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[00:40:25] <on3pk> Right so, honest question, I've used Angular 1.x, what advantages does Angular >2 bring? All I'm seeing so far is that angular >2 needs node.js
[00:52:26] <zomg> fwiw pretty much any modern js stack needs nodejs
[00:53:18] <BlinkyBill> on3pk, as someone who only delved into new angular recently from v1, no contest. Typescript and no more scope is a major win. Honestly, the development experience is so much better.
[00:53:44] <BlinkyBill> I've got some lagacy stuff in v1, and every time I have to work with it, I go *Aughhhh* ;)
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[00:54:45] <BlinkyBill> Oh, plus webpack as the default build tool is awesome if you're not already drinking that coolaid
[00:55:03] <on3pk> Does it require node on the backend or can it export html/js and stuff to be used on a LAMP stack?
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[01:06:14] <BlinkyBill> It only needs node for the development process. It packages it all up for deployment sans node.
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[01:18:55] <on3pk> oh cool
[01:19:13] <on3pk> Well might as well bite the bullet, I guess
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[01:23:49] <BlinkyBill> My best advice is to forget the specifics of how angular does things, as it's fairly different in the new version. Trying to work out how to do the old things in angular -new will just cause frustration.
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[01:24:06] <BlinkyBill> coffee time
[01:26:16] <Guest4086> wtf is almond milk
[01:26:48] <Guest4086> almonds r dry as fuk
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[01:29:11] <BlinkyBill> Because goats, cows and coconuts are silky smooth over your tongue?
[01:29:17] <BlinkyBill> ;)
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[08:19:18] <icebox> hey folks
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[08:45:51] <Elarcis> Yoo
[08:48:01] <icebox> Elarcis: hey
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[08:52:14] <Elarcis> icebox: \o/
[08:52:24] <Elarcis> icebox: how is my favorite grumpy italian?
[08:53:01] <icebox> :P
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[09:01:57] <icebox> OT: Elegant patterns in modern JavaScript: RORO - https://www.codementor.io/billsourour897/elegant-patterns-in-modern-javascript-roro-hn217atuu interesting the pipe approach
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[09:07:57] <zomg> eeh...
[09:08:17] <zomg> object params to make params more clear, sure
[09:08:28] <zomg> but returning useless values just so you can maybe sometimes chain the functions?
[09:08:31] <zomg> no thanks
[09:08:57] <zomg> makes things real ripe for mutability issues when values get passed around willy nilly
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[09:09:59] <zomg> unless the function is specifically some kind of "passthrough" thing... it should only take parameters that it needs, and it should only return values relevant to its behavior
[09:10:26] <icebox> zomg: that is the sense I understood... I would call it "local" pipe
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[09:11:09] <zomg> yeah but the way he uses it in the example requires that the functions within the pipe pass through values unrelated to the function's own behavior
[09:11:42] <icebox> I suppose that was for educational purpose... just to show the general approach
[09:11:45] <zomg> this seems like a typical symptom of "hey I was learning functional programming and saw this cool pattern"
[09:11:55] <zomg> which is definitely something I've seen people do
[09:12:29] <icebox> zomg: agreed
[09:13:19] <zomg> the idea of piping is good I think but beyond that I'm not sure I would make my functions behave in unusual ways with their return values
[09:14:20] <icebox> zomg: in my use cases I don't use a pipe approach... no need? no idea :)
[09:16:51] <Pyrrhus666> morning #angularjs
[09:17:21] <Elarcis> I’ve seen the "return an object rather than a plain value" argument before, mainly to handle more cases while avoiding exceptions. It sure sounds fine, but seems a bit tedious to both put in place and exploit.
[09:17:50] <zomg> returning objects can make sense
[09:17:58] <Elarcis> zomg: sure it does
[09:18:02] <zomg> but I wouldn't go out of my way to return objects "just because"
[09:18:51] <zomg> I think for situations where values need to be passed around between functions, it's fairly easy to just have a wrapper in that particular spot
[09:19:04] <zomg> instead of making the function doing the logic itself behave in an odd way for that purpose
[09:19:31] <SargoDarya> Morning Elarcis icebox Pyrrhus666 zomg and rest of the freaking channel o/
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[09:20:22] <Elarcis> Hello, freaking Sargo!
[09:20:27] <Pyrrhus666> morning SargoDarya
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[09:21:25] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: sorry, these days when I see your nick I think of Nicolas Sarkozy, french politician
[09:22:14] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: Nicolas Sargozy
[09:26:43] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: sorry, cracks me up.
