July 12, 2011 
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#bittorrent[02:25:27] <TheSHAD0W> http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/07/11/1531259/DOJ-We-Can-Force-You-To-Decrypt-That-Laptop[02:25:45] <Gallomimia> hmm...[02:26:30] <Gallomimia> how troubling...[02:30:22] <The_8472> but.... i forgot the password?[02:30:30] <Gallomimia> yeah.... :)[02:30:50] <K`Tetch> similar to RIPA in the UK then[02:31:13] <K`Tetch> except failing to disclose the password in the UK carries a 2 year sentence, 5 years if it's a child porn or terrorism case[02:31:16] <The_8472> sorry... i cannot possibly KNOW that password because it was generated by software and only stored in ram[02:31:21] <Gallomimia> see this just means you should code your laptop so if you enter a special password it conceals certain things from view but reveals a plethora of seemingly legitimate files that you don't actually use[02:31:27] <The_8472> when you seized my computer and were stupid enough to turn it off you deleted it![02:31:39] <The_8472> now prove me wrong[02:31:58] <The_8472> Gallomimia, hidden partitions in truecrypt do that[02:32:15] <Gallomimia> i read about it[02:32:20] <Gallomimia> in a book of fiction[02:32:35] <Gallomimia> Little Brother by Cory Doctorow[02:32:41] <Gallomimia> good stuff. read it at craphound.com[02:32:48] <Gallomimia> no need to steal his books. they're free[02:35:05] *** _AdamK_ has quit IRC[02:43:45] *** traviscj has quit IRC[02:44:13] *** _AdamK_ has joined #bittorrent[02:54:50] *** _AdamK_ has quit IRC[03:14:10] *** _AdamK_ has joined #bittorrent[03:16:15] *** traviscj has joined #bittorrent[03:26:09] *** goussx has quit IRC[03:44:00] *** goussx has joined #bittorrent[03:57:05] *** jfactor has quit IRC[04:00:02] *** The_8472 has quit IRC[04:04:27] *** The_8472 has joined #bittorrent[04:18:09] *** _AdamK_ has quit IRC[04:21:34] *** btcod has joined #bittorrent[04:22:47] <btcod> dear all, please, how does tft work if 2 peers A and B are exchanging data among themeselves in 2 separate swarms?[04:23:25] <btcod> in this case, is BT oblivious to the fact that the peers are members of two swarms?[04:24:05] <The_8472> yes[04:24:06] <btcod> more generally: how do peers split their bandwidth across the swarms?[04:24:22] <The_8472> up to the implementation. usually equally among upload slots[04:24:54] <btcod> so, if a peer has 4 upload slots, and is a member of a number of swarms, it will pick the best 4 neighbors across the swarms?[04:26:50] <btcod> (i.e., the mechanism of neighbor selection works at the granularity of bytes, ignoring the notion of swarms?)[04:31:42] <The_8472> again: up to the implementation[04:32:06] <DeHackEd> tft?[04:32:10] <The_8472> tit for tat[04:32:23] <DeHackEd> ah right[04:33:38] <The_8472> btcod, unchoking is only defined for the context of one torrent. how to run multiple torrents at once is not specified.[04:39:17] *** Switeck has quit IRC[04:40:00] <btcod> i see[04:40:51] <btcod> but are you aware of solutions currently being adopted?[04:41:10] <The_8472> the solutions mostly consist of manage it separately for each torrent[04:41:21] <The_8472> and split bandwidth among torrents[04:41:28] <btcod> i see[04:41:47] <btcod> are you aware of any that takes an integrated approach across all torrents?[04:42:06] <The_8472> it has been proposed many times and never deemed useful[04:42:22] <btcod> i see[04:42:33] <The_8472> the only real issue is that if you run too many torrents at once you spread your bandwidth too thin[04:42:43] <The_8472> but no amount of management can prevent that, since available bandwidth is finite[04:42:43] <btcod> yes[04:43:05] *** Switeck has joined #bittorrent[04:43:28] <btcod> do you know * any * client that considers the integrated approach?[04:43:54] *** Switeck has quit IRC[04:44:29] <The_8472> if you consider dynamically adjusting the number of active torrents as "integrated approach", then yes... several clients do that[04:44:44] <The_8472> otherwise... no.[04:45:06] <The_8472> ah... miro maybe. with their bartercast stuff. not sure if that's swarmbased or global[04:45:20] <The_8472> err, tribler, not miro[04:45:38] <The_8472> but they're doing lots of things differently[04:46:16] <btcod> i was thinking simply in terms of peers selecting their neighbors based on the contributions of the neighbors, independently of which swarms the neighbors are[04:47:00] <The_8472> the likelyhood of two peers running the same two torrents at once and also being connected to each other is an edge case[04:48:29] <btcod> that is questionable[04:48:50] <btcod> and in some cases, such connections might be induced[04:48:52] <The_8472> oh yeah? just two torrents with 10k peers each and check how much overlap you have[04:49:31] <The_8472> tft is done in realtime. it has no memory[04:49:50] <The_8472> so the peers would have to be on the same torrent *at the same time*[04:50:29] <btcod> if a peer A is in one of these swarms w/ 10k peers contributes to peer B, that is also in swarm S' (and A is also interested in S'), peer B might contribute to A w/ both the original content and with content of S'[04:50:35] <The_8472> if both are seeding on torrent A and both are downloading on torrent B then there is no need to take torrent A into account[04:50:51] <The_8472> no[04:51:08] <The_8472> they first would have to know that they're in both swarms.[04:51:17] <The_8472> because you only see a small subset of all available peers[04:51:25] <btcod> right[04:51:32] <btcod> i see[04:51:56] <The_8472> i'm not saying it's impossible for it to happen[04:52:01] <btcod> yeah, i'm assuming that they learned about their presence in both swarms[04:52:03] <The_8472> especially on smaller torrents of related content it might[04:52:15] <btcod> yes, that's the scenario i was thinking about[04:52:28] <The_8472> but those would benefit from bundling too[04:52:39] <btcod> right ;)[05:04:08] *** The_8472 has quit IRC[05:34:27] *** Gallomimia has quit IRC[05:35:01] *** K`Tetch has quit IRC[05:37:22] *** K`Tetch has joined #bittorrent[05:40:18] *** Gallomimia 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#bittorrent[21:09:56] *** Kitsoran is now known as Guest10808[21:14:13] *** The_8472 has joined #bittorrent[22:07:43] *** `rafi_ has joined #bittorrent[22:15:02] *** `rafi_ has quit IRC[23:11:48] *** dumont- is now known as dumont[23:13:12] *** jfactor has quit IRC[23:16:30] *** HarryS has quit IRC[23:18:26] *** medecau has quit IRC[23:19:38] <TheSHAD0W> http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2011/07/the-irony-of-video-piracy.html[23:34:00] *** MassaRoddel has quit IRC[23:38:51] <The_8472> old news!