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[02:13:48] <merpnderp> In ng2, why does the http object return an observable if it only ever emits a single value? Why not just a promise?
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[02:22:35] <zomg> that it something I wondered about as well
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[02:52:50] <merpnderp> zomg: you write ng2 professionally?
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[02:56:46] <zomg> ng1
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[02:59:19] <merpnderp> Just wonder what people think of ng2.
[02:59:26] <merpnderp> s/wonder/wondering/
[02:59:51] <zomg> they seem to like it at least based on the discussion here
[02:59:57] <zomg> I don't see much complaints
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[03:00:28] <merpnderp> So far I don't see anything to hate :)
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[05:01:15] <bz-> hi...so, i have a component that imports another component, that uses its html within the parent component. and i am attempting to access an html div element within the parent of the imported component html by using @ViewChild, but all i get is undefined....what am i doing incorrectly?
[05:02:12] <bz-> i am referencing it within an ngAfterViewInit() too
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[07:54:23] <Elarcis> Hellooo ♪♫
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[08:09:48] <zomg> sup
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[08:21:26] <icebox> hey folks
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[08:22:46] <Elarcis> hey… folk?
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[08:25:15] <zomg> in case none of you go on /r/programming here's a thing I made https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kk2wE_6J_U
[08:25:18] <zomg> :D
[08:25:34] <zomg> it was on top of /r/programming for like two days so if you did go there you might have seen it
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[08:29:42] <Elarcis> yeah, this game is fun, I think I dropped off at the part where you have to return 0 or 1 if pairs are of the same sign or not
[08:30:26] <zomg> ah
[08:30:37] <Elarcis> also, Kyle Gabler <3
[08:30:38] <zomg> yeah it started getting a bit mathy there rather than logic
[08:31:09] <zomg> I completed all the main line puzzles except the two last ones, which I just looked up because I wanted to see the last bit of story at the end :D
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[08:31:30] <zomg> I might've been able to complete the two last ones but I did the whole game in one sitting on stream and I was really exhausted mentally at that point :D
[08:33:53] <Elarcis> zomg: you have a lovely voice for videos
[08:35:24] <zomg> Thanks :D
[08:35:41] <zomg> I'm used to hearing it by now but it still doesn't sound as good as it sounds in my head lol
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[08:45:06] <icebox> zomg, Elarcis: hey
[08:45:46] <zomg> sup
[08:49:20] <SargoDarya> Morning folks o-
[08:50:25] <icebox> SargoDarya: hey
[08:50:33] <SargoDarya> How's it going?
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[08:57:19] <icebox> it seems ok :)
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[08:57:50] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: HELLOOO
[08:58:03] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: Had a nice week-end?
[08:58:33] <SargoDarya> Super awesome, went to salzburg with the company to the casino. Had a super fun time there.
[08:58:38] <SargoDarya> How about yours?
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[08:59:28] <icebox> wasting time to fix tests in electron and struggling with type="module" with browser versions without that feature support :)
[09:00:04] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: my stomach hurts like hell and I started learning about the AI and sensing API in UE4
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[09:09:45] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: I really like the level of abstraction provided, like actors can "hear" and "see" things, and I imagine you can add other kind of senses based on that API.
[09:10:31] <Elarcis> icebox: outch, I feel your pain
[09:10:47] <zomg> I was trying to add some basic pathfinding into a My Summer Car mod I was fiddling with
[09:11:05] <zomg> but of course there is no NavMesh in the game so it can't use Unity's own pathfinding
[09:11:13] <zomg> which would have made it all too easy to do :p
[09:11:16] <Elarcis> icebox: reminds me of an article I read that sold itself as "write vanilla JS modules", but the author quickly proceeded to install webpack, babel and just explain the ES6 syntax.
[09:11:39] <icebox> Elarcis: 3 hours to undestand why tests didn't work: the output was partial... at the beginning I thought it was due to race conditions... the problem was the kind of terminal (vscode), tweaking the ouput
[09:11:51] <Elarcis> icebox: wut
[09:13:16] <icebox> Elarcis: yep... running tests in electron I redirect the renderer output (the console log of the web view - the browser) to the main view (the console of the main process)... if the terminal is not a "real" tty, there are a few problems
[09:14:01] <Pyrrhus666> morning #amgularjs
[09:14:43] <SargoDarya> Except for the stomach pain that sounds nice though
[09:14:57] <icebox> Elarcis: so I spent a lot of time adding event listeners like "when-I-am-read" and sending events like "mocha-ready-to-start" :)
[09:15:03] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: hey
[09:15:24] <icebox> Elarcis: of course... only a few hours later I understood it was useless and problem was the terminal :)
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[09:17:35] <icebox> Elarcis: next step was removing the bundling task and using directly (for the tests) the type="module" approach... it didn't work :)... one hour waste because I didn't notice electron stable has chrome 59: it doesn't support es modules introduced in chrome 61 :)
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[09:18:34] <icebox> it is weirdly because puppeteer and nw.js have chrome 66 and chrome 65... electron "only" 59
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[09:19:25] <icebox> Elarcis: anyway, at last, the good news I removed karma :)
[09:20:15] <Elarcis> icebox: \o/
[09:20:21] <Elarcis> icebox: …wait?
