July 21, 2011 
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[00:01:52] *** lmfb has quit IRC[00:02:46] *** The_8472 has quit IRC[00:03:32] *** goussx has quit IRC[00:04:11] *** niekie has quit IRC[00:04:11] *** agrajag has quit IRC[00:09:27] *** echelog has joined #bittorrent[00:09:27] -gibson.freenode.net- [freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp[00:09:32] *** lmfb has quit IRC[00:09:32] *** lmfb_ is now known as lmfb[00:09:32] *** goussx has quit IRC[00:09:33] *** niekie has quit IRC[00:09:33] *** agrajag has quit IRC[00:09:34] *** Samual has quit IRC[00:09:34] *** agrajag` is now known as agrajag[00:11:13] *** Samual has joined #bittorrent[00:16:37] *** BentMyWookie has joined #bittorrent[00:18:38] *** goussx has joined #bittorrent[00:31:06] *** jfactor has quit IRC[00:36:39] *** K`Tetch has joined #bittorrent[00:36:39] *** K`Tetch has joined #bittorrent[00:37:20] *** medecau has quit IRC[00:40:32] *** DeHackEd has joined #bittorrent[01:16:51] *** gde33 has quit IRC[01:33:07] *** BentMyWookie has quit IRC[01:37:39] *** BentMyWookie has joined #bittorrent[01:50:26] *** AdamK has joined #bittorrent[02:56:14] *** The_8472 has quit IRC[02:59:29] *** AdamK has quit IRC[03:02:47] *** Gottaname|Mobili has joined #bittorrent[03:05:34] *** Cyde has joined #bittorrent[03:06:13] <Cyde> Anyone have an idea of a common max .torrent tracker site upload size is?[03:06:23] <Cyde> I'm trying to deal with a 4.2 MB .torrent file right now and nothing is taking it.[03:06:40] <Cyde> The .torrent is that big not because the chunk size is small (it isn't!), just because there are so many individual files.[03:10:57] <K`Tetch> whats the piece size?[03:11:27] <Cyde> 4 MB[03:11:39] <Cyde> K`Tetch: The total number of pieces is 8000[03:11:45] <Cyde> Total torrent size around 36 GiB[03:22:28] *** jfactor has joined #bittorrent[03:29:56] <DeHackEd> sounds like someone's PHP upload limits are at the defaults (2 megs?)[03:29:59] <DeHackEd> or something like that[03:32:00] *** lmfb has quit IRC[03:35:37] <DeHackEd> who was I talking about a few weeks/months ago regarding the local tracker discovery protocol?[03:37:36] *** Cyde has quit IRC[03:38:41] *** swinokur has quit IRC[03:42:25] <DeHackEd> I need a DHT library... or spec...[03:43:56] <alus> ltdp doesn't use the dht[03:44:30] <alus> but if you still need one, I know the tranmission dht implementation is good[03:45:35] <DeHackEd> here's my view. the tracker discovery protocol is for calling up caches... but wouldn't it be a good idea if a local cache could join torrents on the fly? Pulling the .torrent from DHT or in an extreme case do a blind download/seed[03:46:27] <DeHackEd> well, not just for calling up caches but it sounds like too good an opportunity to pass up[03:48:29] <DeHackEd> am I crazy?[03:52:10] <DeHackEd> :([04:09:21] <DeHackEd> alus: does it include .torrent retrieval from the DHT?[04:10:57] <alus> ltdp is independent of .torrent retrieval[04:11:12] <alus> the peer metadata extension for transferring the .torrent is BT protocol extension[04:11:26] <alus> the DHT can be used to find peers, but there are other ways (tracker, PEX, LSD, etc)[04:13:14] *** Switeck has joined #bittorrent[04:13:16] <DeHackEd> right. my crazy idea is to have clients connect to my cache via a local ISP tracker (BEP 22), which would snag the .torrent from DHT (if available) and may start participating[04:13:31] *** Gallomimia has quit IRC[04:13:55] <DeHackEd> I don't see an ISP-local tracker being terribly useful by itself...[04:16:19] <DeHackEd> open to ideas..[04:16:50] <alus> the torrent is not in the DHT. the DHT helps you find peers[04:17:12] <DeHackEd> then how do magnet links work?[04:17:24] <DeHackEd> (I thought I could retrieve the .torrent, or something functionally equiv, via DHT)[04:17:25] <alus> [19:15] <alus> the peer metadata extension for transferring the .torrent is BT protocol extension[04:17:40] <alus> you can request the torrent from any peer you are connected to[04:17:49] <alus> if they support the protocol extension of course[04:17:56] <DeHackEd> oh ok...[04:18:34] <DeHackEd> now I feel like an idiot for not reading the documents[04:20:51] <DeHackEd> okay. dig into the source of transmission and I think I can work with this...[04:44:25] <DeHackEd> unsatisfied deps on system... :/[04:47:15] <alus> wow. transmission has deps?[04:48:08] <DeHackEd> libevent2 (centos only ships 1.x) is what I'm running into[04:53:41] <DeHackEd> building. I'll load it up tomorrow...