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[01:02:05] <HeartMeeple> wafflejock, Do you know of any state management techniques?
[01:02:42] <HeartMeeple> wafflejock, I want to put my refreshes and child to parent communications into a service.
[01:04:08] <wafflejock> HeartMeeple sorry not sure what you're asking you mean like ngrx store? In 1.x projects I'd typically just use providers/services/factories to hold data and communicate things between disconnected components with 2+ I've only done the heros tutorial really.... going to be starting on an angular 2+ project pretty soon though so going to start messing around with it more here and stop with the react/redux stuff for now
[01:05:06] <HeartMeeple> wafflejock, Oh I see. I know that you had given me a good lead on reactive forms. I was chasing the insight. :-)
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[01:08:15] <HeartMeeple> I'm finding it very challenging to find ways to communicate state changes between components. Event emitters are easy but some of the components I need to change are nested so that means passing events to parents multiple times for a single event. I haven't found an elegant or manageable way to do it yet. That seems like a big oversight.
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<wafflejock> yeah ngrx store I think is in part meant to make the state management easier but again only heard about it haven't used it in practice yet https://github.com/ngrx/store
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[01:16:06] <wafflejock> HeartMeeple I'm going to rewrite this interface I just did in react with angular so I'll probably dig into this some more will let ya know how it goes if I have any updates (dragons be here, a holy grail, or somewhere between)
[01:17:26] <HeartMeeple> Thanks.
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[03:50:12] <Tunis> Newbie in Angular is it suitable to backend enterprise dev
[03:50:17] <Tunis> ?
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[04:15:50] <Neo4> ng-app
[04:15:50] <Neo4>
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[04:48:56] <Neo4> what means ng-app and ng-controller?
[04:49:12] <Neo4> Wake up guys, morning now )
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[05:03:36] <Neo4> Is AngularJS perfect for Single Page Applications?
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[05:21:03] <lf94> Neo4, yes.
[05:21:13] <lf94> Angular is literally for SPAs.
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[05:29:13] <Neo4> lf94: is angular v 1.x obsoleted?
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[05:29:37] <lf94> Mmm, officially I don't know. Unofficially, lots of people using it.
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[05:29:53] <lf94> My company is using it, and I have been using 1.x for every new project.
[05:30:01] <Neo4> lf94: what version to learn?
[05:30:05] <lf94> 1.6+
[05:30:15] <lf94> Or, I highly recommend to learn React.
[05:30:22] <lf94> If you are going to just start learning a framework
[05:30:31] <lf94> So learn React, then come back to Angular 1.6+
[05:30:50] <Neo4> lf94: no, I need to know basics for understand prepared code
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[05:31:01] <Neo4> there is used 1.5 version angularjs
[05:31:13] <lf94> ok then you are in luck :) Lots of people using that.
[05:31:39] <Neo4> lf94: ok, I might be need chose book?
[05:31:49] <Neo4> what can you suggest?
[05:31:54] <lf94> I say 1.5+ because there is a new feature called .component() which makes defining components more standard.
[05:31:57] <lf94> er, 1.6
[05:32:02] <lf94> I have never used a book sorry
[05:32:11] <lf94> I recommend Todd Motto's stuff
[05:32:26] <Neo4> or video lessons?
[05:32:27] <lf94> He has put a lot of organization and thought into Angular 1.X projects
[05:32:30] <lf94> He has video lessons
[05:32:34] <lf94> You might have to pay
[05:32:40] <lf94> But he is the #1 source IMO for this.
[05:32:56] <Neo4> and 1.5 and 1.6 are difference versions?
[05:32:58] <lf94> I would recommend nothing else
[05:33:06] <lf94> They are extremely similar.
[05:33:10] <Neo4> ok
[05:33:18] <Neo4> understood, thanks
[05:33:36] <lf94> So this is for a job?
[05:33:42] <lf94> Good luck :)
[05:34:48] <Neo4> lf94: no, I learn code from wp plugin and there some parts use angularjs
[05:35:15] <lf94> oh
[05:35:28] <Neo4> want to know how that plugin is written and then make my own, so called 'reverse ingineering'
[05:35:30] <lf94> well if you just need someone to tell you what it does, I wouldnt mind
[05:35:36] <lf94> heh
[05:35:58] <Neo4> I'm going to write my own plugin like that afterwards
[05:36:08] <lf94> What does it do?
[05:36:48] <Neo4> lf94: it's not essential, this method you can apply to any existing application
[05:37:10] <lf94> ?
[05:37:23] <lf94> You mean reverse engineering? I know - I have reverse engineered many binaries.
[05:37:29] <lf94> I mean what does this plugin do
[05:37:32] <lf94> :P
[05:38:07] <Neo4> lf94: it's secret
[05:38:17] <Neo4> lf94: add data to database
[05:38:17] <lf94> oh boy X)
[05:38:33] <lf94> If you want to watch network requests you can look at the network tab
[05:38:36] <lf94> in dev console
[05:39:16] <lf94> It just baffles me there is a /WordPress/ plugin so valueable you will spend time reverse engineering it
[05:39:28] <lf94> That is why I'm curious what it does
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[05:40:05] <Neo4> lf94: yes, I know this, there in wordpress use special method for create ajax requests. This is not importent, I've already commented this row of code, and couldn't have understood for angular. Need learn basics
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[05:40:38] <Neo4> lf94: anyway 'reverse engineering' will faster than do it from scratch, What do you think about this approach?
