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[02:32:04] <jpstone> it's not recommended to separate controllers and views...oh wait, this is angular
[02:32:05] <jpstone> :D
[02:32:52] <heartburn> controllers and views are very much separated in ng. not sure what you mean.
[02:33:29] <heartburn> if you have 3 different representation layers that have identical logic, there's no point in making three identical controllers for them.
[02:33:45] <heartburn> might just reuse one.
[02:34:12] <jpstone> or just use scope inheritance
[02:34:26] <jpstone> in reality you shouldn't have logic in controllers
[02:34:49] <jpstone> just use them to attach things to scope
[02:34:55] <jpstone> keep your logic in services
[02:34:58] <heartburn> you don't even need scope for that, the controller gets newed, so you end up with 3 instances of the same thing.
[02:35:41] <heartburn> the point about services is valid, it's just not always achievable.
[02:37:18] <jpstone> i haven't run into a use case where it hasn't been achievable
[02:37:19] <jpstone> not yet anyway
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[03:08:35] <_geoff> so i was just hacking along on a project and suddenluy my shit is broken and i have the most annoying error ever:  app/services/dataset.service.ts(12,18): error TS2304: Cannot find name 'int'.
[03:08:41] <_geoff> cannot find name int.  wtf
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[03:11:27] <_geoff> what does that even mean
[03:11:34] <_geoff> it was JUST WORKING
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[03:19:52] <jpstone> ugh, ts
[03:19:53] <jpstone> :D
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[04:02:23] <heartburn> _geoff: try #typescript.
[04:02:41] <heartburn> likely you didn't import something called 'int'
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[05:20:09] <dman777_alter> stange.... I have an array of objects on 2 seperate views. When I switch views, the object data is modified.... my timeStamp value is removed and also a $$hashKey: "object:51" is placed on the object. This is strange, because the data shouldnt modified at all
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[05:21:02] <zomg> iirc $$hashkey stuff shows up if you use the data in an ng-repeat
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[05:24:32] <dman777_alter> why would it be removeing my timeStamp? It will show:  {timeStamp: null, glucoseLevel: 400}
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[05:25:27] <zomg> hard to say, unless your code removes, it shouldn't touch that
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[05:28:20] <dman777_alter> zomg: http://dpaste.com/0864TZJ I'm injecting the mock data through the 'value' service, so it shouldn't be modified at all.
[05:29:13] <dman777_alter> it only happens if I leave the view and come back to it
[05:29:21] <dman777_alter> makes me feel like something wrong in memory
[05:29:41] <zomg> unless line-chart-d3 changes it
[05:29:59] <zomg> nothing in the code you show here touches it so that seems like the only place where it might get changed
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[05:32:46] <dman777_alter> zomg: It's got to be d3. can it modifiy the angular.module('demo').value() service?
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[05:33:06] <zomg> since you pass the same object references around, it's possible
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[05:33:14] <zomg> I don't see why it would but who knows
[05:33:30] <zomg> you can try doing an angular.clone of the data you assign into scope to see
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[05:33:51] <zomg> cloning would just duplicate everything so the data from the value shouldn't change anymore
[05:34:02] <dman777_alter> zomg: cool, thanks!
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[05:36:50] <dman777_alter> zomg: yep, that fixed it.  thanks again!
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[05:37:51] <zomg> np
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[05:42:58] <Guest39802> HI Guys, I got a question with $http.post. Can I make multiple Asynch $http.post with the same URL?
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[05:44:06] <Guest39802> anyone here?
[05:45:14] <zomg> Guest39802: sure, just run it several times
[05:45:26] <zomg> each call to $http.post (or any of the other $http funcs) will create a new async request
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[05:48:20] <Guest39802> If I have something like below and the second request response first, the first request you sent will be broken  var url = "http://sameurl" $http.post(url).then(function(response){      }) $http.post(url).then(function(response){     $http.post(url) })
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[05:58:47] <heartburn> Guest39802: you either need to utilise promise chaining or $q.
[05:59:00] <heartburn> not clear what you're trying to achieve with that.
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[05:59:46] <heartburn> chaining is for processing the same promise multiple times, like .then().then().catch().then().catch()...
[06:00:08] <heartburn> $q is for doing something after a bunch of promises resolved.
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[06:00:44] <heartburn> https://docs.angularjs.org/api/ng/service/$q
[06:01:29] <heartburn> basically, $q.all(arrayOfPromises).then(function (responses) { /* do stuff. */ })
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[06:09:55] <Guest39802>  Is it possible to run below, at the same time? I have tried $q.all, the first request you sent will be broken if the second request response first. Only then().then() is working  var url = "http://sameurl" $http.post(url).then(function(response){      }) $http.post(url).then(function(response){     $http.post(url) })
[06:11:15] <heartburn> then it seems like you have to resolve the second one after the first gets resolved.
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[06:12:21] <heartburn> as in promise1.then(function (response) { /* resolved, doing the second one */ promise2.then(function (response) { /* both resolved. */ }) });
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[06:21:43] <dman777_alter> template: '<div md-whiteframe="4" ng-class="{ large: largeSheet, med: medSheet, small: smallSheet }"></div>'... this is from my directive. is it possible to set the ng-class in my link function?
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[06:23:37] <joe__> where can i read more about directives guys forexample orderByMe
[06:24:38] <joe__> filters i mean
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[06:32:27] <dman777_alter> nm
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[06:33:28] <dman777_alter> joe__: angualar 1?
[06:34:28] <dman777_alter> maybe this http://angular-tips.com/blog/2014/04/introduction-to-unit-test-filters/
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[07:37:40] <kevr> People suggest you separate frontend framework and backend api completely, i have a rails project which i use angular in, does that sound like good information?
[07:38:00] <kevr> er, a good suggestion
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[07:38:32] <GreenJello> kevr, yep
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[08:14:47] <sbeex> good morning
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[08:20:42] <heartburn> the morning is alright, yea.
[08:20:46] <heartburn> sorry.
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[09:33:39] <Elarcis> Hi!
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[09:34:22] <icebox> hey
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[09:34:41] <Pyrrhus666> good morning y´all
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[09:36:17] <Elarcis> "y'all"
[09:36:40] <Elarcis> dunno why, this cracks me up
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[09:36:57] <Pyrrhus666> yeah, my texan accent is sucky at best, I know
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[09:43:17] <Elarcis> Hi uru
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[09:43:37] <uru> Morning Elarcis. You're going to hate me today, I 100%ed Obduction this weekend :)
[09:43:38] <Preuk> hello
[09:43:48] <Elarcis> I hate you.
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[09:44:09] <Elarcis> Not you Preuk, just that little bastard uru
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[09:44:30] * uru looks smug
[09:44:39] <Preuk> don't worry, i feel the same... these people you can spend their week-ends playing XD
[09:44:54] <Preuk> s/you/who/
[09:45:49] <Elarcis> Preuk: I spent my week-end playing, just not that game /c
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[09:48:32] <Preuk> :'(
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[09:58:52] <Elarcis> Preuk: if it can comfort you, I was pretty terrible at it
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[10:03:13] <Guest46919> how to remove the white space on top in a web page?
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[10:05:42] <uru> Guest46919: css?
[10:06:01] <Guest46919> yeah
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[10:06:15] <uru> Not really an angular question ;)
[10:06:34] <Guest46919> there is no group for css
[10:06:48] <uru> There's google though, or any other number of search engines
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[10:14:39] <DieguezZ> hi, any ideas on why when i have multiple error messages only shows the first one happening? if you type 'abc' in the input, you'll see a pattern error, if you delete everything, the field stays red, but the message is not appearing. http://codepen.io/anon/pen/yayrpP
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[10:14:53] <JJH_> hello everyone
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[10:17:50] <DieguezZ> i am trying with 1.0.9, with 1.1.0 its working
[10:17:57] <Elarcis> DieguezZ: good question, I have no idea
[10:18:16] <Elarcis> DieguezZ: however, your version of angularjs is awfully old, so it might be an old bug that has been corrected since
[10:18:17] <Pyrrhus666> DieguezZ: seems a bug with ng-messages, the $error is set correctly each time.
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[10:19:09] <Pyrrhus666> and what Elarcis says. you should upgrade :)
[10:19:12] <DieguezZ> thanks guys :) ill try to upgrade..
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[10:19:16] <JJH_> hey i've got a little problem with a drop down
[10:19:20] <JJH_> http://www.bootply.com/o5lf1n6s5L
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[10:19:28] <DieguezZ> yeah, i freezed 1.0.9 because i had problems with 1.1.0
[10:19:42] <JJH_> here is my code , i would like to keep the dropdown open when i click on a check box
[10:20:03] <Elarcis> DieguezZ: https://github.com/angular/angular.js/releases/tag/v1.1.0
[10:20:15] <Elarcis> DieguezZ: 1.1.0 has been released in 2012
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[10:20:58] <rooney307> hey! Can anyone help with Angular2?
[10:21:06] <rooney307> I get error: EXCEPTION: Error: Uncaught (in promise): EXCEPTION: Error in ORIGINAL EXCEPTION: TypeError: Cannot read property of undefined
[10:21:10] <DieguezZ> talking about material design version Elarcis
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[10:21:16] <rooney307> i store my values in this.project
[10:21:16] <DieguezZ> angular material sorry
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[10:21:23] <Elarcis> DieguezZ: what
[10:21:37] <rooney307> on init  "nginit" i make request after data
[10:21:47] <Elarcis> DieguezZ: ngMessages isn't Material Design
[10:21:48] <rooney307> but on render i get this error..