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[09:27:50] <SargoDarya> Really Elarcis? Really?
[09:28:38] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: YEAH? SUE ME.
[09:30:27] <icebox> Pyrrhus666, SargoDarya: hey
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[09:38:42] <icebox> any diff between FF beta devtools and FF Developer Tools? confused? me too :)
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[09:40:04] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, haven´t noticed any difference since the 59 series... not confused in any way :)
[09:40:10] <icebox> apart a few details, I think there are not any diff after 59
[09:40:20] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: ok :)
[09:40:53] <Pyrrhus666> I must admit though that I mostly just use the console, network monitor and inspector
[09:40:54] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: the point is... why maintaining a whole branch? :)
[09:41:29] <Pyrrhus666> you mean there´s a separate branch for just the devtools ?
[09:41:57] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: yep... the so called Firefox Developer Edition
[09:42:23] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: ok... there are a few more features (related to android debug and something else)... but still
[09:42:37] <Pyrrhus666> ah, yes that weird thing. tried it once, didn´t feel it was useful for me.
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[09:52:17] <ray02> hello hello good moring to all
[09:52:27] <Pyrrhus666> morning ray02
[09:52:54] <ray02> how r you?
[09:54:34] <Pyrrhus666> still waiting for the world to end ;)
[09:55:19] <ray02> i'm looking forward for it
[09:55:45] <ray02> i think we have done enought :)
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[10:00:47] <Elarcis> I always despised this point of view. It’s a bit easy to do our shit then declare "oh well, we were terrible anyway, time for it to end" without taking any responsibility. Confession isn’t redemption.
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[10:01:15] <Elarcis> Ironically, it’s exactly throwing our hands in the air "welp, nothing we can do" that makes us unworthy of the world we live in
[10:03:28] <icebox> ray02: hey
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[10:04:27] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, I´ve done my bit for 20 years, still doing it too. _and_ waiting for the world to end.
[10:04:33] <ray02> Elarcis beh is more honesty
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[10:05:05] <ray02> and a fact
[10:05:20] <Pyrrhus666> OT, related : http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/03/the-paris-climate-accords-are-starting-to-look-like-fantasy.html
[10:05:50] <icebox> ray02: I suppose they mean it is not the only step (the confession) you need to accomplish for the redemption
[10:07:52] <Elarcis> On the bright side, world CO₂ emissions have been shown to slowly stabilize mainly thanks to Europe and China’s efforts, hopefully leading to either long term stabilization or even a drop.
[10:08:24] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, after a couple of years of hope, it just rose again in 2017
[10:08:49] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: I didn’t see those numbers
[10:11:34] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: most recent I can find is 2016
[10:12:02] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, it´s ´just´ energy related, nbut still : https://www.reuters.com/article/us-energy-carbon-iea/global-carbon-emissions-hit-record-high-in-2017-idUSKBN1GY0RB
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[10:17:43] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: my main fear isn’t China, it’s other countries that have yet to have teir demographic transition.
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[10:20:06] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, my main fear isn´t anything humans can prevent : immense methane emissions by thawing of permafrost and unstable methane clathrate on the the ocean floors.
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[10:21:18] <Pyrrhus666> also a further reduction of planetary albedo by reduction of glaciers and polar ice
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[10:22:01] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: heh, all "tipping point" scenarios
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[10:23:59] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, yup. and imho we are either too close to prevent or already passed it
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[10:25:42] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: one more reason to limit the damage even more and prepare ourselves for the storm :P
[10:26:02] <Pyrrhus666> nah, just waiting for the apocalypse now :P
[10:27:10] <ray02> i'm with you Pyrrhus666
[10:29:38] <Pyrrhus666> not flying to new york weekly and burning extra coal the help it though. still doing my thing, I can´t be 100% sure we´re doomed.
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[10:46:07] <metrixx> hi.
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[10:46:32] <metrixx> i am trying to make a website via angular and i use spring boot at backend
[10:46:46] <metrixx> their urls are different and host on different servers
[10:47:22] <metrixx> after i got token for authorization, how can i send this token on next requests as header via angular?
[10:47:55] <Pyrrhus666> metrixx, you need a http interceptor.
