06:32:24] <artao> super simple render in Eevee
[06:32:40] <artao> a bunch of grid objects with wireframe modifier and emission shader
[06:32:42] <artao> no lights
[06:32:49] <artao> no shadows or reflections etc
[06:33:01] <artao> blender can play the animation in the viewport pretty much in real time
[06:33:10] <artao> but when i tell it to render, it takes like 7 seconds/frame
[06:33:13] <artao> that doesn't seem right
[06:33:18] <artao> what gives?
[06:33:35] <artao> i'd think it'd be more like 1 sec/frame
[06:33:50] <artao> old blender internal woulda rocked it out that fast. i assumed Eevee could too
[06:33:56] <artao> i MUST be doing something wrong, yes?
[06:34:51] <artao> i have render set at 32 samples
[06:34:57] <artao> 1920x1080
[06:37:36] <artao> version 2.80
[06:39:16] <stiv> you might try with 2.81a release
[06:39:43] <artao> yeah. of course
[06:42:22] <stiv> after that, I'd look at expensive things that might be turned on. shadows, AO, etc. not really an eevee guy
[06:44:07] <artao> i'm pretty sure i turned all that off
[06:44:11] <artao> i'm quite new to eevee myself
[06:44:52] * artao shrugs
[06:45:00] <artao> not a big deal really. just testing out a concept
[06:46:23] <artao> really, i SHOULD be in bed already lol
[06:46:39] <artao> but i was like, "hmm. lemme try this out real quick"
[06:46:53] <artao> knowing full well that in Blender Time, "real quick" ends up being 12 hrs
[06:46:54] <artao> lol
[06:47:00] <stiv> heh. we've all been there!
[06:47:50] <artao> Eevee is all GPU, yes?
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[06:48:14] <stiv> i would guess not, but don't really know
[06:48:20] <artao> fair nuf
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[06:49:07] <artao> at 7 sec/frame, this'll take 35 minutes
[06:49:13] <artao> 300 frames
[06:49:14] <stiv> no CPU/GPU choice when you choose Eevee render
[06:49:16] <artao> 24 fps
[06:49:22] <artao> nope, indeed not
[06:50:44] <artao> i just expected Eevee to be way faster than this on such a simple scene
[06:51:06] <artao> two planes, each with a particle system (the same particle system actually. duplicated plane)
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[06:51:23] <artao> such that the planes are emitting 4x4 wireframe grids with an emission shader
[06:51:25] <artao> super simple
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[06:51:36] <artao> 200 particles w/ 3 children each
[06:52:08] <artao> for motion graphics type stuff for my music videos
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[06:52:36] <stiv> sounds simple enough
[06:53:10] <artao> hmm ... perhaps i should apply the wireframe modifier
[06:53:34] <artao> could THAT slow things down?
[06:53:52] <artao> only 1 way to find out
[06:54:37] <artao> nope. no help
[06:54:40] <artao> oh well
[06:54:45] <artao> fraggit. off to bed
[06:55:30] <stiv> good luck!
[06:56:01] <artao> thx
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[07:42:49] <Aritodo> <jaggz> Robitron, Aritodo is addressing the walls making noises <-- LOL
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[09:24:23] <DSpider> so... I applied a normal map to a quad, and when I rotate the quad it doesn't look like it's being lit from a different side
[09:24:35] <DSpider> do I need to do anything else to it?
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[13:43:19] <jaggz> how do I deselect one object from my list of selected?
[13:44:25] <tablerice> I think it's SHIFT+CTRL click
[13:46:16] <jaggz> nupe
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[13:47:54] <tablerice> Oh, that's weird... SHIFT+click in the viewport deselects a single object, but not in the outliner...
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