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[08:32:44] <icebox> hey folks
[08:34:29] <xhd> GOOD morning angular family! Good morning icebox senpai!
[08:34:48] <icebox> xhd: hey :)
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[08:43:44] <SuperTyp> good morning all
[08:43:48] <icebox> SuperTyp: hey
[08:43:50] <SuperTyp> hey icebox
[08:43:52] <SuperTyp> happy new year
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[08:57:27] <SargoDarya> Morning folks
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[09:03:46] <icebox> SargoDarya: hey
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[09:08:21] <Pyrrhus666> morning #angularjs
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[09:22:17] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: hey
[09:22:33] <Pyrrhus666> morning icebox, welcome back ;)
[09:22:52] <icebox> :P
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[09:29:24] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: missing two weeks and meltdown and spectre arise :)
[09:29:55] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, heh. best comment on HN : ¨2018 is of to a great start¨ ;)
[09:30:13] <icebox> :)
[09:30:48] <icebox> solution: change hardware :) but at the moment no hardware is immune
[09:32:04] <Pyrrhus666> the software solutions will probably work fine, and the performance loss, while not negligible will probably be small enough not to be a problem for most people
[09:32:28] <SuperTyp> wasn't it 30% performance lost?
[09:32:34] <Pyrrhus666> bad time to be a cloud provider, but as a consumer I´m not worried.
[09:32:44] <SuperTyp> has AMD now confirmed that their CPUs are not affected?
[09:32:45] <Pyrrhus666> SuperTyp, yeah, in extremely weird cases
[09:33:00] <Pyrrhus666> SuperTyp, spectre affects all. meltdown is just intel.
[09:33:41] <SuperTyp> hm my AISuite was not able to connect to the server yesterday, maybe a new update was the reason
[09:33:48] <SuperTyp> (I have an ASUS MoBo)
[09:34:53] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: I would like to see a class action against Intel and AMD :)
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[09:35:19] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: World vs Intel/AMD
[09:35:31] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, that was discussed at length on HN. most said it would never stick, unfortunately
[09:37:50] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: I imagine... I didn't read that thread
[09:39:09] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, for my coming upgrade I did check out amd stuff, but it´ll probably be intel again ;)
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[09:47:32] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: me too
[09:48:30] <ray02> hello hello
[09:48:36] <icebox> ray02: hey
[09:48:37] <ray02> good morning
[09:48:56] <ray02> wellcome back icebox
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[09:49:24] <SuperTyp> welcome*
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[09:49:42] <ray02> thanks :p
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[09:59:43] <SargoDarya> How's it going folks?
[10:00:08] <SuperTyp> Hi SargoDarya, good and you?
[10:01:16] <Pyrrhus666> morning SargoDarya
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[10:07:10] <SargoDarya> Awesome so far. Lots of stuff to do as usual but seeing the price of dogecoin rise is awesome
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[10:10:33] <SuperTyp> I know that feel :>
[10:10:53] <SuperTyp> reddCoin made feel it too =)
[10:10:58] <SuperTyp> made me*
[10:11:31] <ray02> what are redCoin?
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[10:12:41] <SuperTyp> what is* reddcoin https://www.reddcoin.com/
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[10:15:12] <ray02> ahahah this morning i left my english in the bed with my dreams
[10:15:21] <zomg> SargoDarya: dogecoin is still going up?
[10:15:31] <SargoDarya> 107 and rising
[10:15:35] <zomg> 107 what?
[10:15:48] <SargoDarya> Satoshi, over the weekend one doge was almost worth 2 cents
[10:15:56] <zomg> wow
[10:16:03] <zomg> I have a bit under 100 000 doges :P
[10:16:34] <SargoDarya> Nice. That's quite something then.
[10:16:38] <SargoDarya> I'm at around 50k
[10:17:16] <SuperTyp> a coin with a meme as logo, can't trust that sorry =/
[10:18:17] <SargoDarya> SuperTyp: Well, we managed to finance a nascar racer, sent the jamaican bobsled team to the winter olympics, built wells together with Charity Water
[10:18:23] <SargoDarya> And a lot of more stuff.
[10:18:48] <SuperTyp> sorry?
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[10:19:03] <SargoDarya> The meme might be the single greatest thing that coin has because that's the stupid thing holding the community together.
[10:19:10] <SuperTyp> how are you involved in dodge?
[10:19:29] <SargoDarya> SuperTyp: Well, a shit ton.
