February 28, 2018 
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February 28, 2018 [00:06:15] *** TR1950X <TR1950X!~jinxi@159-169-145-85.ftth.glasoperator.nl> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:06:54] *** Doginal <Doginal!~agriggs@unaffiliated/doginal> has quit IRC (Quit: Doginal)[00:08:06] *** TR1950X <TR1950X!~jinxi@159-169-145-85.ftth.glasoperator.nl> has joined #angularjs[00:10:12] *** fairuz <fairuz!~textual@unaffiliated/fairuz> has joined #angularjs[00:16:06] *** Bavramor <Bavramor!~bavramor@ipservice-092-208-046-243.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[00:19:18] *** Snugglebash <Snugglebash!~textual@host86-143-227-90.range86-143.btcentralplus.com> has joined #angularjs[00:19:21] *** TR1950X <TR1950X!~jinxi@159-169-145-85.ftth.glasoperator.nl> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:19:47] *** eremitah <eremitah!~int@unaffiliated/eremitah> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[00:20:13] *** TR1950X <TR1950X!~jinxi@159-169-145-85.ftth.glasoperator.nl> has joined #angularjs[00:21:24] *** LennardW <LennardW!~LennardW@ip503cfcfb.speed.planet.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[00:21:39] *** wafflejock <wafflejock!~wafflejoc@12.106.136.114> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…)[00:49:08] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@unaffiliated/max-at/x-2708233> has joined #angularjs[00:50:56] *** siovene <siovene!uid16530@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-efdluatpczfiqusq> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[00:51:46] *** Lynxium <Lynxium!~Lynxium@bzq-79-183-63-248.red.bezeqint.net> has joined #angularjs[00:52:19] *** Doginal <Doginal!~agriggs@unaffiliated/doginal> has joined #angularjs[00:55:07] *** eremitah <eremitah!~int@unaffiliated/eremitah> has joined #angularjs[00:56:02] *** Doginal <Doginal!~agriggs@unaffiliated/doginal> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:56:11] <qbolt> The issue is that ngrx reactive forms doesn't pair well with ngrx/store[00:56:18] <qbolt> Not at all actually[00:58:09] *** LennardW <LennardW!~LennardW@ip503cfcfb.speed.planet.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[00:58:49] *** LennardW|afk <LennardW|afk!~LennardW@ip503cfcfb.speed.planet.nl> has joined #angularjs[00:59:02] *** LennardW|afk is now known as LennardW[00:59:12] *** eremitah_ <eremitah_!~int@unaffiliated/eremitah> has joined #angularjs[01:01:02] *** eremitah <eremitah!~int@unaffiliated/eremitah> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[01:01:02] *** eremitah_ is now known as eremitah[01:11:12] *** wafflejock <wafflejock!~wafflejoc@c-71-57-56-220.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has joined #angularjs[01:12:36] *** Doginal <Doginal!~agriggs@unaffiliated/doginal> has joined #angularjs[01:12:40] *** Doginal <Doginal!~agriggs@unaffiliated/doginal> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[01:15:51] *** Doginal <Doginal!~agriggs@unaffiliated/doginal> has joined #angularjs[01:16:00] *** denise <denise!d49a177c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.154.23.124> has joined #angularjs[01:16:13] <denise> Hello[01:16:24] *** denise is now known as Guest201[01:16:47] <Guest201> hello[01:20:54] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@unaffiliated/max-at/x-2708233> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[01:22:57] *** Guest201 <Guest201!d49a177c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.154.23.124> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[01:23:33] *** despai <despai!~despai@ip5658b122.direct-adsl.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: ...)[01:24:14] *** qbolt <qbolt!c7bf5102@gateway/web/freenode/ip.199.191.81.2> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[01:35:12] *** eremitah <eremitah!~int@unaffiliated/eremitah> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[01:36:33] *** Doginal <Doginal!~agriggs@unaffiliated/doginal> has quit IRC (Quit: Doginal)[01:37:54] *** John_Ivan <John_Ivan!~John_Ivan@unaffiliated/john-ivan/x-3287162> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[01:38:18] *** kexmex <kexmex!~kexmex@unaffiliated/kexmex> has joined #angularjs[01:43:16] *** eremitah <eremitah!~int@unaffiliated/eremitah> has joined #angularjs[01:48:01] *** eremitah <eremitah!~int@unaffiliated/eremitah> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[01:51:12] *** ASUChander <ASUChander!~asuchande@cpe-24-211-232-14.nc.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[01:51:44] *** ASUChander <ASUChander!~asuchande@cpe-24-211-232-14.nc.res.rr.com> has joined #angularjs[01:52:55] *** eremitah <eremitah!~int@unaffiliated/eremitah> has joined #angularjs[01:54:39] *** alxy <alxy!uid115853@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-knfdrdjerkxfqbkf> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[02:01:43] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@unaffiliated/max-at/x-2708233> has joined #angularjs[02:06:05] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@unaffiliated/max-at/x-2708233> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[02:11:55] *** Doginal <Doginal!~agriggs@unaffiliated/doginal> has joined #angularjs[02:20:26] *** DanielKarp <DanielKarp!~textual@pool-96-231-22-56.washdc.fios.verizon.net> has joined #angularjs[02:20:26] *** DanielKarp <DanielKarp!~textual@pool-96-231-22-56.washdc.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[02:32:24] *** dipser <dipser!~dipser@ip1f12a46f.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has quit IRC (Quit: dipser)[02:45:13] *** ReScO <ReScO!~resco@unaffiliated/resco> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[02:45:26] <BlinkyBill_> I have a service that outputs values as observable. How can my service know when there are no more subscribers to a particular observable?[02:54:52] *** pmercado <pmercado!~pmercado@191.112.15.49> has joined #angularjs[02:57:57] *** marr <marr!~ccc@77-253-112-252.adsl.inetia.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[03:03:40] *** Guest23556 <Guest23556!~irssi@upldz.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal)[03:03:47] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@unaffiliated/max-at/x-2708233> has joined #angularjs[03:08:47] *** u0m3 <u0m3!~u0m3@188.27.122.117> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[03:09:37] *** u0m3 <u0m3!~u0m3@188.27.122.117> has joined #angularjs[03:14:57] *** Zeioth <Zeioth!~Zeioth@44.red-83-38-174.dynamicip.rima-tde.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[03:20:55] *** JBreit <JBreit!~JBreit@2601:985:300:f422::5362> has joined #angularjs[03:27:46] *** ams__ <ams__!uid48118@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dkaonfsxxeqigdeu> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[03:28:55] *** replay <replay!~replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[03:30:05] *** {DV8} <{DV8}!~Deviate@135-23-72-68.cpe.pppoe.ca> has joined #angularjs[03:30:14] *** strike_ <strike_!~strike@2.27.123.231> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:30:44] *** strike_ <strike_!~strike@2.27.123.231> has joined #angularjs[03:36:05] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@unaffiliated/max-at/x-2708233> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[03:45:07] *** eremitah <eremitah!~int@unaffiliated/eremitah> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[03:56:20] *** eago <eago!~eago@go01-151.dialin.iskon.hr> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:56:56] *** eago <eago!~eago@go01-151.dialin.iskon.hr> has joined #angularjs[04:30:57] *** Lynxium <Lynxium!~Lynxium@bzq-79-183-63-248.red.bezeqint.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[04:33:27] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@unaffiliated/max-at/x-2708233> has joined #angularjs[04:51:05] *** al-damiri <al-damiri!uid142631@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wjrxuhfqzzgywsvq> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[04:55:08] *** JBreit2 <JBreit2!~JBreit@2601:985:300:f422:a8ab:b7f2:bb2c:8066> has joined #angularjs[04:56:27] *** JBreit <JBreit!~JBreit@2601:985:300:f422::5362> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[04:58:15] *** CssNoOb <CssNoOb!~devteam@203.190.74.70> has joined #angularjs[05:05:53] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@unaffiliated/max-at/x-2708233> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[05:17:06] *** jsightler is now known as jsightler_afk[05:19:05] *** sbellina <sbellina!~sbellina@104.250.122.26> has joined #angularjs[05:20:14] *** kexmex <kexmex!~kexmex@unaffiliated/kexmex> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[05:47:51] *** Zames <Zames!~Mutter@112.198.76.131> has joined #angularjs[05:48:44] <ringzer0> I am running express locally on port 3000. Angular-cli is running ng serve on 4200 (with my proxy.conf.js). My proxy.conf.js has const proxyConfig = [ { "/api": { target:'http://localhost:000, secure:false } } ] ... but it appears as though my Angular Routes are not letting it hit the proxy (i'm not sure). Angular HttpClient is sending the call to: http://localhost:4200/api/objects/list ... with[05:48:50] <ringzer0> the this.http.get('/object/list') . Obviously something is prefexing my ajax request with /api - but I do not see any expressJS traffic; and the response is a 404.[05:49:47] <ringzer0> I have followed this guide, but it appears as though AngularCli is taking the request.[05:51:36] <ringzer0> ... I look in my app-routing.module.ts, and I see const routes: Routes =[ { path: '*', redirectTo '', pathMatch 'full' } ];[05:51:55] *** sbellina <sbellina!~sbellina@104.250.122.26> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[05:52:00] <ringzer0> But I would think that would even produce a 301 redirect[05:52:45] *** adminu <adminu!~admin@29.94-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be> has joined #angularjs[05:53:01] *** Zames <Zames!~Mutter@112.198.76.131> has quit IRC (Quit: Mutter: www.mutterirc.com)[05:53:36] *** sbellina <sbellina!~sbellina@104.250.122.26> has joined #angularjs[05:54:51] *** eago <eago!~eago@go01-151.dialin.iskon.hr> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:55:18] *** eago <eago!~eago@go01-151.dialin.iskon.hr> has joined #angularjs[05:55:27] *** gvhoecke_ <gvhoecke_!~admin@109.131.246.154> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[05:55:36] *** eago <eago!~eago@go01-151.dialin.iskon.hr> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[05:56:01] <ringzer0> Interesting: http://localhost:4200/api/object/list - in the browser address bar, produces a 200 ... and with the ajax request, produces a 400[05:56:15] *** Zames <Zames!~Mutter@112.198.76.131> has joined #angularjs[05:58:37] *** Zames <Zames!~Mutter@112.198.76.131> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[06:03:19] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@aftr-88-217-181-218.