[10:48:07] <metrixx> hmm
[10:48:32] <Pyrrhus666> metrixx, https://angular.io/guide/http#intercepting-requests-and-responses
[10:48:56] <Pyrrhus666> with that, you can inject the header on each request automatically
[10:49:07] <metrixx> Pyrrhus666, thank you so much
[10:49:22] <Pyrrhus666> metrixx, you´re welcome
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[10:55:49] <icebox> metrixx: hope this helps http://www.devglan.com/spring-security/angular-jwt-authentication it seems close to your use case
[10:55:58] <icebox> and it is a recent post
[10:56:43] <metrixx> icebox, thank you :)
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[11:14:44] <icebox> OT: Pro tip: do your homework before replying to computing legends - https://twitter.com/MIT_CSAIL/status/978282425712181248 :)
[11:17:01] <Pyrrhus666> brilliant :_
[11:17:13] <ray02> ahah
[11:19:54] <icebox> OT: about game theory... http://ncase.me/trust/
[11:20:34] <ray02> ah fantastic stuff
[11:20:40] <ray02> i have play ed it a lot
[11:20:51] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, a classic :)
[11:21:27] <ray02> make feel what i do daily a stupid thing
[11:21:27] <icebox> :P
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[11:27:27] <ray02> :)
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[11:43:01] <Booster2ooo> I've got something weird with a component's input: https://pastebin.com/gucx1zyx
[11:43:33] <Booster2ooo> In a parent component, I input a array of key value pair names options to a child component dropdown
[11:44:42] <Booster2ooo> but when I breakpoint in the setter of the dropdown options, the value of the argument is "options" ...
[11:44:47] <SargoDarya> icebox: Know that one already, it's great
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[11:47:09] <icebox> Booster2ooo: any stackblitz reproducing it?
[11:47:40] <icebox> Booster2ooo: if it is weird for you, imagine how much it is alien for us :)
[11:47:48] <Booster2ooo> indeed ;)
[11:48:57] <icebox> Booster2ooo: I think that depends on KeyValuePair code
[11:51:14] <icebox> Booster2ooo: debug it and fix the code accordingly
[11:55:58] <Booster2ooo> https://stackblitz.com/edit/angular-bdnv8i
[11:57:39] <Booster2ooo> icebox, I don't see anything in KVP that's so strange ...
[12:00:10] <Pyrrhus666> Booster2ooo, <app-dropdown [options]="options"></app-dropdown>
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[12:00:51] <Booster2ooo> xD
[12:00:54] <Booster2ooo> thanks Pyrrhus666
[12:01:04] <Pyrrhus666> np ;)
[12:01:10] <Booster2ooo> I was already refactoring KVP
[12:01:28] <Pyrrhus666> I made that mistake a lot in the early days.
[12:02:15] <Booster2ooo> oh, it works x)
[12:03:48] <Pyrrhus666> but of course ;)
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[12:38:16] <benjick> Hello. We're using @angular/router, is there a way to render a route without the router? e.g. I just wanna render another route in a route
[12:40:27] <benjick> Preferably from a string input
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[12:51:00] <SargoDarya> benjick: Just use the component?
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[12:54:45] <benjick> SargoDarya: Sadly I don't have the component, long story
[12:55:25] <benjick> We have a project that is split into many teams and every team doesn't have the other teams components
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[13:28:38] <icebox> back
[13:29:15] <icebox> benjick: yes, you can but it is an hack
[13:30:24] <benjick> icebox: Any key words I can google?
[13:30:41] <icebox> benjick: routing is a state machine... implement your state container, update the state and use conditional partials in the template
[13:31:54] <icebox> benjick: nothing to google... you need to know what is the routing and act accordingly with custom code
[13:33:05] <icebox> benjick: basically one (or many) *ngIf="showMyView" based on your state container
[13:33:39] <icebox> benjick: no routing? no components? good luck :)
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[13:34:10] <icebox> it is like setting the clock ten years ago... a la jquery
[13:34:30] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, in short : no routed components ? good luck :)
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[13:34:34] <benjick> Sounds super ugly
[13:34:45] <icebox> benjick: yes, it is... but you asked it :)
[13:34:46] <benjick> I just wanna resolve "/bla/foo" to a component
[13:35:17] <riotz> hälp.. my app stopped working on my mobile devices.. how do i go about debuggin that now?
[13:35:25] <Pyrrhus666> so add a route to the routing table
[13:35:43] <Pyrrhus666> riotz, remote debugging is a thing on both android and ios
[13:35:45] <icebox> riotz: any browser has a decent remote debugging
[13:35:59] <benjick> Pyrrhus666: But then I'd have to navigate there
[13:36:09] <benjick> And I can't
[13:36:23] <Pyrrhus666> benjick, you can always call router->navigateTo()
[13:36:41] <Pyrrhus666> even without altering the url bar, if need be. but again : ugly af...