[10:19:38] <SargoDarya> https://cdn-8.motorsport.com/static/img/amp/400000/450000/450000/450800/450898/s6_26234/nascar-cup-talladega-2014-josh-wise-ford.jpg
[10:19:47] <SuperTyp> lol
[10:20:26] <SuperTyp> seeing this in my rear mirror would freaking make my day
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[10:21:11] <SargoDarya> SuperTyp: That one's even better: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Bv1j6q4KJog/maxresdefault.jpg
[10:21:28] <SuperTyp> :D
[10:22:17] <zomg> it's kinda weird the value is going up now so much
[10:22:26] <zomg> took years of nothing and even the dogecoin software hasn't been updated :P
[10:22:48] <SargoDarya> Honestly though, the community is what's making it the greatest coin. It's not meant to be taken seriously.
[10:23:12] <SargoDarya> zomg: There are alternatives though. I think most people are running multidoge anyway even though to be honest, it's a shit wallet.
[10:23:42] <zomg> yeah
[10:23:49] <zomg> I had to sync my wallet from 2014
[10:23:50] <zomg> :D
[10:23:59] <zomg> just to make sure I still had access since the value was going up
[10:24:07] <SargoDarya> xDDDD
[10:24:37] <SargoDarya> I'm really surprised there's not really a good cross platform wallet for everything. Kinda sucks that you have to run a different client for each one.
[10:24:51] <SuperTyp> ^ make on $$$
[10:25:07] <SargoDarya> SuperTyp: On it.
[10:25:10] <SuperTyp> anyone knows how to remove padding from angular material dialog withouth breaking the scrollbar?
[10:25:25] <zomg> I just have all my stuff on Kraken because I'm lazy
[10:25:25] <zomg> :P
[10:25:32] <zomg> only my dogecoins are in a separate wallet
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[10:25:56] <SargoDarya> Because there were never any problems with exchanges shutting down huh?
[10:26:00] <SuperTyp> dang forgot my nail clipper at home
[10:27:35] <zomg> SargoDarya: nope never
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[10:40:59] <Elarcis> yoo
[10:41:05] <Elarcis> yo icebox
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[10:42:00] <icebox> Elarcis: hey
[10:42:20] <Elarcis> icebox: happy new year!
[10:43:57] <icebox> great! :)
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[13:00:13] <_132> is there a way to define strings on a component so that different instances of it do not conflict?
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[13:01:14] <_132> I am trying to put a spinning loading thingy on a chart component, but when I have more than one chart on the same page I get a conflict because the loading elements have the same id/name
[13:06:09] <SuperTyp> dont give it the same id/name then
[13:06:19] <SuperTyp> _132: show us some code
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[13:09:34] <Pyrrhus666> OT, https://xkcd.com/
[13:10:47] <_132> SuperTyp: its part of a bigger project (I recently joined), Ill try to make an mvp on plunkr
[13:11:25] <SuperTyp> we prefer stackblitz =)
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[13:19:07] <max_at> Hello
[13:20:21] <max_at> got a tricky named router-outlet question/issue. I need redirectTo for auxillary routes and not sure how to build it and do the selector. more specific including stackblitz here: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/48147397/angular-redirectto-named-router-outlet
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[13:23:06] <stanford_ai> How can I use a native UI but keep angular's two-way data binding. A native UI like react native does
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[13:25:50] <SuperTyp> max_at you could use child routes and use ** to redirect then maybe?
[13:26:30] <max_at> stanford_ai: have you had a look at www.nativescript.org ?
[13:27:07] <SargoDarya> Hey max_at, hows it going?
[13:27:17] <SuperTyp> max_at: just as a side note: not app.routiung.module.ts but app-routing.module.ts
[13:27:42] <max_at> ;-)
[13:29:25] <max_at> SargoDarya: fine so far, how about you?
[13:29:49] <stanford_ai> max_at: yes but is that a native UI like in react?
[13:30:08] <SargoDarya> Quite fine, shit tonne of work though
[13:33:07] <max_at> Also he does not like something like path: '**(calculator:scroll)'
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[13:35:23] <stanford_ai> max_at: NativeScript is angular2. I am talking about angularjs1. Angular2 is wayy too bloated
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[13:35:38] <tilerendering> hey
[13:37:11] <tilerendering> ppl, can you provide me a link on this topic maybe: storing variables into a specific server-set session cookie, so that they “live” as long as the session cookie is active (i.e. the session), but are propagated across multiple tabs and refreshes of the page
[13:37:15] <Pyrrhus666> stanford_ai, old versions of ionic.
[13:37:30] <Elarcis> tilerendering: sessionStorage
[13:37:35] <stanford_ai> Pyrrhus666: what? I'm talking about NativeScript with angularjs1
[13:37:55] <Elarcis> stanford_ai: thought you didn’t want to use nativescript
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[13:38:42] <Elarcis> tilerendering: nvm, sessionStorage varies between tabs
[13:38:47] <tilerendering> Elarcis: sessionStorage wont be propagated across tabs unfortunately
[13:38:52] <tilerendering> right…
[13:38:57] <Elarcis> tilerendering: sessionstorage + Symbols
[13:39:00] <Elarcis> tilerendering: ?