[05:05:43] <alus> libeventually[05:06:19] *** goussx has quit IRC[05:09:14] *** Gallomimia has joined #bittorrent[05:18:03] *** goussx has joined #bittorrent[05:19:23] *** pyroscope has quit IRC[05:36:02] *** swinokur has joined #bittorrent[05:58:22] *** hydri has quit IRC[06:18:41] *** multi-d has joined #bittorrent[06:22:06] *** jfactor has quit IRC[06:30:55] *** MassaRoddel has quit IRC[06:54:43] *** goussx has quit IRC[07:04:57] *** MassaRoddel has joined #bittorrent[07:26:14] *** pyroscope has joined #bittorrent[07:34:45] *** goussx has joined #bittorrent[08:20:49] *** hydri has joined #bittorrent[08:22:22] *** stalled has joined #bittorrent[08:33:44] *** Kitsoran has quit IRC[08:37:11] *** medecau has joined #bittorrent[08:41:13] *** stalled has quit IRC[08:42:54] *** multi-d has quit IRC[08:54:43] *** stalled has joined #bittorrent[08:56:34] *** Switeck has quit IRC[10:11:53] *** goussx has quit IRC[10:49:41] *** goussx has joined #bittorrent[11:04:27] *** tris has quit IRC[11:05:45] *** tris has joined #bittorrent[11:44:44] <DeHackEd> meh. I can make my own bittorrent client from scratch. only the DHT stuff is new to me[11:51:52] *** hydri_ has joined #bittorrent[11:51:52] *** hydri has quit IRC[11:51:53] *** hydri_ is now known as hydri[12:01:54] *** Firon has quit IRC[12:02:15] *** andar has quit IRC[12:02:42] *** Gottaname|Mobili has quit IRC[12:03:46] *** Firon has joined #bittorrent[12:03:47] *** andar has joined #bittorrent[12:09:15] *** hydri has quit IRC[12:31:49] *** init0_ has quit IRC[12:33:27] *** init0 has joined #bittorrent[13:13:22] *** DeHackEd has quit IRC[13:13:31] *** DeHackEd has joined #bittorrent[13:13:37] *** DHE has joined #bittorrent[13:19:07] *** DHE has quit IRC[13:26:31] *** niekie has joined #bittorrent[13:26:57] *** niekie_ has quit IRC[15:25:01] *** jfactor has joined #bittorrent[16:32:17] *** jfactor has quit IRC[16:33:53] *** Gottaname has joined #bittorrent[17:10:02] *** Gottaname1 has joined #bittorrent[17:11:26] *** Gottaname has quit IRC[17:30:48] *** medecau has quit IRC[17:45:52] *** goussx has quit IRC[17:53:56] *** goussx has joined #bittorrent[17:54:36] *** jfactor has joined #bittorrent[18:47:20] *** hydri has joined #bittorrent[18:52:45] *** Kitsoran has joined #bittorrent[18:53:11] *** Kitsoran is now known as Guest74662[18:54:30] *** hydri has quit IRC[18:56:14] *** hydri has joined #bittorrent[19:18:48] *** vDubG__Gone is now known as vDubG[19:43:15] *** aristidesfl has joined #bittorrent[19:43:31] <aristidesfl> hey, what's the client for linux?[19:43:58] *** hydri has quit IRC[19:47:54] *** Guest74662 has quit IRC[20:06:54] <mpl> aristidesfl: which one? there ar several.[20:07:07] <mpl> aristidesfl: rtorrent, transmission, azureus...[20:15:17] *** medecau has joined #bittorrent[20:16:40] <alus> even utorrent-server[20:17:07] *** The_8472 has joined #bittorrent[20:20:22] <aristidesfl> mpl: the best :)[20:20:42] <aristidesfl> alus: it utorrent usable yet?[20:21:09] <alus> aristidesfl: yes?[20:21:22] <aristidesfl> alus: is utorrent usable yet?[20:21:29] <alus> aristidesfl: yes?[20:21:36] <aristidesfl> alus: are you using?[20:21:43] <alus> I don't use linux[20:21:58] <aristidesfl> alus: how do you know it's usable then[20:22:40] <alus> aristidesfl: I tried it one time. it worked. also I know the developers, so if you find a bug I can tell them about it[20:23:10] <aristidesfl> not convinced[20:23:16] <alus> do you know of a bug?[20:23:44] <aristidesfl> alus: no, but Ive reasons to believe there are a few[20:23:48] <alus> why?[20:23:55] <aristidesfl> it's in alpha[20:24:07] <alus> that word does not mean there are bugs[20:24:18] <alus> just like removing it does not mean there are not any[20:24:21] <The_8472> aristidesfl: TIAS[20:24:33] <aristidesfl> The_8472: hu[20:24:45] <The_8472> try it and see (for yourself)[20:24:52] <aristidesfl> alus: it doesn't mean, but it indicates[20:25:25] <alus> aristidesfl: I could probably get them to call it beta if you would prefer[20:25:35] <aristidesfl> I think I'm going for rtorrent[20:25:40] <alus> boo[20:26:09] <alus> rtorrent has no uTP support[20:26:32] <alus> or magnet support, I think[20:27:06] <aristidesfl> alus: uTP? is that uTorrent specific?[20:27:26] <alus> aristidesfl: no. many clients support it these days. libtorrent (deluge), Azureus, Transmission[20:27:47] <aristidesfl> rTorrent uses libtorrent[20:27:54] <alus> no, it uses libTorrent[20:27:57] <alus> they're different[20:28:36] <alus> rasterbar libtorrent support uTP, rtorrent's libTorrent does not[20:28:52] <aristidesfl> interesting[20:28:57] <aristidesfl> so rtorrent discarded[20:29:20] <The_8472> all this time spent argueing you could have spent testing clients.