[10:22:05] <rooney307> "ngOnInit*"
[10:22:13] <DieguezZ> sorry Elarcir, what i ment, is that with angular-material 1.1.0 its working. With angular-material 1.0.9 is not
[10:22:21] <Elarcis> DieguezZ: ah.
[10:22:25] <DieguezZ> so looks related to angular-material relation with ng-messages
[10:22:48] <Elarcis> DieguezZ: Ah yes, I can see that you're indeed using angularjs 1.5.0, my bad
[10:23:02] <rooney307> then i declare "this.project = {}" at the start of ngOnInit it doesnt fail, but webpack sends error then
[10:23:10] <rooney307> Property 'id' is missing in type '{}'.
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[10:23:35] <heartburn> it smells like ts, not webpack.
[10:23:39] <Elarcis> DieguezZ: it seems so, when removing the md-input-container, the messages are updfated accordingly
[10:24:04] <rooney307> heartburn: i agre.. just saying my workaround that webpack doesnt like :)
[10:24:16] <rooney307> but without ir rendering failes...
[10:24:29] <rooney307> it*
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[10:25:01] <Pyrrhus666> JJH_: you should probably use https://angular-ui.github.io/bootstrap/#/dropdown instead of straight bootstrap. this allows programmatic control of the dropfown.
[10:25:06] <DieguezZ> yeah Elarcis , ill have to update angular-material, and fix my breaking changes
[10:25:19] <DieguezZ> thanks a lot for your help
[10:25:21] <Elarcis> DieguezZ: I'm afraid so!
[10:25:25] <Elarcis> np
[10:26:43] <JJH_> I know my problem is not realy an angular one
[10:27:27] <Pyrrhus666> JJH_: it is, insofar as you´re not using angular for the dropdown ;)
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[10:28:48] <JJH_> oh sorry Prrhus i didnt see your first answer
[10:29:07] <Pyrrhus666> JJH_: no problem ;)
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[10:30:32] <JJH_> Btw on the link you send me there is still the same problem
[10:30:47] <JJH_> you can't keep the dropdown open while clicking inside
[10:30:51] <Pyrrhus666> JJH_: see the autoclose option
[10:30:56] <JJH_> okok ty
[10:31:04] <Pyrrhus666> sry, auto-close.
[10:32:07] <Pyrrhus666> JJH_: btw, having checkboxes in a dropdown feels weird, but that´s just my opinion ;)
[10:32:08] <JJH_> sadly i dont think i'll be able to use this cause i need some import
[10:32:20] <JJH_> i know but that what i got asked to do
[10:32:28] <JJH_> sometimes customer have their idea x)
[10:32:48] <Pyrrhus666> JJH_: you need to install angular-ui´s bootstrap module. is that a problem ?
[10:33:29] <JJH_> Nvm it's already imported
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[10:33:39] <JJH_> otherwise yes it would be a problem
[10:33:54] <Pyrrhus666> you have strange customers ;)
[10:34:13] <JJH_> customer + society policy = problems
[10:34:26] <JJH_> i'm mean
[10:34:27] <JJH_> office*
[10:35:27] <JJH_> Btw thanks for the answer
[10:35:46] <Pyrrhus666> np, hope it helps ;)
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[10:40:05] <cart_man> Hey guys...no matter how I try and import socket.io-client I just cant seem to get it right...I get this error -> " GET http://localhost:3000/vendor/socket.io-client/socket.io.js/index.js 500 (Internal Server Error) "
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[10:46:24] <Pyrrhus666> cart_man: if you get that, there should also be a logged error somewhere telling you what caused the 500 response...
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[10:47:17] <cart_man> Pyrrhus666: Yes it did actuslly
[10:47:23] <cart_man> actually`
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[10:48:48] <Elarcis> acutally
[10:50:04] <Pyrrhus666> acutely ?
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[10:52:01] <Elarcis> cute lilly
[10:52:04] <Elarcis> ...wait no
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[10:54:05] <cart_man> Pyrrhus666: Yes it does say error(500)
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[10:56:11] <Pyrrhus666> for the interested among us : http://www.righto.com/2016/06/y-combinators-xerox-alto-restoring.html
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[10:56:36] <Pyrrhus666> they are currently on part 5, the whole project is interesting as f*ck.
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[11:03:50] <Elarcis> holy hell
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[11:03:57] <Foxandxss> damn, did it wrong
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[11:04:10] <Elarcis> indeed
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[11:05:01] <Elarcis> how comes they left for excess flood, without posting anything?
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[11:05:30] <Foxandxss> other channels
[11:05:33] <icebox> Elarcis: preventing is better than curing :)
[11:05:34] <Foxandxss> we are not the center of the world
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[11:05:47] <Elarcis> ah, so they're flooding another channel
[11:05:55] <Elarcis> smurt
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[11:06:04] <Elarcis> Foxandxss: I thought we were
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[11:06:53] <Elarcis> looks like it worked
[11:06:57] <Foxandxss> indeed
[11:07:01] <Elarcis> Bravo!
[11:07:03] <Foxandxss> I am not used to ban manually
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[11:12:18] <angrybacon> Still going strong in ##javascript
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[11:17:14] <cart_man> Pyrrhus666: Where in my project do I state that node_modules/socket.io-client must also be served so I wont get the 500 error?
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[11:19:45] <Pyrrhus666> cart_man: you still haven´t found what causes the 500 error. it´s a symptom, you need to go deeper.
[11:21:34] <Elarcis> angrybacon: this is spooky
[11:21:54] <cart_man> Pyrrhus666: Says -> (index):22 Error: Error: XHR error (500 Internal Server Error) loading http://localhost:3000/vendor/socket.io-client/socket.io.js/index.js(…)   ...just so you know
[11:22:04] <Elarcis> damn, VSCode's monthly release is late https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode/milestones
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[11:22:50] <Elarcis> cart_man: but this is a 500 error, so a server-side error, it's not a 404
[11:23:03] <Pyrrhus666> cart_man: the 500 suggests that your server goes wrong, you need to figure out why.
[11:23:05] <cart_man> Elarcis: Ohhh : /
[11:23:17] <Elarcis> yep
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[11:24:03] <cart_man> Im guessing its the Socket.io-client include ... if I comment actually using io.on('connected', funciton... ) the erros goes away... I have been trouble including a simple socket.io-client lib
[11:24:34] <Elarcis> cart_man: can't help you on that, I've been avoiding server-side JS like the black plague for the last two years
[11:24:59] <cart_man> Elarcis: I am slowly getting there with you .... seriously how can it be soo hard
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[11:25:08] <Elarcis> I use nodeJS and npm because the dev tools are amazing, but I'll stop there :D
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[11:26:02] <cart_man> Elarcis: Thing is I built this entire Angular2 site and its awesome and not too bad of a learning curve... not I want to join the Angular2 side with my Express server... NOPE
[11:26:07] <Pyrrhus666> the tools are cool, but versioning hell when using npm is looming around every corner ;)
[11:26:56] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: holy hell yes
[11:27:14] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: I told my project manager I'll have to update most libs one day, because they fixed all the versions in stone
[11:27:24] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: and I'm scared of the day I'll have to do it
[11:27:34] <Elarcis> dat line sync
[11:27:42] <Pyrrhus666> you and me both...
[11:28:18] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: good thing is: I got rid of most gulp-related packages, so they'll get removed without any mercy
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[11:30:35] <Pyrrhus666> when first looking at the whole js ecosystem, the choice of tools drove me to the brink of madness. it still does sometimes.
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[11:35:46] <Preuk> that's something taht bothers me, coming from java world
[11:36:06] <cart_man> Guys can Angular2 be its own webserver ? Do I really need Express?
[11:36:29] <Preuk> maven is cryptic to set up properly, but once set dependencies updating is pretty smooth
[11:37:07] <Preuk> cart_man: see ng2 tutorials, it uses a light http server
[11:37:40] <cart_man> Preuk: I thought the light http was just for building and debugging ?
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[11:37:45] <Preuk> as long as you don't need services, any webserver able to serve static resources should be fine
[11:38:53] <Preuk> just set up lighttpd, apache, iis, whatever
[11:40:38] <cart_man> Preuk: Ok just to clarify ... as in Services you mean things like a Socket.io server that needs to remain active?
[11:40:49] <cart_man> Preuk: Sorry my brain is breaking... I had 2 hours sleep
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[11:41:20] <Preuk> to answer your question : your only need express if you need server-side code
[11:41:41] <Elarcis> cart_man: by service, we mean any kind of server-side logic other than just serving your static files
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[11:48:46] <cart_man> Preuk: Ohhh I see.. ok well then im out of luck it seems
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[11:50:17] <jdy> hello
[11:50:41] <jdy> nobody?
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[11:52:28] <Preuk> so little patience...