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has joined #angularjs[06:03:19] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@aftr-88-217-181-218.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has quit IRC (Changing host)[06:03:19] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@unaffiliated/max-at/x-2708233> has joined #angularjs[06:13:44] *** re1 <re1!~reiser@node-4ly.pool-118-172.dynamic.totbb.net> has joined #angularjs[06:16:48] *** re1 <re1!~reiser@node-4ly.pool-118-172.dynamic.totbb.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[06:18:55] *** sbellina <sbellina!~sbellina@104.250.122.26> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[06:21:22] *** re1 <re1!~reiser@node-4ly.pool-118-172.dynamic.totbb.net> has joined #angularjs[06:22:27] *** re1 <re1!~reiser@node-4ly.pool-118-172.dynamic.totbb.net> has quit IRC (Max SendQ exceeded)[06:23:02] *** re1 <re1!~reiser@node-4ly.pool-118-172.dynamic.totbb.net> has joined #angularjs[06:23:13] *** pmercado <pmercado!~pmercado@191.112.15.49> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[06:24:08] *** re1 <re1!~reiser@node-4ly.pool-118-172.dynamic.totbb.net> has quit IRC (Max SendQ exceeded)[06:24:42] *** re1 <re1!~reiser@node-4ly.pool-118-172.dynamic.totbb.net> has joined #angularjs[06:25:17] *** MJD <MJD!~quassel@scadrial.mjdsystems.ca> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:25:40] *** MJD <MJD!~quassel@scadrial.mjdsystems.ca> has joined #angularjs[06:25:48] *** L33tCh <L33tCh!~L33tCh@196.214.169.170> has joined #angularjs[06:27:24] *** MJD <MJD!~quassel@scadrial.mjdsystems.ca> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:28:19] *** MJD <MJD!~quassel@scadrial.mjdsystems.ca> has joined #angularjs[06:32:16] *** observatorycake <observatorycake!~shundread@88-112-107-62.elisa-laajakaista.fi> has joined #angularjs[06:36:43] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@unaffiliated/max-at/x-2708233> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[06:43:41] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has joined #angularjs[06:47:42] <L33tCh> Hey all... Anyone have some experience with protractor on the latest Angular CLI? We cannot get scrolling to work when running the e2e tests.[06:49:36] *** sbellina <sbellina!~sbellina@104.250.122.34> has joined #angularjs[06:50:44] *** CssNoOb <CssNoOb!~devteam@203.190.74.70> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[06:52:08] *** led_ir22 <led_ir22!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has quit IRC (Quit: led_ir22)[06:52:53] *** re1 <re1!~reiser@node-4ly.pool-118-172.dynamic.totbb.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[06:53:16] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:53:34] *** re1 <re1!~reiser@node-4gs.pool-118-173.dynamic.totbb.net> has joined #angularjs[06:55:14] *** strike_ <strike_!~strike@2.27.123.231> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:55:45] *** strike_ <strike_!~strike@2.27.123.231> has joined #angularjs[06:56:44] *** myoung is now known as myoung|zzz[06:58:51] *** lf94 <lf94!~lf94@mtrlpq4806w-lp130-02-70-29-175-99.dsl.bell.ca> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[07:01:31] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@aftr-88-217-181-218.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has joined #angularjs[07:01:31] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@aftr-88-217-181-218.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has quit IRC (Changing host)[07:01:31] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@unaffiliated/max-at/x-2708233> has joined #angularjs[07:24:13] *** sbellina <sbellina!~sbellina@104.250.122.34> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[07:26:57] *** virtualeyes1 <virtualeyes1!~virtualey@96.30.101.76> has joined #angularjs[07:28:27] *** virtualeyes <virtualeyes!~virtualey@96.30.100.203> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[07:36:06] *** led1 <led1!Thunderbir@nat/ibm/x-yogaztpjwdmbgiqv> has joined #angularjs[07:36:39] *** ngm <ngm!~nishanth@183.82.187.154> has joined #angularjs[07:39:02] *** led1 <led1!Thunderbir@nat/ibm/x-yogaztpjwdmbgiqv> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:41:19] *** led1 <led1!Thunderbir@nat/ibm/x-kfftprddnrmxjngo> has joined #angularjs[07:50:38] *** soee <soee!~soee@aauy165.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #angularjs[07:55:00] *** soee_ <soee_!~soee@user-94-254-237-35.play-internet.pl> has joined #angularjs[07:55:47] *** soee <soee!~soee@aauy165.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[07:55:55] *** punknroll <punknroll!~Thunderbi@p83-219-165-60.snwdip.snw.at> has joined #angularjs[07:59:38] *** fairuz <fairuz!~textual@unaffiliated/fairuz> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[08:01:04] *** LennardW <LennardW!~LennardW@ip503cfcfb.speed.planet.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[08:01:37] *** fairuz <fairuz!~textual@unaffiliated/fairuz> has joined #angularjs[08:02:02] *** LennardW|afk <LennardW|afk!~LennardW@ip503cfcfb.speed.planet.nl> has joined #angularjs[08:02:14] *** LennardW|afk is now known as LennardW[08:17:13] *** Triangular <Triangular!tri@109.255.147.174> has joined #angularjs[08:20:20] *** icebox <icebox!05591d15@gateway/web/freenode/ip.5.89.29.21> has joined #angularjs[08:20:26] <icebox> hey folks[08:42:45] *** tkore <tkore!~tkore@bzq-82-80-147-51.red.bezeqint.net> has joined #angularjs[08:42:45] *** tkore <tkore!~tkore@bzq-82-80-147-51.red.bezeqint.net> has quit IRC (Changing host)[08:42:45] *** tkore <tkore!~tkore@unaffiliated/ardethian> has joined #angularjs[08:49:52] *** {DV8} <{DV8}!~Deviate@135-23-72-68.cpe.pppoe.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[08:50:47] *** fairuz <fairuz!~textual@unaffiliated/fairuz> has quit IRC (Quit: 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<alxy!uid115853@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qkrvmyivptbjrtwk> has joined #angularjs[09:14:13] *** jhadvig <jhadvig!jhadvig@nat/redhat/x-cpbfejjbetwvulxp> has joined #angularjs[09:14:57] *** gdainti <gdainti!~textual@93.92.203.37> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[09:15:59] *** Pyrrhus666 <Pyrrhus666!~Pyrrhus66@157.97.112.115> has joined #angularjs[09:19:11] *** tkore\work <tkore\work!~tkore@bzq-82-80-147-51.static.bezeqint.net> has joined #angularjs[09:19:11] *** tkore\work <tkore\work!~tkore@bzq-82-80-147-51.static.bezeqint.net> has quit IRC (Changing host)[09:19:11] *** tkore\work <tkore\work!~tkore@unaffiliated/ardethian> has joined #angularjs[09:19:29] <Elarcis> hello Pyrrhus666[09:19:45] <Pyrrhus666> morning Elarcis icebox #angularjs[09:19:49] *** sumyunseal1 <sumyunseal1!~sumyunsea@cpe-75-82-22-197.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[09:20:16] <Pyrrhus666> back after a couple of days sick, and currently wondering if that was a good idea.[09:20:57] *** tkore <tkore!~tkore@unaffiliated/ardethian> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[09:21:41] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: definitely not :P[09:21:46] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: hey[09:22:03] <icebox> OT: https://bleedingedgepress.com/creating-interfaces-bulma/[09:22:43] *** Pyrrhus6661 <Pyrrhus6661!~Pyrrhus66@157.97.112.115> has joined #angularjs[09:24:33] *** Pyrrhus666 <Pyrrhus666!~Pyrrhus66@157.97.112.115> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[09:25:31] *** cotko4 <cotko4!~ahmed@89-212-138-82.static.t-2.net> has joined #angularjs[09:27:25] <Elarcis> icebox: niiiice[09:27:29] <Elarcis> icebox: Bulma seems nice[09:27:44] <icebox> yep, it is[09:27:47] <Elarcis> icebox: I’d like to try it and prove it’s yet another CSS framework I despise[09:27:49] <Elarcis> icebox: :P[09:27:57] <Elarcis> icebox: (jk, I just would like to try it)[09:28:11] <Pyrrhus6661> and you will despise it[09:28:14] <Elarcis> brb, support time[09:28:17] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus6661: probably[09:32:24] *** Pyrrhus6661 is now known 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SargoDarya[10:23:39] <icebox> SargoDarya: hey[10:23:56] <icebox> jlebrech: ok... anyway we are here :)[10:23:57] <SargoDarya> Did I miss something?[10:24:01] <icebox> SargoDarya: no[10:24:19] <jlebrech> icebox: might work on that again today :)[10:25:37] *** tarnus <tarnus!~tarnus@2602:306:bcff:2b00:9086:eead:e7cd:59d5> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[10:26:21] *** Babalel <Babalel!c5f553ec@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.197.245.83.236> has joined #angularjs[10:26:26] <SargoDarya> Gotta love trying to debug the CI system.[10:27:30] *** ngm <ngm!~nishanth@183.82.187.154> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:27:47] *** Snugglebash <Snugglebash!~textual@80.168.21.194> has joined #angularjs[10:27:53] *** ngm <ngm!~nishanth@183.82.187.154> has joined #angularjs[10:31:17] *** Anticom <Anticom!~Anticom@2001:67c:2184:410:38:d06a:a0e1:6a5> has joined #angularjs[10:31:51] *** one_zero <one_zero!~one_zero@ip68-96-100-24.lv.lv.cox.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[10:32:44] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@unaffiliated/max-at/x-2708233> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:33:16] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@aftr-88-217-181-218.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has joined #angularjs[10:33:16] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@aftr-88-217-181-218.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has quit IRC (Changing host)[10:33:16] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@unaffiliated/max-at/x-2708233> has joined #angularjs[10:37:40] <icebox> OT: stealth mode https://twitter.com/danarel/status/954365286488010752[10:37:58] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@unaffiliated/max-at/x-2708233> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[10:45:49] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:46:58] <Elarcis> icebox: oh, MEGA is still a thing? :D[10:47:42] <icebox> Elarcis: no idea if it is the same thing[10:50:10] <Elarcis> icebox: lol, my company proxy blocks it[10:50:30] <Pyrrhus666> nosecurity4you...[10:51:57] <Pyrrhus666> also, for cloud stuff, https://cryptomator.org/ is nice.[10:53:12] *** SuperTyp <SuperTyp!c3410109@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.195.65.1.9> has joined #angularjs[10:53:21] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has joined #angularjs[10:53:41] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@217.111.93.34> has joined #angularjs[10:53:41] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@217.111.93.34> has quit IRC (Changing host)[10:53:41] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@unaffiliated/max-at/x-2708233> has joined #angularjs[10:55:01] *** Elarcis <Elarcis!