[13:36:45] <icebox> benjick: I think you are confusing app (or client) routing with server routing... they are different
[13:36:57] <benjick> this is just client side
[13:37:23] <benjick> But I wanna render another route inside a div basically, based on a string; e.g. "/foo/bar"
[13:37:31] <icebox> benjick: exactly :P
[13:37:44] <benjick> currently we're working around this by loading the whole again in an iframe but it sucks
[13:37:49] <benjick> whole site*
[13:37:51] <Pyrrhus666> benjick, so a secondary route in another outlet ?
[13:38:00] <icebox> benjick: I am afraid it would be worthy reading again routing docs
[13:38:06] <Pyrrhus666> again : do it with the router :)
[13:38:22] <icebox> benjick: just to get hints
[13:38:25] <benjick> another outlet wont solve my problem because i need the primary routes
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[13:38:40] <benjick> icebox: i've read the guide on angular.io just now
[13:39:12] <icebox> benjick: ok... but better something dedicated to the router
[13:39:39] <icebox> benjick: like https://leanpub.com/router/
[13:39:56] <Pyrrhus666> other than the team-thing I´m not seeing a problem with using the primary routing table. and the team-thing cannot be an excuse to work around the router, imho...
[13:40:50] <icebox> benjick: and generally speaking I feel you try to avoid routing because you don't know it in-depth... but maybe I am wrong
[13:41:21] <benjick> so every team (or sub-application) has their own routes
[13:41:30] <benjick> and when we build the app they are all made into the same app
[13:41:53] <benjick> so that's why I wanna resolve by string
[13:42:24] <benjick> but i'll go read some sourcecode, see how they resolve it from the url
[13:42:37] <Elarcis> "OK Google. Two series, one legend. NO, I am NOT looking for some hardcore plotting porn!"
[13:42:52] <icebox> Elarcis: :P
[13:43:02] <Pyrrhus666> benjick, if every team has a lazy loaded module with their own routing, there should not be any problem, I guess ?
[13:43:28] <icebox> benjick: you know your requirements and it seems you know the solution... why asking for help? :)
[13:43:32] <Pyrrhus666> benjick, otherwise, the project´s organizational chart needs a reshuffle :)
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[13:44:23] <benjick> icebox: I don't know the solution, that's why I'm asking
[13:44:35] <benjick> "how do I resolve a component given a URL string?"
[13:44:53] <icebox> benjick: well... we proposed at least three suggestions... and you rejected them :)
[13:45:08] * Pyrrhus666 hands icebox some fresh popcorn
[13:45:15] <icebox> :P
[13:45:39] <benjick> Me rejecting them does not mean I know the answer
[13:45:57] <icebox> benjick: that is better question w.r.t. "is there a way to render a route without the router?" :)
[13:46:09] <icebox> benjick: no idea without looking the code
[13:46:23] <Pyrrhus666> benjick, here´s a solution : use a wildcard route to a component, and have a big if-then-else game in that component based on the the route´s snapshot ;)
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[13:46:43] <Pyrrhus666> guaranteed to work.
[13:46:47] <benjick> what is "wrt"?
[13:46:57] <icebox> w.r.t === with respect to
[13:46:59] <icebox> math term
[13:47:07] <benjick> ah, thanks
[13:48:37] <Elarcis> icebox: I got mocked by my colleagues because I use "weird english acronyms no one knows"
[13:48:38] <Elarcis> T_T
[13:49:22] <Pyrrhus666> what does T_T mean ?
[13:49:30] <benjick> it's a face
[13:49:30] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: gtfo
[13:49:32] <Pyrrhus666> stop using that weird shit :P
[13:50:22] <SargoDarya> I think I might finally look into view.
[13:50:25] <SargoDarya> vue
[13:50:28] <SargoDarya> Dayum
[13:50:42] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: Nice
[13:50:51] <Pyrrhus666> nice :)
[13:50:52] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: I documented myself a bit on it, it all seems very cool
[13:51:03] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: though I still don’t have any project to use it for :P
[13:51:22] <SargoDarya> Me neither but well, never bad to know stuff.
[13:51:31] <icebox> in six months all the channel will be migrated to vue :)
[13:51:35] <SargoDarya> Just stumbled over this gem:
[13:51:40] <SargoDarya> Fool me once, fuck you.