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[09:21:00] <Elarcis> icebox: surely it will upgrade soon?
[09:21:03] <icebox> Elarcis: in the last few days I had been using puppeteer for the tests... so I was indipendent with respect to the browser installed (now I have FF)... but I had deps like electron (60MB) and puppeteer (110MB)... it was ugly to have both
[09:21:38] <Elarcis> zomg: lol I think I just found out the solution to the "same sign" problem in HMR
[09:21:47] <icebox> Elarcis: electron beta has chrome 61
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[09:22:05] <Elarcis> icebox: now, you just have to wait for the next release :P
[09:22:56] <icebox> Elarcis: for the modules, yes... at least for the test part :)
[09:23:02] <zomg> Elarcis: nice, I recall it was a bit tricky at first
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[09:23:22] <Elarcis> zomg: yeah, especially sinc, there’s no ">0" comparator :P
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[09:23:38] <zomg> lol yeah
[09:23:54] <zomg> any bigger/smaller than comparisons need to be done using subtraction and then checking if the result is negative... :P
[09:24:00] <Elarcis> zomg: for an assembly language, gt and lt are really missing
[09:24:21] <zomg> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_man_computer
[09:24:28] <zomg> it seems to be also somewhat based on that in addition to assembly
[09:25:02] <zomg> that even uses the inbox/outbox terminology :D
[09:25:05] <Elarcis> zomg: interesting
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[09:36:44] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: first weekend without chrome... I resisted :)
[09:37:17] <ray02> hello hello
[09:37:24] <ray02> good morning
[09:38:00] <ray02> icebox which browser did you choos as alternative?
[09:38:04] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, very good :)
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[09:38:43] <icebox> ray02: FF, of course :)
[09:40:33] <ray02> i would also suggest to give a try to opera
[09:40:37] <icebox> ray02: tracking protection is a boost in the browsing experience in terms of speed and noise in the page... if you didn't try, you don't know what you are missing
[09:40:44] <icebox> ray02: no way
[09:41:01] <Elarcis> HAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
[09:41:06] <ray02> why not?
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[09:41:16] <Elarcis> just solved a stupid problem with a stupid solution.
[09:41:57] <ray02> about traking protection opera has an ebedded vpn
[09:42:08] <Elarcis> turns out in TS you can override tuples with longer tuples as long as the first types are compatible
[09:42:46] <icebox> ray02: because I embrace Mozilla vision... "We make the internet safer, healthier and faster for good."
[09:43:11] <icebox> ray02: basically it is an indipendent foundation
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[09:46:57] <zomg> Opera these days is kind of meh
[09:47:03] <zomg> it's just a chrome variant basically...
[09:47:25] <zomg> Vivaldi is kinda interesting though - that's basically a browser from the guys who split off from Opera Software
[09:47:36] <zomg> I believe the old Opera CEO is at Vivaldi as well
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[09:48:44] <Elarcis> zomg: Vivaldi is basically a chrome variant with good ideas implemented without performances in mind.
[09:48:51] <icebox> OT: it is interesting to give a look at the members of tc39... :) https://www.ecma-international.org/memento/members.htm
[09:49:22] <Elarcis> zomg: I stopped using it once I got tired with the constand freezes, lags, loading times and small glitches
[09:49:25] <zomg> Elarcis: yeah it's fairly early at this point so remains to be seen
[09:49:47] <Elarcis> zomg: what’s baffling me is why they decided to use a chromium basis
[09:50:05] <Elarcis> zomg: it’s a browser that runs a browser.
[09:51:38] <zomg> Huh?
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[09:55:33] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, notably absent : apple (why am I not surprised...)
[09:56:12] <Pyrrhus666> (in the ordinary members that is, I see them in the associates)
[09:56:16] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: it is there... see other members :
[09:56:22] <icebox> ok
[09:56:42] <Pyrrhus666> like they couldn´t afford the extra CHF35000
[09:56:51] <Pyrrhus666> cheapskates :P
[09:57:33] <icebox> I have been studying tc39 organization and process, because I am interested to replicate the model in a business environment :)
[09:58:03] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, what´s so special about their organization and process ?
[09:58:23] <icebox> the proposal process is very interesting... but the critical part is the membership and the votes
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[09:59:36] <SuperTyp> hi all
[09:59:46] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: I would like to create the so-called master plan (the list of all projects and activities based on the budgets) following that kind of process...