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[11:55:21] <bpcpi> hi
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[12:00:53] <Elarcis> hi bpcpi
[12:01:16] <Elarcis> Preuk: 35 seconds, not bad
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[12:01:48] <Elarcis> Preuk: hope their sexual performance is slower though
[12:02:07] <Preuk> Elarcis: i hope so for their partners
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[12:02:32] <Preuk> my 2yo have about the same attention span
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[12:18:51] <arpit> hello every
[12:18:52] <arpit>  one
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[12:19:23] <arpit> sir , i have a problem in photoeditor
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[12:22:36] <vondrc> Hello I have a problem. Problem: using ng-include, when response status is 200 it include responsed page. When response status is for example 404 it do nothing. There is a xhr response in chrome network tab but ng-include ignore it. Is it possible somehow include template using ng-include even when response code is different than 200?
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[12:25:10] <eloneth> Hello guys, I am new to angular 2
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[12:31:28] <Preuk> 2 and 3 minutes ... getting better
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[12:37:56] <bpcpi> how to do a unit test on my controller
[12:38:22] <bpcpi> what are the things i have to intall for it
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[12:40:29] <icebox> bpcpi: did you read the docs?
[12:40:43] <bpcpi> yes
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[12:41:01] <icebox> bpcpi: nice... so you have the answer :)
[12:43:19] <bpcpi> i want to know all the detail process to do unit or E2E test
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[12:44:14] <icebox> bpcpi: it is explained in the docs
[12:44:27] <icebox> bpcpi: did you read the guide?
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[12:56:14] <Elarcis> back and alive!
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[12:57:08] <Elarcis> icebox: dat bpcpi ragequit
[12:57:20] <Elarcis> I hate those 'I want to know everything' questions
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[12:58:06] <Elarcis> if you want to know everything, practice and ask questions as you progress, there's no diploma for experience
[12:59:34] <ngWalrus> I'm just about dead x_x
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[12:59:50] <Elarcis> awww
[12:59:54] <Elarcis> what happened?
[13:00:45] <ngWalrus> how can someone write code that parses through html
[13:00:55] <ngWalrus> and have it not work with the <link> -element
[13:02:06] <icebox> ngWalrus: because it is a parser oriented to "body" tag :)
[13:02:36] <Elarcis> ngWalrus: because the <link> element doesn't autoclose or someshit?
[13:03:09] <ngWalrus> icebox  that's probably it
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[13:04:51] <ngWalrus> wouldn't have this problem if the fucking thing ran vanilla javascript
[13:04:57] <ngWalrus> how it works at all is a mystery
[13:05:20] <Elarcis> "we made our own custom lib to parse HTML, so we can add features to it if we want to!"
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[13:06:55] <ngWalrus> for some reason all these errors happen on their end on their ios devices
[13:07:08] <ngWalrus> so I'm not sure if these are just weird ios chrome bugs or user errors
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[13:13:36] <tritian> is Angular 2 still not really recommended for Enterprise webapps?
[13:14:19] <Elarcis> tritian: I suggest you wait a bit more
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[13:15:07] <tritian> k
[13:16:11] <ngWalrus> https://splintercode.github.io/is-angular-2-ready/
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[13:17:17] <tritian> k
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[13:17:29] <tritian> thanks
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[13:20:06] <vondrc> Hello I have a problem. Problem: using ng-include, when response status is 200 it include responsed page. When response status is for example 404 it do nothing. There is a xhr response in chrome network tab but ng-include ignore it. Is it possible somehow include template using ng-include even when response code is different than 200?
[13:21:44] <jlebrech> vondrc: do you have a templateCache?
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[13:22:43] <Elarcis> vondrc: it seems ngInclude generates a specific $includeContentError when the content generates something else than a 200 https://docs.angularjs.org/api/ng/directive/ngInclude
[13:22:56] <Elarcis> *event. this is an event to catch in the parent controller
[13:24:12] <Elarcis> vondrc: so I guess that you can't reall show the HTML anyway, but you can at least display an error message or adapt the layout accordingly
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[13:28:34] <vondrc> jlebrech: you mean if the template is createt when the 404 happend?
[13:30:19] <jlebrech> are you loading multiple templates or just one template cache?
[13:30:36] <Elarcis> jlebrech: you mean 'one cached template'?
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[13:31:31] <Elarcis> jlebrech: even then, I don't think that's relevant, because the template failing to load indicates that the cache doesn't possess a copy of it
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[13:34:20] <shreked> am creating a form but the label is appearing on the left side not on top,what should i do now?
[13:35:33] <vondrc> I am loading one template
[13:35:50] <Elarcis> shreked: are you using a CSS framework? angular-material?
[13:36:08] <Elarcis> vondrc: yeah, so I maintain the event thing I linked you is the way to go
[13:36:28] <shreked> both
[13:36:40] <shreked> ng-style basically
[13:37:18] <Elarcis> shreked: well it's a CSS issue then XD
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[13:37:32] <shreked> hmmmmmm
[13:37:37] <Elarcis> shreked: since you're not giving much details, there's not much help we can give you
[13:37:48] <shreked> its ok
[13:38:40] <Elarcis> vondrc: see here for an example http://stackoverflow.com/a/25463794
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[13:43:54] <shreked> <div class="col-xs-4 col-sm-2 col-md-2"> this tag was displaying square text text boxes until i imported bootstrap stylesheet but without importing it the labels are coming on the left side of text boxes but i still want square text boxes with labels on top of them,so what should i do now?
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[13:46:15] <Elarcis> shreked: holy hell
[13:46:24] <Elarcis> shreked: you have several options
[13:46:59] <Elarcis> shreked: 1. the easiest one: find a bootstrap theme that feets your need
[13:47:10] <Elarcis> shreked: 2. use the customizer to remove rounded corners http://getbootstrap.com/customize/
[13:47:34] <Elarcis> shreked: 3. learn to fiddle with CSS to create custom rules to apply to checkboxes
[13:47:36] <shreked> ohh thanks buddy
[13:48:27] <Elarcis> shreked: but there's no magic, without bootstrap the col-* classes you're using won't do anything, and with bootstrap all your HTML will be themed because that's what bootstrap does :D
[13:49:03] <shreked> ya my whole text got changed
[13:49:08] <shreked> even logo
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[13:53:15] <Elarcis> heh
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[14:24:34] <shreked> why
[14:24:37] <shreked> ops
[14:24:59] <shreked> is there any stylesheet than bootstrap!! it sucks
[14:25:01] <shreked> :/
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[14:27:02] <Elarcis> XDD
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[14:27:42] <Elarcis> shreked: if you want a more layout-oriented framework that lets the styling up to you, you can try Foundation http://foundation.zurb.com/sites.html
[14:28:20] <Elarcis> shreked: or this list might help you find another one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_frameworks#List_of_CSS_frameworks
[14:28:42] <Elarcis> shreked: you also might not want to use a framework and do your own CSS, but that means you're on your own
[14:29:32] <ngWalrus> https://picturepan2.github.io/spectre/ I would recommend this
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[14:32:19] <Elarcis> ngWalrus: looks clean and tidy
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[14:32:34] <ngWalrus> or be a cool dude and just grab a grid and style everything else yourself
[14:32:51] <Elarcis> ha, this often gives the most unique results
[14:34:23] <Pyrrhus666> or just use bootstrap and have your designer fix the layout ;)
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[14:40:04] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: this we actually did without knowing it
[14:40:16] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: the project had 100% custom css
[14:41:00] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis: as long as the bootstrap semantics  are in place, that´s a viable thing to do :)
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[14:43:29] <rooney307> Hey! any ides why i cant pass ngModel ="something" value to inline function "(click)=doSomething(something) " as an argument in Angular2?
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[14:44:01] <rooney307> i get back "undefined" from argument in console.log()
[14:44:16] <rooney307> tho in input i have value set
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[14:58:05] <Foxandxss> plunker it
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[15:12:41] <Elarcis> Hi again!
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[15:13:43] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: so I was saying, the proect had 100% custom CSS, or so we thought, before we realized one dev just included bootstrap because they thought it'd be simpler, so we had the default bootstrap alerts showing a bit everwhere
[15:13:50] <Elarcis> and some styling issues
[15:13:59] <Elarcis> :'D
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[15:14:31] <Pyrrhus666> hehe, funny. also, your designer was right ;)
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[15:15:16] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: our designer?
[15:15:29] <ngWalrus> bootstrap is pretty bad
[15:15:29] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: didn't have a designer
[15:15:51] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: we just had a company do the graphical mockups, and had to implement it almost-pixel perfect
[15:16:17] <Pyrrhus666> pixel-perfect html... <shudder>
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[15:17:00] <ngWalrus> gotta have them pixel perfects yo
[15:17:38] <Pyrrhus666> yeah, we used to have to do that.... back in the NS4, IE4 days...
[15:18:10] <Elarcis> well we didn't have to make EXACTLY pixel perfect, as long as it looked coherent
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[15:18:48] <Pyrrhus666> nowaday, I just use the semantics for the css framework-du-jour, and have somebody else dress it up. works fine for me.
[15:18:50] <Elarcis> like 'hey, that icon isn't centered, it's ugly' phew, they didn't notice the whole bar is larger than expected
[15:19:19] <Elarcis> 'CSS framework of the day' calendar
[15:19:53] <Pyrrhus666> haha, no trouble finding 366...
[15:20:05] <Elarcis> 366?
[15:20:06] <Elarcis> ...oh yeah
[15:20:10] <Elarcis> DUH
[15:20:40] <Elarcis> easier than finding 365.2422 frameworks
[15:20:51] <Pyrrhus666> lets put semantic-ui on 01-01, so almost nobody has to use it.