[13:39:09] <tilerendering> this is why I want to store the information in a specific cookie provided by the server
[13:39:42] <Pyrrhus666> stanford_ai, you wanted something like react native ? the only thing I know of for angularjs is ionic.
[13:40:18] <Elarcis> tilerendering: then what is stopping you from using a session cookie?
[13:40:28] <Elarcis> tilerendering: I don’t quite get your issue
[13:40:31] <stanford_ai> Elarcis: why not?
[13:40:31] <Pyrrhus666> then again, they probably don´t support it anymore.
[13:40:49] <stanford_ai> Pyrrhus666: Ionic isn't native UIs
[13:40:53] <Elarcis> stanford_ai: you said nativescript is angular 2 and that you’re using angularjs
[13:40:53] <tilerendering> Elarcis: I dont seem to find a way to retrieve a particular cookie by its name
[13:41:18] <stanford_ai> Elarcis: yes. NativeScript would work if it supports Angularjs1
[13:41:21] <tilerendering> also, I want my way of using it to “comply” to angular practices
[13:41:29] <stanford_ai> or at least vue.js
[13:42:18] <Pyrrhus666> nobody supports angularjs
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[13:43:02] <stanford_ai> Pyrrhus666: there's nothing better right now for fast prototyping
[13:43:28] <Pyrrhus666> that depends on the dev. vuejs works for me, as does ng5
[13:44:29] <icebox> back
[13:44:50] <stanford_ai> Pyrrhus666: ng5 is hyper bloated
[13:45:00] <icebox> _132: angularjs or angular?
[13:45:01] <Pyrrhus666> *shrug*
[13:45:07] <stanford_ai> you can't add ng5 to a single html... you have to create other files
[13:45:32] <Pyrrhus666> I have ng-cli do that for me.
[13:45:35] <Elarcis> ^
[13:46:58] <stanford_ai> Pyrrhus666: so now you have to install software on your computer, for a FRONT END web project?
[13:47:15] <Pyrrhus666> it´s not 1998 anymore
[13:47:17] <stanford_ai> Bloatware is when for a front end project that should run with just a browser, you now need to "compile" your project
[13:47:28] <Elarcis> stanford_ai: there’s a difference to me between fast prototyping and inline JS… if you’re prototyping, you don’t care about lightweightness or inlining JS, you’re building the base reasoning for your project.
[13:47:42] <icebox> stanford_ai: What You Talkin Bout Willis? :)
[13:47:51] <ngWalrus> wow it sounds like you don't just ftp your php scripts on to your webserver
[13:47:57] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, I got that reference ! :P
[13:47:59] <stanford_ai> Elarcis: no, you care about not having to install stupid software "tools" that re-make the wheel
[13:48:00] <ngWalrus> you darn frontend elitists
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[13:48:06] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: we are old :)
[13:48:35] <Pyrrhus666> stanford_ai, so don´t use angularjs. go vanilla and be done.
[13:48:37] <Elarcis> stanford_ai: correction: here you’re trying to remake the wheel yourself by not installing tools :P
[13:48:41] <stanford_ai> ngWalrus: you should just drag and drop
[13:49:10] <stanford_ai> Pyrrhus666: vanilla adds even MORE code. You have no data binding
[13:49:11] <ngWalrus> drag and drop scripts on my webzone
[13:49:26] <stanford_ai> Pyrrhus666: the idea is to have LESS code, and FEWER steps to getting stuff done
[13:49:33] <stanford_ai> adding command line tools is MORE steps
[13:49:43] <Pyrrhus666> like calling ´ng new´ ?
[13:49:44] <Elarcis> stanford_ai: wow dude
[13:49:45] <ngWalrus> dude if you don't need a framework then don't use a framework
[13:49:50] <stanford_ai> Elarcis: no tools are necessary!
[13:49:53] <icebox> please, no more
[13:49:56] <Pyrrhus666> are you trolling or what ?
[13:50:00] <stanford_ai> Elarcis: no tools are even helpful
[13:50:02] <Elarcis> icebox: agreed, this is stupid.
[13:50:11] <stanford_ai> Elarcis: the only reason he uses tools is because the framework FORCES him to make new files
[13:50:25] <stanford_ai> Elarcis: instead, use a framework that doesn't force you to be stupid and take extra steps
[13:50:36] <Elarcis> stanford_ai: please stop. We get you have your opinion, but right now you’re just dismissing stuff that people actually like, just for the sake of what you think is right.
[13:50:42] <stanford_ai> ngWalrus: who said I don't need a framework??
[13:51:06] <Elarcis> stanford_ai: we get it, u no like toolz, please move on. We can’t propose anything beyond angularjs for your requirements.