[05:40:54] <lf94> I need more context to evaluate the situation
[05:41:14] <lf94> Like if it's super obfuscated, I would just write it from scratch
[05:41:22] <Neo4> I would never write this plugin by myself, really so difficult code inside, there 8 000 row of code and might be even more
[05:41:29] <lf94> Unless you have a nice deobfuscation tool
[05:41:40] <lf94> 8000 lines not so bad
[05:41:57] <lf94> 1000 lines per file, could simply be 8 components
[05:42:00] <Neo4> lf94: no, without obfuscation, there you can read all code, just it vast - big volume of code and many parts
[05:42:27] <lf94> Could you PM me the plugin we are talking about? I just want to see it
[05:42:29] <Neo4> lf94: other parts, php, javascript, code for forms
[05:43:32] <Neo4> php takes 4000, html where forms 2000 and juvascript 1000 or 2000, and there 4 outside libs
[05:43:47] <Neo4> lf94: no, suddenly you are developer of this plugin?
[05:43:55] <Neo4> lf94: :)
[05:44:42] <Neo4> lf94: I want to break down it and make my own like this one. In general it's doesn't matter what the plugin. it can be any
[05:44:56] <Neo4> it could have been any :)
[05:45:00] <lf94> lmao what, you just really have my curiosity now!
[05:45:16] <lf94> I have no time or interest to reverse it/implement it
[05:45:34] <lf94> I am doing way cooler things, like this: ecc-comp.blogspot.com/2018/03/w-shingling-finds-similarities-in-6.html
[05:47:14] <Neo4> lf94: can't understand how does it build, there was a few part of code encrypted I've decypted all. Do you think it's good chose for create your own product?
[05:47:32] <Neo4> lf94: I'm going to create equal plugin and sell on codecanyon?
[05:48:23] <Neo4> lf94: it seems very popular 3800 sells, multiple on 30$, not bad rewards.
[05:48:57] <lf94> Well for one, sounds illegal to RE and then re-sell this, heh.
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[05:49:18] <lf94> Two: is it a good choice? Mmmm. No idea
[05:49:19] <Neo4> lf94: are you developer of this plugin? That guy who did it should be good know angularjs and javascript in general
[05:49:24] <lf94> I have never had a need for this
[05:49:49] <lf94> No? Why would you say that
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[05:50:36] <Neo4> lf94: no, it's illegal if you do it like company, this is called in English 'fairy developing'. Company use two group of developers one break down application and do specification how does it works and than give other group of developer specification and they build application.
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[05:51:08] <lf94> I would just write my own
[05:51:19] <Neo4> lf94: in USA this is legal, In this way people rebuild many applications
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[05:51:50] <Neo4> lf94: your own will take much time, had better use 'reverse engineering'
[05:52:03] <lf94> The plugin is basically this: create a job that runs every X minutes/hours, put in the URL it will scrape from, visually select the element you want to scrape.
[05:52:09] <lf94> Nah, not for this
[05:52:13] <lf94> Pretty simple
[05:52:46] <lf94> 30*4000 = 12000$? That's like 4 months work
[05:53:17] <lf94> Full time, should take a monthish, if you really know what you're doing, less
[05:54:09] <Neo4> lf94: I thought also better write my own, yes it will your own and not equal applications, just before write your own you learned how works counterpart. And this it not bite code.
[05:54:42] <lf94> I dont quite understand what you are saying, could you rephrase it please?
[05:54:44] <Neo4> lf94: don't know, in Ukraine avarage salary 200$, you will work for 12000$ all your life
[05:54:50] <lf94> Ah
[05:55:13] <lf94> Mmm, I know someone less working there. It is not that low ;)
[05:55:21] <lf94> someone else working there*
[05:55:58] <Neo4> lf94: before I thought also that better to write own application. And as you can see 'reverse engineering' is made for save your time and we can actyvely apply it. Don't reinvent wheel! Just learn prepared code and make own.
[05:56:06] <Neo4> lf94: Now more understandable?
[05:56:46] <lf94> Ah yes
[05:56:48] <Neo4> lf94: are you from USA? For USA average salary 3 000$ it means majority people get less then 3000 1000 - 2000$
[05:56:52] <lf94> But still what you are saying is not morally right
[05:56:54] <lf94> No, Canada
[05:57:08] <lf94> You are missing a zero
[05:57:11] <lf94> $30,000
[05:57:11] <Neo4> lf94: doesn't matter, all western countries has equal salary
[05:57:19] <lf94> no, they dont
[05:57:22] <Neo4> lf94: where you see so big salary?
[05:57:52] <lf94> I think you need a lesson on salary :D hehe
[05:57:59] <lf94> $30,000 is very low
[05:58:13] <lf94> Janitor makes this
[05:58:13] <Neo4> lf94: in German it's 3000 and average means maximal salary + mininal and divide on amount
[05:58:24] <Neo4> they will get in general less than 3000
[05:58:38] <lf94> Sorry, lets be specific: I am talking yearly salary.
[05:58:47] <Neo4> lf94: 30 000??? is very low? it's in year?
[05:58:58] <lf94> Yes a year
[05:59:05] <lf94> $30,000 is low for a year.
[05:59:06] <Neo4> lf94: how you count per year or per month?
[05:59:12] <lf94> Usually per year
[05:59:22] <Neo4> lf94: I say about month, for year there 40 000$
[05:59:26] <lf94> Ahhh
[05:59:31] <lf94> OK makes much more sense!
