July 28, 2011 
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joined #bittorrent[13:57:01] *** bbear has joined #bittorrent[13:57:05] <bbear> hello[14:10:07] *** medecau has joined #bittorrent[14:26:59] *** DreadWingKnight has joined #bittorrent[14:27:34] *** DWKnight has quit IRC[14:27:42] *** jch has joined #bittorrent[14:27:54] <jch> For all you µTP fans... http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=228e548e602061b08ee8e8966f567c12aa079682[14:28:37] *** BentMyWookie has quit IRC[14:29:52] *** DreadWingKnight has quit IRC[14:29:57] *** DWKnight has joined #bittorrent[14:38:34] *** DWKnight has quit IRC[14:38:39] *** DWKnight has joined #bittorrent[14:48:54] *** BentMyWookie has joined #bittorrent[15:18:01] *** DreadWingKnight has joined #bittorrent[15:18:01] *** DWKnight has quit IRC[15:19:24] *** DreadWingKnight has quit IRC[15:21:32] *** DWKnight has joined #bittorrent[15:49:44] *** jch has quit IRC[16:38:51] *** Guest4310 has joined #bittorrent[16:39:03] *** Guest4310 is now known as Kitsoran[17:24:17] *** Gottaname has quit IRC[17:31:07] *** NeutrinoPower has joined #bittorrent[17:31:33] *** jch has joined #bittorrent[17:32:53] <NeutrinoPower> hello, may someone look after my account "NeutrinoPower" why I cannot uploads torrents anymore?[17:34:41] <mpl> NeutrinoPower: I doubt here is the right place to ask that. but out of curiosity, upload where?[17:38:17] <NeutrinoPower> a, piratebay[17:39:41] <NeutrinoPower> maybe since one year it isn't possibl to upload a new torrent[17:41:13] <NeutrinoPower> and I want, that everybody can find my torrents[17:41:45] <jch> NeutrinoPower: we don't know.[17:42:04] <jch> This channel is for BitTorrent protocol discussions, not for the supporting infrastructure.[17:42:18] <jch> I'm sure you'll find a TPB support channel elsewhere.[17:55:12] <K`Tetch> it's #thepiratebay.org on efnet[17:56:17] *** Gottaname has joined #bittorrent[18:05:38] *** goussx has joined #bittorrent[18:25:14] *** goussx has quit IRC[18:38:44] *** NeutrinoPower has quit IRC[18:47:06] *** Guest89479 has quit IRC[18:52:46] *** NeutrinoPower has joined #bittorrent[18:53:31] *** hydri has joined #bittorrent[19:21:30] *** init0 has joined #bittorrent[19:28:59] <bbear> What would you answer to this problem[19:32:50] *** goussx has joined #bittorrent[19:34:58] *** goussx has quit IRC[19:35:15] *** goussx has joined #bittorrent[19:37:35] <MassaRoddel> 42[20:32:41] *** NeutrinoPower has quit IRC[20:37:29] <LiENUS> so any tips on detecting bittorrent traffic from my router to put it in the lowest priority queue?[20:42:36] <jch> LiENUS: no way to do that without cooperation from the client.[20:42:41] <jch> That's what protocol obfuscation is for.[20:43:34] <LiENUS> \[20:43:58] <LiENUS> jch, any way to get bittorrent to cooperate with mikrotik?[20:44:03] <LiENUS> or openwrt or dd[20:44:07] <LiENUS> maybe a upnp option? heh[20:44:12] <LiENUS> if upnp could do qos[20:44:26] <jch> What's your bittorrent client[20:44:39] <LiENUS> none right now[20:44:46] <LiENUS> last one i used was world of warcraft[20:44:58] <LiENUS> i'll probably end up just using the bittorrent client from the site[20:45:02] <jch> The simplest solution would be to fix the port used by BitTorrent, and dispatch on that.[20:45:20] <jch> If you use a modern bittorrent client, you can probably get it to set the TOS byte on the IP packets, that's the most reliable way.[20:45:30] <jch> LiENUS: what site?[20:45:44] <LiENUS> http://www.bittorrent.com/[20:45:50] <jch> No, don't use that one.[20:45:54] *** NeutrinoPower has joined #bittorrent[20:45:54] <LiENUS> dont?[20:46:00] <jch> Use utorrent.com, it's the same code base without the bloat.[20:46:09] <jch> (They belong to the same company.)[20:46:27] <LiENUS> so why have two clients from same people?[20:46:38] <jch> Ask their marketing department.[20:47:14] <LiENUS> isnt there a qos field in packets?[20:47:23] <LiENUS> or did you mean to say qos byte[20:47:29] <jch> Same thing.[20:47:40] <jch> It's a field that's one byte long.[20:47:50] <jch> Although I prefer to call it TOS, to avoid false advertising.[20:47:59] <jch> (There's no such thing as "Quality" in the Internet.)