June 15, 2010 
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[00:10:07] *** [diablo] has quit IRC[00:33:35] *** `rafi1_ has quit IRC[00:33:48] *** `rafi_ has joined #bittorrent[00:56:47] <K`Tetch> I'm hoping to do a 'look' at the different iniital seed cores this week. anyone interested in being a swarm peer?[00:59:02] <K`Tetch> I'll be setting up a swarm, have maybe a dozen or so peers on it, 50Mb file, and then I start off a client. Then do some timing, Then, y'all wipe and repeat[01:00:27] <K`Tetch> if anyone's interested, email me when you'll be available wed-fri (and the timezone) ktetch at gmail dot com, along with your linespeed[01:08:58] *** ajaya has quit IRC[01:16:14] *** Andrius has quit IRC[01:16:19] *** `rafi_ has quit IRC[02:25:08] *** ^jamie^ has joined #bittorrent[02:29:59] *** ^jamie^ has quit IRC[02:50:42] *** snaxsy has joined #bittorrent[02:51:48] <snaxsy> can anyone point me to a source of info about peer flags?[02:56:43] <K`Tetch> peer flags?[02:59:58] <snaxsy> um, yeah, like i see a letter ... and then optionally another couple.... i'm unsing uTorrent[03:00:13] <snaxsy> and it's under the peer tab. it says Flags[03:00:18] <K`Tetch> have youtried F1[03:00:35] <snaxsy> um[03:00:55] <K`Tetch> The help file[03:01:05] <K`Tetch> Appendix A, detailed, peers[03:01:34] <K`Tetch> Appendix A, main window, detailed, peers[03:01:36] <snaxsy> right. looking now. didn't really cross my mind that there would be a manual (and such a good one from the looks of it)...[03:01:37] <snaxsy> thanks[03:02:50] <snaxsy> now i gotta check if azureus has a manual. that would be wild.[03:02:56] <snaxsy> well, have a good one. thanks agian.[03:02:59] *** snaxsy has left #bittorrent[03:03:55] <K`Tetch> *shakes head*[03:05:22] <Nolar> kinda http://wiki.vuze.com/w/User_Guide[03:14:10] <The_8472> woot, up to 1k torrents / 10 minutes indexed.[03:14:25] <The_8472> i think i'm beating any normal torrent indexer with that ^^[03:15:55] *** init0 has quit IRC[03:17:52] *** init0 has joined #bittorrent[03:24:02] <The_8472> http://www.boingboing.net/2010/06/14/music-industry-lobby.html[04:02:34] *** The_8472 has quit IRC[04:07:00] *** The_8472 has joined #bittorrent[05:09:42] *** `rafi_ has joined #bittorrent[05:14:29] *** goussx has quit IRC[05:49:20] *** edigaryev has joined #bittorrent[05:55:28] <The_8472> this is odd... i never realized that the neighbor set in the natural ordering of keys in kademlia is not exactly the same as the closest set relative to a specific. but it's almost the same.[05:55:36] <The_8472> *specific key[06:00:59] *** gregg has joined #bittorrent[06:02:01] *** gregg has left #bittorrent[07:02:03] *** MassaRoddel has quit IRC[07:18:20] *** MassaRoddel has joined #bittorrent[07:22:50] *** goussx has joined #bittorrent[07:41:31] *** Kitsoran has quit IRC[07:51:30] *** K`Tetch has quit IRC[07:55:48] *** K`Tetch has joined #bittorrent[07:55:48] *** K`Tetch has joined #bittorrent[08:23:52] *** Andrius has joined #bittorrent[08:52:52] *** Andrius has quit IRC[08:56:02] *** Andrius has joined #bittorrent[10:17:50] <mpl> woah at the boingboing link.[10:18:54] <mpl> after all it's true, pirates used to be hung to the mast, weren't they? ;)[11:40:19] *** goussx has quit IRC[12:19:45] *** Andrius has quit IRC[12:57:17] *** K`Tetch has quit IRC[13:20:24] *** Andrius has joined #bittorrent[14:10:10] *** Andrius has quit IRC[14:20:53] *** [diablo] has joined #bittorrent[14:35:47] *** [diablo] has quit IRC[14:40:43] *** Andrius has joined #bittorrent[16:04:10] *** ProperNoun has quit IRC[16:34:06] *** ProperNoun has joined #bittorrent[16:57:09] *** `rafi_ is now known as rafi_[16:57:48] *** rafi_ is now known as rafi__[17:49:17] <burris> The_8472, "i never realized that the neighbor set..." <- from the bucket partitioning?