~Elarcis@webdefence-pool-02.cluster-d.forcepoint.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:55:21] *** adminp <adminp!~ronald@24-176-228-82.static.snlo.ca.charter.com> has joined #angularjs[10:55:21] *** Elarcis <Elarcis!~Elarcis@webdefence-pool-02.cluster-d.forcepoint.net> has joined #angularjs[10:55:22] <SuperTyp> hi all[10:55:33] <Pyrrhus666> morning SuperTyp[10:57:45] *** Mattch <Mattch!~mrichar1@w5430.see.ed.ac.uk> has joined #angularjs[10:58:02] <icebox> SuperTyp: hey[10:58:30] <icebox> sigh... still FF doesn't support type="module"... only setting dom.moduleScripts.enabled[10:58:36] <SuperTyp> so...say I have an overlay, with tabs and depending on where you click on the dashboard the overlay shows different details in the tabs[10:58:49] <SuperTyp> I have solved this using dynamic component loading[10:58:54] <icebox> ok[10:59:08] <SuperTyp> do you think this is a good approach?[10:59:15] *** fixl <fixl!fixl@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/fixl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[10:59:18] <icebox> classical tabs approach[10:59:41] <SuperTyp> icebox: ignore the tabs[11:00:02] <icebox> ah... :) I would ignore the lazy loading :)[11:00:14] <SuperTyp> why?[11:00:25] <SuperTyp> and how would this work?[11:00:32] <icebox> because it depends on the size of the feature[11:00:42] *** JBreit2 <JBreit2!~JBreit@2601:985:300:f422:a8ab:b7f2:bb2c:8066> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[11:01:07] *** JBreit <JBreit!~JBreit@2601:985:300:f422::5362> has joined 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have one overlay in my app component and the click on an entity toggles the open/closed state[11:06:26] <Elarcis> SuperTyp: lazy loading… like loading an angular module, or just dynamically compiling templates on tab change?[11:06:38] *** StatefulBloke <StatefulBloke!~rianalouw@host-88-217-175-9.customer.m-online.net> has joined #angularjs[11:06:41] <SuperTyp> :S ignore the tabs guys xD[11:06:42] *** jhadvig <jhadvig!jhadvig@nat/redhat/x-cpbfejjbetwvulxp> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[11:06:52] <SuperTyp> dynamically compiling and showing templates[11:06:54] <Elarcis> SuperTyp: ok let me retry[11:06:57] <Elarcis> SuperTyp: SuperTyp: lazy loading… like loading an angular module, or just dynamically compiling templates?[11:06:58] <SuperTyp> like here https://angular.io/guide/dynamic-component-loader[11:07:13] <Elarcis> SuperTyp: you’re asking us a question but are telling us to ignore what the question is 50% about[11:07:56] <Elarcis> SuperTyp: yes, and? I’m not sure where you want us to go[11:08:07] *** led1 <led1!Thunderbir@nat/ibm/x-kfftprddnrmxjngo> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[11:08:11] <Elarcis> SuperTyp: you’re asking us if a a given method is a good approach in <ignore the context>[11:08:13] <Pyrrhus666> that[11:08:14] <SuperTyp> ok, let me continue then[11:08:19] *** led1 <led1!Thunderbir@nat/ibm/x-feoereiniwhucjmt> has joined #angularjs[11:08:21] <Pyrrhus666> ´s not aot-compatible, right ?[11:08:23] <Elarcis> SuperTyp: any method is a good approach if you ignore the context[11:08:34] <icebox> lazy loading is overrated[11:08:58] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, well, for routed modules it´s very nice and easy, but yes, you have a point.[11:09:06] *** tkore\work <tkore\work!~tkore@unaffiliated/ardethian> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[11:09:08] <SuperTyp> yes but I want you to understand, that the tabs are not the context, the dynamic overlay content is the context[11:09:20] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: agreed... but that is built-in :) so it is welcome[11:09:23] <SuperTyp> thats why I say ignore the tabs :)[11:09:45] <icebox> I would ignore any "dynamic" question[11:09:58] <SuperTyp> so...I have a service, that tells me what kind of entity has been clicked[11:10:08] <Pyrrhus666> SuperTyp, I´d build a dashboard with complete components that have a summary display and a full display. but that´s me :)[11:10:10] <icebox> frontend people is obsessed with dynamic things[11:10:43] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, the race to the bottom (of your chunk size ;))[11:10:47] <icebox> remove "dynamic" part and you resolved 80% of the issues, concerns, time wasting and so on[11:11:19] *** akkonrad <akkonrad!~konrad@gae109.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #angularjs[11:11:33] <SuperTyp> now this is how it looks like how I decide which overlay content component to render: https://pastebin.com/5r3n1KAm[11:11:41] <icebox> SuperTyp: you don't need a service locator pattern on the frontend :)[11:12:16] <icebox> terrible abstraction :)[11:12:33] <icebox> focus on the business part of the app[11:12:57] <icebox> not on the technical details... you need to develop an mvp, not a poc[11:13:04] <max_at> Hello guys[11:13:07] <icebox> max_at: hey[11:13:14] <icebox> *a mvp[11:13:26] <max_at> AoT debugging seems impossible!? .. Cannot read property 'get' of undefined .. in line 1: Line 1 is 2.125.281 chars long ..[11:13:49] <icebox> mvp === a selling product... poc === look, mom, how much is cool what I wrote[11:14:00] <Pyrrhus666> max_at, that looks like a production build ?[11:14:03] *** \du <\du!~xava\du@unaffiliated/xava> has joined #angularjs[11:14:14] <Pyrrhus666> max_at, I always dev with ng serve --aot[11:14:44] <max_at> Ah, that could make sense then, if its non-uglified but with aot, lets check[11:15:21] <icebox> source maps should help here[11:15:56] <SuperTyp> icebox: please keep in mind, that I don't have much experience with angular and I did it with the dynamic components loader because I didn't find any other solution without bloating my app template with ngIfs... :([11:17:05] <Pyrrhus666> SuperTyp, if the overlay had a <router-outlet> you could simply use routed components (maybe in secondary routes)[11:17:10] <icebox> SuperTyp: well... sorry... anyway why not ngIfs... they are ok[11:17:35] <icebox> or routed components like Pyrrhus666 suggested[11:17:56] <icebox> (weirdly related to nav tabs, but we need to ignore them) :)[11:18:13] <Pyrrhus666> the whole dynamic component loader feels a bit overkill in most cases.[11:18:18] <icebox> or better... you said we should ignore them :)[11:19:11] <icebox> SuperTyp: (and you angular experience is above the average) :P[11:19:13] <icebox> *your[11:19:49] <SuperTyp> icebox http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/010/809/happy-oh-stop-it-you.png[11:20:08] <icebox> :P[11:21:28] <max_at> Pyrrhus666: I agree, just have seen an app which has everything lazy loaded. also all parts of the front page, so on initial page load, parts of the page are flickering because some components get initialized to late. you can easily overengineer it[11:22:33] <SuperTyp> I think I need to use routing to remove dynamic component loading[11:22:50] <SuperTyp> and I think thats a good approach...why didn't I listen to you in first place Pyrrhus666?[11:22:57] *** star_prone <star_prone!~sviatovig@81.89.12.66> has joined #angularjs[11:23:20] <Pyrrhus666> SuperTyp, dunno, can´t remember you asking this specific question before ;)[11:23:20] <SuperTyp> do you remember? :P[11:23:45] <Pyrrhus666> I remember the IPost/IStory thing wrt DRY from last week...[11:24:10] <icebox> indeed routed components are the DRY answer to ngIfs[11:25:29] *** cbit <cbit!~davcri@109.232.61.196> has joined #angularjs[11:25:37] *** JBreit <JBreit!~JBreit@2601:985:300:f422::5362> has left #angularjs ("Leaving")[11:25:40] <icebox> SuperTyp: https://github.com/toddmotto/angularjs-styleguide is for angularjs, but the patterns are well explained[11:26:14] <Pyrrhus666> I´d probably do both : a set of components with a summary view for the dashboard and a complete view for the overlay, and one ngIf to switch between the two :)[11:26:37] <Pyrrhus666> (which is of course triggered via the route for the overlay)[11:27:14] <icebox> OT: https://addyosmani.com/resources/essentialjsdesignpatterns/book/ recently updated[11:32:13] <icebox> OT: https://codepen.io/dsenneff/pen/QajVxO[11:32:23] <icebox> Animated SVG Avatar[11:33:04] <Pyrrhus666> the password focus animation is funny af :)[11:33:29] <Elarcis> I’ll never understand under which reasonning those programming books covers are designed[11:34:20] <icebox> Elarcis: http://www.oreilly.com/animals.csp[11:34:25] <Pyrrhus666> O´Reilly is running out of animals, so the relations get weird ?[11:35:34] <Pyrrhus666> also : http://archive.oreilly.com/pub/a/oreilly/perl/usage/[11:35:53] *** Anticom <Anticom!~Anticom@2001:67c:2184:410:38:d06a:a0e1:6a5> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[11:36:08] *** marr <marr!~ccc@77-253-112-252.adsl.inetia.pl> has joined #angularjs[11:36:24] <Pyrrhus666> (the perl camel book was the first O´Reilly book I ever saw...)[11:38:10] <Elarcis> icebox: fascinating, and a bit sad[11:38:17] <icebox> yep[11:40:25] *** Elarcis 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I am using a 3rd party library (Kendo) to edit a time of day (kendo-TimePicker). That control expects a Date object, but my model is based on a TimeStamp object I have created.[13:20:29] <cubud> What I want to know is, is there a way I can add some kind of interceptor that will mediate between the component and the actual value?[13:22:01] <Elarcis> cubud: yes, that is done in the controller by creating a model object matching what the view needs, by opposition to what services need[13:22:08] <Pyrrhus666> cubud, you already have that interceptor : it´s the moment you communicate with your backend[13:22:17] <Pyrrhus666> and what Elarcis said :)[13:22:37] *** Lenny <Lenny!d5abd9b9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.171.217.185> has joined #angularjs[13:23:59] *** StatefulBloke <StatefulBloke!~rianalouw@host-88-217-175-9.customer.m-online.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[13:27:26] *** StatefulBloke <StatefulBloke!~rianalouw@host-88-217-175-9.customer.m-online.net> has joined #angularjs[13:33:09] *** Garfield-fr <Garfield-fr!~Bertrand@unaffiliated/garfield-fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[13:34:33] *** Anticom <Anticom!~Anticom@2001:67c:2184:410:38:d06a:a0e1:6a5> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[13:35:20] *** Lay-Z <Lay-Z!~Lay--Z--@79.112.65.52> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:35:38] *** Zames <Zames!~Mutter@110.54.245.72> has joined #angularjs[13:36:43] *** Garfield-fr <Garfield-fr!~Bertrand@unaffiliated/garfield-fr> has joined #angularjs[13:37:13] *** runtyrobot <runtyrobot!551bb8ce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.27.184.206> has joined #angularjs[13:37:23] *** soee <soee!~soee@user-164-127-190-88.play-internet.pl> has joined #angularjs[13:37:30] *** soee_ <soee_!~soee@user-94-254-237-35.play-internet.