[15:20:53] <ngWalrus> shit like the bar being to large or icon not being centered are actually kind of big deals though
[15:21:03] <ngWalrus> it'll look bad it they don't align correctly
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[15:21:22] <Pyrrhus666> ngWalrus: not my problem, not a designer :P
[15:21:44] <ngWalrus> it's a frontend dev's job to implement the design
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[15:21:56] <ngWalrus> or that's the way its been at all the places I've been at
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[15:22:50] <Pyrrhus666> sort of. like I said, I make the semantics and somebody else dresses them up. I just start with the default theme.
[15:23:23] <Pyrrhus666> implementing _functionality_ works fine with any default theme in a half-decent CSS framework.
[15:23:59] <Pyrrhus666> or, if the design is already done, I have a customized theme and I uese that :)
[15:24:08] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: semantic-ui, bleh
[15:24:27] <Elarcis> ngWalrus: I agree with the 'frontend is also design'
[15:24:39] <Pyrrhus666> I pity you both :P
[15:24:46] <Elarcis> nah, I like design
[15:25:00] <ngWalrus> but I still recommend people to actually hire designers
[15:25:01] <Elarcis> it's like half of the frontend fun
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[15:25:10] <Elarcis> depends
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[15:25:26] <Pyrrhus666> oh, I like it too. I just don´t like the pixel-f*cking to get it ¨right¨ (as seen from the customer´s view)
[15:25:29] <Elarcis> sometimes designers can have trouble figuring out how much a piece of UI is used, and how it's relevant to the user
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[15:25:53] <ngWalrus> but devs have that problem too
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[15:26:03] <Elarcis> semantic-ui /could/ be nice
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[15:26:06] <ngWalrus> that's why you dump like a million tracking cookies on the site to track this stuff
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[15:26:13] <workcat> hello
[15:26:16] <ngWalrus> hey
[15:26:21] <Pyrrhus666> that´s why I like a framework with a decent default theme : most shit hast been thought out, so it just works.
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[15:26:37] <workcat> how can I return a chained promise
[15:26:41] <Pyrrhus666> ngWalrus: I alway block those. my personal war.
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[15:26:42] <Elarcis> if it didn't botcher HTML's own semantics, didn't rely heavily on strict CSS selector (>, +, etc.) and had some coherence
[15:26:55] <Preuk> ngWalrus: that's why you dump like a million adblock notifications
[15:26:56] <Preuk> FTFY
[15:27:07] <workcat> like a.then(function() { b.then())
[15:27:10] <Pyrrhus666> Preuk: +1 :)
[15:27:12] <Elarcis> workcat: just put .then(yourCallback) behind your promise
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[15:27:17] <workcat> I wanna return b
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[15:27:21] <ngWalrus> Pyrrhus666 most people don't
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[15:27:35] <Elarcis> workcat: in your block, do return b.then()
[15:27:35] <Pyrrhus666> ngWalrus: unfortunately, yes.
[15:27:43] <Elarcis> workcat: the next .then() block will have the result of b
[15:27:47] <ngWalrus> and it's your choice whether you want to give feedback
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[15:27:59] <ngWalrus> developers should respect that freedom
[15:28:03] <Elarcis> workcat: a.k.a. returning a promise from a .then() block just flattens the promise chain
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[15:28:14] <Elarcis> workcat: which is super cool
[15:28:21] <workcat> ugh now I am confused :D
[15:28:33] <Preuk> ngWalrus: "local" tracking is just fine, but monstruosities like GA should be baned
[15:28:41] <Elarcis> workcat: this article explains it nicely I think https://pouchdb.com/2015/05/18/we-have-a-problem-with-promises.html
[15:28:48] <ngWalrus> Preuk agreed
[15:28:52] <Pyrrhus666> ngWalrus: if only that feedback was used for just that.
[15:29:13] <Preuk> something that will just dump any input (including password, credit card, etc.) is a no-go for me
[15:29:23] <Elarcis> workcat: look at #1
[15:29:43] <Elarcis> workcat: and #5
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[15:30:48] <ngWalrus> clickbait articles reee
[15:30:53] <Elarcis> nah
[15:31:10] <Elarcis> workcat: basically: what you get as parameter in your then() block is the return of the previous then() block (or the initial promise result if you haven't put any then block yet)
[15:31:29] <Preuk> ngWalrus: title is lame, sure but content is really instructive
[15:31:39] <Elarcis> workcat: but promises detect when you return a promise in a then() block, so instead of getting a promise in the next then() block, you just get the result of the promise
[15:31:40] <Preuk> learned Promise usage from it ;)
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[15:32:40] <Elarcis> workcat: so you can do return myPromise.then(function(result) { return myOtherPromise(result); }).then(function(otherResult) { ... })...
[15:33:04] <workcat> ohh
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[15:33:19] <workcat> I will try that!
[15:33:37] <Elarcis> workcat: in this precise case you could even write myPromise.then(myOtherPromise).then(function(otherResult) { ... })... but that's just JS, not a promise trick
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[15:34:19] <Elarcis> (shouldn't have said that, it's a bit misleading)
[15:35:50] <ngWalrus> promise.then( response => returnOtherPromise(result)).then()...
[15:36:03] <ngWalrus> for the new hip way of doing it
[15:36:12] <Elarcis> ngWalrus: better names, but a useless arrow function :D
[15:36:17] <workcat> is => enven a js thing?
[15:36:22] <Elarcis> workcat: ES6
[15:36:32] <workcat> do not think I have that
[15:36:37] <Elarcis> workcat: then it is not
[15:36:37] <ngWalrus> imo it's more readable
[15:37:01] <ngWalrus> poopbutt => {doSomethingHere; doOtherThing; return otherPromise}
[15:37:02] <Elarcis> workcat: but it's a somewhat recent (almost) equivalent to function(response) { return returnOtherPromise(result); }
[15:37:07] <ngWalrus> instead of just a large function call
[15:37:09] <Preuk> btw, are you deploying ES5 or ES6 for prod usage?
[15:37:27] <ngWalrus> ES5 :)
[15:37:31] <ngWalrus> and ES6
[15:37:36] <ngWalrus> (:
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[15:37:53] <workcat> I guess ES5 for me to support all mobile browsers
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[15:38:24] <Preuk> ok, so it's not just me ;) ES is not maintream yet
[15:38:29] <mohsen_> Hi can anybody help me with this: http://pastebin.com/0rCSXAcN
[15:38:46] <Elarcis> ngWalrus: I think that fetchStudy.then(filterOpenStudies).then(sortStudiesByDate) is really neat
[15:38:58] <Elarcis> (if your functions are named nicely)
[15:39:21] <ngWalrus> I'm with Carmack
[15:39:27] <mohsen_> My computer gets blown up when I run it, I have to force stop it externally everytime, a beginner here, would be appreciated if anyone point me where I'm going wrong.
[15:39:30] <Preuk> mohsen_: please explain what is your problem?
[15:39:48] <Elarcis> mohsen_: I won't make any racist joke about arabic title and your computer 'blowing up'
[15:40:06] <ngWalrus> http://number-none.com/blow/john_carmack_on_inlined_code.html
[15:40:41] <mohsen_> Elarcis: However, I'm not Arab:D
[15:41:02] <Elarcis> persian
[15:41:04] <Elarcis> sorry D:
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[15:41:20] <Elarcis> (really sorry)
[15:42:03] <mohsen_> No problem buddy, I laughed alot:D
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[15:42:40] <Elarcis> mohsen_: well for a start your whole DOM is in the <head> tag, which is really not recommended nor valid HTML
[15:43:01] <GreenJello> psh all html is valid
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[15:43:48] <Pyrrhus666> that´s one of the bigger problems, alas.
[15:43:57] <Elarcis> mohsen_: then I have really no idea, I never used ngRoute and I suspect it's no stranger to your issue
[15:44:36] <workcat> anyways thanks
[15:44:38] <GreenJello> one thing I like about react is that it's pretty strict about things like that; not sure if angular plans to do things like add warnings for invalid nesting and malformed html syntax
[15:44:51] <GreenJello> does angular 2 do any of that
[15:44:51] <mohsen_> So I should move <nav> to the body?
[15:44:51] <GreenJello> ?
[15:45:00] <Elarcis> mohsen_: yes
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[15:45:22] <Elarcis> GreenJello: Angular2 compiles its templates so theoretically yest
[15:45:28] <GreenJello> cool :-)
[15:45:34] <Elarcis> GreenJello: but I don't think that Angular2 warns about HTML conventions
[15:45:36] <GreenJello> I need to make time to try it out
[15:45:45] <Elarcis> GreenJello: probably only about syntax errors or invalid component usages
[15:46:14] <Pyrrhus666> then again, if you look at the output, you get buttloads of crappy non-existent tags. which are nested correctly though.
[15:46:52] <Preuk> Pyrrhus666: that perfectly describes frontpage output :)
[15:47:40] <Pyrrhus666> Preuk: haha, except that what FP produced wasn´t even nested correctly, afair :)
[15:48:02] <Pyrrhus666> so in an sense, nothing has changed between FP and NG. I can dig that :)
[15:48:31] <mohsen_> Moving <nav> to body solved the problem:|
[15:49:56] <Preuk> Pyrrhus666: from old memories, FP output was about properly nested, but office97's was not
[15:50:36] <Pyrrhus666> Preuk: could well be. I´ve pushed those memories to some deep dark corner of my mind...