[18:01:07] *** Andrius[] has joined #bittorrent[18:01:35] *** Andrius has quit IRC[18:01:35] *** DeHackEd has quit IRC[18:03:59] *** DeHackEd has joined #bittorrent[18:08:25] *** goussx has joined #bittorrent[18:17:02] *** e-manuel has joined #bittorrent[18:17:14] *** edigaryev has quit IRC[18:27:12] *** edigaryev has joined #bittorrent[18:30:11] *** e-manuel has quit IRC[18:46:19] *** ajaya has joined #bittorrent[18:49:26] *** ari-_-e has quit IRC[18:59:08] *** Kitsoran has joined #bittorrent[19:04:38] *** ari-_-e has joined #bittorrent[19:07:36] *** e-manuel has joined #bittorrent[19:07:45] *** edigaryev has quit IRC[19:16:24] *** DreadWingKnight has joined #bittorrent[19:18:02] *** e-manuel has quit IRC[19:19:24] *** DWKnight has quit IRC[19:29:20] *** edigaryev has joined #bittorrent[19:36:05] *** ari-_-e has quit IRC[19:50:54] *** ari-_-e has joined #bittorrent[19:53:14] *** jonasl has joined #bittorrent[19:58:42] *** ProperN[out] has joined #bittorrent[19:58:49] *** ProperN[out] has quit IRC[19:58:49] *** ProperN[out] has joined #bittorrent[19:58:58] *** ProperNoun has quit IRC[19:59:52] *** ProperN[out] is now known as ProperNoun[20:02:16] *** ygrek has joined #bittorrent[21:06:00] <ari-_-e> I'm looking at the latest source for TBDev, and it looks like it doesn't use the completed event to signal seeder status... is that wrong? (see http://tbdevnet.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tbdevnet/trunk/TB/announce.php?view=markup)[21:06:23] <ari-_-e> it does use left=0 however[21:11:19] <DreadWingKnight> pretty sure you're not supposed to use left=0 unless you have 100% of all pieces[21:11:26] <DreadWingKnight> so I don't think that it's wrong[21:11:47] <DreadWingKnight> especially since the completed event is normally used to signal the changeover from downloader to seed[21:12:07] <DreadWingKnight> and not for someone who joins the swarm with 100% of the pieces done already[21:13:10] <ari-_-e> DreadWingKnight: I said it DOESN'T use the completed event[21:13:23] <DreadWingKnight> so?[21:13:46] <DreadWingKnight> reseeding peers who have 100% of the pieces don't either[21:13:58] <ari-_-e> right...[21:16:20] <ari-_-e> DreadWingKnight: I'm confused, you're saying that the completed event is for signaling the change (which I know), but that left=0 is exclusively for when someone has the whole torrent?[21:16:48] <ari-_-e> so in other words there's no way for a client which has part of the torrent but is no longer downloading to say so?[21:17:01] <ari-_-e> and joined in this state?[21:17:05] <DreadWingKnight> pretty sure there isn't[21:18:03] <DreadWingKnight> selective downloading was never intended for widespread use when multiple-file torrents were originally implemented[21:18:10] <DreadWingKnight> resuming was the preferred method of handling it[21:18:20] <DreadWingKnight> (for some people/sites, it still is)[21:18:50] <ari-_-e> I asked yesterday and a couple people seemed to agree that left=0 is an established convention...[21:18:51] <ari-_-e> ah well[21:20:20] <ari-_-e> DreadWingKnight: what is resuming? I don't believe I'm familiar with this concept[21:20:32] <DreadWingKnight> using existing files to fill in the blanks[21:20:48] <DreadWingKnight> probably most commonly seen in episodic video content torrents[21:26:27] *** edigaryev has quit IRC[21:29:31] <DreadWingKnight> any file of sufficient size obtained at an earlier time can be used to reduce the amount you need to download from such a batch[21:29:47] <DreadWingKnight> provided it does match the contents of the corresponding file in the torrent[21:33:49] <The_8472> <burris> The_8472, "i never realized that the neighbor set..." <- from the bucket partitioning? <- no, a flat list containing nodes in their natural order[21:34:15] <The_8472> i use that for a cache[21:38:06] <ari-_-e> DreadWingKnight: so for example if someone downloaded an individual episode earlier and then decides to start downloading a collection, they start out with one of the episodes already downloaded?