[20:29:55] <aristidesfl> The_8472: installing updates on the server[20:30:17] <The_8472> open another console and get rolling[20:30:23] <The_8472> or try it on your desktop[20:30:24] <The_8472> or ...[20:30:30] <aristidesfl> The_8472: besides.. alus just saved me a lot of trouble installing and configuring rtorrent[20:31:10] <The_8472> which you only would have installed because you would have refused to test µT based on principle instead of facts.[20:31:20] <mpl> no uTP is not the end of the world though. never used it, faring well.[20:31:43] <alus> no bittorrent is not the end of the world either :P[20:32:01] <mpl> well, a bit closer to the end of my wold ;)[20:32:04] <The_8472> not being able to breathe is not the end of the world either[20:32:15] <aristidesfl> uTP isn't supposed to speed up trasnfers?[20:32:48] <aristidesfl> The_8472: uTorrent has nothing special[20:32:48] <The_8472> no[20:32:53] <alus> it's not about speed. it's about making your network usable for other things without sacrificing speed[20:33:07] <The_8472> it's about being unobstrusive[20:33:40] <aristidesfl> I clearly don't know what uTP is[20:34:20] <aristidesfl> I thought it was related with the increase of speed between people both using utorrent[20:35:47] <aristidesfl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libtorrent currently has an incomplete implementation of µTP in a development branch.[20:36:09] <aristidesfl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_(BitTorrent_client) implements µTP since version 2.30[20:36:40] <aristidesfl> ok let's fucking try uTorrent to make The_8472 happy[20:37:20] <The_8472> try several clients, see which you like and stick with it.[20:37:22] <alus> hahah I never thought I'd see anyone say that[20:37:48] <aristidesfl> The_8472: not worth the trouble[20:38:26] <The_8472> you take the first pair of shoes that the clerk suggests to you or do you try on several?[20:38:29] <aristidesfl> I don't use torrents that much[20:38:46] <The_8472> ah well... then just pick any client[20:38:58] <The_8472> they all work, more or less.[20:40:02] <mpl> I don't try on another one if the first one he suggests fits :)[20:40:03] <aristidesfl> it's already compiled..[20:41:04] <alus> I pick a style I like and try on every size until one fits, and leave the store if they don't[20:41:24] <alus> shoes are not like bittorrent clients[20:41:42] <aristidesfl> http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=83506[20:42:03] <aristidesfl> alus: that indicates the amount of trouble[20:42:14] <alus> aristidesfl: what does?[20:42:20] <aristidesfl> http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=83506[20:42:26] <aristidesfl> read[20:42:28] <alus> aristidesfl: what about that[20:42:40] <The_8472> >1 year old thread[20:42:43] <The_8472> only 15 pages[20:43:19] <aristidesfl> http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?pid=596516#p596516[20:44:40] <alus> aristidesfl: your metrics seem to be not based on the actual product[20:44:47] <aristidesfl> sure[20:45:01] <The_8472> again, you're trying to find issues by some kind of meta-analysis instead of simply trying out software.[20:47:47] <jordan> aristidesfl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BitTorrent_clients[20:47:57] *** jfactor has quit IRC[20:48:32] <The_8472> the ever growing pile of tables :)[20:50:33] <aristidesfl> jordan: thanks[21:07:20] <pyroscope> rT has automation, fuck uTP :P[21:07:58] <alus> automation?[21:08:10] <alus> uT has a remote control interface too[21:08:22] <pyroscope> the absence of manual labor[21:08:27] <aristidesfl> Can't talk to uTorrent client. Try http://192.168.0.122/# the page.[21:08:33] <alus> anyway I don't see how automation removes the need for uTP[21:08:55] <pyroscope> it doesn't remove it, it trumps it, at least on my machines[21:09:17] <alus> you don't share your network with any web traffic?[21:11:40] <pyroscope> not a problem here[21:12:08] <alus> why not?[21:39:52] *** goussx has quit IRC[22:01:43] *** goussx has joined #bittorrent[22:06:48] *** aristidesfl has quit IRC[22:11:30] *** thermal is now known as thermal_[22:11:39] *** thermal_ is now known as thermal[22:19:00] *** medecau has quit IRC[23:19:53] *** Gallomimia has quit IRC[23:20:27] *** Gallomimia has joined #bittorrent[23:35:28] *** hydri has joined #bittorrent[23:51:05] *** hydri has quit IRC