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[15:51:10] <Elarcis> stoopid question: is it possible to dynamically set a ng-model expression? like ng-model="{{ slider.getModelExpression() }}" ?
[15:51:31] <Pyrrhus666> crap like that _did_ start my love-affair with XML though... oh to have validateable markup :)
[15:52:24] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis: that´d probably cause a localized singularity making your browser implode ?
[15:52:31] <Preuk> i remember creating some decent HTML homepage for a friend, he did the first version with office. final result was 10% in size
[15:52:33] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: dtd... seems like an old, faded dream
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[15:52:56] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis: yes, it does, doesn´t it ? :(
[15:53:20] <Elarcis> it feels like no webdev likes strict, strongly typed things
[15:53:40] <Elarcis> except the 'hurr durr yur app is crap, it doesn't pass thru xhtml 1.0 validator!!!'
[15:54:10] <Pyrrhus666> xhtml is as dead as dtd´s...
[15:54:11] <Elarcis> (don't pretend you've never seen it)
[15:54:25] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: well some people should be told that
[15:54:39] <Pyrrhus666> just say doctype HTML and your free to crap all over the place.
[15:55:56] <Pyrrhus666> our main product is still XML/XSL based. it´ll keep working for a while yet, I guess.
[15:58:30] <Elarcis> find the error in there https://github.com/angular/angular.js/blob/master/src/ng/directive/ngModel.js#L224-L225
[15:59:17] <Pyrrhus666> $attrs vs. $attr ?
[15:59:25] <Elarcis> yep
[15:59:36] <Elarcis> how can it work though
[15:59:39] <Pyrrhus666> nasty :)
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[16:00:12] <Elarcis> for stuff like this, is it better to fork and pull request, or submit an issue?
[16:00:18] <Pyrrhus666> well, if $attr(s) isn´t used, there´s no problem I guess. or if not minified.
[16:00:31] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: come on, everyone minifies
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[16:00:52] <icebox> Elarcis: error?
[16:01:05] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: Oh, I get you, $attr doesn't exist but $attrs does
[16:01:12] <Pyrrhus666> I know, but I don´t really get why people bother for the 10% or so over deflate.
[16:01:16] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: yeah, I get how it works
[16:01:20] <Elarcis> it's just weird
[16:01:21] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis: yup
[16:01:45] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: well in our case the whole project is like 50% lighter, and still heavy
[16:02:03] <icebox> Elarcis: ...["a", "b", function (x, y)... it is legit
[16:02:12] <Elarcis> icebox: most likely a typo
[16:02:17] <Elarcis> icebox: not a real bug-inducing error
[16:02:22] <icebox> Elarcis: agreed
[16:02:26] <Pyrrhus666> icebox: it might be legal, but it´s evil...
[16:03:13] <Pyrrhus666> oh, on close inspection... yes, yes, that´s very legal. please, do it more often :)
[16:03:21] <Elarcis> anyway, as far as I understood the source code, ngModel's attribute value is parsed at compile time, but not updated... so I can't just interpolate an expression
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[16:04:01] <Elarcis> which will probably prove tricky to correct the stuff I want to
[16:04:07] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis: which sounds entirely logical.
[16:04:47] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: well I don't know, it could be a dynamic expression parsed in real-time so that the model fetched and updated can change other time
[16:05:20] <Pyrrhus666> that could be delightfully evil when done inconspicuously :)
[16:05:24] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: or a repeatable expression, which is basically what I have there, except the guy templated every possible value in the ngRepeat and enables the right one with a ngIf
[16:05:40] <Elarcis> ...which defeats the whole purpose of having these iteams configured and repeated
[16:06:14] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis: sounds like a rewrite is needed.
[16:06:23] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: yes it is!
[16:06:54] <Pyrrhus666> can´t you work around it with an ngSwitch on somesuch ?
[16:07:01] <Pyrrhus666> s/on/or/
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[16:08:49] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: no. I'll make a configurable option to get the value, and set a callback to run when the value is updated. it's pretty complicated, the value to fetch is just a property, but the code to run when the slider is dropped can change hugely between these sliders
[16:10:03] <Pyrrhus666> a configurable callback sounds best then...
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[16:10:11] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: to be honest I might even drop the ngModel and do something more adapted
[16:10:41] <Pyrrhus666> sounds like a pretty far-out usecase for a slider, no ?
[16:10:45] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: because the ngModel is only here because the property is updated THEN the code runs, but there's no real need for that kind of sync
[16:10:50] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: yes it is
[16:11:49] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: basically it's a computed volume depending on several physical variable
[16:12:00] <Pyrrhus666> then dropping the model sounds even better. execute code based on the drop event then ?
[16:12:07] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: so when you change the computed volume via the slider, you reverse-compute the variables
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[16:12:44] <Pyrrhus666> I sort of get it :)
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[16:13:09] <frappy> can we change the position of a button?
[16:13:18] <Pyrrhus666> YES WE CAN !
[16:13:32] <Pyrrhus666> sorry, obama mode kicked in...
[16:13:53] <Pyrrhus666> but still, I guess we can...
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[16:14:03] <frappy> obama mode?
[16:14:34] <Preuk> frappy: won't CSS do the trick?
[16:14:35] <Pyrrhus666> ¨yes we can¨ was his slogan, wasn´t it ?
[16:14:43] <Elarcis> frappy: just add the 'obama' class to your button, and it'll just remove any guantanamo component in your page
[16:14:55] <Preuk> Elarcis: :D
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[16:15:00] <frappy> lol
[16:15:07] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis: don´t remove it until you´re out of office though...
[16:15:16] <frappy> elarcis is a stand up comedian
[16:15:30] <frappy> preuk that is awful
[16:15:34] <Elarcis> please, I'm a professional
[16:15:37] <Elarcis> ...kind of
[16:15:57] <frappy> but how to customize it?
[16:16:04] <frappy> any example plz?
[16:16:09] <Elarcis> frappy: ...what CSS framework are you using?
[16:16:19] <frappy> bootstrap
[16:16:24] <Elarcis> frappy: because without details, 'using CSS' is our best answer :D
[16:16:25] <Preuk> frappy: what is awful? Elarcis' joke or CSS?
[16:16:39] <Elarcis> frappy: and where do you want that button?
[16:16:47] <Elarcis> frappy: left, right, down, up your butthole?
[16:16:52] <frappy> elarcis on the right
[16:17:05] <Pyrrhus666> frappy: so add ´pull-right´ ?
[16:17:06] <frappy> and its size to be a bit small
[16:17:19] <Pyrrhus666> so add ´btn-large´ ?
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[16:17:33] <Preuk> frappy: http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_positioning.asp
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[16:18:01] <frappy> preuk it is not working on button
[16:18:04] <frappy> i tried it
[16:18:05] <Elarcis> frappy: isn't it what you're looking for? http://getbootstrap.com/css/#helper-classes-floats
[16:18:51] <Preuk> uh? not working on button? i guess your DOM is a bit complex then, have you checked parent elements' properties?
[16:19:08] <frappy> elarcis let me try it
[16:19:11] <Elarcis> frappy: also, it's btn-lg, not btn-large
[16:19:24] <frappy> ok
[16:19:35] <frappy> preuk yup
[16:20:00] <Preuk> pastebin some code sample maybe?
[16:20:01] <Pyrrhus666> why are we discussing bootstrap layout without even seeing code ? :P
[16:21:09] <icebox> ##bootstrap
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[16:36:39] <dodobrain> hi all..
[16:37:05] <dodobrain> is there a way to apply an angular filter directly in js?
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[16:38:06] <icebox> dodobrain: yes, there is
[16:38:07] <Pyrrhus666> https://docs.angularjs.org/guide/filter
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[16:38:08] <dodobrain> i mean the default string based filter that filter based on "All strings or objects with string properties in array that match this string will be returned. This also applies to nested object properties."
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[16:38:17] <Pyrrhus666> read the bit about using filters in controllers
[16:38:37] <Aviad> Hi I've run into a strange bug, not sure who it belongs to
[16:38:51] <dodobrain> thanks Pyrrhus666
[16:39:41] <Aviad> Using vs2013, tsc 1.8.10, angular 2 rc6, when I have a component class with a member of type EventEmitter<string> and I call the asObservable() method on it, the vs2013 resharper analysis hangs for the file in question, and no resharper context menu appears
[16:40:00] <Aviad> If I change the type to EventEmitter<any> everything is fine
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[16:40:21] <stormbytes> how many are actually using ng2 ?
[16:40:45] <Aviad> I am using it for 2 projects
[16:40:48] <dodobrain> Pyrrhus666, so filterFilter is the default string based filter i asked above, right?
[16:40:49] <Preuk> stormbytes: i do
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[16:41:11] <Pyrrhus666> dodobrain: looks like it, yes. I´ve only used this with custom filters...
[16:41:17] <dodobrain> cool, thanks
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[16:41:34] <stormbytes> i hadn't used ng since doing an 8 month long project with it back in '14-15
[16:41:45] <stormbytes> recently picked it up again and was told to consider ng2 instead
[16:41:50] <stormbytes> wow.. what a complete waste of time
[16:42:02] <stormbytes> ng2 is fundamentally unusable by 90% of web developers
[16:42:09] <grug> what?
[16:42:13] <Pyrrhus666> whut ?