[13:51:44] <Elarcis> haha
[13:51:45] <SargoDarya> Fool me {{ngCurrentVersion}} times, fuck me.
[13:51:57] <Elarcis> hahaha
[13:52:52] <Pyrrhus666> nice one :)
[13:53:01] <icebox> :P
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[13:54:42] <Elarcis> I seem to remember a "Kill me once, shame on you, kill me twice… well you can’t kill someone twice."
[13:54:54] <Elarcis> Might have been on Dirk Gently
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[14:00:44] <gecko19> Hello All...forgive me for my newbie questions...I am trying to create a user management portal using Angular and MondoDB : http://arthurkao.github.io/angular-drywall/
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[14:01:01] <icebox> gecko19: hye... cool
[14:01:10] <gecko19> Does this portal allow changing of the views so that
[14:01:32] <gecko19> I can add custom views to admins to look at users etc...
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[14:02:16] <gecko19> I have some JS background, as in I am c++ developer who works on chromium including the JS parts/bindings.
[14:02:36] <metrixx> what is angular heroes and dashboard terms?
[14:03:05] <gecko19> so thought I should ask the bigger angularjs fraternity about what could be wrong with my idea on reusing this : http://arthurkao.github.io/angular-drywall/
[14:03:06] <metrixx> just an example app names?
[14:03:48] <Pyrrhus666> metrixx, they are parts of the sample app used throughout the angular docs, and explained in the tutorial
[14:04:09] <Pyrrhus666> metrixx, if you do (or at least read) the tutorial, it will all make sense
[14:05:19] <icebox> gecko19: it seems ok
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[14:05:48] <metrixx> Pyrrhus666, thank you. I am about to read but i couldn't wait to ask :)
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[14:06:23] <gecko19> Thanks icebox
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[14:06:47] <icebox> gecko19: when you are in stuck, we are here :P
[14:06:54] <gecko19> icebox: Thanks
[14:07:05] <gecko19> This is what I love about opensource
[14:08:05] <gecko19> Any other easier frameworks I could use?
[14:08:12] <gecko19> using Angluar and Mongo?
[14:08:34] <gecko19> I just want to build an idea of options out there...
[14:08:52] <iateadonut> SargoDarya, you should put that on thawdit.com (a site i just made using angularjs)
[14:10:08] <Pyrrhus666> gecko19, are you sure about using angularjs ? it´s kinda old now...
[14:10:10] <SargoDarya> iateadonut: UI could be improved a bit. Make the thought or statement larger.
[14:10:51] <Pyrrhus666> gecko19, you could take a look at vuejs https://vuejs.org/
[14:11:42] <gecko19> Pyrrhus666: I am all ears
[14:12:58] <Pyrrhus666> gecko19, main choices atm are react, angular (not angularjs) and vuejs. there are of course lots more, but these are generally the most used.
[14:13:45] <Pyrrhus666> from my viewpoint, vuejs is by far the easiest. angular is cool, but big and intimidating, react I don´t use.
[14:14:21] <Pyrrhus666> for some nice vuejs stuff, browse this https://github.com/vuejs/awesome-vue
[14:14:28] <icebox> gecko19: I second Pyrrhus666's suggestion... also for learning purpose I would suggest to start from vuejs
[14:15:10] <gecko19> Thanks Guys, but in the bigger scope the system would be interfaced with an guest recognition system
[14:15:27] <icebox> gecko19: angular is very comfortable when you work in team on large code base
[14:15:38] <gecko19> so I would need some sort of bare metal node/angular connectivity
[14:15:59] <gecko19> to interface with the user recognition blocks
[14:16:03] <gecko19> makes sense?
[14:16:06] <iateadonut> SargoDarya, thanks, did you have a px size in mind?
[14:16:06] <icebox> gecko19: no
[14:16:39] <icebox> gecko19: that would be more a client/server application... not a web spa one :)
[14:16:43] <Pyrrhus666> gecko19, sounds like communication between client and backend. all stuff is backend-agnostic.
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[14:17:06] <icebox> gecko19: maybe you are looking for electron.js? :)
[14:17:15] <gecko19> icebox, Pyrrhus666 : The reason I chose Angular was to provide a webview which can be shown on iOS and Android
[14:17:20] <icebox> gecko19: https://electronjs.org/
[14:17:41] <icebox> gecko19: that solution may be very suited to your background
[14:17:45] <Pyrrhus666> gecko19, as in a webapp/webview, or native app ?