[05:59:44] <Neo4> lf94: 120 000 it's 3 years of work
[05:59:53] <lf94> Yes, makes sense
[05:59:58] <lf94> That is more accurate
[06:00:23] <lf94> Anyway what you are proposing, reversing someone's work, I would not do. It is just morally not right in my opinion
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[06:00:26] <Neo4> there codecanyon took 50% and 60 000$ is clean income, but anyway 60 000 is big money
[06:00:33] <lf94> But, you are 100% right, it will save yo utime.
[06:00:35] <lf94> you time
[06:01:03] <lf94> I would not want to be sued
[06:01:27] <Neo4> lf94: morally not right. Is it right morale to reinvent wheels?
[06:01:35] <Neo4> lf94: ok, I agree with you
[06:02:01] <lf94> You need money to feed your family and survive month to month, I 100% say go for it. Do what you need to do
[06:02:09] <lf94> Otherwise, dont
[06:02:27] <lf94> But keep in mind, these guys need to feed their families too :)
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[06:04:15] <lf94> "Is it right morale to reinvent wheels" a wheel is a much simpler object than a computer program.
[06:04:29] <lf94> It is ok to reinvent a computer program
[06:04:42] <lf94> It is not ok to take that program, and basically repackage it
[06:04:45] <Neo4> lf94: I could have put nulled version of this plugin on torrent. And this would be very bad
[06:04:54] <lf94> Yes, agreed
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[06:05:21] <lf94> If you just reverse it to see how they structure things, but use your own technologies, that is ok too
[06:06:00] <lf94> To me though you want to remained unbiased, maybe it is internally a mess.
[06:06:17] <lf94> It would be less work to see how it works, have well defined requirements, and implement it.
[06:06:22] <Neo4> lf94: no, not repackage, learn code "how does it works" and then build your own app that will better than existing. Basically it will new application. Just for this we will use 'reverse engineering', Not research
[06:06:41] <lf94> Ah ok, then that is ok.
[06:06:54] <lf94> To me though 4000 sales does not sound like a lot
[06:06:57] <Neo4> to create something new is very time consuming and I think all new has been created long ago
[06:07:04] <lf94> There are thousands of "scrapers" on the market
[06:07:24] <lf94> No, there are lots of new things to make, but yeah, with WordPress you might be right!! XD
[06:07:36] <Neo4> lf94: you can create other plugin
[06:09:02] <Neo4> lf94: for example you can create your own virus, Catche some current virus, break down code and write own. It's very widely apply in this domain. Antiviruses company always do it
[06:09:14] <lf94> Yes I understand
[06:09:31] <lf94> I have reverse engineered viruses before
[06:09:32] <lf94> :)
[06:10:03] <Neo4> lf94: I shouldn't have said you what I'm going to do... Doesn't matter, it wasn't big secret
[06:10:59] <lf94> Why? I am about to play some Fortnite :) Like I said, I have no interest or time XD
[06:11:07] <lf94> I think writing this software is pointless/boring
[06:12:58] <Neo4> lf94: yes, write boring, but always to learn alien code interesting, because you learn something new approaches in programming, and will able to use it
[06:13:30] <Neo4> for example angularjs )
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[08:01:35] <TBB_> Hi, I've got some questions, I'm currently working on a Webapp and nodeJS must be installed on the server to make the site work?
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[08:04:16] <uptime> TBB_: Unless the app requires node and/or usage of things that come with node (like npm), it shouldn't, no
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[08:05:56] <TBB_> okay, ty
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[08:32:22] <icebox> hey folks
[08:32:41] <Magnumes> good morning
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[08:41:44] <icebox> Magnumes: hey
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[08:44:57] <harn> I am trying to create a progressive web app in angular 5. Since angular 5 has built-in service-worker, I couldn't anyway to handle offline google analytics.So I thought of writing a script to change in the actual service-worker to handle the same. But if I change in the ngsw-worker file its not reflecting
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[08:54:28] <Elarcis> Yoo
[08:54:32] <Elarcis> Friday!
[08:54:41] <icebox> Elarcis: hey
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[08:55:30] <Elarcis> how
[08:55:31] <Elarcis> are
[08:55:35] <Elarcis> you?
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[08:59:20] <icebox> fine, thanks
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[09:29:30] <angularjs_baby> hey
[09:29:44] <Pyrrhus666> morning #angularjs
[09:29:54] <angularjs_baby> morning
[09:30:15] <icebox> angularjs_baby, Pyrrhus666: hey
[09:30:48] <angularjs_baby> hey icebox
[09:31:05] <angularjs_baby> I need a simple example of angular js example for inserting in php form using ajax
[09:31:17] <angularjs_baby> very simple code
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[09:32:15] <angularjs_baby> brb
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[09:40:54] <Elarcis> icebox: local overrides seem very very sweet
[09:41:12] <Elarcis> icebox: especially since I complained more than once that CSS tests disappear on page reload
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[09:43:42] <Elarcis> angularjs_baby: angularjs is back-end agnostic… any $http POST request will work for PHP forms, just don’t set your form’s action url to PHP and make the request later.
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[09:54:59] <icebox> angularjs_baby: googling "angularjs php ajax" I see a few relevant links... I suppose you read them from yesterday... what is your concern?
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[09:59:27] <angularjs_baby> icebox my concern is to insert into mysql via php form using ajax angularjs
[09:59:42] <icebox> angularjs_baby: that is not related to angularjs :)
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[10:00:45] <angularjs_baby> icebox what?
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[10:01:14] <angularjs_baby> not related to angularjs
[10:01:22] <icebox> angularjs_baby: as Elarcis explained, angularjs is back-end agnostic... call your endpoint and call the day
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[10:01:55] <angularjs_baby> Angularjs has ajax also true?
[10:02:07] <icebox> angularjs_baby: sure... and?