[16:42:13] <grug> that's an odd claim
[16:42:27] <Pyrrhus666> woohoo ! i´m top 10% !
[16:42:42] <grug> personally i'd prefer to use react over ng2
[16:42:56] <stormbytes> the level of boilerplate knowledge needed to set it up make it about as usable as trying driving a Ferrari in Mumbai
[16:43:08] <grug> how long have you looked at ng2?
[16:43:23] <stormbytes> well, lets see
[16:43:34] <stormbytes> i started with a course on EC6 (overview)
[16:43:44] <stormbytes> then I did a course on TypeScript
[16:44:17] <stormbytes> THEN I watched the first few vids from Lynda's NG2 "The Basics" course
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[16:44:33] <grug> so what's the problem?
[16:44:40] <dodobrain> ng2 is the problem :p
[16:44:40] <grug> you're aware of ts and es6
[16:44:52] <grug> dodobrain: i'm not a fan, but not for those reasons
[16:45:03] <stormbytes> that's about as far as I made it. I was so completely lost in the setup of the stupid app and its own proprietary ecosystem that i'm throwing in the towel
[16:45:39] <Foxandxss> what "own propietary ecosystem"?
[16:45:46] <stormbytes> the benefits are friggin *drowned out* by the weeks of investment required to get your head around the peripheral processes, etc
[16:45:56] <Pyrrhus666> stormbytes: so you haven´t done any ng2 yet. I suggest you start with the quickstart on the site, and continue on to the ToH tutorial.
[16:46:08] <stormbytes> Pyrrhus666 never made it that far
[16:46:17] <Foxandxss> no one reads the official docs, that is for dumbs!
[16:46:30] <Foxandxss> better to go offsite and learn from non official sources
[16:46:30] <Pyrrhus666> you don´t need ES6 or TS knowledge to start the tutorial.
[16:46:32] <stormbytes> well, i briefly saw some about decorators, templates, etc
[16:46:55] <Elarcis> HOLY SWEET MOTHER OF CHEESUS
[16:47:05] <stormbytes> this has nothing to do with TS. I got through that in a 2 days. Its just a JS superset with a build script (gulp, wtv)
[16:47:21] <Pyrrhus666> seems you tried disassembling that ferrari with just a paperclip while stuck in mumbai traffic :)
[16:47:35] <stormbytes> I remember back when i started up with ng1, there *was* a learning curve then.
[16:47:48] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: (that should be an Elarcis's sentence) :)
[16:47:50] <stormbytes> But ng2? damn.. this isn't a "learning curve', its a learning *obstacle*.
[16:48:03] <Elarcis> icebox: HEY
[16:48:15] <stormbytes> going back to ng-1, and might actually consider just using knockoutjs
[16:48:24] <Foxandxss> we all passed that learning curve
[16:48:28] <Foxandxss> you can also do that
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[16:48:41] <Pyrrhus666> stormbytes: what do you expect to hear from us ? if you don´t want to use it, don´t. coming here just ranting accomplishes nothing.
[16:48:42] <stormbytes> Foxandxss you'd have to revisit your definition of "all"
[16:48:49] <Preuk> well, it boils down to "i don't like ng2 cause i don't know it"?
[16:49:06] <stormbytes> Pyrrhus666 oh i disagree :)
[16:49:23] <Preuk> ng2 is hard to understand i don't deny it
[16:49:30] <Foxandxss> stormbytes: yes, indeed
[16:49:30] <stormbytes> Preuk in the same that that I don't "like" a 747 because I can't fly the damn thing
[16:49:52] <Preuk> a lot of breaking changes in last releases need to relearn some bits each time, but that's what beta is for (no, not RC :p)
[16:49:54] <stormbytes> Preuk: NG2 isn't "hard to understand", its *convoluted*
[16:49:59] <Pyrrhus666> stormbytes: sounds like you tried learning to fly it by watching a video :P
[16:49:59] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: so when the slider is updated, it runs a function that gets the context, runs a function in it by sending the slider's id (fetched from the slider config which we already have), the function itself runs a function to get the current step we're in (which we already know since the slider is shown from it), then from that step's config gets all the sliders for this step, then searches for a slider that has the right ID.
[16:49:59] <Elarcis> THEN it runs a function in the slider config by sending itself (the context) as a parameter, the function returns a promise that contains data that the context merges with itself
[16:50:30] <Preuk> don't know for you, but in my time HTML4.2 was the new hype and runing a simple event handler on all browsers was black magic
[16:50:32] <Elarcis> holy hell that's the most overcomplicated thing I've seen in this app, just behind the validation hidden field that just join('///') every field value
[16:50:37] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis: that sounds like somebody should be fired :)
[16:50:41] <stormbytes> Pyrrhus666 the purpose of a video is to provide an overview, to give you a general sense of the thing. THEN you can dive in, create an app, reference the docs, chat here, etc.. and build on that
[16:50:42] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: he quit
[16:50:51] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis: HAHAHA ! :)
[16:50:59] <Foxandxss> start with the official docs
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[16:51:05] <Foxandxss> they are meant to teach a newcomer
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[16:51:19] <Foxandxss> the are not advanced stuff that you can only know after diving 20 hours into ng2
[16:51:24] <Pyrrhus666> stormbytes: IMHO videos are stupid timewasters. read docs, fiddle with code.
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[16:51:33] <Foxandxss> take advantage that angular 2 has good docs compared to other frameworks
[16:51:37] <stormbytes> Pyrrhus66 there are a lot of very gifted people working at google, and some probably here too. THOSE are the "we all" you refer to.
[16:52:16] <Preuk> stormbytes: doc will follow, ng2 isn't released yet
[16:52:25] <Pyrrhus666> stormbytes: whut ?
[16:52:33] <stormbytes> Pyrrhus66 it doesn't matter if you don't care for videos, that's just one way of getting your head around the general, broader concepts. If you can do that via docs, hey.. sure! why not? But the point remains: you need to wrap your head around the big picture and i can't do that with ng2.
[16:52:55] <Pyrrhus666> stormbytes: but that´s not ng2´s problem...
[16:53:02] <grug> stormbytes: you're whinging that you need to get used to a different paradigm than ng1
[16:53:08] <grug> that isn't even remotely angular's fault
[16:53:11] <grug> that's yours.
[16:53:11] <Preuk> stormbytes: ok, then what techs/frameworks are you familiar with? (apart from ng1)
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[16:53:19] <grug> he's going to say php
[16:53:27] <Preuk> i bet we can find analogies that coudl help
[16:53:32] <stormbytes> grug: php isn't a framekwork.
[16:53:36] <Pyrrhus666> grug: HEY, nothing wrong with PHP :P
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[16:54:02] <stormbytes> and, yes that was my background some years back. I'm not a front-end developer.. i've only dabbled in in for a couple years
[16:54:11] <grug> there we go - php!
[16:54:23] <grug> learning things is hard!
[16:54:32] <stormbytes> Pyrrhus666 what's "ng2's problem" ?
[16:54:48] <Pyrrhus666> stormbytes: _not_
[16:55:04] <stormbytes> drug : there's 'learning things' that are new, and trying to 'understand the mind' of someone who created something that was needlessly convoluted !!
[16:55:09] <Pyrrhus666> stormbytes: the fact that you can´t grok ng2 is _not_ ng2´s problem
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[16:55:23] <stormbytes> Pyrrhus666 ok.
[16:55:34] <Preuk> stormbytes: don't call it "needlessly convoluted" unless you understand it's purpose and design
[16:56:02] <Preuk> cars are convoluted, just need wheels and an engine, right?
[16:56:06] <grug> stormbytes: name one specific thing that is needlessly convoluted
[16:56:07] <Pyrrhus666> lets just stop feeding the trolls. I´m off, see you people laterz !
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[16:56:16] <stormbytes> Preuk if its 'design' would actually lend itself to understanding, I might not be having this conversation
[16:56:27] <stormbytes> ok, hang on.
[16:56:39] <grug> the keyword here is SPECIFIC
[16:56:53] <grug> i dont want to hear about how hard you think it is to learn and how you think it's shit that you havent learnt it yet
[16:56:55] <nr152522> I need some help choosing between JWT via cookies or using sessions...
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[16:57:33] <stormbytes> this whole System.config thing
[16:57:35] <stormbytes> for starters
[16:57:46] <Elarcis> stormbytes: woohoo, I work at Google now!
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[16:58:10] <Preuk> stormbytes: that's systemjs
[16:58:14] <stormbytes> in ng1 you'd LIST the friggin .js files you wanted to load, adding your  module.js files, and your app.js to top them off.
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[16:58:22] <Foxandxss> that is not ng2
[16:58:25] <grug> stormbytes: that's not ng2
[16:58:46] <stormbytes> here you have to do some crazy peripheral management/setup, YES i know that its not ng2 but its FOR ng2 which is about as much
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[16:59:00] <Foxandxss> no
[16:59:01] <Preuk> stormbytes: you come from PHP world, so waht if I said "X framework is convoluted, what's the point of this PDO crap?"
[16:59:03] <Foxandxss> it is not for ng2
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[16:59:13] <Elarcis> stormbytes: that's not NG2, that's a module resolution library that most of us don't even use
[16:59:25] <Preuk> Elarcis: webpack?