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[13:38:59] <icebox> cubud: and angularjs or angular?[13:40:37] *** Triangular <Triangular!tri@109.255.147.174> has joined #angularjs[13:45:05] *** runtyrobot <runtyrobot!551bb8ce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.27.184.206> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[13:47:42] *** eago <eago!~eago@141-138-54-191.dsl.iskon.hr> has joined #angularjs[13:51:14] *** Triangular <Triangular!tri@109.255.147.174> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:51:24] *** srinivasu <srinivasu!31cf206a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.49.207.32.106> has joined #angularjs[13:51:31] <srinivasu> hi[13:51:41] *** Pyrrhus6661 <Pyrrhus6661!~Pyrrhus66@157.97.112.115> has joined #angularjs[13:51:45] *** shinnya <shinnya!~shinnya@235.232.128.101.dy.bbexcite.jp> has joined #angularjs[13:51:51] *** srinivasu <srinivasu!31cf206a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.49.207.32.106> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[13:52:45] *** Anticom <Anticom!~Anticom@2001:67c:2184:410:38:d06a:a0e1:6a5> has joined #angularjs[13:53:44] <SuperTyp> bye[13:53:57] *** Pyrrhus666 <Pyrrhus666!~Pyrrhus66@157.97.112.115> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[13:54:24] <SuperTyp> how was your lunch guys[13:58:21] <icebox> srhey[13:58:31] <jlebrech> did someone send me an angularjs + webpack starter. i'm trying this one https://github.com/preboot/angularjs-webpack, compiles but it's pretty mush borked.[13:58:47] <icebox> yep... maybe out dated[13:59:17] *** Zames <Zames!~Mutter@110.54.245.72> has quit IRC (Quit: Mutter: www.mutterirc.com)[13:59:21] <jlebrech> want something that mixed old and new :D webpack4 and angularjs 1.6 haha[13:59:24] <icebox> I am afraid that is the best we have[13:59:31] <jlebrech> :([13:59:48] <Elarcis> jlebrech: sorry for your loss, you’re going to have to explore uncharted realms[13:59:55] <jlebrech> booo[14:00:40] *** tarnus <tarnus!~tarnus@107-207-242-176.lightspeed.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net> has joined #angularjs[14:00:53] *** Snugglebash <Snugglebash!~textual@80.168.21.194> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[14:01:00] <icebox> jlebrech: I think there are only webpack 2 examples for angularjs[14:01:33] <jlebrech> kinda make's sense really, peers[14:02:08] <jlebrech> otherwise found this https://gist.github.com/pavtaras/c80dd5ce020281afb3b08c288b121465 but it's prabably webpack 4[14:02:31] <icebox> jlebrech: no... that is w2 or w3[14:02:57] <jlebrech> should be a online db of example apps, you can filter by webpack, angular version etc.[14:03:00] <icebox> jlebrech: it is 10 months old[14:03:26] <icebox> jlebrech: that is a nice idea... a config examples... app examples is too much... too much configurations[14:03:43] <icebox> jlebrech: see for instance todo site[14:03:45] <jlebrech> eg, my config is for ...[14:04:06] <jlebrech> like gist but better meta data[14:04:59] <jlebrech> but seriously we shouldn't have to code unless we are writing features. building sucks[14:06:46] <jlebrech> icebox: yep just todomvc as submodule, then a config file.[14:09:32] <jlebrech> pimp my code, write code before you code so you can code while you.[14:09:57] *** Anticom <Anticom!~Anticom@2001:67c:2184:410:38:d06a:a0e1:6a5> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[14:12:35] <icebox> jlebrech: well... that is the first you thing when you create a project: design an architecture and define a workflow... then in the next project, use the same approach[14:12:51] <icebox> *the first thing you develop[14:14:22] *** StatefulBloke <StatefulBloke!~rianalouw@host-88-217-175-9.customer.m-online.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[14:17:53] <icebox> so at the end of day you don't need a "configurator" or a project "scaffolding" (like yeoman)[14:18:32] <jlebrech> yeah, i guess it's ok now with angular 4. angularjs is ancient[14:18:38] <jlebrech> or angular 5 even[14:18:39] <icebox> jlebrech: yeoman may be what you are looking for... but you need to write your configuration firstly :)[14:18:56] <icebox> yep... angular-cli mitigates that need[14:19:57] <jlebrech> yeah, is nice :)[14:20:06] <jlebrech> didn't understand what it was for at first[14:24:13] *** despai <despai!~despai@ip5658b122.direct-adsl.nl> has joined #angularjs[14:24:26] <Pyrrhus6661> ng-cli was my saviour when migrating to ng4/5[14:26:54] *** re1 <re1!~reiser@node-4gs.pool-118-173.dynamic.totbb.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[14:26:57] *** myoung|zzz is now known as myoung[14:27:09] *** Pyrrhus6661 is now known as Pyrrhus666[14:27:26] *** Nefazodone <Nefazodone!29d1685a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.209.104.90> has joined #angularjs[14:27:36] <Nefazodone> hi all[14:27:48] *** StatefulBloke <StatefulBloke!~rianalouw@host-88-217-175-9.customer.m-online.net> has joined #angularjs[14:27:48] <Elarcis> Nefazodone: hi[14:28:06] *** myoung is now known as myoung|ruck[14:29:19] <Nefazodone> where to paste my code?[14:29:49] <Elarcis> Nefazodone: AngularJS: plunker, Angular: stackblitz[14:30:03] <SuperTyp> Nefazodone: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html[14:31:51] <SuperTyp> uhm guys, did the channel description just change?[14:32:10] <SuperTyp> und resources and links I dont see http://ngirc.js.org/#/ anymore[14:32:23] <SuperTyp> ....now its back[14:33:19] <uptime> you're drunk[14:33:33] <cubud> Sorry, I was called away from my desk[14:33:59] <SuperTyp> uptime: who are you lel[14:34:08] <cubud> I don't want to rewrite my models (which need to be TimeSpan property types anyway). I just want to mediate between the form control and the form data[14:34:16] <cubud> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/49030815/can-i-create-some-kind-of-mediator-between-form-data-and-a-form-control[14:34:33] <uptime> SuperTyp: a figment of your drunken imagination[14:34:43] <SuperTyp> uptime: :)[14:35:17] *** jhadvig <jhadvig!~jhadvig@ip-89-102-21-12.net.upcbroadband.cz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[14:36:14] <SuperTyp> cubud: let the form controller handle that mediation, whats the problem?[14:38:12] <SuperTyp> cubud: e.g. https://pastebin.com/0czVttBB[14:38:16] <cubud> How can it? I want to pass an instance of the object to the controller and have it edit it[14:38:44] <SuperTyp> cubud: oh template driven form?[14:38:55] <cubud> Well, kind of[14:39:08] <cubud> It's a reactive form, but the form definition matches the object[14:39:31] <SuperTyp> show me please[14:39:31] *** ams__ <ams__!uid48118@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vcmozammnmmutpbr> has joined #angularjs[14:39:32] <cubud> and I don't want to have to write converters in controllers when I could just do something like [mt-time-span-date-mediator][14:40:34] <SuperTyp> I am more like: I don't want to write directives if I can write converters in controllers[14:42:13] <cubud> https://hastebin.com/ujuyutares.cs[14:43:34] *** StatefulBloke <StatefulBloke!~rianalouw@host-88-217-175-9.customer.m-online.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[14:44:41] <jlebrech> it should be mandatory for config files to have the version number in them[14:47:23] <jlebrech> anyone have this problem before? https://pastebin.com/T9yYXjLX[14:47:50] <jlebrech> it's supposed to use the template i gave not do this[14:50:08] *** John_Ivan <John_Ivan!~John_Ivan@79.97.140.214> has joined #angularjs[14:50:08] *** John_Ivan <John_Ivan!~John_Ivan@79.97.140.214> has quit IRC (Changing host)[14:50:08] *** John_Ivan <John_Ivan!~John_Ivan@unaffiliated/john-ivan/x-3287162> has joined #angularjs[14:50:19] *** StatefulBloke <StatefulBloke!~rianalouw@host-88-217-175-9.customer.m-online.net> has joined #angularjs[14:50:50] *** duke <duke!~duke@unaffiliated/dukey> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[14:51:29] *** wafflejock <wafflejock!~wafflejoc@c-71-57-56-220.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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how?[15:19:58] <fadavi> jlebrech: yes.[15:20:28] <jlebrech> fadavi: non-angular? what does that mean?[15:21:26] <fadavi> jlebrech: its not an angular application. it is written using some other technologies.[15:21:37] <jlebrech> so you're saying you don't current have any angular code and you want to write some angular 2?[15:22:34] <fadavi> i mean, i wanna bootstrap the angular2 app in /admin and /admin/* only[15:22:40] <fadavi> jlebrech: yes.[15:22:50] <jlebrech> please don't[15:23:05] *** Nefazodone <Nefazodone!29d1685a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.209.104.90> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[15:23:08] <jlebrech> if you write any code from scratch use the latest fraemwork[15:24:13] <fadavi> jlebrech: its not from scratch. its a working web application but without angular2.[15:24:47] <jlebrech> where does the angular2 code come from?[15:25:08] <SuperTyp> fadavi: you can boot your angular app anywhere you want to[15:25:08] *** kexmex <kexmex!~kexmex@unaffiliated/kexmex> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[15:25:23] <cubud> jlebrech: he means Angular[15:25:26] <cubud> not Angular2[15:25:38] <fadavi> jlebrech: the server![15:25:39] <SuperTyp> fadavi: but as angular >>>2<<< is kind of old, we recommend to use at least angular 4 better angular 5[15:25:45] <cubud> fadavi: Angular is up to about V5 now[15:25:51] *** donguston <donguston!~AdamPC@cpc139184-sprt3-2-0-cust175.17-2.cable.virginm.net> has joined #angularjs[15:25:59] <cubud> So say "Angular" rather than "Angular2"[15:26:10] *** amcorreia <amcorreia!~amcorreia@186.213.186.193> has joined #angularjs[15:26:19] <fadavi> SuperTyp: cubud: yes youre right. i missed that. i mean Angular[15:26:28] <jlebrech> fadavi: sorry :)[15:26:45] *** StatefulBloke <StatefulBloke!~rianalouw@host-88-217-175-9.customer.m-online.net> has joined #angularjs[15:26:46] <cubud> I do it myself :)[15:26:50] <Elarcis> fadavi: you’d need everything the admin/ route to be a totally standalone SPA that interact with the back-end, and everything else outside would be the good old code you have[15:27:11] <jlebrech> still beats when someone is asking to start a 1.x project :D[15:27:25] <Elarcis> fadavi: the admin/ route would need to be handled by the server that would then redirect everything inside it to admin/index.html, which would kick off the angular app.[15:27:57] *** ggg <ggg!~AdamPC@cpc139184-sprt3-2-0-cust175.17-2.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[15:27:58] <fadavi> Elarcis: i got it. can it be done directly using js?