[09:59:49] <icebox> SuperTyp: hey
[10:00:22] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, sounds interesting, if far removed from anything I do ;)
[10:00:26] <Pyrrhus666> morning SuperTyp
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[10:02:18] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: apart the technical and formal details to create the proposals, it is interesting studying the dynamics to get consensus
[10:02:43] <icebox> no idea if I achieve something but it is interesting :)
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[10:04:16] <icebox> OT: nice history about Rust language and Quantum... https://github.com/astrastefania/rust-servo-quantum-talk/blob/master/rust-servo-quantum-talk.pdf
[10:04:31] <Elarcis> zomg: yeah, Vivaldi is using Electron.
[10:04:45] <Elarcis> zomg: or similar.
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[10:06:53] <zomg> Well that's kinda clunky
[10:08:49] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, the most interesting thing about methods of getting consensus is the ways in which they can break down (e.g. the dutch poldermodel that functioned ok for 25 years, but has been useless for over a decade)
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[10:09:12] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: the topic is really fascinating
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[10:11:27] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: I spent a few hours studing things like... what if I need to give a new structure (from scratch) to a nation... basically https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers
[10:13:26] <icebox> *studying
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[10:14:38] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, very current too, seeing multiple countries sabotaging the system (most often by abusing the judicial part and mixing it with legislative or executive)
[10:14:51] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: totally agreed
[10:15:40] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: and that is (was) the main reason I asked myself "what if"... of course the answer is not at all simple
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[10:21:43] <icebox> no tech questions today? :)
[10:22:13] <Elarcis> icebox: how do you change a readonly value at runtime?
[10:22:15] <Elarcis> icebox: :P
[10:22:53] <icebox> what is the colour of the Napoleon's white horse?
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[10:23:11] <SuperTyp> hm...history was never my thing, next question
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[10:40:02] <icebox> if (this.constructor.prototype === this) vs. this === Foo.prototype... the first check works through inheritance chain too.
[10:40:39] <Pyrrhus666> either one feels kinda dirty to me :P
[10:42:04] <icebox> me too :P just reading code I didn't write :)
[10:45:14] <CssNoOb> Anyone knows here how does the cucumber/puppeteer works?
[10:47:51] <icebox> CssNoOb: well... what is your concern?
[10:50:41] <icebox> CssNoOb: and what is your setup in terms of tests runner?
[10:52:03] <icebox> CssNoOb: if you are using karma, the integration between karma and puppeteer is one line... in karma.conf.js add the following line... process.env.CHROME_BIN = require("puppeteer").executablePath();
[10:52:35] <icebox> CssNoOb: install karma-cucumber-js and call the day :)
[10:56:39] <icebox> CssNoOb: generally speaking, about the tests this is the general dev workflow... write a simple test with your favourite test framework and run it in the browser... does it work?... now automate the test using a test runner... does it work?... then execute the runner in a headless browser... enjoy. :)
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[10:57:39] <CssNoOb> oh boy
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[10:59:10] <CssNoOb> my boss told me to integrate cucumber-puppeteer
[10:59:27] <CssNoOb> for end to end testing from our angular project
[10:59:33] <CssNoOb> which is ecommerce
[10:59:39] <replman> Hi! When i build my angular app with 'ng build', i get a StaticInjectorError for one of my services. If i use 'ng build --aot', everything works fine. Is this a known behavior?
[10:59:51] <CssNoOb> icebox
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[11:00:28] <replman> In my module i have the service registered in the providers array...
[11:00:34] <Pyrrhus666> replman, known in the sense that there are differences between aot and jit.
[11:01:03] <icebox> CssNoOb: perfect... I explained you the three steps how to do it and I gave you the solutions for step #2 and #3... if you don't use karma, you may use a custom test runner... up to you
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[11:04:10] <replman> I am not able to find out why the service injector works fine with aot and doesn't work without aot. What can cause such a behaviour?
[11:04:18] <icebox> CssNoOb: of course for the step #1, we cannot write the tests for you :)
[11:05:04] <Pyrrhus666> replman, no idea, I have had weird issues when switching from jit to aot too, but now I just do only aot.
[11:06:35] <icebox> replman: latest angular-cli version?
[11:06:36] <CssNoOb> icebox tnx
[11:06:48] <icebox> CssNoOb: you are welcome
[11:07:22] <CssNoOb> so I should install cucumber and puppeteer from our angular project ? icebox
[11:07:38] <icebox> CssNoOb: no
[11:07:48] <Pyrrhus666> replman, also, you could browse https://angular.io/guide/aot-compiler to see if something along your lines is mentioned
[11:07:54] <replman> i have cli 1.7.0
[11:07:59] <CssNoOb> puppeteer only?