[10:02:35] <angularjs_baby> can you help me
[10:03:08] <icebox> angularjs_baby: about what? because it seems you are stuck there... what is your try and your concern?
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[10:03:32] <icebox> angularjs_baby: did you read the links you googled?
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[10:03:57] <angularjs_baby> Have you a link for a very simple code to accomplish this task?
[10:04:28] <ray02> Hello hello, good morning channel
[10:04:59] <icebox> angularjs_baby: please, see above
[10:05:03] <icebox> ray02: hey
[10:06:02] <Elarcis> angularjs_baby: we don’t give code samples here, only guidelines to find the solution :)
[10:06:36] <icebox> Elarcis: anyway there are complete examples in the links I suggested above
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[10:07:56] <icebox> preparing popcorns
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[10:09:01] <Pyrrhus666> can I haz ?
[10:09:14] <icebox> :P
[10:09:26] <Pyrrhus666> and morning Elarcis ray02
[10:09:49] <Elarcis> Good morning Pyrrhus666!
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[10:10:11] <ray02> Hey hey Pyrrhus666 and Elarcis
[10:10:18] <Pyrrhus666> OT: fiddling with modelines to get X working correctly, how 1u999 is that... I just did it for ubntu 17.10
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[10:10:38] <Pyrrhus666> hmm, a ´u´ got lost there...
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[10:12:32] <Pyrrhus666> claiming to know ´true nature of reality´ is a big no for me btw. it´s always a model.
[10:12:40] <Pyrrhus666> still : watching
[10:12:44] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: yes, watch it
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[10:13:04] <hnsz> In animations i would like to have each list item animate one by one. Can I change state of a next sibling depending on the state of the previous?
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[10:15:49] <hnsz> Elarcis: Thanks. I was looking at that but I cant figure out a way to make it work. All the items have the same triggername
[10:16:34] <hnsz> Elarcis: I dont know how to point to a next instance of that trigger
[10:16:38] <Elarcis> hnsz: well the full example is there, you just missed a detail
[10:16:57] <Elarcis> hnsz: also you don’t need to pass a next instance, stagger is meant to insert an arbitrary delay
[10:16:58] <hnsz> I will have a look, thanks
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[10:21:20] <hnsz> Elarcis: Okey I see how that works. Thanks a lot
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[10:32:07] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: see now that they didn’t pretend to explain what reality is? :P
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[10:33:09] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: OT: I am both really curious and really scared to understand what reality is. What if it is so mind boggling that knowing the true nature of existence just drives oneself mad or psychotic?
[10:33:56] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: what if it is so awesome that it brings oneself to personal completion and absolute self-acceptance?
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[10:34:39] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: what if I drank a lot this morning?
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[10:34:46] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, haven´t finished it yet, some annoying stuff called work got in the way ;)
[10:34:55] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: eek
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[10:35:51] <Pyrrhus666> my old physics teacher in high school was convinced the human brain was not capable enough to actually understand reality in detail.
[10:36:22] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: it’s very likely indeed
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[10:37:06] <Pyrrhus666> somebody else I knew adhered to the theory that if we were to know everything there is to know, we´d lose the will to live and die (I think there´s an asimov story along those lines)
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[10:40:53] <xochilpili> hi all
[10:41:43] <xochilpili> im trying to get mobile's geolocation; is this possible ?
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[10:47:04] <icebox> xochilpili: sure
[10:47:19] <icebox> xochilpili: but it is not related to angular(js) :)
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[10:57:11] <xochilpili> icebox, hey! how long!
[10:57:26] <icebox> xochilpili: hey
[10:57:29] <xochilpili> im dealing with geolocation i know its not angularjs related
[10:57:29] <xochilpili> :D
[10:57:39] <icebox> xochilpili: ok... so what is your approach?
[10:57:44] <xochilpili> but i have spent 2 hrs on this (less maybe :D)
[10:58:28] <icebox> xochilpili: or your context... you are on a mobile device... and?
[10:59:17] <xochilpili> icebox, im trying "to watch" the geolocation in my phone though my webpage
[10:59:36] <icebox> xochilpili: angular or angularjs?
[10:59:52] <xochilpili> but i cant show the current position; i have assigned manually "permissions" but ...
[10:59:54] <xochilpili> angularjs
[11:00:16] <xochilpili> yeh yeh, i have seen that page
[11:00:25] <icebox> xochilpili: ok
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[11:06:20] <Elarcis> xochilpili: what does your code look like?
[11:06:37] <Elarcis> xochilpili: it should be very straightforward
[11:06:56] <Elarcis> xochilpili: yet as unreliable as geoloc can get :P
[11:07:07] <xochilpili> Elarcis, just a sec, im trying something else
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[11:30:49] <icebox> :P cute
[11:31:16] <Pyrrhus666> I want to reincarnate as a cat (if anything)
[11:31:17] <icebox> cats are the real force of the world :)
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[11:35:04] <icebox> or 4am :)
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[11:50:37] <xochilpili> nemec, yes i am
[11:52:49] <xochilpili> icebox, ^ nice!
[11:53:23] <xochilpili> nemec, and of course, that link is not my current position; and also is not working on iphone; im walking and position never changes!!!!
[11:55:19] <xochilpili> ^ is not showing my current position ^
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[11:58:18] <nemec> which iphone you got there?
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[12:33:12] <Pyrrhus666> zomg, sounds cool...