[16:59:37] <Elarcis> yes, or other bundling tools that remove the need for that
[16:59:41] <stormbytes> Preuk: i come from the PHP world is about as relevant to this discussion as "mankind was born in Africa"
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[16:59:54] <stormbytes> haven't touched php in ages
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[17:00:10] <grug> stormbytes: it was painfully obvious that you had a php background though
[17:00:15] <Elarcis> stormbytes: well it depends, because the PHP world isn't the root of all programming tech
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[17:00:18] <Preuk> and your comment about usual JS toolkit is as much relevant to ng2
[17:00:18] <stormbytes>  Elarcis module resolution? wtf
[17:00:44] <Elarcis> stormbytes: that's a nodeJS/ES6 thing, when you require() or import stuff
[17:00:49] <Preuk> grug: please stop php-bashing, it's still more robust than JS :p
[17:00:57] <grug> i wasnt php bashing
[17:00:59] <stormbytes> Preuk somehow my lack of knowledge of the never-ending "js toolkit" didn't preclude an understanding of ng1
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[17:01:28] <stormbytes> Elarcis whats' to 'require or import' ?
[17:01:31] <grug> stormbytes: you are still unable to mention one specific thing about -->ng2<-- that is a problem here
[17:01:42] <stormbytes> grug: start with 'setup'
[17:02:03] <Elarcis> stormbytes: well i.e. when using npm, if you install a lib to generate uuid, you can use it anywhere in yoru code by doing import 'node-uuid'
[17:02:05] <grug> http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/specific
[17:02:15] <Preuk> from wikipedia, angularJS: "Initial releaseOctober 20, 2010; 5 years ago"
[17:02:15] <Elarcis> strohalm: like you'd import PHP files
[17:02:29] <Elarcis> sorry strohalm, I meant stormbytes
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[17:02:46] <bd-> setup is worse with ng2 than ng1 for sure
[17:02:52] <stormbytes> Elarcis I understand, tho my php days preceded package management :)
[17:02:58] <bd-> ng1 i can just thorw in a script tag to the angular cdn and away i go
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[17:03:05] <bd-> 30secs and you can start coding some app
[17:03:06] <Foxandxss> that is true
[17:03:07] <Elarcis> stormbytes: basically it's a native ES6 feature, but it's available with a different syntax in JS ES5
[17:03:14] <Foxandxss> but this is the future (and present) we have with Javascript
[17:03:14] <stormbytes> omg THANK YOU.
[17:03:18] <bd-> ng2 (and react) by comparisons are right ballaches
[17:03:22] <Elarcis> stormbytes: except you need a lib for that
[17:03:27] <bd-> although react is more all the other shit you need to bundle with it
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[17:04:19] <stormbytes> Elarcis why wasn't module management an issue with ng1? You'd just list your files.. created a foo.module.js file and add whatever deps you had right in!
[17:05:08] <grug> this is hilarious
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[17:05:34] <Foxandxss> stormbytes: that is what we used to do, not anymore
[17:05:39] <Foxandxss> and not because angular 2
[17:05:40] <Elarcis> stormbytes: ah, but module management wasn't an issue with ng1 because it didn't take account of that, but this is going to be the standard
[17:05:42] <stormbytes> grug : i realize i'm looking at all this as one big confusing article and you're looking at specifics.
[17:05:45] <Foxandxss> is the present and future of Javascript
[17:05:50] <Elarcis> stormbytes: basically module management removes the need to list all your files
[17:06:06] <Elarcis> stormbytes: it allows the app to just have a file dependency tree, and you just import the root module
[17:06:09] <bd-> which you didn't need to do if you were using a build system for ng1
[17:06:45] <stormbytes> wtf is this "build system" ? with ng1 you just LISTED .js files in your index.html, and DONE!
[17:06:52] <Elarcis> stormbytes: also, for a lot of production apps, people now use bundler apps, that just resolve that tree and generate a bundled JS, so you don't really need systemJS in every case, it's just for the purpose of the quickstart
[17:07:10] <nr152522> I like the idea of JWT, however, as I understand it's not so straight forward.  If I want to manage logged in users then I would have to manage some state...e.g. refresh tokens.  So in the end, is there any benefit over using sessions?
[17:07:10] <Foxandxss> stormbytes: do you want to learn in here? or just rant like a kid that doesn't want to listen?
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[17:07:33] <stormbytes> No, no.. i'm ranting - yes, but I appreciate the input
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[17:07:40] <Elarcis> stormbytes: hey, you could compare this to an automatic makefile when compiling C :D
[17:08:01] <stormbytes> Elarcis : I'm more the Arduino type :)
[17:08:15] <Elarcis> stormbytes: isn't Arduino a computer?
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[17:08:22] <Foxandxss> listing 200 files as script tags is not good
[17:08:27] <stormbytes> sure :) is
[17:08:32] <Foxandxss> wasn't good in the past, is not good either today
[17:08:33] <fakingfantastic> is there a function to just check a promise for a reject? run now im doing myPromise(angular.noop, function () { .. handle reject .. });
[17:08:53] <Elarcis> stormbytes: but what's the link with C? D:
[17:08:58] <bd-> i'm not sure listing 200 files is much worse than cramming 200 files into a single bundle tbh
[17:09:06] <Foxandxss> it is
[17:09:08] <stormbytes> Elarcis: no need to makefile anything :)
[17:09:15] <mst> stormbytes: yes, there is a learning curve to this
[17:09:22] <Elarcis> bd-: it is, because you have 200 requests instead of just one
[17:09:27] <mst> stormbytes: OTOH, 'list all the files' was the amateur hour way of doing ng1
[17:09:32] <bd-> but http2, it makes little difference
[17:09:37] <Elarcis> bd-: you can even optimize to split your app between les than six files, and voilà
[17:09:39] <Foxandxss> we don't have http2 today
[17:09:42] <bd-> 200 requests is basically one request
[17:09:46] <Foxandxss> so we are not going to discuss that
[17:09:47] <bd-> and i have http2 today
[17:09:47] <stormbytes> Elarcis : whats a bundler app?
[17:10:21] <Foxandxss> bd-: lucky you
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[17:10:26] <Elarcis> stormbytes: it's an app that takes all the JS files that gou give it and bundles them into one file, possibly minifying them in the process
[17:10:42] <stormbytes> bottom line: ng2 is for the extremely advanced front end developers
[17:10:55] <grug> hahahah
[17:11:02] <stormbytes> Elarcis: so like a gulp task-er ?
[17:11:08] <Elarcis> stormbytes: the definition varies, because there are many, you got some for ASP.NET apps, some for JS, PHP, etc. basically it reduces the size of the whole app and makes it lighter for the client
[17:11:29] <Elarcis> stormbytes: a bit like that, if you know browserify: that's a bundler
[17:11:34] <Elarcis> (and a module resolution tool)
[17:11:46] <stormbytes> hm
[17:12:01] <stormbytes> so SystemJs like like that ?
[17:12:29] <mst> stormbytes: bottom line: ng2 is assuming that at some point you'll want to do a production deployment, so starts you off with tools that are amenable to that
[17:12:44] <Elarcis> stormbytes: I don't know SystemJS much because I haven't been using it, but I understand it just downloads a JS file when it's needed, so it's basically a client-side module resolution tool
[17:12:50] <stormbytes> mst: very well put
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[17:13:02] <DoubleDeck> Hello
[17:13:42] <Elarcis> stormbytes: NG2 is, imho, much more oriented towards complex apps and has dropped that 'designer friendly, ready to go' punchline that NG1 had. It has its pros, and its cons
[17:13:49] <mst> stormbytes: I totally understand your frustration. But, OTOH, it's a bit of pain up front in return for not having a complete nightmare to deal with later. So on the whole, it was probably the right choice.
[17:14:04] <stormbytes> Elarcis : I think that's fair to say
[17:14:05] <Preuk> mst i must say (no js framework background) that doc currently proposes a setup that's not so easy to send to prod
[17:14:12] <Preuk> it should get better with angular-cli
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[17:14:26] <DoubleDeck> I'm having a problem with a $resource POST request, using transformRequest: add_auth_header function, that function is not adding the requred headers to the request
[17:14:37] <mst> yeah, NG2 seems to be much less accessible to an HTML+CSS person who isn't also good at JS
[17:14:41] <mst> which I think is sad
[17:14:47] <DoubleDeck> If I modify them manually, it works
[17:14:52] <mst> I liked being able to delegate the HTML+CSS to somebody who was better at it than I am
[17:14:56] <stormbytes> mst: i don't see it as "pain up front". That was true of ng1, ng2 is, imo, unusable by anyone that doesn't have a professional grade standing in front end development
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[17:15:01] <bd-> mst: that's also what made ng1 popular in the firstp lace
[17:15:12] <DoubleDeck> If someone could take a look... http://pastebin.com/HUEG3edf
[17:15:19] <Elarcis> mst: well, sometimes I appreciate that there is an advanced tool available
[17:15:47] <DoubleDeck> I've tested several wasy, and logged everything I can see, but I cannot catch where are the headers going
[17:15:48] <stormbytes> Elarcis put it well: ng2 drops "designer appeal" -- its basically the equivalent of writing C code for the front-end, having to deal with pointers, shit like that
[17:16:37] <mst> I agree with drops designer appeal, I think calling it C code is silly
[17:16:40] <bd-> the C analogy isn't that far off, in ng2 you have to mess about with unsubscribing from observables or you get memory leaks
[17:16:47] <bd-> fun stuff
[17:16:48] <stormbytes> ng2 appears to be more geared towards ppl with a node.js development background (i could be wrong)
[17:16:53] <Elarcis> stormbytes: technically it's like having to do both C and Qt for the app
[17:17:12] <mst> I'm probably going to switch to react+mobx rather than ng2 tbh
[17:17:16] <stormbytes> mst: the analogy was more to say obscure/complex
[17:17:26] <mst> the key thing I loved about ng1 was how accessible it was to juniors
[17:17:35] <mst> and it seems like it's going to be easier to get that with react than ng2, sadly
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[17:18:03] <mst> but the "you need to learn a dependency system" thing isn't one of those reasons
[17:18:06] <stormbytes> I do prototyping, not production apps. I'm gonna go back and brush up on ng1, then possibly look to migrate over the course of a couple years..