[15:28:10] <Elarcis> fadavi: I highly discourage it[15:28:18] <Elarcis> fadavi: and I have no idea how you would do[15:28:53] <Elarcis> fadavi: an app is either SPA or it isn’t, if you are looking for some framework to do widgets, you’d better use something less involved than Angular[15:29:45] <jlebrech> if you can separate you app into pages and write 1 app per page :D they you can progressively rewrite it in the future :D[15:29:51] <SuperTyp> I think he just wants to run an angular app as the admin app[15:30:01] <Elarcis> fadavi: it’s a bit like wanting to use a car to go fetch the mail. It can be done, yet it’s usually way overkill and less practical than other simpler means.[15:30:08] <SuperTyp> and thats not a big deal I think[15:30:44] <jlebrech> admin apps can be ugly and clunky as fuck, angular is overkill :D[15:30:53] *** StatefulBloke <StatefulBloke!~rianalouw@host-88-217-175-9.customer.m-online.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[15:31:35] *** shinnya <shinnya!~shinnya@235.232.128.101.dy.bbexcite.jp> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[15:31:47] <SuperTyp> true[15:32:29] <SuperTyp> but if you already have angular projects that you can reuse you probably have already the right structure, so your admin app can still look ugly and clunky but as an angular app :P[15:32:47] *** jhadvig <jhadvig!jhadvig@nat/redhat/x-oitbdobnofeynerg> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[15:33:04] *** mosulica <mosulica!~textual@82.208.160.88> has joined #angularjs[15:33:24] <fadavi> Elarcis: actually, our old app is SPA too. but its so heavy and complete migration to angular is not possible. we've decided to attach new angular app to our old app. for example, its great if we successfully create and run a angular module in certain routes and all of these are in one SPA![15:33:50] *** Elarcis <Elarcis!~Elarcis@webdefence-pool-02.cluster-d.forcepoint.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:34:05] *** wafflejock <wafflejock!~wafflejoc@c-71-57-56-220.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has joined #angularjs[15:34:10] *** Elarcis <Elarcis!~Elarcis@webdefence-pool-02.cluster-d.forcepoint.net> has joined #angularjs[15:34:16] <Elarcis> God, I love Git.[15:34:23] <SuperTyp> :D[15:35:12] *** toin0u is now known as toin0u|away[15:36:13] <icebox> fadavi: ok... you can do that... what is the question? :)[15:36:17] <Elarcis> fadavi: _then_, I guess if you’re willing to sacrifice both perfs, code maintainability and hair, you can make both run next to each other, just make sure your Angular rootcomponent only is present in the admin page[15:36:52] <Elarcis> fadavi: but hold on to your butt, it’s going to be a pain to setup at first, and still probably not the greatest of ideas.[15:37:06] <fadavi> icebox: so, how can i bootstrap angular in certain condition/route(s)?[15:37:13] <icebox> fadavi: yes, you can[15:37:31] <fadavi> icebox: can u explain more?[15:37:34] <Elarcis> fadavi: just bootstrap Angular when the route was changed[15:38:33] <icebox> fadavi: no... it is the opposite... what is your concern? did you try it and it doesn't work? why?[15:38:55] <fadavi> Elarcis: then angular will manipulate/serve all routes?[15:39:18] <Elarcis> fadavi: the channel’s motto is that we answer "why" questions, and only give guidelines to "how" questions :)[15:39:27] <icebox> fadavi: I am afraid you are confusing frontend routing !== backend routing[15:39:55] <Elarcis> fadavi: no, there is a bit of server config. An Angular app is a SPA, so all usual rules apply[15:40:10] *** fornix <fornix!~fornix@123.201.32.182> has joined #angularjs[15:40:20] *** sbellina <sbellina!~sbellina@8.42.179.63> has joined #angularjs[15:40:39] <Elarcis> fadavi: an Angular app is bootstrapped via platformBrowserDynamic().bootstrapModule(YourAppModule), it is only a matter of running that piece of code at the right time, that is when your admin/ route finished loading.[15:40:46] *** Es0teric <Es0teric!~textual@rrcs-184-74-227-42.nyc.biz.rr.com> has joined #angularjs[15:41:09] <icebox> fadavi: what did you try? why do you ask for routing? you said you have an actual SPA.. so you have all routing machinery ready[15:42:53] <fadavi> icebox: so, you say angular front-end routing will not disturb to our old routing?[15:43:24] <icebox> fadavi: did you try it? :P[15:43:33] <fadavi> icebox: actually, not yet.[15:44:25] <icebox> fadavi: any concern about that?[15:44:28] <icebox> why?[15:44:58] *** jhadvig <jhadvig!jhadvig@nat/redhat/x-mwdbcjemymoycypr> has joined #angularjs[15:44:59] <fadavi> icebox: i thought that angular will get control of all front-end routing.. but im not sure.[15:45:27] <icebox> fadavi: no... https://angular.io/guide/router[15:45:30] <Elarcis> fadavi: again, SPAs don’t get "control" of front-end routing. it is given to them by the server[15:48:19] <icebox> fadavi: do you want any example?[15:49:11] <icebox> fadavi: this is the first example you find in the docs suggested above.... https://stackblitz.com/angular/bbexgkdvoya[15:49:14] *** led1 <led1!Thunderbir@nat/ibm/x-xbejnvjksgqkjiqz> has quit IRC (Quit: led1)[15:49:28] <fadavi> Elarcis: i think youre right. i've no correct background about client-side routing... i think something like angular, starts _listening_ to page url after page load, and now we've two applications that makes conflict. its incorrect?[15:49:34] <icebox> fadavi: and there is also an "admin" route :)[15:50:01] <fadavi> icebox: thanks. i'll visit it now.[15:53:53] *** kirua <kirua!~kirua@unaffiliated/kirua> has quit IRC (Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com))[15:56:25] *** Snugglebash <Snugglebash!~textual@80.168.21.194> has joined #angularjs[15:58:02] *** mosulica <mosulica!~textual@82.208.160.88> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[15:58:49] *** LennardW <LennardW!~LennardW@ip503cfcfb.speed.planet.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[15:59:48] *** LennardW|afk <LennardW|afk!~LennardW@ip503cfcfb.speed.planet.nl> has joined #angularjs[16:00:01] *** LennardW|afk is now known as LennardW[16:00:54] *** m_gol <m_gol!mgol@gateway/shell/jquery.com/x-pqnfzzoalcvfvohm> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[16:02:01] <John_Ivan> in angular 2, what exactly constitutes a module?[16:02:18] *** b1tchcakes <b1tchcakes!~bitchcake@66.128.251.143> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[16:02:29] *** Zames <Zames!~Mutter@110.54.245.72> has quit IRC (Quit: Mutter: www.mutterirc.com)[16:02:31] <John_Ivan> normally, a component contains multiple modules[16:02:43] <John_Ivan> but in angular 2 it's the other way around. a module contains multiple components[16:02:45] <John_Ivan> what is the deal?[16:02:45] *** sbellina <sbellina!~sbellina@8.42.179.63> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[16:03:03] <icebox> John_Ivan: (angular, not angular 2)[16:03:32] <John_Ivan> I can see the terminology is also taking a hike[16:03:33] <icebox> John_Ivan: normally? where?[16:03:42] <Pyrrhus666> John_Ivan, I disagree with your ´normally´ statement.[16:03:51] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, :P[16:04:22] *** strike_ <strike_!~strike@2.27.123.231> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:04:30] <icebox> John_Ivan: it is only a container, the module, containing other parts (the components)[16:04:36] <icebox> John_Ivan: what is your concern?[16:04:37] <John_Ivan> well, maybe I'm used to architecture too much but in 2 books that I dealt with, a component is a collection of modules. and a module is a collection of classes.[16:04:50] *** strike_ <strike_!~strike@2.27.123.231> has joined #angularjs[16:04:55] <John_Ivan> it was never the other way around lol[16:05:06] <icebox> John_Ivan: which book?[16:05:24] <John_Ivan> icebox, Architecture of Enterprise Applications - M Fowler[16:05:45] <John_Ivan> and the other one is Code Complete 2[16:05:56] <Pyrrhus666> that´s a pretty well known one, the fowler book, iirc[16:06:38] <John_Ivan> app -> packages -> components -> modules -> classes[16:07:03] <John_Ivan> if we take it granularily[16:07:28] <Pyrrhus666> in most front-end stuff nowadays, a component is a class, I guess. it´s just words anyway.[16:07:41] <John_Ivan> yeah I can see that. this is why I'm getting extremely confused[16:08:01] *** OdicforceSounds <OdicforceSounds!~OscarFM@a89-153-7-98.cpe.netcabo.pt> has joined #angularjs[16:08:54] <John_Ivan> Pyrrhus666, ok so, let me ask[16:08:56] *** virtualeyes1 <virtualeyes1!~virtualey@96.30.101.76> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:09:04] <Pyrrhus666> in angular, you could say app -> module -> component -> function[16:09:40] *** Elarcis <Elarcis!~Elarcis@webdefence-pool-02.cluster-d.forcepoint.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:09:45] *** mgol <mgol!mgol@gateway/shell/jquery.com/x-boxvfenqahwrczzk> has joined #angularjs[16:09:48] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:09:56] *** eago <eago!~eago@141-138-54-191.dsl.iskon.hr> has joined #angularjs[16:10:00] *** Elarcis <Elarcis!~Elarcis@webdefence-pool-02.cluster-d.forcepoint.net> has joined #angularjs[16:10:17] <Snugglebash> packages are a bunch of modules[16:10:19] <Snugglebash> i think[16:10:23] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has joined #angularjs[16:10:58] *** cotko4 <cotko4!~ahmed@89-212-138-82.static.t-2.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[16:12:05] <icebox> John_Ivan: I think you misread it... because here https://martinfowler.com/articles/refactoring-dependencies.html the terms modules and components are the usual ones[16:12:29] <icebox> John_Ivan: anyway, as Pyrrhus666 said, it is not a problem... only words[16:12:42] <icebox> John_Ivan: what is the question, please?[16:13:37] <max_at_> hm... I just recognized that it seems angular-cli is ignoring base-href when it comes to routing[16:13:38] <Elarcis> John_Ivan: in a nutshell, same word, different things, but that’s for the whole webdev world[16:14:35] <Elarcis> John_Ivan: a module is a finite set of features with or without dependencies to other modules[16:14:42] <SuperTyp> max_at_: what do you mean?[16:14:47] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[16:15:08] <Elarcis> John_Ivan: it is the smallest unit of dependancy.[16:15:16] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has joined #angularjs[16:15:56] <Elarcis> *dependency[16:15:58] <icebox> also it seems a bit strange there is a distopic difference semantic... because angular historically was designed to be close to the java developers :)[16:16:07] <icebox> *in the semantic[16:16:40] <Elarcis> icebox: it’s a bit strange that anyone would like java developers[16:16:41] <Elarcis> :P[16:17:17] <max_at_> SuperTyp: We need to run our servers eg on base href /whatever .. so on our old angular seed set have set base-href to /whatever and routing was working fine. after switching to angular-cli and using base-href .. it writes this base-href to everything (assets, etc are correctly base-hreffed) .. but the routing checks the whole url /whatever/myroutename and doesn't find anything (beause it should only check for /myrout[16:17:17] <max_at_> ename) .. and goes to the ** catchall error page[16:17:35] *** L33tCh <L33tCh!