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[12:39:18] <zomg> yep :D
[12:39:29] <zomg> irving has a whole album called godmode coming sometime soon I think
[12:39:53] <zomg> it seems it'll be a bit more metal sounding than his old stuff but if it's anything like the single, it'll be pretty damn good
[12:40:30] <Pyrrhus666> I like the metal/electronics mix. not too keen on the vocals coming in later though
[12:40:41] <zomg> I kinda like it
[12:40:46] <zomg> His old tracks had no vocals
[12:43:07] <Pyrrhus666> that looks/sounds like a john carpenter movie :)
[12:43:30] <zomg> entirely possible it was somewhat influenced :D
[12:43:47] <Pyrrhus666> wouldn´t surprise me :)
[12:45:19] <zomg> Huh, it just occurred to me that some of the melody in that new single was already in that video
[12:45:28] <zomg> I guess the album's been in the making for a while :D
[12:45:44] <Pyrrhus666> also: I should try playing ´beat hazard´ to that track, sounds like it would be excellent :)
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[12:54:12] <jlebrech> i'm am yet to find an angular tutorial that isn't out of date. angular really needs to give angular semver especially so you can follow guides that will work
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[12:55:07] <Pyrrhus666> angular has semver, since v4
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[12:56:27] <zomg> still trying to sort out this damn promise / no-promise issue I had yesterday
[12:56:34] <zomg> going through the code in the debugger
[12:56:37] <zomg> everything works exactly the same
[12:56:43] <zomg> everything is called in the same order
[12:56:46] <zomg> with seemingly same data
[12:56:47] <zomg> and yet
[12:56:49] <zomg> it just doesn't work
[12:57:02] <Pyrrhus666> zomg, I thought you´d leave it for your future self to figure out ? seems the future is now ;)
[12:57:09] <zomg> yeah
[12:57:16] <zomg> I set a deadline for today for it
[12:57:27] <zomg> if I can't find the issue today then I'm just going to add some real ugly kludge
[12:57:30] <zomg> :P
[12:57:57] <Pyrrhus666> I thought the promise was the kludge in the first place ?
[12:58:10] <zomg> it was more of a 'just in case' feature
[12:58:20] <zomg> but it really wasn't doing anything useful
[12:58:35] <jlebrech> Pyrrhus666: but people still refer to 5, when they make changes to route for example. they those tutorials might not work
[12:58:39] <jlebrech> then*
[12:58:53] <Pyrrhus666> jlebrech, that´s humans for you
[12:59:03] <jlebrech> :)
[12:59:32] <Pyrrhus666> also, problems like outdated tuts aren´t solved with semver. shit´s still gonna change, yo ;)
[13:01:15] <jlebrech> sure, tuts should tell user to use particular version of angular tho
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[13:02:59] <zomg> I think that's a fair point
[13:03:11] <zomg> I've probably written a few things which may be version-number specific without actually mentioning it
[13:03:22] <zomg> it's just hard to know up front whether the future versions of something are going to be compatible or not
[13:04:09] <Pyrrhus666> jlebrech, agreed
[13:05:55] <jlebrech> official guide has too many "..."s
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[13:09:15] <Pyrrhus666> the guide worked for me when starting out. it may not be perfect, but nothing ever is..
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[13:10:01] <Pyrrhus666> I mostly tend to grab the working stackblitz at the top of the page and play with that
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[13:12:10] <icebox> zomg: shall we help tou, please?
[13:12:12] <icebox> *you
[13:12:17] <zomg> huh?
[13:12:28] <icebox> zomg: about your promise affair
[13:12:31] <zomg> oh
[13:12:35] <zomg> it's too complicated :D
[13:12:39] <icebox> I see
[13:12:49] <zomg> it's like layers and layers of code and things that touch the data etc.
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[13:12:56] <icebox> I imagine that
[13:12:59] <zomg> but I appreciate the offer
[13:13:05] <icebox> no problem
[13:13:13] <zomg> I did get a bit further with it just now.. it seems to be an issue with the initial data load
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[13:13:32] <zomg> so I'm guessing there's some wonky thing going on with two objects of the same data which are actually different (or maybe same?) references and that somehow fucks it up
[13:13:58] <jlebrech> Pyrrhus666: at least there's something that work to refer to :) it like stackblitz it's quite useful
[13:14:27] <Pyrrhus666> jlebrech, it sure is. playing with working code is my favourite way to learn :)
[13:15:52] <jlebrech> hopefully in future frameworks won't need code for configuration, convention over configuration.
[13:16:14] <jlebrech> can't wait that long, my app drastically needs to update from 1.x
[13:16:46] <Pyrrhus666> jlebrech, I wouldn´t hold my breath...
[13:16:59] <icebox> jlebrech: "convention over configuration" doesn't like... see ember
[13:19:22] <jlebrech> making a big skeleton based on my current app :)
[13:19:33] <icebox> :P
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[13:23:16] <jlebrech> making components for different views: dashboard, login, view, etc
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[13:26:24] <jlebrech> k routing isn't that hard :)
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[13:28:01] <Pyrrhus666> jlebrech, it isn´t. although secondary routes can sometimes still confuse me :)
[13:28:21] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, they´re the best thing since sliced bread :)
[13:28:44] <icebox> :P
[13:29:19] <jlebrech> Pyrrhus666: nesting routes seems like a better way to do things too
[13:30:02] <Pyrrhus666> it´s separate uses in most cases, I think
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[13:35:13] <daedeloth> i'm trying to load an old backbone codebase into a brand new angular app to gradually transform the app to angular
[13:35:32] <daedeloth> but does anyone know if it's possible to make .angular-cli.json accept requirejs files?