[13:51:20] <stanford_ai> Elarcis: it's not what I *think* is right. It's what's right. For prototyping you need speed and less bloat. I'm not talking about huge corporate projects
[13:51:29] <Pyrrhus666> dammit, it´s only monday and my popcorn is already running low...
[13:51:50] <Elarcis> stanford_ai: please, people have different opinions than you, you’re not the truth bringer of our channel :)
[13:51:54] <ngWalrus> also lol@people who write js
[13:52:06] <ngWalrus> not even using typescript to make it remotely more tolerable
[13:52:31] <Elarcis> ngWalrus: it requires tools, therefore it’s wrong :)
[13:52:45] <ngWalrus> why use a hammer when you have hands
[13:52:51] <ngWalrus> checkmate carpenters
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[13:53:56] <Pyrrhus666> so nailguns are the epitome of evil, right ?
[13:54:24] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: especially when you shoot a nail in your own eye socket and don’t notice it for months
[13:55:03] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, that... sounds hard and painful.
[13:55:44] <stanford_ai> ngWalrus: tools make sense when they don't slow you down. When you need to upload 1 file to your server, but modify a different file for coding, you're doing it wrong
[13:55:44] <max_at> don't feed the trolls ;-)
[13:56:24] <Pyrrhus666> damn, all those people doing C for 50 years were wrong all along...
[13:56:51] <ngWalrus> compilers trigger me tbqfwy
[13:56:53] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: But it’s not front-end!!!
[13:57:01] <SargoDarya> Not with that attitude
[13:57:17] <ngWalrus> what about wasm
[13:57:28] <ngWalrus> Elarcis:
[13:57:29] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, dunno, the things I use to type this look pretty front-end to me...
[13:58:13] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: pfft, front-end shmont-end, I code everything with notepad.exe
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[13:58:37] <max_at> Elarcis: poor win user
[13:58:38] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, I use rowhammer to flip bits in memory.
[13:58:40] <ngWalrus> notepad.exe and then telnet over to my server
[13:58:52] <SargoDarya> Elarcis: Why not vim?
[13:59:00] <ngWalrus> tread carefully
[13:59:27] <icebox> :)
[14:00:10] <Pyrrhus666> https://www.prismnet.com/~dierdorf/emacsvi.html <-- classic
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[14:02:08] <max_at> Again so many expensive developer working minutes wasted by meta discussion :P
[14:02:27] <max_at> focus. focus. f.. oh a butterfly
[14:02:30] <Elarcis> SargoDarya: jk, I code everything with butterflies
[14:03:16] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, but how do you avoid the storms ?
[14:04:27] <_132> icebox: angular, but I worked around it for now
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[14:05:33] <icebox> void function iife() {}(); === (function() {}()) - https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Operators/void
[14:05:45] <stanford_ai> C makes sense because it compiles to bytecode, just like ASM
[14:05:59] <stanford_ai> if typescript compiled to bytecode, it'd make sense
[14:06:00] <icebox> _132: ok... if you are stuck, ask it :)
[14:07:22] <stanford_ai> if you can have a js library that converts typescript to js when opening the website, then that makes sense. You don't need any command line tool
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[14:07:33] <Elarcis> stanford_ai: C doesn’t compile to bytecode to begin with
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[14:07:59] <icebox> please, fill https://blog.angular.io/angular-developer-survey-2018-f3d09d31d495
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[14:08:49] <_132> icebox: ok, will do :)
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[14:09:25] <temhaa> Hello
[14:10:01] <icebox> temhaa: hello
[14:10:07] <SargoDarya> Typescript to asm?
[14:10:10] <temhaa> for example I have this object a={b:null,c:{d:"blabla"}} I want to check is there a.b.c or not
[14:10:32] <temhaa> I dont want to check a && a.c && a.c.d
[14:10:33] <icebox> temhaa: well... it seems a js question :)
[14:10:34] <temhaa> Its so long
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[14:11:20] <icebox> temhaa: I am afraid you need to change language if you are looking for type as nullable
[14:11:22] <temhaa> icebox: yes. If angularjs has solution I should use angularjs. This is my opinion.
[14:11:43] <icebox> temhaa: angular(js) is not involved in your question
[14:12:24] <Elarcis> temhaa: that’s not a feature of JS
[14:12:27] <temhaa> icebox: ok. thanks. maybe you can give me a keyword for my question. I would be glad :)
[14:12:33] <Elarcis> temhaa: as much as everyone’d like for it to be
[14:12:57] <icebox> temhaa: there is a solution, of course, but I am afraid to open the rabbit hole... (hint: proxy objects)
[14:12:57] <Elarcis> temhaa: you’re looking for the null safe operator
[14:13:13] <stanford_ai> Elarcis: yes, C compiles to bytecode
[14:13:24] <stanford_ai> Elarcis: the times when it went through asm are long gone
[14:13:43] <temhaa> Elarcis: oh. ok thanks
[14:13:51] <temhaa> icebox: thanks you too
[14:13:57] <icebox> temhaa: you are welcome
[14:14:30] <Elarcis> stanford_ai: cool, such as the times you’d do proper JS projects without tooling, problem solved!
