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[02:26:49] <Switeck> http://torrentfreak.com/utorrent-to-launch-paid-bittorrent-client-110715/#comment-253212600   "the future of downloading on Windows"
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[02:49:06] <DeHackEd> reserve a copy? hahaha
[02:50:14] <Switeck> the Emule/Edonkey way..."your download has been queued, it might start downloading in a day or more."
[02:50:36] <Switeck> You are currently position 1061 in the queue
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[02:56:27] <DeHackEd> ouch
[02:57:46] <DeHackEd> Actually I remember waiting "in line" for downloads from some sites. thank god those days are gone. it's bittorrent or akamai these days
[02:59:36] <Switeck> somewhat slow is better than a queue
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[03:01:20] <DeHackEd> now serving number.... .... three.
[03:03:13] <Switeck> rabidshare.com does it for their downloads
[03:03:35] <DeHackEd> what I'm thinking of is when gamespy was relevant
[03:03:39] <Switeck> they may not tell you your queue position, but do assign a delay between downloads
[03:04:38] <DeHackEd> but those file sharing sites... they just put the delay in to milk premium subscriptions off people. at the time gamespy downloads only queued during busy times (seemingly). during quiet times of the day it was immediate access, and on big release days it sucked
[03:05:07] <Switeck> patch days for MMOs sucks
[03:06:18] <DeHackEd> well, say what you want about sony but their content distribution is over CDNs like limelight and akamai. so it's always fast.
[03:06:46] <Switeck> which means they threw lots of 3rd party bandwidth at it
[03:07:30] <DeHackEd> no waiting, fast access, low latency. I dont' see a downside
[03:07:31] <DeHackEd> (for me)
[03:08:00] <Switeck> so even if Sony is secure...what if one of their patch servers gets hacked?
[03:08:26] <DeHackEd> patches are signed and encrypted. the OS won't install them.
[03:08:34] <DeHackEd> oh right. the key leaked
[03:08:50] <DeHackEd> I wonder if they actually fixed that in the new firmwares
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[03:31:51] <Switeck> fixed one thing often means break something else
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[05:58:52] <Switeck> Politicians might be more honest if "meet the press" meant something like this:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impressment
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[09:26:52] <bbear>  How can we use this low latency protocol under ktorrent ?
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[09:34:51] <bbear> hi
[09:35:22] <bbear> do you think it's absolutely mandatory to upload to achieve a 1:1 ratio if we want not the torrent to die ?
[09:35:34] <bbear> Let's take another example.
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[09:36:59] <bbear> Given n peers. Does everyone needs to have a 1:1 ratio for the file to be shared amongst all peers ?
[09:37:07] <bbear> Could it be less ?
[09:39:16] <bbear> Something is amazing.
[09:39:40] <bbear> My ADSL connection seems to show unstability when I make it compete with a bittorrent upload stream.
[09:42:09] <Switeck> it is probably better if you quit the torrent
[09:42:26] <Switeck> assuming there's already lots of seeds
[09:42:54] <Switeck> it is pretty much impossible for everyone to get a 1:1 ratio
[09:43:47] <Switeck> however on a low activity torrent if a peer leaves after becoming a seed...the previous seed might think it's ok to leave
[09:44:11] <Switeck> and Bittorrent causing ADSL instability may be due to much greater problems
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[10:53:39] <Guest51671> hello, is-it possible to run torrent to make a copy of files between different hosts ?
[10:54:03] <yano> Guest51671: what do you mean?
[10:57:30] <Guest51671> I want to transfert 8go on 3 or 4 hosts, and I want to know if it's possible to do that with torrent
[10:57:43] <Guest51671> (I'm french)
[10:57:47] <Switeck> yes
[10:57:50] <Switeck> I've done that
[10:57:54] <yano> well, yea create a torrent on the main host, and distribute it to the other computer
[10:58:12] <yano> torrents work on LANs very well
[10:58:27] <Switeck> assuming the BT clients used can handle the strain
[10:58:27] <Guest51671> is-it a tutoriel to do that ?
[10:58:37] <Switeck> there's a tutorial for how to make torrents
[10:58:45] <Switeck> that's the hard part
[10:59:54] <Guest51671> but to run torrent ON the host server ?
[11:00:12] <Switeck> isn't every seed a host server?
[11:00:22] <Switeck> (if using DHT)
[11:02:27] <Switeck> I've heard of someone trying to copy game mods to computers at a large LAN party using BitTorrent, however due to their setup and time constraints it wouldn't go well for them. (I didn't hear the actual results.)
[11:02:43] <Guest51671> yes but I would to say "host" like "web host" to host website (or data backup)
[11:02:59] <Switeck> seedboxes, web seeds?
[11:05:04] <Guest51671> maybe like seedboxes ^^
[11:05:15] <Guest51671> but free...
[11:05:41] <Switeck> Do you have control over the computers in question? It's immensely easier if you do!
[11:07:15] <Switeck> I've tried to do torrent copying with someone who's a bit of a computer newbie over the phone, and it's a real pain.