[11:08:03] <icebox> CssNoOb: no
[11:08:14] <CssNoOb> when we I pulled from my project
[11:08:24] <CssNoOb> newly installed puppeteer from our proj
[11:08:40] <CssNoOb> I mean, pulled from git
[11:08:55] <CssNoOb> package.json
[11:09:02] <icebox> CssNoOb: joking... :P... no idea... if your requirements are puppeteer and cucumber, I suppose you need to install them :)
[11:09:28] <CssNoOb> okay :)
[11:09:44] <icebox> CssNoOb: what is your concern about the installation? yes, it is enough the dep in the package and then "npm install"
[11:11:27] <CssNoOb> I'm still studying the two
[11:11:35] <CssNoOb> I think for end to end testing
[11:12:46] <icebox> replman: first (free) try would be to update to the latest stable (1.7.3?)
[11:15:57] <icebox> replman: then it would be nice to have the complete error... generally speaking you should give a look at github issues
[11:16:25] <CssNoOb> icebox what's protractor and cucumber
[11:16:32] <CssNoOb> meteor cucumber
[11:16:53] <replman> i'm currently upgrading cli and will do a test...
[11:18:00] <icebox> replman: for instance... https://github.com/angular/angular/issues/20102 - use --preserve-symlinks
[11:19:26] <icebox> CssNoOb: what is the question? :) or are you trying all the combinations? :)
[11:20:47] <icebox> CssNoOb: (surely meteor and cucumber is wrong... meteor is another MV* framework... it is like you are saying react and cucumber) :)
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[11:26:16] <CssNoOb> search some tutorials
[11:26:30] <CssNoOb> and search results are test a meteor app with cucumberjs
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[11:31:04] <icebox> CssNoOb: are you developing a meteor app?
[11:31:37] <max_at> hello :)
[11:31:55] <Pyrrhus666> morning max_at
[11:33:25] <icebox> max_at: hey
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[11:37:07] <SuperTyp> hello max_at
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[11:49:15] <Pyrrhus666> OT, vim : https://github.com/alevchuk/vim-clutch
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[12:03:56] <ray02> hey hey
[12:04:12] <ray02> i'm following this tuttorial for set up custom enviroment
[12:04:13] <ray02> http://tattoocoder.com/angular-cli-using-the-environment-option/
[12:04:23] <ray02> i have followed all the step
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[12:04:54] <ray02> and if, for example, i make ng build --env=prod
[12:04:57] <ray02> it work
[12:05:17] <ray02> but if i make ng build --env=mycostomName
[12:05:47] <ray02> it give me this error "Cannot read property 'length' of undefined"
[12:05:55] <ray02> wha i'm missing?
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[12:09:28] <karim_antoun[m]> Back up 78200222777
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[12:12:58] <ray02> *what
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[13:16:02] <icebox> ray02: resolved?
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[13:19:20] <icebox> A tiny, yet powerful state management library for Angular - https://github.com/SebastianM/tinystate
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[13:23:33] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, that looks useful...
[13:23:59] <icebox> 0.1.0
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[13:25:03] <Pyrrhus666> it´s been a long long time since front-end devs were scared of anything 0.x ;)
[13:25:18] <Pyrrhus666> 0.1 is the new 1
[13:26:52] <SuperTyp> icebox: in the example is the Container Abstract class a custom one?
[13:27:42] <Pyrrhus666> https://github.com/SebastianM/tinystate/blob/master/src/container.ts
[13:27:42] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: Thanks Obama!
[13:27:46] <Pyrrhus666> so yes
[13:28:19] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, was he the president who started using semver ? didn´t know that :P
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[13:37:47] <icebox> SuperTyp: sorry... too lazy to read that code
[13:38:02] <SuperTyp> ok :)
[13:38:17] <SuperTyp> because state management sounds like something I could use
[13:38:38] <SuperTyp> but I am not sure what kind of state is meant here
[13:38:56] <icebox> SuperTyp: state is the model
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[13:50:21] <ray02> icebox no,not yet
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[13:50:48] <ray02> i have made the same thing
[13:50:56] <ray02> that in the tutorial
[13:51:09] <ray02> but on mine don't work
[13:51:17] <icebox> ray02: did you check the notes?
[13:51:22] <ray02> yep
[13:51:36] <icebox> ray02: double check the files and the names?
[13:52:34] <ray02> i have create a new file inside the folder enviroments
[13:52:47] <ray02> that is called enviroment.demo.ts
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[13:53:17] <ray02> and i add a new line inside angular cli json
[13:53:32] <ray02> inside the environment elemen
[13:53:39] <ray02> *element
[13:53:46] <karim_antoun[m]> JW
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[13:54:17] <icebox> ray02: do you mean "demo": "environments/environment.demo.ts"
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[13:54:52] <ray02> exatly
[13:55:03] <icebox> ray02: and what is the content of environment.demo.ts?