[14:14:49] <Elarcis> :P
[14:15:02] <Pyrrhus666> haha :)
[14:15:59] <icebox> stanford_ai: generally speaking, I joined late... what is your concern?
[14:16:52] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: https://www.amazon.com/Autonomous-Novel-Annalee-Newitz/dp/0765392070 very nice
[14:16:59] <stanford_ai> Elarcis: some changes are for the better. C->bytecode is obviously more efficient. Using tools for javascript is retarded
[14:17:13] <stanford_ai> it's not as if typescript actually added that much
[14:17:20] <Elarcis> stanford_ai: ah, so it works as long as it suits your point, I see.
[14:17:29] <stanford_ai> if typescript was so good, why don't browsers support it?
[14:17:42] <stanford_ai> Elarcis: i explained exactly the difference
[14:17:47] <Elarcis> stanford_ai: if bytecode was so good, why don’t browsers support it?
[14:17:57] <Elarcis> stanford_ai: yeh, "it’s good vs. it’s stupid$
[14:18:06] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis, well, they did once. java. ;P
[14:18:21] <stanford_ai> Elarcis: C compiles to bytecode so it runs most efficiently. Typescript compiles to javascript just so they don't have to support typescript on browsers :P so dumb
[14:18:23] <Elarcis> stanford_ai: are you always this bad at trolling?
[14:18:33] <stanford_ai> Elarcis: if typescript compiled to js asm, then that'd be useful
[14:18:39] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, that Neil Stephenson quote is promising...
[14:18:47] <dementey> Hi. Attention, maybe there's an error here? https://angular.io/tutorial/toh-pt3#update-the-heroescomponent-template HeroComponent - not true, HeroesComponent - right
[14:19:01] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: I read it and I recommend it :)
[14:19:08] <icebox> Elarcis: http://teavm.org/
[14:19:44] <icebox> dementey: do you mean there is a typo?
[14:19:45] <Elarcis> icebox: it must be terrible, it involves tools
[14:19:50] <icebox> Elarcis: :P
[14:20:01] <icebox> Elarcis: is brain a tool?
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[14:20:51] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, didn´t I see a java bytecode to wasm transpiler the other day ?
[14:21:04] <icebox> I am not sure but we did an almost identical talk about tools with the same user, I think, a few months ago
[14:21:15] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: I think so
[14:21:17] <Elarcis> icebox: probably
[14:22:15] <Elarcis> icebox: there’s always this "huh I’m stuck into the 90s I don’t like dev to be easy I prefer raw performances which of the for() loops is the fastest" guy
[14:22:32] <dementey> icebox: Sorry, really a typo
[14:24:42] <dementey> icebox: I meant if a typo, it makes sense to fix it
[14:25:10] <icebox> dementey: no problem... good catch... check in the issues if there is one filled... otherwise you may prepare a PR or open a new issue
[14:26:06] <stanford_ai> Honestly it seems most javascript frameworks were designed by totally retarded scriptkiddies. Why would you make angularjs ONLY work on html and not on native components like reactjs?
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[14:26:15] <icebox> dementey: and you got the status of contributor :)
[14:26:38] <Pyrrhus666> stanford_ai, because angularjs is dead.
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[14:27:01] <icebox> did I miss angular?
[14:27:05] <stanford_ai> Pyrrhus666: who killed it?
[14:27:19] <stanford_ai> Pyrrhus666: vue.js isn't dead and still... no native components
[14:27:34] <icebox> stanford_ai: so I suggest hyperhtml :)
[14:27:38] <Pyrrhus666> stanford_ai, so use react.
[14:28:02] <anli> Is there something like templates in angularjs?
[14:28:04] <dementey> icebox: so in fact this is a tutorial, maybe it's not so important)
[14:28:22] <icebox> dementey: all is important... also tiny contributions :)
[14:28:34] <Pyrrhus666> anli, yes. unless you mean something I don´t understand ;)
[14:28:41] <icebox> anli: what do you mean?
[14:28:47] <anli> A html snippet
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[14:29:04] <stanford_ai> Pyrrhus666: react is even worse
[14:29:05] <icebox> anli: templateUrl?
[14:29:25] <anli> I want to declare a template together with the rest of the html
[14:29:31] <Pyrrhus666> stanford_ai, you are full of ideas, so build your own
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[14:29:52] <icebox> stanford_ai: really I don't understand your point... complaining about the frameworks in #angularjs?