[14:17:47] <gecko19> icebox: Yes , I know the electron project
[14:17:57] <gecko19> webview/webapp is what I am looking for
[14:18:01] <icebox> ok
[14:18:24] <icebox> I vote against, sorry... I am always for native apps... I know this is very opinionated :)
[14:18:33] <Pyrrhus666> gecko19, just to be clear : so it would run in a browser on mobile ?
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[14:18:53] <gecko19> the IMage recognition bit is this : a user is monitored on entry into the premises, the DB(mongo?) holds copies of the users photos and the user is matched on entry
[14:19:18] <SargoDarya> iateadonut: Not really. I'd probably do the styling a whole lot different anyway. I mean, it is a thought, why not display it as one?
[14:19:27] <iateadonut> SargoDarya, thanks. i put it up to 20px but you'll have to reload because i'm not really compiling correctly
[14:19:28] <gecko19> The angular side would just present to the end admin when a user entered
[14:19:32] <icebox> gecko19: facial recognition? :)
[14:19:39] <iateadonut> sargodarya, right.
[14:19:50] <gecko19> icebox: yes, I didnt want to mix up domains.
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[14:20:22] <iateadonut> sargodarya, thanks so much for the suggestions.
[14:20:38] <gecko19> I am a C++ dev myself and love bare metal, but as a programmer looking to have maximum mileage for my work, I always look out for a build-once,reuse-many approach
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[14:20:59] <SargoDarya> iateadonut: Most welcome, I love giving suggestions. Meanwhile, I'm still stuck on designing my own website...
[14:21:08] <iateadonut> what's the url?
[14:21:16] <SargoDarya> None yet. Still in design phase
[14:21:23] <benjick> After reading everything, my route problem would be solved if I could provide a router-outlet target in run-time, but it seems I have to define that per route, not per navigation
[14:21:40] <iateadonut> do you like thawdit.com or thawtit.com better?
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[14:21:53] <benjick> don't get "tit" in your url
[14:22:01] <iateadonut> that's what i was thinking too.
[14:22:13] <iateadonut> only problem is that it sounds more like it in my head.
[14:22:19] <icebox> benjick: so... are you looking for dynamic routes?
[14:22:27] <Pyrrhus666> esp. since thaw is also a word :)
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[14:23:06] <SargoDarya> iateadonut: I'd personally be careful with thawtid as that's very very close to thawte.
[14:23:11] <icebox> iateadonut: thaw.it
[14:23:43] <Pyrrhus666> more like thawt.it
[14:23:54] <icebox> yep... typo
[14:23:58] <benjick> icebox: I don't think so, because then I would have to have access to the component
[14:24:31] <iateadonut> thawdit.com it is, then.
[14:24:47] <benjick> hurry and buy it now
[14:24:53] <Pyrrhus666> too late
[14:24:57] <icebox> benjick: so do you mean to modify the template adding a router-outlet?
[14:25:21] <icebox> benjick: no idea if that works
[14:25:46] <benjick> I don't think it does
[14:25:50] <gecko19> Pyrrhus666,icebox : Any angular2-4/mongo based projects which I could use as a good starting point?
[14:26:04] <benjick> Like routes are tied to router-outlets, I want to tie a "navigation" to a router-outlet
[14:26:15] <benjick> not sure how to explain
[14:26:23] <Elarcis> gecko19: Isn’t MongoDB a back-end tech?
[14:27:08] <icebox> gecko19: basically you can convert this to angular(js)... https://jsfiddle.net/ismaelc/fgq7L/
[14:27:22] <benjick> router.navigateByUrl('/foo/bar', { outlet: 'myNewOutlet' }); like this would be what I want
[14:28:06] <icebox> gecko19: angular is backend agnostic
[14:28:37] <icebox> gecko19: I think you may find more mongo+node projects
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[14:28:53] <Elarcis> gecko19: I think any sample that uses the back-end language you’d like to use would be Ok… Node? C#? PHP, Python?
[14:29:13] <Elarcis> Oh, i miss C# so much.
[14:30:16] <icebox> gecko19: what is your main concern?
[14:30:43] <gecko19> icebox: I am just trying to get a feel of what I might be overseeing.