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[13:55:59] <icebox> ray02: export const environment = { production: false, envName: 'demo' }; ?
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[13:56:15] <ray02> https://pastebin.com/B4UjA0pM
[13:56:16] <ray02> this
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[13:56:53] <icebox> ray02: you are not following the tutorial :)
[13:56:54] <ray02> it's right no?
[13:56:59] <ray02> ah
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[13:57:11] <icebox> ray02: no idea if it is correct... but the pattern is different
[13:57:48] <icebox> ray02: firstly you need to follow exactly the tutorial and reproduce it... then you can think to change it :)
[13:58:26] <ray02> yeah but i was thinking that was just a variable name
[13:58:32] <icebox> "just"
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[14:00:11] <ray02> let's see
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[14:03:00] <icebox> ray02: you are right... but the point is reproducing the tutorial... if it doesn't work, the problem is not the code, but the setup... and you need to find the diffs
[14:03:25] <ray02> no no but i agree with your point
[14:03:56] <ray02> anyway is not working
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[14:04:54] <ray02> i have use the other name because i was following also this
[14:04:55] <ray02> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/43258421/properly-using-environment-ts-in-my-angular4-application-with-angular-cli
[14:05:04] <ray02> ,the last reply,
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[14:10:50] <icebox> ray02: so you are saying there is a bug in angular-cli?
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[14:12:38] <icebox> ray02: this is the official page
[14:12:40] <icebox> https://github.com/angular/angular-cli/wiki/stories-application-environments
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[14:30:31] <SuperTyp> icebox: tinystate: isn't angulars change detection state management enough? :/
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[14:31:12] <Pyrrhus666> state management !== change detection ?
[14:32:13] <SuperTyp> I don't get it
[14:32:27] <ngWalrus> they aren't the same thing duderino
[14:32:31] <SuperTyp> If I want to keep track of a change in a subcomponent I simply use input binding
[14:32:35] <SuperTyp> and angular does the rest
[14:32:49] <SuperTyp> change of state*
[14:32:51] <ngWalrus> so you aren't using a state management lib
[14:33:03] <ngWalrus> (meaning redux or clones)
[14:33:06] <SuperTyp> no
[14:33:30] <SuperTyp> I don't see a use case
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[14:33:37] <SuperTyp> an*
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[14:36:04] <Pyrrhus666> SuperTyp, maybe this will enlighten you : https://gist.github.com/btroncone/a6e4347326749f938510
[14:36:23] <ray02> icebox yes i have read also there
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[14:36:35] <SuperTyp> Pyrrhus666: thx will read :)
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[14:39:35] <ray02> bah i don't undestande
[14:39:40] <ray02> understand
[14:39:42] <icebox> SuperTyp: state management manages the data flow between the components, not the changes, but the shared data
[14:39:51] <icebox> SuperTyp: an example?
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[14:40:16] <SuperTyp> I'll read the article on my way home :)
[14:40:26] <SuperTyp> thanks icebox
[14:41:09] <icebox> SuperTyp: imagine a quotes component updated when a tick of a stock is received... when that tick arrives, you need to refresh the trades, orders, exposures, positions components
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[14:41:41] <icebox> SuperTyp: ok... you can use two-way bindings or better one-way... that is your scenario
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[14:42:23] <icebox> SuperTyp: now a question... what are the components updated when a tick is pushed from the backend?
[14:43:41] <icebox> SuperTyp: when the scale of the app is small, you can answer to that question easily... but if you have dozens or hundreds of components sharing and passing data, it would be a nightmare using only the built-in flow
[14:44:45] <icebox> SuperTyp: imagine updating the quotes components, updaating other components and these components updating other ones
[14:44:54] <SuperTyp> I see
[14:45:19] <icebox> SuperTyp: what if I ask... updating X component what does it happen to the app? :)
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[14:46:17] <icebox> SuperTyp: state management is a sort of "interface" (or contract) for change detection
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[14:48:36] <icebox> SuperTyp: anyway you are right... you see state management is really useful when the app size is not small
[14:49:13] <SuperTyp> I like your empathy
[14:49:38] <icebox> SuperTyp: and if the app is designed correctly following best practices, you can scale a bit your app without using any state management
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[14:50:58] <SuperTyp> I guess the tinystate example isn't really helpful to understand how it helps solving this issue
[14:51:14] <icebox> SuperTyp: state management adds another layer of abstraction to the changes... so it adds complexity to the app... and for every layer there is pros and cons :)
[14:51:24] <icebox> SuperTyp: agreed
[14:51:35] <icebox> SuperTyp: I thought the same when I read the example
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[14:52:09] <SuperTyp> I guess if you implicitly search for a state management solution, ok you'll get the point
[14:52:10] <icebox> SuperTyp: indeed I thought it made sense showing the example with at least two components... but as usual state management getting started example is always about counter :)
[14:52:28] <SuperTyp> yes
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[14:52:48] <SuperTyp> thx icebox
[14:53:15] <icebox> SuperTyp: you start to think about state management when your components show a sort of "circularity" :)
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[15:23:41] <icebox> OT: Friends – if you're intrigued, consider reading #FairShot and thinking through the idea. If you're skeptical, please read the book and throw your critiques my way. Let's make the American Dream a possibility for everyone. Learn more at http://amzn.to/2sKC3oe .