[14:30:35] <Pyrrhus666> anli, there is <script type=¨text/ng-template¨ id=¨nameoftemplate.html¨></script>
[14:30:50] <icebox> anli: do you mean <script type = "text/template ... ?
[14:31:03] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: on the same page :)
[14:31:05] <Pyrrhus666> anli, that way you can define the templates inline
[14:31:23] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, great minds and all that :P
[14:31:31] <anli> More like <div ng-template="foobar"><!-- dom structure .-></div>
[14:31:33] <anli> oops
[14:31:36] <stanford_ai> icebox: yes
[14:31:43] <icebox> stanford_ai: great :P
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[14:31:52] <Pyrrhus666> anli, no, it must be script-tags, afaik.
[14:32:26] <anli> well, that seems interesting as well, is that angular 1?
[14:32:28] <icebox> stanford_ai: a few times we touched that topic and different users have different opinions... so you are welcome
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[14:33:46] <icebox> stanford_ai: generally speaking, there are worthy reading resources about framework status, frontend, and generally speaking, about js "fatigue"
[14:34:16] <icebox> stanford_ai: it depends on what is your aim :)
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[14:35:03] <icebox> anli: it is js
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[14:38:44] <anli> <script type="text/ng-template" id=¨nameoftemplate.html¨></script> seems to be ng to me
[14:39:17] <Pyrrhus666> it´s angularjs.
[14:39:28] <anli> <ng-template #loading> then?
[14:39:28] <Pyrrhus666> (I guess that´s what icebox meant)
[14:39:43] <Pyrrhus666> anli, no, that´s angular
[14:39:46] <anli> ok
[14:42:01] <anli> There also seems to be a <template> tag...
[14:42:12] <anli> oh, not in IE11
[14:42:22] <Pyrrhus666> anli, that´s html5 ;)
[14:42:27] <anli> yeah
[14:42:47] <max_at> I am looking at https://angular.io/api/router/UrlMatcher and wonder if I am somehow able to define the "redirectTo" from inside the matcher
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[14:46:07] <Pyrrhus666> max_at, wouldn´t it be easier to have dummy objects respond to the old route and let them redirect, simply with router.navigateByUrl or something ?
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[14:46:24] <Pyrrhus666> this all sounds way too complicated ;)
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[14:49:13] <max_at> Yea, I think I create a ResilienceComponent or so and handle routings manually there
[14:49:46] <anli> Is the sample code on https://docs.angularjs.org/guide/templates the correct one for the page?
[14:51:05] <Pyrrhus666> anli, it is, but it´s not what you´re looking for I think
[14:51:38] <icebox> anli: what is your request? how to inject (to load) html?
[14:51:38] <anli> ok
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[14:54:13] <Pyrrhus666> anli, I think you want this https://docs.angularjs.org/api/ng/directive/script
[14:54:20] <anli> I just dont want to have the same html snippets everywhere
[14:54:53] <anli> I checked that, tried <div ng-include="foo"></div> without success
[14:55:05] <icebox> anli: create a component for your common stuff and use it
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[14:55:28] <Pyrrhus666> anli, you MUST use script tags. check the example in the link.
[14:55:30] <anli> Yeah, but thats not angularjs, is it?
[14:55:37] <anli> I was using a script tag
[14:56:00] <Pyrrhus666> anli, then you were doing it wrong, because that should work ;)
[14:56:14] <anli> https://pastebin.com/A4TWamm9
[14:56:19] <anli> Just taking a chance
[14:56:48] <anli> guessing
[14:57:07] <anli> oh
[14:57:10] <anli> src
[14:57:12] <Pyrrhus666> that will never work. you need to do the ng-include in another template, not the body
[14:57:15] <icebox> anli: it doesn't work in that way... check the docs
[14:57:20] <icebox> anli: yep (src)
[14:57:30] <anli> thats cool
[14:57:47] <icebox> anli: anyway it is more idiomatic using a component
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[14:58:07] <anli> I thought this was more idiomatic
[14:58:21] <Pyrrhus666> or use an old-skool directive
[14:58:25] <icebox> anli: no... it is an hack for jquery users :)
[14:58:40] <anli> So how would I create a component?
[14:58:50] <anli> (did not work using src btw)
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[14:58:56] <Pyrrhus666> https://docs.angularjs.org/guide/component
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[14:58:59] <anli> Do I need to have an ng-app?