~L33tCh@196.214.169.170> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[16:17:54] *** Magnumes <Magnumes!550e6e64@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.14.110.100> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[16:18:04] <icebox> Elarcis: :P[16:19:21] <John_Ivan> icebox, https://www.uml-diagrams.org/component-diagrams.html[16:19:31] <max_at_> Fun facts, its angular, cli shouldn't interfere at all once it is compiled. Guess I go back checking out an older branch to check build diff[16:19:38] <John_Ivan> anyway[16:19:41] <John_Ivan> I will ask my question[16:20:04] <John_Ivan> icebox, so from what I can see, 1 component holds a class and 2 other files.[16:20:14] <John_Ivan> so we could technically call the component the class, aside from the metadata[16:20:23] <John_Ivan> and the module holds a group of classes.[16:20:30] <John_Ivan> which makes sense so far[16:20:35] <John_Ivan> now[16:20:48] <John_Ivan> a subset of the application, say for example the header[16:20:55] <John_Ivan> that's a module or group of modules?[16:20:57] *** SmokinGrunts <SmokinGrunts!~SmokinGru@162-226-245-243.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[16:21:01] *** StatefulBloke <StatefulBloke!~rianalouw@host-88-217-175-9.customer.m-online.net> has joined #angularjs[16:21:17] <icebox> John_Ivan: generally speaking, a module[16:21:20] *** Triangular <Triangular!tri@109.255.147.174> has joined #angularjs[16:21:27] *** cubud <cubud!555ccd82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.92.205.130> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[16:21:37] <wafflejock> John_Ivan the header itself will be a component which is in a module which itself may use other components from other modules[16:22:18] <John_Ivan> icebox, excellent.[16:22:20] <John_Ivan> thank you.[16:23:12] <icebox> wafflejock: correct... but if you are talking to someone confused about the terms, that doesn't help :)[16:23:47] <icebox> John_Ivan: hope this helps https://angular.io/guide/styleguide[16:24:03] <wafflejock> yeah just reading back sorry[16:24:06] <John_Ivan> icebox, I read it. it doesn't.[16:24:28] <John_Ivan> icebox, I also dislike the file name convention[16:24:56] *** JBreit <JBreit!~JBreit@2601:985:300:f422::5362> has joined #angularjs[16:25:04] <John_Ivan> icebox, why the redundancy prefix?[16:25:13] <icebox> John_Ivan: a suggestion... backend is backend... and frontend is frontend :P[16:25:27] *** StatefulBloke <StatefulBloke!~rianalouw@host-88-217-175-9.customer.m-online.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:25:46] <John_Ivan> icebox, heh[16:26:01] <John_Ivan> icebox, I much preferred angular1 conventions[16:26:14] <icebox> John_Ivan: "rules" are different and if you fight the context, the framework or something else, you are asking for troubles... there are a lot of things opinionated but a few ones are "standards" :)[16:26:43] *** max_at_ <max_at_!~max_at@h-213.61.167.37.host.de.colt.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:26:55] <John_Ivan> icebox, I will keep that in mind but I do have to conform to some sort of layout[16:27:10] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@h-213.61.167.37.host.de.colt.net> has joined #angularjs[16:27:10] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@h-213.61.167.37.host.de.colt.net> has quit IRC (Changing host)[16:27:10] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@unaffiliated/max-at/x-2708233> has joined #angularjs[16:27:22] <John_Ivan> which makes sense at least[16:27:24] *** marliana <marliana!~marliana@cpe-2606-A000-470D-3800-549-1BD5-5163-B4EE.dyn6.twc.com> has joined #angularjs[16:27:29] <John_Ivan> and follows a logical pattern[16:27:31] <icebox> John_Ivan: of course... coherence overall[16:27:46] <John_Ivan> indeed.[16:27:49] <wafflejock> John_Ivan yeah so it is basically opposite of what you read there for front end stuff, for JS/ES6 modules are sets of files which contain functions that are exported and can be imported somewhere else (maybe defined as classes but we all know their still functions), in Angular world you would be using both ES6 modules and Angular modules but they serve slightly different purposes, https://angular.io/guide/ngmodule-vs-jsmodule[16:27:50] <icebox> anyway that guide has been battle tested over the years :)[16:28:42] *** JBreit <JBreit!~JBreit@2601:985:300:f422::5362> has left #angularjs[16:29:12] *** max_at_ <max_at_!~max_at@217.111.93.34> has joined #angularjs[16:30:30] <John_Ivan> wafflejock, right....[16:30:41] <John_Ivan> also what about[16:30:43] <John_Ivan> services?[16:30:48] <John_Ivan> those I assume are modules too[16:31:07] <John_Ivan> and then modules interact with other modules[16:31:13] <icebox> John_Ivan: no[16:31:24] <John_Ivan> no? T_T[16:31:33] *** max_at <max_at!~max_at@unaffiliated/max-at/x-2708233> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:31:46] <icebox> John_Ivan: modules === "packages" (in your world)[16:31:50] <wafflejock> no everything basically sits under the umbrella of a module, can just think of a module as a namespace for a collection of things, you would have all your components/services/directives in some sort of module[16:31:54] <wafflejock> ah right packages[16:32:02] <icebox> John_Ivan: components === "classes" (in your world)[16:32:28] *** eago <eago!~eago@141-138-54-191.dsl.iskon.hr> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:32:44] <icebox> John_Ivan: you can visualize like a box (module) and a stone (component) in the box[16:32:56] *** eago <eago!~eago@141-138-54-191.dsl.iskon.hr> has joined #angularjs[16:33:06] <icebox> John_Ivan: and you can put a module into another module[16:33:07] <John_Ivan> icebox, no, I think you got it wrong. a package to me is a container for components.[16:33:14] <John_Ivan> and a component contains modules[16:33:16] <icebox> John_Ivan: exactly :)[16:33:35] <John_Ivan> a component is a part of a system that works on it's own[16:33:44] <John_Ivan> e.g a steam engine or a heating system[16:34:11] <wafflejock> John_Ivan the part you have wrong is component doesn't contain modules[16:34:17] <wafflejock> everything else sounded right[16:34:26] <icebox> it is the same... changing sligthly the level of abstraction[16:34:28] <John_Ivan> wafflejock, in my world it does. check UML.[16:34:29] *** marliana <marliana!~marliana@cpe-2606-A000-470D-3800-549-1BD5-5163-B4EE.dyn6.twc.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[16:34:57] *** StatefulBloke <StatefulBloke!~rianalouw@host-88-217-175-9.customer.m-online.net> has joined #angularjs[16:35:00] <John_Ivan> anyway instead of arguing over and over, I will think a bit about what you said.[16:35:12] <John_Ivan> and then ask again for confirmation[16:35:15] <icebox> John_Ivan: you are right... I was thinking on java world... not uml one[16:35:41] <icebox> anyway it is the same... the abstraction is different[16:37:17] *** eago <eago!~eago@141-138-54-191.dsl.iskon.hr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[16:37:26] *** fadavi <fadavi!~Thunderbi@37.19.85.109> has quit IRC (Quit: fadavi)[16:38:01] <John_Ivan> icebox, so if I were to reverse the way I think of things, a component will be a subset of the app which contains either a service, a controller, etc. so technically, a service in angular(2) refers to a service as a component.[16:38:57] <icebox> do you mean a module swill be a subset...?[16:39:03] <icebox> *will[16:39:33] <John_Ivan> (java/uml world) - component is subset of app. | (angular(2) world) module is subset of app[16:40:09] <icebox> a service is a service... it is not a component... why? because historycally the word "component" is related to web component[16:40:14] <SuperTyp> are we still discussing the terminology?[16:40:27] <icebox> SuperTyp: no[16:40:33] <icebox> *historically[16:40:47] <icebox> SuperTyp: trying to fit some knowledge in another one :)[16:40:53] <SuperTyp> :D[16:41:03] *** Z3R0 <Z3R0!~mischief@24.27.227.128> has joined #angularjs[16:41:07] <John_Ivan> <icebox> a service is a service... it is not a component... why? because historycally the word "component" is related to web component[16:41:10] <icebox> SuperTyp: like in Apollo 13... this in that, please![16:41:15] <John_Ivan> that just breaks my entire foundation of how I deal with things :D[16:41:19] <icebox> :P[16:41:29] <SuperTyp> John_Ivan: its good knowledge :)[16:41:51] <John_Ivan> that's like trying to tell me a configuration file isn't a blob of binary data.[16:41:58] <John_Ivan> text IS binary[16:41:58] <John_Ivan> :P[16:42:10] <John_Ivan> anyway[16:42:29] <icebox> because service is a class, generally speaking... you can name a service, a component, but not in the same angular semantic[16:42:53] <John_Ivan> icebox, ok, and modules share services, that much is accurate?[16:43:33] <icebox> yes... but usually every part is in some module[16:44:04] <John_Ivan> icebox, ... which in turn is kept in components.[16:44:09] <John_Ivan> right?[16:44:18] <icebox> John_Ivan: no[16:44:22] <John_Ivan> wha[16:44:25] <John_Ivan> :D[16:44:28] <icebox> :P[16:44:42] <John_Ivan> how...? why..?[16:44:54] <John_Ivan> modules hold components.[16:44:57] <icebox> ok... let's say you have only one box and different parts, components for UI and services for tasks :)[16:45:01] <John_Ivan> (by angular2 terms)[16:45:08] <icebox> the box is the module[16:45:35] <John_Ivan> ohhh.. I see how this is going.[16:45:37] <John_Ivan> right[16:45:48] <wafflejock> John_Ivan modules group related components/services together[16:46:06] <John_Ivan> icebox, ok, I got it. well by MY terms, that sentence[16:46:08] <John_Ivan> <icebox> ok... let's say you have only one box and different parts, components for UI and services for tasks :)[16:46:17] <John_Ivan> the components and servics to me ARE components[16:46:24] <icebox> John_Ivan: yep, I see[16:46:30] <John_Ivan> and the module encapsulates them[16:46:32] <John_Ivan> so[16:46:32] <icebox> correct[16:46:42] <John_Ivan> the service IS by definition (to my terms) a component[16:46:44] <John_Ivan> held in a module.[16:46:47] <John_Ivan> ultimately a class[16:46:48] <icebox> correct[16:46:49] <John_Ivan> inside that component.[16:46:50] <John_Ivan> ok[16:46:51] <John_Ivan> I get it.[16:46:53] <icebox> perfect[16:47:04] <John_Ivan> makes sense now.[16:47:04] <zomg> Java has corrupted another developer :([16:47:08] <zomg> lol[16:47:11] <John_Ivan> icebox, thank you :)[16:47:16] <icebox> John_Ivan: you are welcome[16:49:29] *** PeDr0_HuG0 <PeDr0_HuG0!~kvirc@201.150.52.177> has joined #angularjs[16:51:38] *** Babalel <Babalel!c5f553ec@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.197.245.83.236> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[16:52:17] *** led_ir22 <led_ir22!