[15:24:03] <icebox> a book from FB cofounder
[15:25:24] <Pyrrhus666> as long as we have poverty-driven migration, we´re a long way away from ´fair´.
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[15:26:04] <icebox> agreed
[15:26:16] <Pyrrhus666> then again, humanity is doomed anyway, so why bother solving this particular issue : https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/12/climate-change-is-a-disaster-foretold-just-like-the-first-world-war
[15:26:39] <Elarcis> OT: Universal Basic Income Explained – Free Money for Everybody? UBI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl39KHS07Xc
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[15:27:09] <Pyrrhus666> (some of the numbers in that guardian article are way past ´alarming´)
[15:27:24] <Pyrrhus666> * passed, dammit
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[15:31:58] <icebox> OT: 29 years ago... "www? vague, but exciting..." :) https://twitter.com/MIT_CSAIL/status/973202548248236032
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[15:35:43] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: they are absolutely consterning. I am ashamed of my personal inactivity regarding the problem.
[15:36:13] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: *appalling
[15:36:17] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, you are far from alone...
[15:37:19] <Pyrrhus666> meanwhile, in the netherlands, we are debating where to build more houses... I´d say the higher parts of germany...
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[15:39:13] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: meanwhile, people are justifying bitcoin’s energy consumption with "well that energy would go to waste anyway" dude, do you know how much energy is worth? how much it costs the world to power every single of our little computer-powered utopias?
[15:39:19] <Natalie> Hey. I'm poking around getting eslint-plugin-angular working. It looks like it comes with some shareable configs ("plugin:angular/johnpapa" or "plugin:angular/bestpractices"). But I've seen a lot of reference to using the shareable config eslint-config-angular. Is there any point in using eslint-config-angular, now that eslint-plugin-angular comes with it's own shareable configs?
[15:39:47] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, he, indeed.
[15:40:31] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: we should be looking forward to consumming more, not differently. Energy is a limited resource like any other.
[15:40:39] <Elarcis> *less
[15:40:52] <Elarcis> God damn lapsus.
[15:40:56] <Pyrrhus666> your typo scared me :P
[15:42:05] <icebox> Natalie: never used eslint-config-angular... always a custom one
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[15:43:03] <icebox> Elarcis: great lapsus :) :P
[15:43:47] <Natalie> icebox, I was planning on using it as a template, then adding my own config on top.
[15:44:24] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, if what I found is correct sea levels would rise 70 meters if all ice melts. I thought it´d be more... so that´s not too bad :P
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[15:45:18] <icebox> Natalie: the point is those configs are not actively maintained... I prefer to steal the config and to create a cusotm one... at least it would be in charge of myself how to maintain it :)
[15:45:38] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: well, it’s only ¼ of the altitude of my house, so I am pretty safe!
[15:45:46] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: no point in worrying!
[15:45:50] <icebox> my nick is env-aware :)
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[15:46:07] <Elarcis> let’s duplicate you and stop climate change for good!
[15:46:14] <icebox> I pay less taxes for that :)
[15:46:18] * Elarcis draws his cloning syringe
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[15:48:39] <merpnderp> Pyrrhus666: we could stop coal usage through fracking nat-gas and nuclear today, without causing widespread starvation or economic collapse. But we don't.
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[15:50:31] <Pyrrhus666> merpnderp, I´m reconciling with the fact that we´re already passed the point of no return.
[15:50:52] <Pyrrhus666> got no kids anyway, so *shrug*
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[15:51:49] <merpnderp> Pyrrhus666: We're certainly no where near the point of no return. Anyone who thinks they could possibly know that is trying to sell you something. The Guardian sells fear, just like when they said in 2001 that by 2010 England would never see snow again.
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[15:54:36] <Pyrrhus666> merpnderp, it´s my own conclusion. reduced planetary albedo + thawing permafrost + instable methane on the ocean floor released into the atmosphere is enough for me.
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[15:55:20] <Pyrrhus666> even without our presence, that alone might be enough. it´s happened multiple times in our planet´s pas
[15:55:24] <Pyrrhus666> *past
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[15:56:24] <Elarcis> merpnderp: "anyone who thinks they could possibly know that", says the person who guaranteed that "We're certainly no where near the point of no return"
[15:56:29] <Elarcis> merpnderp: what are you selling?