[14:59:02] <anli> lol
[14:59:07] <icebox> anli: https://github.com/toddmotto/angularjs-styleguide
[14:59:07] <Pyrrhus666> anli, always
[14:59:24] <anli> Thats not a html snippet
[14:59:52] <anli> I prefer the less idiomatic way here, it seems
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[15:02:50] <anli> no output with https://pastebin.com/Svd2PYq0
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[15:03:21] <icebox> anli: no plunker, no party :)
[15:03:27] <anli> lol
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[15:03:31] <anli> ok :)
[15:03:42] <anli> no cake...
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[15:03:52] <icebox> anli: https://plnkr.co/edit/AwFwx7VyOAS6NlCv9SHQ?p=preview
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[15:04:20] <Pyrrhus666> anli, now you´re just doing random things hoping something will work...
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[15:04:34] <anli> no, it not random
[15:04:39] <anli> +s
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[15:04:56] <anli> Using src when I could read that src should be used is not guessing, for instance
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[15:05:02] <Pyrrhus666> anli, looks random to me. this looks like nothing that´s in the manual,
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[15:07:03] <anli> It seems like using anything else than $scope.currentTpl is out of question
[15:07:32] <Pyrrhus666> ok, I give up ;)
[15:07:45] <anli> So src needs indirection, cannot just put the name of the template there
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[15:10:00] <anli> <div id="tpl-content" ng-include src="'/tpl.html'"></div> seems to work
[15:10:34] <anli> Still random to you?
[15:11:39] <max_at> Pyrrhus666: I have now at least a working solution based on your suggestion, thanks. Leaving the old route definition in place, added a new comp that is only doing redirects based on received input.
[15:12:27] <anli> ok, having the script tag inside <body> also made the difference
[15:15:11] <Pyrrhus666> max_at, I think a redirect at the level of the route definition would be hard, so this sounds the easiest way
[15:15:22] <anli> https://plnkr.co/edit/uftTFKDLQ1Dpa4KqxEbO?p=preview
[15:15:47] <anli> oh, multiple ids tpl-content
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[15:34:26] <anli> I have a webpage where cliking links only results in the address field to be updated (showing the new page url), but the page is not loaded, anyone having a good idea of how to debug that?
[15:34:34] <anli> the network tab shows no activity
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[15:40:29] <anli> Is it even possible to write a javascript that changes the adress field but do not navigate the browser?
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[15:45:39] <icebox> anli: yes, it is possible
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[15:45:51] <anli> strange, why would the browser allow that
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[15:46:31] <icebox> anli: it was the rationale behind the hashtag
[15:46:56] <icebox> anli: do you mean exactly the address part?
[15:47:25] <icebox> anli: for instance, from foo.bar.com to baz.bar.com?
[15:47:35] <icebox> anli: no, that is not possibile
[15:48:01] <anli> https://i.imgur.com/IC0xzFo.png
[15:48:28] <anli> I did not try to change the host actually, only the page
[15:48:48] <anli> But the browser does not seem to navigate to that page, only change the contents of the address field
[15:48:55] <seventh__> ahoy all !
[15:49:48] <icebox> seventh__: hey
[15:50:25] <icebox> anli: for instance?
[15:51:43] <SuperTyp> hi seventh__
[15:53:24] <icebox> anli: read this one for hints https://docs.angularjs.org/guide/$location
[15:53:47] <anli> oh, its the html5mode
[15:54:50] <anli> You were right about $location
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[15:56:14] <icebox> # hash #! hashbang #please hashtag
[15:56:21] <icebox> :P
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[15:56:36] <Pyrrhus666> it´s called a pound sign ! :P
[15:56:59] <anli> Its strange to put a # in front of every link
[15:57:14] <Pyrrhus666> which is why we use html5mode
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[16:02:25] <anli> rewriteLinks false seems to be a sane default (instead of true)
[16:02:40] <anli> I seldom want all links trashed
[16:03:35] <Pyrrhus666> angular has no links, just routes ;
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[16:03:43] <anli> But <a> tags has
[16:03:46] <anli> (had)
[16:03:56] <Pyrrhus666> not in angularjs
[16:04:15] <anli> You mean that angularjs is aware of all a hrefs?
[16:04:35] <icebox> anli: https://docs.angularjs.org/api/ng/directive/ngHref see last section for an example
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[16:07:52] <anli> And I though my browser was broken...
[16:08:16] <anli> Thanks for the info
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[16:09:13] <anli> I do not indent to do a SPA of my webpage, but I need html5mode to be able to read url params
[16:09:18] <anli> intend
[16:09:31] <anli> Seems to be working by using rewriteLinks false
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[16:13:31] <anli> I hate that background highlighting https://i.imgur.com/aYQvzjg.png
[16:13:53] <anli> Sorry to use that strong words
[16:14:29] <icebox> anli: change your editor theme :)
[16:14:58] <anli> yeah, wonder what that category is called... "not all strings"?