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has joined #angularjs[16:52:33] *** John_Ivan <John_Ivan!~John_Ivan@unaffiliated/john-ivan/x-3287162> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:52:41] *** Pyrrhus666 <Pyrrhus666!~Pyrrhus66@157.97.112.115> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[16:52:55] *** John_Ivan <John_Ivan!~John_Ivan@unaffiliated/john-ivan/x-3287162> has joined #angularjs[16:52:55] <icebox> John_Ivan: out of curiosity... is your job description app designer? do you work for a company with many employees?[16:53:24] <John_Ivan> icebox, the latter is correct. no, I'm a back end engineer.[16:53:52] <icebox> ah ok... can I ask you what is your idea to introduce angular in your architecture?[16:54:12] <John_Ivan> this is not for work.[16:54:27] <icebox> ah ok... just learning[16:54:55] *** StatefulBloke <StatefulBloke!~rianalouw@host-88-217-175-9.customer.m-online.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[16:55:00] <John_Ivan> fullstack requires nowadays to get your hands dirty in all sorts of places, including devops, front end, databases... etc[16:55:20] <icebox> yep... it is a never endless learning job :)[16:55:36] <Snugglebash> But it doesnt pay $1m[16:55:46] <icebox> correct :)[16:55:56] <icebox> off in a few minutes... bye[16:56:05] *** SmokinGrunts <SmokinGrunts!~nnscript@96-92-220-81-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #angularjs[16:56:08] <Snugglebash> byebye[16:56:23] <John_Ivan> icebox, thanks by the way.[16:56:54] <SuperTyp> bye icebox[16:57:23] <icebox> John_Ivan: no problem... we are here :P[16:58:20] *** icebox <icebox!05591d15@gateway/web/freenode/ip.5.89.29.21> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[17:01:19] <jlebrech> John_Ivan: there should be a minstack movement where enough is enough. if you could built it 10 years ago in php it doesn't have to be an SPA dammit :D[17:01:58] *** StatefulBloke <StatefulBloke!~rianalouw@host-88-217-175-9.customer.m-online.net> has joined #angularjs[17:03:20] <Elarcis> jlebrech: but people love buzz words![17:03:52] <jlebrech> you know what they don't like on the another hand? a slap :D[17:04:04] *** punknroll <punknroll!~Thunderbi@p83-219-165-60.snwdip.snw.at> has quit IRC (Quit: punknroll)[17:08:13] *** StatefulBloke <StatefulBloke!~rianalouw@host-88-217-175-9.customer.m-online.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:10:46] *** marliana <marliana!~marliana@cpe-45-37-163-187.nc.res.rr.com> has joined #angularjs[17:10:57] *** zzing <zzing!cdfbb9fa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.205.251.185.250> has joined #angularjs[17:11:11] *** StatefulBloke <StatefulBloke!~rianalouw@host-88-217-175-9.customer.m-online.net> has joined #angularjs[17:11:51] <zzing> If I have a component with a tag such as <component> and it is used like <component> <a href="blah">... </a> </component> is there any way of getting the inner contents of that component?[17:11:52] <Elarcis> jlebrech: Slap? Is that a new team chat app?[17:12:08] <jlebrech> slapchat[17:12:14] *** marliana <marliana!~marliana@cpe-45-37-163-187.nc.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:12:16] <Elarcis> zzing: not from the component, no.[17:12:38] <Elarcis> zzing: content projection/transclusion works on the principle that the component doesn’t know what is put inside it[17:12:48] <Elarcis> zzing: what is the feature behind the need to access it?[17:13:56] <zzing> Elarcis: I want to make a component that has properties for testing specific validations on form fields instead of having to use complicated *ngIf on mat-error or something of that nature.[17:14:32] <zzing> So for example, <error [control]="...." errors="required;email"> Error text for user </error>[17:14:58] *** observatorycake <observatorycake!~shundread@88-112-107-62.elisa-laajakaista.fi> has quit IRC (Quit: ok)[17:15:01] <Elarcis> zzing: ah, so you don’t want to _access_ the content, but toggle its display[17:15:12] <zzing> basically[17:15:17] <Elarcis> zzing: yep, totally doable[17:15:22] <SuperTyp> have a nice evening, bye[17:15:24] <zzing> I don't care what the content is, I just want to be able to say where in my template it goes[17:15:41] <SuperTyp> jlebrech: slapchat lmao[17:15:45] <Elarcis> zzing: <ng-content /> tag in your template[17:15:59] <Elarcis> zzing: https://toddmotto.com/transclusion-in-angular-2-with-ng-content[17:16:13] *** PaulCape_ <PaulCape_!~PaulCapes@ip72-209-228-50.dc.dc.cox.net> has joined #angularjs[17:16:22] <Elarcis> zzing: just show/hide it like any other element[17:16:29] *** jazper_ <jazper_!~jazper-@75-134-42-205.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com> has joined #angularjs[17:16:53] *** SuperTyp <SuperTyp!c3410109@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.195.65.1.9> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[17:17:06] <zzing> I don't think I have ever heard of transclusion before[17:18:05] *** quakephil_ <quakephil_!~smuxi@cpe-69-200-246-39.nyc.res.rr.com> has joined #angularjs[17:18:06] *** strike_ <strike_!~strike@2.27.123.231> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:18:16] <zzing> Elarcis: Thanks for the info. Made my day :-0[17:18:36] *** strike_ <strike_!~strike@2.27.123.231> has joined #angularjs[17:18:54] *** m13 <m13!~quassel@188.116.38.80> has joined #angularjs[17:19:03] *** toin0u|a1ay <toin0u|a1ay!~toin0u@185.14.186.176> has joined #angularjs[17:19:25] *** MatiasNL33 <MatiasNL33!~matias@unaffiliated/matiasnl23> has joined #angularjs[17:19:35] *** Bag_ <Bag_!~bag@r-46.cust-u218.ip.static.uno.uk.net> has joined #angularjs[17:20:13] <Elarcis> zzing: pretty neat for wrapper components[17:20:25] *** daivyk <daivyk!~daivyk@179.177.36.70.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br> has joined #angularjs[17:22:42] *** strike_ <strike_!~strike@2.27.123.231> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:22:48] *** strangematter_ <strangematter_!~strangema@95.85.61.129> has joined #angularjs[17:22:50] *** eremitah_ <eremitah_!~int@unaffiliated/eremitah> has joined #angularjs[17:23:06] *** Swant_ <Swant_!swant@freenode/staff/ikea> has joined #angularjs[17:23:08] *** jp| <jp|!ayy@youlosethega.me> has joined 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#angularjs[18:22:26] <tundebadmus> Greetings everyone ![18:22:43] <tundebadmus> Please I need advice on my career path[18:23:43] <tundebadmus> I am a javascript developer but recently secured a job as c# developer, I am not doing much in this position[18:24:03] <tundebadmus> Should I quit for a javascript job or stay[18:24:33] <tundebadmus> I will like to learn c# but am currently not assigned to any projects and it worrying[18:25:50] <tundebadmus> I have 2 years learning as fullstack javascript and hybrid mobile app developer and am not using any of that at my current position.[18:26:16] <tundebadmus> What do I do please, I am very worried right now ![18:26:53] *** Istvan <Istvan!4f77d328@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.119.211.40> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[18:27:34] *** \du <\du!~xava\du@unaffiliated/xava> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[18:27:56] *** rrutkowski <rrutkowski!~rrutkowsk@hotsplots-blu1-ip17.cust.syseleven.net> has joined #angularjs[18:28:19] *** myoung|ruck|food is now known as myoung|ruck[18:28:27] <wafflejock> tundebadmus I wouldn't fret too much though it would be good to see if there are options for you to work on JS projects as well... I just started a job doing mostly JS stuff, but been "on the bench" for a few weeks here too, it's not too uncommon to have some downtime at bigger places, would talk with a manager or 'coach' or whoever can let you know what the situation is or what you could be doing (maybe internal projects or[18:28:27] <wafflejock> something)[18:29:05] *** SmokinGrunts <SmokinGrunts!~nnscript@96-92-220-81-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:31:08] <tundebadmus> wafflejock: Thank you soo much ![18:31:15] *** SmokinGrunts <SmokinGrunts!~SmokinGru@162-235-246-104.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net> has joined #angularjs[18:31:59] <tundebadmus> Do you know other languages, would you change for a language that you are more proficient in than Javascript ?[18:32:21] <tundebadmus> I am very proficient in JavaScript, that why it hurts in this role.[18:32:43] <tundebadmus> Feel like am not realizing my full potential[18:34:17] <wafflejock> I could definitely understand the situation in the abstract but can't say I'm really more proficient in other languages, I probably know more C++ than your average joe but also more comfortable in JS for everyday web stuff... it just depends on the task in many cases I'm swayed to use some particular language and set of tools around it because of the task I'm trying to solve[18:35:02] *** adminu <adminu!~admin@29.94-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC 1.7.x-nightly-20180120-fcc710b4 - https://znc.in)[18:35:57] <wafflejock> so like I'll be using open frameworks C++ for doing computer vision or kinect based stuff, or using darknet open source neural network written in C if I am trying to mess with image recognition or generative adversarial networks (haven't tried anything with those yet)[18:36:13] <wafflejock> but if I'm doing something for the web then I'm usually using JS of some incarnation[18:36:33] *** gvhoecke_ <gvhoecke_!~admin@29.94-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be> has joined 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has joined #angularjs[19:05:33] *** bengillies <bengillies!~bengillie@bengillies.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:07:19] *** eago <eago!~eago@216-174.dsl.iskon.hr> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:07:46] *** eago <eago!~eago@216-174.dsl.iskon.hr> has joined #angularjs[19:11:09] <wafflejock> tundebadmus sure if you want more widespread opinion too ##javascript is pretty active and some people active in the development of JS in there too[19:12:29] *** eago <eago!~eago@216-174.dsl.iskon.hr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[19:12:56] *** WZZz <WZZz!~WZZz@195.66.82.9> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:13:10] <tundebadmus> ok Thanks[19:14:00] * John_Ivan covers his eyes when he sees all that preprocessing[19:14:59] <John_Ivan> Webpack scripts replacing strings inside html[19:15:21] <wafflejock> lol[19:15:22] <John_Ivan> task runners calling css preprocessors replacing sscss with css[19:15:43] <John_Ivan> JSX spitting out html and javascript[19:16:26] <John_Ivan> I mean, I know this is nothing[19:16:28] <John_Ivan> but[19:16:28] *** Garfield-fr <Garfield-fr!~Bertrand@unaffiliated/garfield-fr> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:16:39] <John_Ivan> coming from a background that had very little of this... it's kind of surprising.