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[13:39:28] <icebox> daedeloth: no
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[13:40:28] <icebox> daedeloth: anyway you can use some webpack plugin to bundle amd files
[13:40:32] <icebox> maybe
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[13:42:01] <alaing> Good morning
[13:43:13] <icebox> alaing: hey
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[13:45:28] <Elarcis> bleh, bleh bleh
[13:46:07] <alaing> just an update on me updating angular 1.2 app.....I've managed to get it up to 1.4 ;)
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[13:46:29] <alaing> just a question what does everyone use to test there there angularjs apps?
[13:46:46] <alaing> also what browsers & versions do you test for.
[13:47:05] <icebox> alaing: which kind of tests?
[13:47:13] <similian206> Hello lovely people - does anyone here know cairncorm or robotlegs ?
[13:47:18] <icebox> alaing: e2e tests?
[13:47:21] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, tgif ;)
[13:47:29] <alaing> basically everything
[13:47:46] <icebox> alaing: everything is not the answer and it doesn't make sense
[13:47:56] <icebox> alaing: which kind of tests?
[13:48:09] <alaing> e2e and unit testing
[13:48:30] <icebox> alaing: for unit tests whatever you like... from mocha to tape
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[13:49:00] <icebox> for e2e tests you may use protractor or puppeteer
[13:49:12] <icebox> framerowkr test runner karma
[13:49:23] <icebox> target browsers, the usual ones
[13:49:30] <icebox> *framework
[13:50:48] <alaing> Ok, so for this project i'm working on, it does use karma & propractor (i dont have much experience with it).
[13:50:50] <similian206> angular 2 >
[13:50:56] <similian206> >2
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[13:51:29] <Pyrrhus666> given a running angular app, how would I find out what the current locale is ? can´t seem to find anything...
[13:51:54] <similian206> Currently Event Handling and Databinding seems to be free for all in the past mature frontend frameworks developed so called micro archtectures
[13:52:22] <similian206> helping larger teams follow a streamline approach to component - service - view communication
[13:53:24] <similian206> mvvm mvcs mv* approaches
[13:54:46] <daedeloth> icebox, thanks; i think i managed to load the files; had to change the path a little but it seems to load. now trying to load the vendor files
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[13:55:00] <icebox> daedeloth: you are welcome
[13:55:54] <icebox> similian206: what is the question?
[13:58:17] <similian206> Is there a documented archtecture (pattern) for angular >2 beyond whats in the docs since that is too free for all
[13:58:31] <similian206> best practive mvvm mvc implementations if you want so
[13:59:23] <similian206> for example you can implement component to component communication (skip a main controller)
[13:59:24] <similian206> but you shouldnt
[14:00:17] <similian206> once flex matured to version 3 these micro archs or archs popped up and improved development speed in large teams insanely
[14:01:18] <similian206> gave teams of various skill level a structure
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[14:01:41] <similian206> skill gap seems to be huge in js/html5 ( maybe just the ones i have seen so far)
[14:02:12] <similian206> backend devs seem to be lacking component driven design knowledge
[14:02:34] <similian206> and web devs seem to be missing general design pattern knowledge
[14:02:57] <similian206> with flex we used these archs - cairngorm and robot legs as playbooks
[14:03:14] <similian206> it worked shockingly well
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[14:03:42] <icebox> similian206: app architecture is not directly related to the frontend framework...
[14:03:57] <similian206> before we port one of these ( or create one ) i wondered if these exist
[14:04:09] <icebox> similian206: you may use different approaches depending on your requirements
[14:04:26] <similian206> yes
[14:04:44] <icebox> similian206: angular (or other frontend libs) are (almost) architecture agnostic
[14:04:46] <similian206> so its free for all :D
[14:05:10] <similian206> yes flex itself ofcours was just a frontend framework
[14:05:19] <similian206> angular I would say is the same
[14:05:32] <similian206> after flex matured
[14:05:53] <similian206> these shared App Architectures were shared
[14:05:58] <similian206> guess .... its to arly
[14:06:53] <similian206> icebox i will definatly check these out
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[14:06:55] <similian206> thanks a lot
[14:06:58] <icebox> similian206: you are welcome
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[14:09:23] <icebox> similian206: well... about "backend devs seem to be lacking component driven design knowledge" and "web devs seem to be missing general design pattern knowledge" since ten years there is a lot of contamination between the two worlds...
[14:09:56] <icebox> nowadays we are experimenting the opposite... we have too much choice... the so-called js fatigue
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[14:10:56] <similian206> i completely agree
[14:11:24] <Elarcis> we still haven’t figured out the science of state management
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[14:12:25] <Pyrrhus666> ah yes, of course. constructor(@Inject(LOCALE_ID) locale: string) {}. why didn´t I think of that...