[14:31:17] <gecko19> icebox: I learnt that Angular is out of date, I do need a webview/webui for the web/android/ios
[14:31:26] <Elarcis> gecko19: I’m afraid you’re going to spend much more time looking for an example than trying it for yourself honestly
[14:31:50] <icebox> gecko19: (angularjs is 1.x in maintainance mode, angular is 2.x or higher)
[14:32:54] <gecko19> Elarcis: Thanks... so you would think I would be up to speed maybe in a week if I just started using the angular plugins and mongo?
[14:33:08] <Elarcis> gecko19: as we said, any front-end framework is OK with any back-end framework, both communicate via HTTP requests so you can mix them at will. I suggest looking at an Angular sample project (like TodoMVC), looking at a MongoDB sample, and see how you could use both
[14:33:24] <Elarcis> gecko19: Angular plugins?
[14:33:50] <gecko19> Elarcis: Thanks for this...
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[14:34:23] <Elarcis> gecko19: oh, in a week you can do lots of things :P depending on your previous experience with front-end, one week is definitely enough to follow some tutorials, setup a basis for your project and start prototyping :)
[14:34:35] <icebox> gecko19: maybe you are looking for server side rendering... https://sebastian-holstein.de/post/angular-hacker-news-pwa/
[14:34:40] <gecko19> All I wanted was this brain storm and I can see that I have a clearer understanding of what I want
[14:35:21] <icebox> gecko19: here you find a comparison betwee different frameworks https://hnpwa.com/
[14:36:20] <Elarcis> gecko19: Angular is more involved but provides many useful APIs for some advanced problems. VueJS and React are way lighter and "quick code" friendly, but they lack some mechanisms such as dependancy injection and the like
[14:36:51] <Elarcis> gecko19: I second icebox, hnpwa is cool to get an idea of what you’d prefer to be working with
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[14:40:09] <gecko19> Elarcis: I think the dependency injection bit is what is probably needed when an admin clicks on a tab for filtering(for eg : list of male guests) and then view would update with a list of male attendees , instead of redrawing the whole page
[14:41:08] <Elarcis> gecko19: not really related, DI is very distincly decoupled from the rendering process
[14:41:12] <Elarcis> gecko19: (obviously)
[14:42:31] <Elarcis> gecko19: most frameworks now have an abstraction of the DOM to help avoid redrawing the whole page, in terms of performances, unless you’re speaking of badly optimized 10000 elements lists, you don’t really notice the difference.
[14:42:46] <gecko19> Elarcis: Thanks for that
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[14:43:27] <gecko19> I though dependency injection was the bit which add a specific ng-tag, so that angular could go an populate that bit as needed.
[14:43:41] <gecko19> which I felt was done instead of building a specific page
[14:45:43] <gecko19> Elarcis: Sorry I know I could be feeding through some misinformed understanding and you are probably banging your head on the table
[14:46:43] <gecko19> Elarcis: I work in the UK, though I work on C++ , I am looking to move into the Angular/Node/DB side soon...
[14:46:56] <gecko19> so was hoping this project would be a good stepping stone....
[14:48:44] <Elarcis> gecko19: dependancy injection is the mean through which you ask for a HttpClient in your component’s constructor, and get something that matches what you asked, without having to handle how the client is fetched/build.
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[14:49:34] <Elarcis> gecko19: it’s a bit like asking your mate "can you pass me some salt please?" and getting a salt container, be it a shaker, box or cup. You just care about the salt, not the way it is provided.
[14:50:32] <Elarcis> gecko19: I think you’re mistaking it with Angular’s template system. Basically any HTML in Angular is a template that is compiled, and Angular looks for key terms in the template to decide where to put which component.
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[14:51:47] <Elarcis> gecko19: it’s ok, we get far more annoying people here usually :P
[14:52:24] <Elarcis> gecko19: "why is my project not working? No I can’t show you code, no I can’t tell you more details, why aren’t you helping me?"
[14:52:26] <icebox> for me it is ok :P
[14:53:38] <Elarcis> gecko19: "hey guys I have this very specific feature that the teach…customer asked for, where I would increment a counter on a button click, how can I do that please, I only have one hour left before the t…customer sees it!"
[14:55:10] <gecko19> Elarcis: Great explanation...I will try not to irritate you guys...
[14:55:26] <Elarcis> TOO LATE
[14:55:34] <icebox> :P
[14:55:46] <Pyrrhus666> gecko19, never mind Elarcis, he´s kinda special.
[14:56:01] <icebox> ahahahah
[14:56:07] <Pyrrhus666> (a euphemism for french)
[14:56:18] <Pyrrhus666> but we still love him
[14:56:51] <Elarcis> I’ll take what I can get!