[11:07:29] <Guest51671> I think it's not for computers but to copy files between web host
[11:11:02] <Switeck> oh yeah...8 googol bytes will take awhile to copy
[11:47:38] <DWKnight> if there' just web hosts and not full servers, no
[11:47:42] <DWKnight> you can't torrent to exchange files between them
[11:48:47] <Guest51671> ok thank ^^
[11:51:49] <Guest51671> bye
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[13:03:55] <bbear> hello
[13:04:11] <bbear> is it absolutely mandatory to have a 1:1 ratio ?
[13:04:31] <bbear> If we don't have, the torrent is going to die ?
[13:04:44] <bbear> Does the cumulate ratio of all peers is equal the number of peers ?
[13:12:12] <DWKnight> because bittorrent is effectively a zero-sum game
[13:12:21] <DWKnight> no it's not mandatory to have a 1:1 ratio
[13:18:52] <bbear> DWKnight: you mean that the sum of ratios is about the number of peers ?
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[14:20:07] <DWKnight> for every byte downloaded by someone, another has to upload
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[20:50:37] <K`Tetch> ARGH, having so much trouble writing this presentation
[20:52:12] <K`Tetch> never done a 'powerpoint' presentaition before
[21:21:55] <The_8472> bullet points/text to let people follow. don't overload it with images.
[21:22:20] <The_8472> uh, and downsize the margins/font sizes. otherwise you can only fit like 4 points on a page.
[21:23:16] <The_8472> and add some global page styles (a light background gardient for coloring + some kind of logo or whatever)
[21:23:40] <The_8472> that's all I usually do (and by usually I mean once a year, tops)
[21:26:11] <K`Tetch> I'm 31 and never done one
[21:26:33] <K`Tetch> don't even know how to do a global page style
[21:26:47] <The_8472> uhh... page templates or something
[21:27:12] <The_8472> it's easy once you find the right menu point ^^
[21:27:32] <K`Tetch> I decided to record myself an audio outline of my talk, so I set my phone to record my voice. it beeped at me after an hour (the limit for one recording) and I was only upto 2006
[21:28:07] <The_8472> how much time to you have for your talk?
[21:28:17] <K`Tetch> 'an hour'
[21:28:25] <K`Tetch> can be stretched to 80 mins
[21:28:38] <The_8472> oh, btw. one can easily go through 15 slides in 20 minutes or so.
[21:28:48] <K`Tetch> it's suppsoed to be an hour, with 30 mins between it and the next one for people to move to between
[21:28:55] <K`Tetch> between any of the 40 tracks
[21:29:19] <The_8472> although one can use far less slides per minute too
[21:29:22] <K`Tetch> last year I used 2 sheets of A4 for notes, and prattled for 35 mins
[21:29:49] <K`Tetch> http://www.efforums.net/index.php/2011-tentative-schedule/20.html - 3rd one on there is this years
[21:30:09] <K`Tetch> http://www.efforums.net/index.php/2010-schedule.html second one there was last years
[21:31:12] <The_8472> well, the first thing you have to ask yourself: should someone be able to get all the main points of your talk from your powerpoint thingy without actually listening to the talk?
[21:32:46] <The_8472> or do you just need it to support particularly complex points
[21:33:13] <K`Tetch> bit of both, I guess
[21:33:38] <K`Tetch> I've done two slides so far, one's a cover page, the other is my 'qualifications'
[21:33:52] <K`Tetch> (torrentfreak researcher, former copyright enforcer, etc)
[21:34:22] <K`Tetch> but I guess I'm going to go with the latter
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[23:31:00] <mozZoo> in utorrent seed and peer 's coulmn .. there are two numbers one between to () abd the other one our of it? what these two numbers mean? for exp >>>>23(323)
[23:31:36] <DWKnight> connected to 23 of an ESTIMATED 323 possible
[23:31:42] <DWKnight> no connecting to more won't help your speeds
[23:34:01] <mozZoo> DWKnight: you mean there 323 seed (it's just estimated) but you are conected to 23 for sure!
[23:34:02] <mozZoo> ?
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[23:34:23] <DWKnight> yup
[23:46:20] <mozZoo> why people make a port forwarding in torrent? what does it do? I mean portforwarding in torrent?
[23:46:21] <K`Tetch> The_8472 - pm?
[23:46:33] <The_8472> mhm
[23:46:33] <K`Tetch> allows incoming connections
[23:48:02] <mozZoo> how can it help me if I forward it?
[23:48:25] <mozZoo> if i do that then what gonna happen?
[23:48:58] <The_8472> improved reachability = better downloading
[23:49:27] <K`Tetch> without it, you can make the initial connection to peers, they can't make the initial one to you
[23:52:15] <mozZoo> i have some torrents that while they have been downloading then suddenly they became to the RED color? what just happen to them?
[23:52:59] <DWKnight> tracker error usually
[23:53:08] <DWKnight> check the trackers tab with the offending torrents highlighted
[23:53:55] <mozZoo> then what i have to do?
[23:54:22] <DWKnight> read the status for the actual tracker and see if the error makes sense to google
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