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[14:13:02] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, doesn´t matter, before we do, we´ll have something new ;)
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[14:14:51] <icebox> Elarcis: the science of state management === propaganda? or do you mean about programming? :P
[14:15:12] <similian206> large teams have difficulties to agree ( if its not top down ) on common patterns and rather rewrite bits and pieces of libs and packagemangers regularly :) - with flex (adobe) we had similar issues and where kind of rewiring our Desing Pattern ( and improving stuff by 5%) until we chose between 2-3 micro archs that basically forced a limited pattern set - which of course lead in some parts to more code but without the limit
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[14:15:39] <similian206> for the same purpose ( 2wayDataBind, Event-Command)
[14:15:56] <icebox> similian206: yep... but it is more about team seniority :)
[14:16:06] <icebox> not about tech details
[14:16:38] <Elarcis> icebox: programming
[14:16:48] <icebox> Elarcis: ah ok :)
[14:17:05] <similian206> maturity =D yes
[14:17:22] <similian206> I have 3 different teams completly different companies
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[14:17:31] <similian206> where two senior architects
[14:18:06] <icebox> similian206: usually the convergence on good architecture and dev workflow in an experienced team is quite fast compared to a less mature one
[14:18:43] <similian206> fight over lets say mediator pattern versus command chain
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[14:19:14] <icebox> :) classical fight :)
[14:19:56] <similian206> yeah so what wee do we let the seniors decided in a separate room
[14:20:10] <similian206> so usually it is kind of top down
[14:20:14] <icebox> I prefer command one if I need to debug it, but runtime I prefer the mediator patter :) because it is more flexible... but I suppose it is matter of tastes :)
[14:21:16] <similian206> yeah i have worked with both and each has its ups and downs - but its best to use one -
[14:21:45] <similian206> i know its hilarious - but iam at that stage
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[14:22:46] <similian206> guess this is to be solved on team level ... so thanks for your feebdack
[14:22:55] <similian206> i just remembered
[14:23:06] <similian206> that when robotlegs and cairngorm came
[14:23:22] <similian206> all the bull* discussions were gone
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[14:26:26] <icebox> similian206: you are welcome
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[14:31:33] <sonda> angular.js 1.x
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[14:32:49] <sonda> if i put too may widgets in gridster, performance affected while filtering
[14:36:08] <icebox> sonda: never used
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[14:38:19] <icebox> sonda: what is your use case? giving a sort of layout for the widgets?
[14:39:52] <icebox> sonda: nowadays you may use css grids or css flexbox for the containers
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[14:40:47] <icebox> sonda: then, if you need to arrange them, you may use dragula :)
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[14:56:42] <sonda> widgets can be movedaround in gridster.. can be resized
[14:57:22] <sonda> it lays out automatically
[14:58:35] <sonda> in each widget i am displaying charts
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[15:01:12] <Elarcis> dust is 80% skin.
[15:01:18] <Elarcis> you breathe dust.
[15:01:38] <Elarcis> so you breathe people.
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[15:01:55] <icebox> please
[15:02:09] <Elarcis> icebox: :P
[15:02:23] <Pyrrhus666> DUST IS PEOPLE !
[15:02:44] <Pyrrhus666> and people are star stuff. so you breathe stars.
[15:03:33] <ray02> to here the ispiration from the song of david bowe "star man"
[15:04:05] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: we breathe the Universe
[15:04:13] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: but we also are the universe
[15:04:14] <Pyrrhus666> ray02, he probably breathed something intoxicating when thinking that up
[15:04:23] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: so the Universe breathe itself
[15:05:02] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, also, we are the result of either nuclear fusion or radioactive decay, or both.
[15:05:02] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: therefore the Earth is flat
[15:05:17] <ray02> Pyrrhus666 to us the pleasure of the doubpt
[15:05:22] <Pyrrhus666> ha, bendy water doesn´t exist
[15:05:32] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: nah, heavier elements are formed when stars explode into supernovas
[15:05:42] <Pyrrhus666> (srlsy, a flat-earther called a ball earth with oceans ´bendy water´)
[15:06:03] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, that would result in fusion, no ?
[15:06:26] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: in a sense yes
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[15:08:49] <sonda> icebox: i guess dragula is usable only in angular and 1.x
[15:09:43] <sonda> i mean not in 1.x
[15:09:57] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, I was always taught that this was literally fusion... oh well what´s in a name :)
[15:10:37] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: just nomenclature
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[15:13:40] <icebox> sonda: it is for angularjs (1.x)
[15:14:36] <zomg> ugh I give up
[15:14:41] <zomg> git reset --hard HEAD
[15:14:45] <zomg> bye
[15:14:45] <zomg> :D
[15:14:49] <icebox> :)
[15:15:27] <zomg> this is what happens when the company has only one person who actually knows how software of this scale needs to be architected
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[15:15:50] <zomg> and that person also has several other tasks that they need to deal with, so someone else also ends up doing something kind of too complicated for them to build in a nice way
[15:15:53] <zomg> :P
[15:16:08] <Pyrrhus666> zomg, just leave it for future you ;)
[15:16:16] <icebox> agreed... anyway I would give time to the that task until Monday
[15:16:17] <zomg> I mean it's a functional piece of code and it's not the worst thing in the world but... it's just really hard to debug when there's no clear flow of data
[15:16:36] <sonda> oh ok. I'll check it out. Looks quiet simple. Thanks icebox :)
[15:16:38] <zomg> sometimes data comes in from one way.. sometimes it comes in from elsewhere... and sometimes it seems it actually comes in from this third party UI lib that we're using
[15:16:50] <zomg> and in those cases it comes purely by magic of sharing the same reference to an object
[15:17:02] <zomg> which is obviously a terrible terrible idea...
[15:17:17] <icebox> zomg: that is the problem when no state management lib is used
[15:17:25] <icebox> debugging isa nightmare
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[15:17:49] <zomg> not even that because it's some random library for doing this particular complex UI bit
[15:17:51] <icebox> if the app is not a pet-app
[15:17:57] <zomg> good fucking luck integrating anything into it
[15:17:58] <zomg> :D
[15:18:40] <zomg> we have reasonable state management but it gets complicated in this scale especially when this aspect of the program was pretty much entirely new and I didn't have time to check everything when it was being added
[15:18:40] <icebox> ah... and I am sure the solution is as simple as one line :)
[15:19:14] <zomg> it's not just your usual REST API calls for moving data around, this is basically a fairly complicated WYSIWYG editor
[15:19:24] <zomg> but yeah
[15:19:27] <zomg> the fix is probably fairly simple
[15:19:31] <zomg> but good luck finding where the issue is
[15:19:31] <zomg> :D
[15:19:32] <icebox> ok... "one" line
[15:20:31] <similian206> ice how do you fare about mock apis ? do your offer a fully fledged mock backend for your frontend devs in your projects or do you develop agains live backends and mock on thy fly ?
