August 28, 2012 
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August 28, 2012 NOTICE: This channel is no longer actively logged.
[03:55:09] *** The_8472 has quit IRC[04:16:41] *** bnmorgan has quit IRC[04:18:56] *** bnmorgan has joined #bittorrent[04:48:19] *** screwwdriver has joined #bittorrent[04:48:32] <screwwdriver> hey room, need a bit of help[04:49:01] <screwwdriver> i was actually wondering if there was a way i could get bumped up in the que of ppl receiving a torrent? or if there was a way to add trackers that no1 knows about[04:49:20] <screwwdriver> tryng to get this torrent but its going as slow as sh!t[04:55:31] <K`Tetch> you're very close to a hall of morons entry...[04:56:07] <K`Tetch> use optimum settings, and you'll go better, any attmept to try and game things will only make it worse[04:57:16] <screwwdriver> i dont undertsand, why is that a moronic question[04:58:12] <K`Tetch> you don't control what other peers choose to do[05:00:17] <screwwdriver> btw im using utorrent not bit-torrent, ive got port- forwarding setup and all of that[05:00:52] <screwwdriver> my top speed on this torrent with over 2500 seeders is, 0.2 kb/s[05:01:02] <K`Tetch> probably because you have bad settings[05:01:16] <screwwdriver> could there be an alternative way to get my file, say through dcc on some irc network[05:01:17] <K`Tetch> I'm guessing you've tried to increase the number of connections to make it go faster[05:02:09] <screwwdriver> i did try that yeh but doesnt seem to make a significant overall impact[05:02:18] *** cockdongle has joined #bittorrent[05:02:32] <cockdongle> ?[05:03:58] *** cockdongle has quit IRC[05:05:10] <screwwdriver> if theres literally nothing i can do to make things go a bit faster then 0.2 kb/s then just say it[05:05:55] <K`Tetch> you could optimise your settings[05:06:06] <K`Tetch> press CTRL+G and then select your upload speed[05:06:25] <screwwdriver> my upload speed?[05:06:31] <screwwdriver> im trying to download something tho[05:06:43] <K`Tetch> your settings are ALWAYS based on upload speed[05:06:54] <K`Tetch> because your upload speed affects your download[05:07:00] <K`Tetch> and you're uploading when you download[05:08:28] <TheSHAD0W> screwwdriver: BT transfer regulation doesn't go through the tracker at all, it's strictly between directly connected peers. Peers send data to peers that send them data.[05:09:17] <TheSHAD0W> That having been said, it does seem some ISPs are screwing with BT traffic again.[05:09:19] <screwwdriver> well notwithstanding that fact, my city, nor country is listed in the test mirrors[05:09:34] <screwwdriver> in terms of ISP im fine, not even worth considering[05:09:45] <screwwdriver> im with a really tolerant isp[05:10:06] <K`Tetch> what, iinet?[05:10:24] <screwwdriver> yeh? how did you know?[05:10:45] <K`Tetch> I know everything. Just accept that fact, and do what I say[05:13:13] <screwwdriver> http://i.imgur.com/riXBT.png[05:15:30] <TheSHAD0W> Try dropping upload speed to 400kbps.[05:15:58] <TheSHAD0W> You've pinholed 22722 through your NAT?[05:16:57] <screwwdriver> 222222[05:17:01] <screwwdriver> no 7[05:17:31] <screwwdriver> and yeh[05:17:45] <screwwdriver> is there a relationship between upload speed and download speed?[05:18:08] <screwwdriver> that may sound like a dumb question but most of the time ive never known a difference when im not uploading at all[05:18:37] <TheSHAD0W> You want to upload as much as you can without flooding your upstream.[05:19:07] <TheSHAD0W> Unless you have an excellent QoS handler, going too high on the upstream can flood out the TCP ACK packets and choke out your downstream.[05:19:12] <screwwdriver> see the problem is, my uploads are now counted towards my monthly quota[05:19:43] <TheSHAD0W> You can limit it further then, but you might not get full download.[05:20:53] <screwwdriver> ive noticed my torrents not going any faster, or does it take time, i.e. 10+ minutes to actually see it take affect?[05:22:54] <TheSHAD0W> It can take a few minutes, yes.[05:23:39] <screwwdriver> so just so i can get this clear once and for all in my head: my upload settings, DO have an affect on download speed?[05:24:12] <TheSHAD0W> Yes.[05:24:37] <screwwdriver> okay. that explains a lot.[05:24:43] <K`Tetch> clients upload in preference, to clients that upload to them[05:25:43] <screwwdriver> so i.o.w. i will get 'preferential treatment' as long as i upload[05:26:42] <screwwdriver> interesting, your theory was right, its already running faster: http://i.imgur.com/urGXI.png[05:30:47] <screwwdriver> now its going even FASTER.... http://i.imgur.com/y1mc7.png[05:41:30] *** MassaRoddel has quit IRC[05:41:37] <TheSHAD0W> Heh.[05:41:40] <TheSHAD0W> "Theory".