[21:43:12] <The_8472> the bucketized list obviously doesn't represent a closest-set for arbitrary keys except your own key[21:43:51] <DreadWingKnight> they can, yes[21:43:58] <DreadWingKnight> [4:30:44pm] <DreadWingKnight> provided it does match the contents of the corresponding file in the torrent <--[22:08:35] *** goussx has quit IRC[22:08:38] *** goussx has joined #bittorrent[22:11:00] *** MassaRoddel has quit IRC[22:23:52] *** MassaRoddel has joined #bittorrent[22:31:46] *** The_Schmidt has joined #bittorrent[22:32:26] <The_Schmidt> hi all[22:32:34] <The_Schmidt> just had a brilliant idea[22:33:18] <The_Schmidt> a server script that converts a html link to a torrent and starts seeding[22:34:08] <The_Schmidt> tho, i wouldn't know how to write it[22:34:56] <The_Schmidt> or does this already exist?[22:35:28] <The_Schmidt> I already did a search and came up zero[22:36:19] <alus> The_Schmidt: it has been written many times[22:36:39] <The_Schmidt> u have a link?[22:36:41] <alus> no[22:36:59] <The_Schmidt> darn[22:40:09] <The_Schmidt> u remember the name or anything?[22:46:44] <The_8472> <The_Schmidt> a server script that converts a html link to a torrent and starts seeding <- that's a 2-liner...[22:47:07] <DeHackEd> I count 3... but still[22:47:41] <The_Schmidt> is there a server that runs that publicly?[22:48:20] *** rafi__ has quit IRC[22:48:28] <The_8472> i doubt that[22:50:44] <The_Schmidt> k, but wouldn't that be a neat hack to drive a lot of traffic to a new site?[22:51:08] <The_Schmidt> 'torrent drop', drop your link here and grab a torrent of it?[22:51:59] <The_8472> no, if you already have a link you could just download it directly...[22:53:20] <alus> The_Schmidt: http://www.bittorrent.com/dna?csrc=splash[22:53:24] <The_8472> in fact... if the server supports range-queries you could just make a torrent with a http seed[22:53:25] <The_Schmidt> not that it matters, i just didnt' want to run it locally. I have a torrent web interface running at home and didn't want to d/l this using borrowed bandwidth[22:53:54] <The_Schmidt> o.0[22:54:06] <alus> that takes a url, uses the url as a web seed, makes a torrent, and gives you a client which will start that torrent automatically[22:54:16] <The_Schmidt> sweet[22:54:17] <The_Schmidt> thx[22:55:57] <The_8472> "and gives you a client which will start that torrent automatically"[22:56:07] <The_8472> violating rule #1 of surfing right there[22:56:56] <The_8472> don't download an executable that purports to provide you with some non-executeable content[22:57:14] <alus> I'm sorry where are these rules[22:57:28] <alus> and it says "Create Downloader"[22:57:37] <alus> so it doesn't purport to be non-executable[22:58:18] <alus> it even says ".exe" in the default grey text there[22:58:30] <The_8472> yeah, but let's say you want to watch a movie and the site says "open / save movie.exe" ... it's usually fishy[22:58:49] <The_8472> of course, you know that if you create the downloader[22:59:28] <The_8472> but if you create such a downloader and then offer it on your website for joe random... that will look fishy[23:00:09] <The_Schmidt> k, well I not dl-ing movies here, just wanted the latest opensource project that is only hosted via http[23:00:19] <alus> if you're trying to use DNA for movies, you probably want to use the streaming video API[23:01:32] <The_Schmidt> doesn't vuze have something like that built in?[23:02:04] <The_8472> sortof, yeah[23:03:55] <The_Schmidt> k, well i already used wget and is installing already, lol[23:04:38] <The_Schmidt> so, didn't even get a chance to use it before my dl complete[23:06:24] *** ygrek has quit IRC[23:20:34] *** Andrius[] has quit IRC[23:31:58] *** The_Schmidt has left #bittorrent