[15:21:20] <icebox> similian206: good question
[15:22:22] <similian206> sometimes mocking the backend costs more time than implementing on your server
[15:22:28] <similian206> in the past angular 2
[15:22:32] <icebox> generally speaking, live backend and mock on the fly... but it depends on the project
[15:22:35] <similian206> we used the test mock classes
[15:22:41] <similian206> (missued ;) )
[15:22:45] <similian206> but that was amazing
[15:22:49] <similian206> now thats gone
[15:22:58] <similian206> and we are in the void
[15:23:27] <icebox> nowadays creating a running backend is quite fast
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[15:24:04] <similian206> yeah - agree - start building agains mock - refactor to live - done
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[15:40:56] <pdobrogost> Hi all!
[15:41:12] <pdobrogost> What's wrong with the following expression?
[15:41:12] <pdobrogost> ng-init="row.checked = (typeof row.checked === 'undefined') ? (can_take_group_action(row) ? false : null) : row.checked"
[15:41:59] <Pyrrhus666> ng-init can only evaluate angular expressions, not full js, so my guess is that typeof doesn´t work
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[15:42:24] <Pyrrhus666> make it a function and your problem disappears
[15:42:30] <pdobrogost> ok, thanks
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[15:45:47] <azman> hi, can someone please help me , i am a brand new here and just started with angular
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[15:48:23] <azman> i am trying to figure out how to make a input field for the search access the back-end and list the result. I am not using any form in backend
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[15:51:41] <Pyrrhus666> aaaaaaaaaand they´re gone
[15:52:08] <Pyrrhus666> well fuck you then
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[16:03:52] <ray02> Pyrrhus666 ?
[16:04:37] <Pyrrhus666> ray02, just reacting to someone leaving when I´m writing an answer. that grates my nerves, hence the f word.
[16:05:07] * similian206 taps Pyrrhus666 on the back.
[16:05:35] <Pyrrhus666> I´d rather have a beer, but I´ll take the comfort :P
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[16:09:44] <Snugglebash> its friday friday friday
[16:09:54] <Pyrrhus666> TGIF !
[16:10:11] <Pyrrhus666> 45 minutes and counting...
[16:10:16] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: the answer is in the docs :) about "search access"
[16:10:37] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, yes, I was just about to say that and post the links...
[16:10:37] <Snugglebash> icebox: thank god
[16:11:17] <icebox> anyway marked, tagged and logged :)
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[16:12:15] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, que ?
[16:12:55] <icebox> nick, ip address
[16:13:19] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, ah, ok :)
[16:13:55] <icebox> :P
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[16:26:55] <sonda> icebox: the othertime i asked you a wrong question.. Instead of asking best alternatives for gridster, are there any good modules for creating the dashboard that has multiple widgets with charts on them
[16:27:19] <sonda> i am using angular-nvd3 for charts
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[16:37:09] <icebox> sonda: no problem :)
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[16:37:27] <icebox> sonda: I have been using directly d3
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[16:38:17] <sonda> written your own directives for encapsulating d3??
[16:38:43] <icebox> sonda: yes, I did
[16:39:14] <icebox> sonda: if your widgets are simple sparklines or ohlc charts :)
[16:39:51] <sonda> basically pie charts, bar charts, multi bar charts... nothing else
[16:40:30] <icebox> sonda: so no need to use something else, if you have a working d3 code :)
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[16:41:27] <icebox> sonda: basically you add your d3 code in the link method and you can call the day
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[16:42:18] <sonda> :)
[16:42:42] <icebox> off in a few minutes... by
[16:42:44] <icebox> bye
[16:42:52] <sonda> bye
[16:42:54] <icebox> have a nice weekend
[16:42:56] <Pyrrhus666> bye
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[16:45:34] <sonda> you too :)
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[16:59:37] <max_at> Wish you a great weekend guys.
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[17:04:58] <angrybacon> Hello, I can't figure out why is `$sce.trustAsResourceUrl(url)` changing https into http
[17:05:15] <angrybacon> Where `url` is the URL of an iframe
[17:05:20] <angrybacon> Any idea?
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[17:38:17] <similian206> byecebox
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[17:57:23] <similian206> is it okay
[17:57:40] <similian206> if i create a component called my-row
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[17:57:59] <similian206> and it just does <some boostrap bullshit><ng-content></end>
[17:58:14] <similian206> iam removing html completly from my app
[17:58:19] <similian206> ready my code
[17:58:25] <similian206> is like eating a rainbow
[17:58:40] <similian206> yet - i feel like this might impact performance
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[18:05:28] <similian206> <horizontal-box>
[18:06:44] <similian206> ^- merge bloiler plate css and html into this one
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[18:09:41] <wafflejock> similian206 I wouldn't worry about performance with something like that, perhaps if it's a component you plan to use in a repeater/ngFor and will have 10,000 instances then consider optimizations but don't optimize early
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[18:10:32] <similian206> mh i see thanks for the hint
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[18:46:54] <similian206> guys short remark from the machine room
[18:47:02] <similian206> this stuff just works
[18:47:05] <similian206> all of it
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