[05:41:56] <TheSHAD0W> It's not a theory. That's how it was coded.[05:48:23] <screwwdriver> now my speed is waning off again:[05:48:28] <screwwdriver> http://i.imgur.com/4VWUL.png[05:51:42] <screwwdriver> woa explosion: http://i.imgur.com/VbwVo.png[05:53:07] <TheSHAD0W> That torrent has a relatively low percentage of seeds, you may not get decent speeds until that evens out.[05:53:44] <TheSHAD0W> Unless you've got very good upstream, you can't expect super performance in a new torrent.[05:55:21] <screwwdriver> by upstream do you mean, the rate at which im uploading?[05:55:33] <screwwdriver> could this say be rectified if i was plugged in on an ethernet cable directly to my router?[05:56:05] <screwwdriver> you were talking about packet loss before, isnt that more of an issue on wifi connections[05:56:19] <TheSHAD0W> Yes, and possibly, but probably not.[05:59:33] <screwwdriver> just had another insane speed explosion: http://i.imgur.com/OaLzd.png[06:00:03] <screwwdriver> its holding above 150 kb/s now :)[06:00:06] <screwwdriver> i shouldve come here sooner[06:00:59] <screwwdriver> learnt a valuable new thing today thats for sure.[06:01:12] *** `rafi_ has joined #bittorrent[06:06:47] <screwwdriver> alright, at this point, will increasing my maximum number of global connections and that stuff make a difference to anything[06:08:01] <TheSHAD0W> No, don't do that.[06:08:18] <screwwdriver> aight.[06:08:18] <TheSHAD0W> Too many connections increases overhead.[06:08:34] <screwwdriver> it actually changed it for me when i did that ctrl-G test you told me to do before[06:09:32] <screwwdriver> should i change it back to default[06:12:49] <screwwdriver> this is what it was changed too:[06:15:24] <screwwdriver> http://i.imgur.com/aV41J.png[06:36:37] *** andar has quit IRC[06:36:53] *** andar has joined #bittorrent[06:45:00] *** screwwdriver has quit IRC[06:55:03] *** ced117 has joined #bittorrent[06:55:03] *** ced117 has quit IRC[06:55:04] *** ced117 has joined #bittorrent[07:00:33] *** screwdriver has joined #bittorrent[07:00:56] <screwdriver> hey i duno if u answered my last question my connection dropped out before[07:11:03] *** DreadWingKnight has joined #bittorrent[07:11:37] *** DWKnight has quit IRC[07:19:26] *** MassaRoddel has joined #bittorrent[07:41:08] *** screwdriver has quit IRC[08:30:12] *** Sellyme has joined #bittorrent[09:51:49] *** zleslie has quit IRC[09:56:51] *** zleslie has joined #bittorrent[10:01:42] *** zleslie has quit IRC[10:23:04] *** screwwdriver has joined #bittorrent[10:23:54] <screwwdriver> is upload speed *directly* related to download speed[10:34:21] <screwwdriver> can someone download this file really fast and seed it just to me lol[10:38:45] *** screwwdriver has quit IRC[10:44:42] *** HAL_9001 has joined #bittorrent[10:44:43] *** HAL_9001 has joined #bittorrent[10:46:11] *** Samual has quit IRC[11:29:18] *** solarwinds has joined #bittorrent[11:33:36] *** solarwinds has quit IRC[12:19:46] *** zleslie has joined #bittorrent[12:35:23] *** Gottaname has quit IRC[12:35:53] *** Gottaname has joined #bittorrent[12:37:36] *** Gottaname has quit IRC[12:37:53] *** Gottaname has joined #bittorrent[13:54:14] *** Fenhl has joined #bittorrent[14:03:06] *** screwwdrivver has joined #bittorrent[14:15:07] <screwwdrivver> yo[15:11:03] *** DWKnight has joined #bittorrent[15:15:05] *** DreadWingKnight has quit IRC[15:57:45] *** Juze has quit IRC[15:59:10] *** Juze has joined #bittorrent[16:00:52] *** Juze has joined #bittorrent[16:04:29] *** Fenhl has quit IRC[16:09:19] *** Fenhl has joined #bittorrent[16:55:35] *** screwwdrivver has quit IRC[17:32:56] *** screwdriver has joined #bittorrent[17:35:42] <screwdriver> my question is a quick one[17:36:03] <screwdriver> in utorrent, the option where you can alternate the upload rate once the download has finished, if you put in 0, does that mean unlimited, or does that mean it will cease uploading[17:44:44] *** screwdriver has quit IRC[17:45:42] <DWKnight> it's called read the window[17:55:49] *** HAL_9001 is now known as Samual[19:10:16] *** `rafi_ has quit IRC[19:10:36] *** `rafi_ has joined #bittorrent[19:48:58] *** victrola` has quit IRC[19:49:37] *** solarwinds has joined #bittorrent[19:57:51] *** victrola` has joined #bittorrent[20:26:37] *** solarwinds has quit IRC[21:56:30] *** NirIzr has quit IRC[22:18:51] *** The_8472 has joined #bittorrent[22:43:19] *** K`Tetch has quit IRC[22:48:09] *** K`Tetch has joined #bittorrent[22:48:09] *** K`Tetch has joined #bittorrent[22:57:44] *** `rafi_ has quit IRC[23:02:10] *** Sellyme has quit IRC[23:03:12] *** Sellyme has joined #bittorrent[23:09:59] *** ced117 has quit IRC[23:17:30] *** K`Tetch_ has joined #bittorrent[23:20:30] *** K`Tetch has quit IRC