[15:56:50] <Elarcis> merpnderp: if no one knows for sure we have, no one knows for sure we haven’t.
[15:56:53] <merpnderp> Elarcis: we certainly don't know if we've passed the point of no return.
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[15:57:06] <Elarcis> merpnderp: that’s not the same thing
[15:57:11] <merpnderp> true
[15:57:43] <merpnderp> But we do know the Earth has been much much warmer, the oceans have been much higher, and cataclysmic events have caused the Earth to warm faster.
[15:57:53] <Elarcis> merpnderp: https://xkcd.com/1159
[15:58:01] <Elarcis> merpnderp: yes, and we weren’t there
[15:58:13] <Pyrrhus666> ^^
[15:58:15] <icebox> :P
[15:58:20] <Elarcis> merpnderp: also 99% of living species today.
[15:58:25] <merpnderp> I'm not arguing everything is fine, at all.
[15:58:38] <Elarcis> merpnderp: we are not arguing life is doomed
[15:58:44] <Elarcis> merpnderp: we are arguing we are
[15:58:45] <Elarcis> :P
[15:59:06] <Pyrrhus666> well, saying we are far from the tipping point sounds like it´s at least ´finer´ than I could ever imagine ;)
[15:59:14] <merpnderp> I'd only argue that since starving half of humanity and throwing 30% of the rest into abject poverty is not acceptable, we should move to nat-gas and nuclear and drop coal.
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[16:00:10] <Pyrrhus666> natural gas is no solution, neither is nuclear. all finite resources that would be depleted very quickly if we switched en masse.
[16:01:33] <Elarcis> ^
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[16:02:06] <Elarcis> nuclear is a much better idea than coal and petrol, but it’s still a bad idea.
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[16:02:18] <Pyrrhus666> granted, even the sun is a finite resource, but at least that´ll last a couple of billion years yet.
[16:02:27] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: yes, but after that?
[16:02:33] <icebox> :P
[16:02:36] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: can dead stars be made stars again? :P
[16:02:41] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, I certainly don´t care :P
[16:03:02] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: maybe there’s a computer, somewhere in the world, working on that topic :P
[16:03:11] <icebox> Elarcis: "after that?" is surely a engineer question :)
[16:03:25] <icebox> fired :)
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[16:04:00] <Pyrrhus666> ++++ OUT OF CHEESE ERROR ++++
[16:04:34] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, it´s more a toddler-phase, like all the ´why ?´ questions ;)
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[16:05:35] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: it has been said that all civilization go through the steps of the "how", the "why" and the "where".
[16:05:51] <Elarcis> "How do we eat?", "Why do we eat?", "Where are we eating tonight?$
[16:06:30] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: in finance the insurance products have a complex process behind the scenes... when I want to add "noise" during a meeting I say "and for the insurance products?"
[16:06:44] <icebox> panic assured
[16:06:51] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, hehe, evil you ;)
[16:07:04] <icebox> :P
[16:07:08] <icebox> bastard inside
[16:07:29] <Pyrrhus666> almost a BOFH :P
[16:07:35] <icebox> :P
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[16:22:39] <ray02> icebox at the end i was making all good, i just need to close e re open the console
[16:22:46] <ray02> boh
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[16:23:15] <icebox> ray02: ah
[16:23:35] <ray02> no sense for my brain
[16:23:56] <ray02> to check i had make a fresh new project
[16:24:07] <ray02> it worked on the first hit
[16:24:12] <ray02> bah
[16:26:01] <icebox> really bah
[16:26:25] <ray02> i'm glad that worked at the end :)
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[16:28:53] <icebox> me too
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[16:32:50] <merpnderp> In ng1, is there a way to get a callback when rendering is complete on an update?
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[16:33:17] <merpnderp> I've got a long table where each row has several buttons, and when the user updates a selection it can take ten seconds to rerender that in IE11.
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[16:35:08] <merpnderp> Pyrrhus666: There's an effectively infinite amount or uranium in ocean water that can be mined for around 10x the cost of tradition mining, remaining and insignificant cost of nuclear power. Never mind that known uranium reserves are like oil reserves in that they keep getting larger.
[16:36:29] <Pyrrhus666> merpnderp, no such thing as ´effectively infinite´. that just means we would be more wasteful with it, and deplete it faster than anticipated.
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[16:37:05] <Pyrrhus666> even solar isn´t ´effectively infinite´, but the closest to it :)
[16:37:33] <merpnderp> Pyrrhus666: uranium in the ocean and thorium are on the solar end of that scale.
[16:38:03] <merpnderp> Either way, they buy us hundreds of years to make solar/wind/geo cheap enough to not starve people.
[16:38:11] <Pyrrhus666> I don´t believe that would sustain our growing energy needs for 6 billion years.