[14:56:58] <gecko19> Pyrrhus666: Not short on the love there ...I can see
[14:57:17] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, THAT´S MY FETISH ! ;)
[14:57:24] <icebox> gecko19: well... we are all special in the channel :)
[14:57:24] <Elarcis> D:
[14:57:50] <Elarcis> 4 years of AngularJS does that to people.
[14:58:03] <Pyrrhus666> any kind of js, actually...
[14:58:05] <Elarcis> It _changes_ them.
[14:58:14] * Elarcis shudders
[14:58:16] <gecko19> icebox: I think being on a channel is special enough..having time to share thoughts/feedback is part of what makes us good social creatures
[14:58:16] <icebox> Elarcis: agreed
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[15:02:55] <gecko19> Guys...
[15:03:05] <gecko19> Would this be a good starting point https://medium.com/netscape/mean-app-tutorial-with-angular-4-part-1-18691663ea96
[15:03:27] <gecko19> Allowing me to create my own views etc
[15:03:36] <gecko19> instead of piggy backing onto someone else?
[15:03:44] <gecko19> someone else's work I meant
[15:04:17] <Pyrrhus666> gecko19, for a tutorial, just do the tour of heroes. after that do ´ng new <projectname>´ and start from there.
[15:04:41] <Pyrrhus666> anything mentioning angular 4 is generally too old.
[15:04:50] <Pyrrhus666> (my opinion)
[15:05:58] <Pyrrhus666> and don´t focus too much on mongo, it´s just a database in the backend.
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[15:11:27] <gecko19> Thanks guys
[15:11:30] <gecko19> Helps a lot...
[15:11:35] <gecko19> I will be back :)
[15:11:49] <Elarcis> famous last words
[15:12:58] <Pyrrhus666> and again and again ;)
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[16:02:47] <realies> can you integrate an angular form app into a wordpress page without an iframe?
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[16:16:48] <sagarhani> realies, yeah possible. You can keep your angular app within the wordpress source and link it.
[16:19:13] <realies> sagarhani, can you please link me to somewhere that can explain more?
[16:23:57] <sagarhani> realies, https://premium.wpmudev.org/forums/topic/how-do-i-add-an-html-page-to-my-wordpress-website
[16:24:41] <realies> ...um?
[16:24:57] <sagarhani> So, you need to keep your angular app inside wp-content folder. You can access that app from domain.com/appName
[16:25:18] <sagarhani> realies, got it ?
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[16:25:47] <realies> not sure, no
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[16:25:59] <realies> have an angular2 app that would like to integrate in a page in wordpress
[16:26:02] <sagarhani> What exactly are you trying to achieve ?
[16:26:14] <realies> the app has forms controls
[16:27:38] <sagarhani> Instead of having that page inside your wordpress. Have that page in your angular app itself.
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[16:28:04] <sagarhani> It would look like a wordpress page for an end user, but it would be a angular app made by you.
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[16:35:55] <ecuanaso> Has anybody here used the Google Maps API for one of their apps?
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[16:44:42] <icebox> off... bye
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[16:47:52] <Pyrrhus666> me too. bye icebox & #angularjs
[16:49:04] <Elarcis> Adieu
[16:49:34] <Pyrrhus666> a bientot
[16:50:33] <ray02> ciao!
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[16:51:43] <Pyrrhus666> tot morgen !
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[16:57:13] <SargoDarya> Will also leave in around 20 minutes. Gonna sign the contract later :D
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[17:07:59] <SargoDarya> Bye folks, see you tomorrow
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[18:42:35] <alaing> hi any ideas why when i run an end to end test using protractor browser.rootEl is returning an empty string
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[20:40:13] <niyer> I am trying to test with spy: https://angular.io/guide/testing#testing-with-a-spy
[20:40:20] <niyer> getQuoteSpy = twainService.getQuote.and.returnValue( of(testQuote) );
[20:40:43] <niyer> ^^ Here I get the error 'can not find name of'
[20:40:50] <niyer> Any ideas?
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[21:14:19] <iman> Hi, I don't know why I keep getting this error https://pastebin.com/J4gnQezh
[21:14:40] <iman> this is a warning, but nothing works after this
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[21:35:15] <al-damiri> Hi #angularjs.
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[21:35:43] <al-damiri> Does anyone know if it's possible to get access to your Angular services from the console (Chrome DevTools) for debugging purposes?
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[22:42:47] <BlinkyBill> Good morning you Angular party animals.
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