[20:48:08] <LiENUS> there is on my lan for the most part heh[20:48:14] <LiENUS> what happens when it leaves nobody knows[20:48:20] <LiENUS> but at least i can try to maintain some order[20:48:26] <LiENUS> so bittorrent doesnt take out runescape[20:49:06] <LiENUS> wait does bittorrent use tcp or udp for downloading?[20:51:03] <jch> Both.[20:51:19] *** ygrek has joined #bittorrent[20:51:24] <jch> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ΜTP[20:51:51] <bbear> "a peer has a file he wants to share amongst _n_ other peers. Everyone has a standard connection of x kB/s download and y kB/s upload. Is it possible to find a formula that gives the time it should take for everyone to have the file ?[20:52:06] <LiENUS> cos queueing tcp downlaods works queuing udp not so much[20:52:26] <jch> Don't worry -- µTP deals with that just fine.[20:53:02] <LiENUS> somehow i dont think mikrotik queueing will do anything with it[20:54:20] <jch> Mikrotik tend to be buggy, granted, but unless they're trying to be too smart, they should deal just fine with µTP.[20:54:50] <jch> (Or µTP should deal just fine with Mikrotik, which amounts to the same thing.)[20:55:17] <LiENUS> so if i want to put mtp in a queue that gets lower priority mikrotik will work?[20:55:30] <jch> (And before I get flamed -- they cannot be beat for the price.)[20:56:04] <LiENUS> which gear?[20:56:14] <jch> I spose so. Dunno, I haven't played with their firmware yet.[20:56:36] <LiENUS> my 750gl is on its way heh[20:57:25] <LiENUS> first mikrotik gearbefore that i had openwrt and ddwrt[20:57:27] <LiENUS> and ubiquiti gear[20:57:31] <LiENUS> airos 3.x and unifi[20:58:08] <jch> Yep, this kind of thing. Gigabit Ethernet, enough RAM, 24Kc SOC for less than a dinner for two.[20:58:49] <LiENUS> its just a board no enclosure[20:58:55] <LiENUS> but you seen the ubiquiti routerstation pro?[20:59:33] <LiENUS> 3 minipci cards double the ram, less flash but sd card usb port rs232/db9 port for a snails far more than the 750gl[21:04:03] <LiENUS> i dont see how mikrotik would have any effect on mtp[21:04:18] <LiENUS> its udp inbound data hows it going to queue it[21:06:56] <jch> Look, LiENUS, trust me.[21:07:00] <LiENUS> i understand its supposed to qos itself[21:07:09] <jch> (Never trust anybody who says "trust me".)[21:07:12] <jch> tos, not qos.[21:07:27] <LiENUS> but how is mtp going to know my gf is playing runescape and not to interfere with her bandwidth[21:09:51] <LiENUS> nut mtp isnt tcp its udp is it not?[21:10:10] <DWKnight> there are still mechanisms to detect congestion[21:10:21] <DWKnight> and it automatically scales back to play nice when it detects such[21:10:33] <LiENUS> yes but not as elegant as the router which knows when its congested[21:10:47] <DWKnight> you'd be surprised[21:13:14] <LiENUS> additionally[21:13:30] <LiENUS> hows it going to deal with congestion on so called powerboost[21:13:32] <LiENUS> not instantly...[21:14:23] <jch> LiENUS: it monitors the end-to-end delay, and will notice that your router is queuing its packets.[21:14:46] <jch> So just put the right queueing discipline in place, and it will do its magic.[21:15:23] <LiENUS> well theres an answer that works why didnt ya say that[21:25:01] *** jch has quit IRC[21:43:39] <LiENUS> erm if i did find a client that can set tos byte or qos byte, it aint going to do much good if others dont is it[21:46:51] <DWKnight> probably not, no[21:47:01] <DWKnight> and most likely not for incoming connections from such clients[21:47:16] <LiENUS> i'll just block all inbound traffic[21:47:22] *** The_8472 has joined #bittorrent[21:47:23] <LiENUS> and only let reply traffic on port 80![21:47:24] <LiENUS> brillant[21:48:16] <LiENUS> wish isps would just accept bittorrent so the clients didnt have to obfuscate :/[21:58:56] <DWKnight> if only[22:03:54] <LiENUS> so should i try and do bittorrent detection at layer 7 or just by ports?[22:24:16] *** jch has joined #bittorrent[22:24:31] *** NeutrinoPower has quit IRC[22:27:57] *** bbear has quit IRC[22:28:34] *** bbear has joined #bittorrent[22:38:18] *** NeutrinoPower has joined #bittorrent[22:41:46] *** bbear has quit IRC[22:42:18] *** bbear has joined #bittorrent[22:46:20] *** bbear has quit IRC[23:13:18] *** Guest89479 has joined #bittorrent[23:55:20] *** ygrek has quit IRC