[16:38:28] <icebox> merpnderp: yes, there is
[16:38:39] <icebox> merpnderp: see component lifecycle hooks
[16:38:53] <merpnderp> Why would anyone plan for 6 billion years? That would be like people one hundred years ago thinking they had a clue how we'd be living today.
[16:38:58] <merpnderp> icebox: thanks :)
[16:39:13] <Elarcis> merpnderp: "they buy us hundreds of years to make solar/wind/geo cheap enough to not starve people." bad news, people will starve before that.
[16:39:21] <Elarcis> merpnderp: :P
[16:39:41] <merpnderp> Elarcis: well today, fewer people are starving than yesterday. And that has been true for about the last 40 years.
[16:39:55] <Pyrrhus666> merpnderp, that´s the ´solar end of the scale´ ;)
[16:40:08] <Elarcis> merpnderp: true. Still 1 billion people.
[16:40:25] <Elarcis> merpnderp: or is it 1 billion children, I can’t recall, sadly.
[16:40:28] <icebox> merpnderp: https://docs.angularjs.org/guide/component and https://toddmotto.com/angular-1-5-lifecycle-hooks
[16:41:22] <Pyrrhus666> for the planet, it´s a good thing people are starving. imagine all them poor people driving diesels and flying to their holiday destinations twice a year. it´s be a disaster.
[16:41:24] <merpnderp> Elarcis: it's down 35% since 1990. Nearly 1 billion people have moved out of poverty since then.
[16:42:18] <merpnderp> Pyrrhus666: well if I have to pick between people and the planet, screw the planet ;) It doesn't make art, appreciate the universe, or write funny web comics.
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[16:43:09] <Pyrrhus6661> merpnderp, we´re doing a good job of screwing the planet ;)
[16:43:44] <Pyrrhus6661> so much so, we´re going extinct before we get off of it (which is a good thing imho)
[16:43:50] <icebox> yep... we are converting the planet in money :)
[16:44:13] <Elarcis> merpnderp: we are part of the planet.
[16:44:22] <Pyrrhus6661> icebox, but, we can´t eat money ! :P
[16:44:27] <icebox> exactly :)
[16:44:33] <merpnderp> Pyrrhus6661: why would that be a good thing? The rest of the solar system is dead rock, how could we despoil that?
[16:44:42] <merpnderp> And without us, who would care if we did?
[16:44:46] <Pyrrhus6661> merpnderp, oh, we´d find ways ;)
[16:44:47] <Elarcis> merpnderp: it’s like saying "if I had to pick between me and my body, screw my body!"
[16:45:02] <icebox> off... bye
[16:45:02] <Pyrrhus6661> merpnderp, queue the mr. smith speech here...
[16:45:39] <Pyrrhus6661> bye icebox
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[16:47:21] <merpnderp> I obviously would like things to be better. But which billion people are going to volunteer to starve in order to move the slider on how pristine the planet is moved a few notches?
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[16:47:39] <Elarcis> merpnderp: it’s not a question of killing people.
[16:47:58] <Pyrrhus666> none. that´s the heart of the problem. we need wwIII or a black death or something
[16:48:19] <merpnderp> Pyrrhus666: man, that is some bloodthirsty viewpoint.
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[16:48:48] <Pyrrhus666> merpnderp, you could say that. I just think humanity is stupid af.
[16:48:49] <ray02> do you know the tv series utopia?
[16:49:02] <ray02> talks about this tematics
[16:49:18] <Pyrrhus666> ray02, in holland that´s a shitty real life show ;)
[16:49:24] <ray02> ah no
[16:49:29] <ray02> no that one :)
[16:49:37] <Pyrrhus666> luckily :)
[16:49:43] <ray02> and also i love the sound traks
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[16:49:57] <ray02> is one series and half
[16:50:10] <ray02> than they cut out
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[16:50:17] <ray02> but is very valid
[16:51:22] <Anticom> Hi. Anyone using tslint-config-prettier? I've just installed it into a freshly generated ng app, ran tslint-config-prettier-check and removed the things mentioned there. However now if i run ng lint i get a bunch of errors i didn't get before
[16:52:52] <Anticom> https://gist.github.com/Anticom/5a006d614e7ed9ce11e23ee8912f1d23 those are the linting errors i'm getting
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[16:54:47] <Pyrrhus666> off now, laterz !
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[21:31:46] <Natalie> Okay, so I've gotten protractor working for my simple testing. Is there an easy way to get "npm start protractor" to run http-server, run protractor, and then close http-server?
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[22:35:04] <bz-> when callMethod() is not being called....
[22:35:13] <bz-> but, i mean, the callMethod() is not being called
[22:38:10] <bz-> anyone?
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[23:37:03] <phisch> do you guys separate landing pages from the actual product completely? or do you mush it together through nested components?
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