[19:17:00] <John_Ivan> at most, for me, the most was replaced were ant scripts doing config stuff[19:17:16] <John_Ivan> and java code spitting out bytecode class files :P[19:17:22] <John_Ivan> but it ended there.[19:17:33] <John_Ivan> bundling wasn't a major pain in the ass[19:17:39] *** l3g3nd <l3g3nd!~l3g3nd@unaffiliated/l3g3nd> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[19:17:50] <wafflejock> yeah same deal basically except instead of bytecode the target is CSS/JS/HTML and the input is whatever is hot this week :)[19:17:54] *** shinnya <shinnya!~shinnya@235.232.128.101.dy.bbexcite.jp> has joined #angularjs[19:18:09] *** l3g3nd <l3g3nd!~l3g3nd@unaffiliated/l3g3nd> has joined 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quit IRC (Quit: Z3R0)[19:34:09] *** Z3R0 <Z3R0!~mischief@224.sub-174-207-2.myvzw.com> has joined #angularjs[19:34:57] *** amcorreia <amcorreia!~amcorreia@186.213.186.193> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:35:29] <wafflejock> zanyscorp what's the issue?[19:42:39] <John_Ivan> wafflejock, I'm okay.[19:43:14] *** zanyscorp <zanyscorp!c0542253@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.84.34.83> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[19:45:06] <John_Ivan> wafflejock, quick question[19:45:08] <John_Ivan> custom directives[19:45:13] <John_Ivan> that's still a thing in angular2 right?[19:45:16] <John_Ivan> and[19:45:31] <John_Ivan> are css frameworks made to match the custom directive pattern, correct?[19:45:38] *** nicky <nicky!c0542253@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.84.34.83> has joined #angularjs[19:47:55] <wafflejock> John_Ivan yeah with regard to directives the answer is mostly yes... what used to be done under the umbrella of directives has now been split up so there are components which have a visual/template part to go along with some UI functionality typically (and styles) then there are structural directives and there are attribute directives https://angular.io/guide/attribute-directives[19:48:17] <wafflejock> regarding the CSS frameworks I'm not sure I understand the question there[19:48:34] <John_Ivan> wafflejock, ah ok. well, regarding the css framework aspect[19:48:57] *** eremitah <eremitah!~int@unaffiliated/eremitah> has joined #angularjs[19:49:06] <John_Ivan> for example in react, the JSX has taken the liberty of having custom tags to implement portions of the div and classes in html[19:49:25] <John_Ivan> such that now, instead of doing, for example...[19:49:35] <John_Ivan> <div class='yourClass'> etc[19:49:39] <John_Ivan> JSX abstracts it as[19:49:45] <John_Ivan> <YourClass></YourClass>[19:49:55] <John_Ivan> taking care of spitting out the right html[19:49:58] <John_Ivan> and the whole css framework[19:50:02] <John_Ivan> has been built to suit that style.[19:50:05] <John_Ivan> so my question was[19:50:19] <John_Ivan> does angular have somethin similar where a css framework has been made to simplify custom directive process?[19:51:37] *** Snugglebash <Snugglebash!~textual@80.168.21.194> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…)[20:59:35] *** rrutkowski <rrutkowski!~rrutkowsk@hotsplots-blu1-ip17.cust.syseleven.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[21:00:42] *** John_Ivan <John_Ivan!~John_Ivan@79.97.140.214> has joined #angularjs[21:00:42] *** John_Ivan <John_Ivan!~John_Ivan@79.97.140.214> has quit IRC (Changing host)[21:00:42] *** John_Ivan <John_Ivan!~John_Ivan@unaffiliated/john-ivan/x-3287162> has joined #angularjs[21:01:18] *** rrutkowski <rrutkowski!~rrutkowsk@vpn28.hotsplots.net> has joined #angularjs[21:02:13] <John_Ivan> wafflejock, sorry about that, had to leave. if you replied or have an answer, mind copy pasting it again?[21:02:33] *** Mattch <Mattch!~mrichar1@w5430.see.ed.ac.uk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[21:03:20] *** re1 <re1!~reiser@2001:44c8:4120:bf59:7458:67d5:fbac:e527> has joined #angularjs[21:07:29] *** Z3R0 <Z3R0!~mischief@224.sub-174-207-2.myvzw.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Z3R0)[21:12:48] *** LilleCarl <LilleCarl!~quassel@198.98.51.120> has quit IRC (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)[21:14:12] *** LilleCarl <LilleCarl!~quassel@198.98.51.120> has joined #angularjs[21:15:15] *** Z3R0 <Z3R0!~mischief@224.sub-174-207-2.myvzw.com> has joined #angularjs[21:15:45] *** prometh <prometh!~textual@CPEbc4dfbbf5b01-CMbc4dfbbf5b00.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> has joined #angularjs[21:15:54] <prometh> i have some component bindings with @ and default values set in $onInit that are being reset to initial values somehow... a second $onChanges is called and in it i log the values, which shows them reset[21:16:05] <prometh> is there something i'm not understanding? $onChanges → $onInit (param values parsed and set) → $onChanges (original values logged)[21:24:27] *** Z3R0 <Z3R0!~mischief@224.sub-174-207-2.myvzw.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Z3R0)[21:26:40] <wafflejock> John_Ivan <wafflejock> well neither of them really directly ties into anything with CSS or CSS frameworks like bootstrap or zurb, there are custom component libraries to make use of those frameworks or recreate similar functionality using the CSS framework conventions but angular and react both really just deal with the JS and DOM, the CSS is there but not largely involved[21:26:40] <wafflejock> [13:02:21] <wafflejock> in angular 1 you could have directives that could be used as a class on an element and would get picked up but not sure about that in 2+ (maybe there maybe not) typically you use a 'selector' defined in the components to indicate their name in the markup though[21:26:41] <wafflejock> [13:02:29] <wafflejock> https://angular.io/tutorial/toh-pt1[21:27:08] <wafflejock> John_Ivan also more generically you might be looking for https://angular.io/guide/template-syntax[21:31:25] <John_Ivan> wafflejock, thanks.[21:36:49] *** pLaTo0n <pLaTo0n!~pLaTo0n@unaffiliated/platoon> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:39:58] *** CAPITANOOO <CAPITANOOO!~CAPITANOO@static-007.137-192-185.it-speednet.it> has joined #angularjs[21:40:21] *** CAPITANOOO <CAPITANOOO!~CAPITANOO@static-007.137-192-185.it-speednet.it> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:40:49] *** Zythyr <Zythyr!~Zythyr@host-128-227-1-24.xlate.ufl.edu> has joined #angularjs[21:42:48] *** duke <duke!~duke@void.pw> has joined #angularjs[21:42:48] *** duke <duke!~duke@void.pw> has quit IRC (Changing host)[21:42:48] *** duke <duke!~duke@unaffiliated/dukey> has joined #angularjs[21:45:39] *** jsightler_afk is now known as jsightler[21:46:29] *** LennardW <LennardW!~LennardW@ip503cfcfb.speed.planet.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[21:47:07] <prometh> hello?[21:47:46] <wafflejock> prometh try making a sample using the stackblitz link in the topic[21:47:59] *** LennardW|afk <LennardW|afk!~LennardW@ip503cfcfb.speed.planet.nl> has joined #angularjs[21:48:11] *** LennardW|afk is now known as LennardW[21:48:14] <wafflejock> prometh docs say it's called before onInit as well so perhaps that's what you're seeing? hard to say https://angular.io/guide/lifecycle-hooks#lifecycle-sequence[21:48:28] <prometh> it's called twice, though[21:50:47] *** soee <soee!~soee@user-164-127-190-88.play-internet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[21:52:09] <prometh> is there an official way to set the default values for component params?[21:52:22] <prometh> using onInit didn't work and onChanges is messy[21:52:49] <prometh> setting it in the constructor overrode the values set in html[21:54:16] <prometh> by the way, i'm using angularjs, not angular[21:59:14] <wafflejock> prometh not sure what you're going for exactly but typically defaults were just handled with a defaults object that contained all the default props, when loading the values for what to show you would check if a value was supplied otherwise use the value in your defaults object, pre the whole components concept this would just be handled in a link function typically not sure with components in 1.x[21:59:36] <prometh> defaults object?[21:59:36] <wafflejock> can see a sample here with the newer version seems to pretty much work how I'd expect https://stackblitz.com/edit/angularjs-irc-starter-eieeug?file=app/hello.component.ts[21:59:47] <wafflejock> prometh nothing special just an object[22:00:00] <prometh> dude... angularJS, not angular[22:00:14] <wafflejock> prometh if you can recreate your problem with the link in the topic I'll check it out but I'm not doing it again[22:00:45] <prometh> you keep linking me to angular[22:00:48] <wafflejock> prometh look at ui-bootstrap source for how they handle defaults if you need a sample[22:02:04] <prometh> tehy use the link function[22:02:21] <prometh> and htey don't use components, they use controllers[22:02:33] <prometh> err directives, rather[22:05:42] *** eremitah <eremitah!~int@unaffiliated/eremitah> has joined #angularjs[22:06:08] <wafflejock> components are really just special case directives I don't see why you can't still use the link function off hand but to be fair I haven't wrangled those beasts[22:06:10] <wafflejock> https://docs.angularjs.org/guide/component[22:06:39] <wafflejock> I mean not with 1.x have tinkered around with them in 2+[22:17:07] *** pmercado <pmercado!~pmercado@191.112.223.205> has joined #angularjs[22:17:07] *** pmercado <pmercado!~pmercado@191.112.223.205> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:17:19] *** pmercado <pmercado!~pmercado@191.112.223.205> has joined #angularjs[22:25:16] <prometh> wafflejock: using $postLink has the same weird reset.. a second $onChanges is ran[22:27:42] <wafflejock> prometh maybe this helps https://github.com/digitalbazaar/bedrock-angular/issues/9 see last comment for a potential solution[22:28:10] <prometh> yes, that was going to be my fallback[22:28:20] <prometh> angularjs continues to prove that it is a piece of shit[22:28:42] <prometh> thank you for the link[22:29:37] *** Maxel <Maxel!~Maxel@50-241-60-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host)[22:29:52] *** Maxel <Maxel!~Maxel@50-241-60-125-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #angularjs[22:32:18] <wafflejock> prometh no problem, components are in a large part a growing pain with moving things towards the 2+ way of structuring the applications, luckily I haven't had to deal with them in 1.x myself it does seem crippled compared to regular directive definitions[22:32:22] *** Zythyr <Zythyr!~Zythyr@host-128-227-1-24.xlate.ufl.edu> has quit IRC ()[22:32:58] <prometh> aside from this issue, i've found components to be nicer than directives[22:33:26] <prometh> but the angularjs team never thought about default param values; sad[22:37:05] *** ggdd_ <ggdd_!~textual@93.92.203.37> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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