[16:15:50] <anli> I like the color scheme as sush
[16:15:52] <anli> such
[16:15:57] <icebox> OT: https://medium.com/javascript-scene/top-javascript-libraries-tech-to-learn-in-2018-c38028e028e6
[16:16:08] <Pyrrhus666> much more OT : https://portalsoflondon.com/2017/07/02/the-woolwich-anomaly/
[16:17:00] <anli> It would be so nice if I could hover a pixel in my text editor and get a description of why the pixel has just that color
[16:17:14] <anli> Which category that made it have that color
[16:17:25] <SuperTyp> IntelliJ ftw
[16:17:36] <anli> It lets you do that?
[16:18:05] <anli> Instead of such a feature, this is what I got: https://i.imgur.com/FovXhxT.png
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[16:18:18] <anli> lol
[16:18:49] <anli> Cannot even search in that list
[16:18:53] <Pyrrhus666> icebox, so, react it is then ;)
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[16:27:17] <anli> Seems to be a highlighting for strings that begins with hashmark
[16:27:48] <anli> Who wants such a highlighting :)
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[16:37:18] <icebox> off... bye
[16:38:03] <Pyrrhus666> later icebox
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[16:41:48] <Peppa_Swine> git status
[16:42:05] <Pyrrhus666> 404 ?
[16:42:14] <icebox> :P
[16:43:04] <anli> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/48153538/display-item-to-select-for-highlighting-selector-in-javascript
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[16:45:21] <Elarcis> adieu icebox
[16:45:35] <SuperTyp> bye icebox
[16:46:22] <Peppa_Swine> all of them.
[16:48:33] <Peppa_Swine> it might require some getting used to, but from my experience, switching off all the colors helped me paying closer attention (=better understand) the codez.
[16:49:19] <Elarcis> Peppa_Swine: outch, I never want to try that
[16:49:27] <Elarcis> Peppa_Swine: code is boring enough with colors :P
[16:49:44] <Peppa_Swine> https://imgur.com/a/aVSb8
[16:50:03] <Pyrrhus666> just add a rotating palette, like with the old skool demos.
[16:50:10] <Pyrrhus666> trippy af...
[16:50:20] <Pyrrhus666> off in a bit. later folks
[16:50:23] <Elarcis> haha
[16:52:59] <Peppa_Swine> i have a tiny piece in my .vimrc that switches between dark and light colorschemes depending on the time of the day. :p
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[16:53:39] <Pyrrhus666> hehe, like f.lux for vim. noice :)
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[16:54:01] <Elarcis> Peppa_Swine: nice indeed
[16:54:14] <Elarcis> Peppa_Swine: I stay in dark scheme all day
[16:54:15] <Elarcis> :P
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[16:57:04] <Peppa_Swine> https://i.imgur.com/vDqiJuk.jpg
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[16:58:51] <Peppa_Swine> i've been working an an office back in the day, and the window was right behind my back. on a sunny day i couldn't see shit, so the light theme helped.
[16:59:04] <Peppa_Swine> then i automated the switching.
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[17:08:32] <Peppa_Swine> https://github.com/antonshulgin/vimrc
[17:08:38] <Peppa_Swine> here, if you're interested
[17:08:44] <Peppa_Swine> (i know you aren't)
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[17:12:40] <Elarcis> (indeed) :P
[17:13:19] <Peppa_Swine> (that's cold)
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[17:18:42] <Elarcis> Peppa_Swine: I’m cold
[17:19:03] <Elarcis> Peppa_Swine: my heater is off
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[20:40:39] <powerninja> Hi having all these npm dependencies issues with angular, wondering if someone can help? Thanks
[20:42:32] <powerninja> should I just npm install just @latest? thanks https://hastebin.com/ugevukecow.pl
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[21:10:52] <metrixx> hi girls
[21:11:14] <metrixx> how do you name angular projects?
[21:11:43] <metrixx> hmm AppUI maybe
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[21:18:39] <ringzer0_> Angular5: Newb question: If I am binding a <form> element's input boxes via [(ngModel)]="newSign.description" ... then where do I need to initialize newSign?
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[21:38:20] <Xgc> ringzer0: It could be a property in some.component.ts
[21:38:40] <Xgc> Lost him.
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[23:22:46] <Nemesis19> hello, can you suggest me where should I define a redirect if not params are passed to a state? I have a state like this ‘/url-link:id’. In case of missing ‘id’, I’d like to redirect to ‘/something’. What should I do? I tried with state.onEnter to check via $transition$.params().id, I tried to define the redirect inside a resolve (where resolving one of the data), I tried to use the
[23:22:46] <Nemesis19> $transitionProvider…but it doesn’t work
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[23:43:30] <graingert> metrixx: avoid names like app or module
[23:43:44] <graingert> metrixx: or project
[23:43:51] <graingert> like we already know it's an app
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