[17:18:09] <bd-> yea, ng2 'fixed' a lot of the things that made ng1 popular
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[17:18:19] <Elarcis> I think NG2 is like a 'better angular for angularjs devs'
[17:18:47] <bd-> i'd say it's more 'angular for enterprise'
[17:19:00] <stormbytes> mst: i read a little about reactjs and the whole front-end oriented aspect of it. does reactjs offer bindings as well? that's what attracted me to ng1 in the first place
[17:19:01] <Elarcis> true that NG1 was friendly, but holy hell the code we see when people ask for help... it's horrendous, I wouldn't that code on any app I work on
[17:19:12] <Elarcis> (to be honest)
[17:19:20] <bd-> the ng2 code will be just as bad
[17:19:20] <stormbytes> Elarcis: for *advanced* angularJS developers
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[17:19:37] <steve___> hello
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[17:19:40] <stormbytes> I really truly believe ng"2" is misleading. Ng2 is NOT AngularJS.
[17:19:43] <Elarcis> bd-: yeah, I saw yours
[17:19:43] <Preuk> Elarcis: and it was lagging far behing other frameworks performances-wise
[17:19:45] <Elarcis> bd-: 7o7
[17:19:48] <bd-> lel
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[17:20:10] <stormbytes> bd - 'fixed' lol
[17:20:16] <Elarcis> hi steve underscore underscore underscore
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[17:20:22] <steve___> dump question - is angular2 production ready?
[17:20:28] <bd-> steve___: no
[17:20:38] <steve___> how long u reckon?
[17:20:41] <Foxandxss> steve___: it is
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[17:20:42] <Elarcis> steve___: yes it is https://www.google.fr/search?q=is%20angular2%20production%20ready
[17:20:49] <bd-> no idea, whenever it's final release
[17:20:52] <Elarcis> (dumb question, that is)
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[17:21:00] <steve___> is it rc5 or 6?
[17:21:05] <Foxandxss> 6
[17:21:07] <stormbytes> Preuk when you're at the point of comparing performance between frameworks its very telling about the level of developer that would feel comfortable with ng2
[17:21:31] <Elarcis> stormbytes: what do you mean?
[17:21:37] <mst> stormbytes: mobx makes react components reactive
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[17:22:17] <steve___> how many here use angular 2 in prod?
[17:22:20] <dodobrain> Elarcis, i imagine a lot more bad code will appear with ng2 compared to ng1
[17:22:27] <bd-> steve___: i do, would not recommend
[17:22:40] <dodobrain> ofcourse this doesn;t mean ng2 is bad, just that the bad developers will end up writing bad code
[17:22:40] <steve___> what issues have you had bd-?
[17:22:40] <Elarcis> dodobrain: heh. no framework fixes bad code
[17:22:47] <Foxandxss> you have been ranting from angular 2 since day 1 bd-
[17:23:06] <bd-> steve___: every RC introduces a lot of breaking changes and it takes way too much time to upgrade, it's not stable api etc
[17:23:08] <Elarcis> dodobrain: but my (egoistic) hope about NG2 is that it'll filter the devbase a bit
[17:23:14] <dodobrain> and i tend to agree with people who say that ng2 will produce "worse" code from the very same developer who generated "bad" ng1 code
[17:23:16] <Foxandxss> bd-: there won't be any more breaking change
[17:23:19] <Foxandxss> so it is production ready
[17:23:38] <steve___> how can you guarantee that fox?
[17:23:39] <bd-> well, we thought that when they released rc0
[17:23:42] <bd-> but that wasn't the case now was it
[17:23:50] <Foxandxss> dodobrain: I expect less bad code in ng2 since it has less stuff to worry about
[17:23:56] <Foxandxss> steve___: I work for the team
[17:24:04] <stormbytes> Elarcis : if you have to support other ppl's (appalling) code I can understand the comfort of a framework-imposed structure
[17:24:07] <bd-> never mind the fact none of the suplementary stuff is ready, material2, angular-cli, is the router ready yet?
[17:24:35] <dodobrain> Foxandxss, not necessarily. see the comment by mst about the html/css being more accessible to the junior devs
[17:24:36] <Elarcis> stormbytes: heh, I'm on #angularjs, so I roll with it, I just try to fix people's issues and not pinpoint every horror I see :D
[17:24:56] <stormbytes> Elarcis i hear ya :)
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[17:25:06] <Foxandxss> I don't agree
[17:25:15] <steve___> is that mst from shadowcat?
[17:25:47] <Elarcis> steve___: funny thing about his nickname is that in french...
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[17:26:23] <Elarcis> (one day I'm going to hell for this)
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[17:26:34] <stormbytes> to be fair, ng2 should obviate its list of pre-requisite knowledge
[17:26:48] <stormbytes> "build systems, crap systems, testing, etc"
[17:26:55] <Foxandxss> testing?
[17:27:09] <stormbytes> just threw that in for decoration :)
[17:27:19] <Elarcis> 'crap [...] testing'
[17:27:26] <Foxandxss> so you are just a bad developer ranting
[17:27:32] <Elarcis> ಠ_ಠ
[17:27:43] <stormbytes> Foxandxss pretty much, yeah... like oh.. 99% I'd say
[17:27:43] <Rolenun> wow, every time I login I see rants here...lets ask a real question :D
[17:27:46] <Elarcis> holy hell there ARE testing deniers
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[17:28:13] <stormbytes> Elarcis : i'm not a testing-denier
[17:28:15] <steve___> I've got ~ 6 ng1 apps should I start to refactor? and if i do start should I just straight into ng2 or look along the path of the egghead.io tut?
[17:28:29] <Foxandxss> why not the official tuts?
[17:28:32] <dodobrain> Rolenun, how are you today? <- "real" question ;)
[17:28:34] <Elarcis> stormbytes: well then it's settled, angular2 is a framework for people who want to try to do things the right way! (except if they want to know when to switch their app to RC cc bd-)
[17:28:38] <Foxandxss> they are surely more up to date than egghead ones
[17:28:45] <Rolenun> dodobrain: I'm great! how are you! :)
[17:29:09] <bd-> the right way is not always the pragmatic way
[17:29:09] * stormbytes dusts off his ng1 books
[17:29:10] <dodobrain> good :)
[17:29:13] <Rolenun> dodobrain: I'm trying to think of an ontopic question :D
[17:29:21] <grug> stormbytes: you wouldn't last a day in a lot of dev shops with that sort of attitude
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[17:29:29] <Elarcis> steve___: there is a nice official doc on upgrading https://angular.io/docs/ts/latest/guide/upgrade.html
[17:29:41] <steve___> are there tut on writing ng1 with ng2 idioms?
[17:29:50] <stormbytes> grug : i wouldn't last a day in the marines either, that why i don't sign up
[17:29:51] <dodobrain> have all the docs been prepped for JS already ?
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[17:29:57] <Rolenun> aha! I have one! :)
[17:29:58] <Foxandxss> dodobrain: no
[17:30:01] <Elarcis> steve___: https://github.com/toddmotto/angular-styleguide
[17:30:13] <Rolenun> How would you use document.createElement in angular2 :)
[17:30:18] <stormbytes> grug : feel free to continue measuring yourself by the hamster farm yardstick
[17:30:22] <Elarcis> Rolenun: you don't?
[17:30:44] <steve___> Elarcis: cheers for those links
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[17:31:43] <Elarcis> please, no dick measurement contest, we have a 'nicer IRC channel than the react one' reputation
[17:31:49] <Elarcis> :3
[17:31:56] <dodobrain> heh
[17:32:07] <Foxandxss> indeed, let's stick to the code of conducts
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[17:32:46] <stormbytes> anyone know what the use % is for ng1 v. 2
[17:32:52] <Elarcis> also, some of us don't have dicks, so that's not fair
[17:32:55] <Rolenun> Elarcis: it's actually a real question with a real answer.  The question of createElement doesnt refer to using that call specifically, but rather the templating of items.  Oddly, most people asking that question can only refer to what they already know :)
[17:33:07] <steve___> I fear my code sits in the how not to write ng1.
[17:33:10] <Elarcis> stormbytes: something alongsite 99/1
[17:33:14] <Elarcis> :D
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[17:33:16] <stormbytes> hahah
[17:33:21] <Foxandxss> Elarcis: I am sorry for you
[17:33:24] <stormbytes> Elarcis : the defense rests.
[17:33:42] <Elarcis> Rolenun: it depends on the use case, but it's really recommended to avoid direct DOM manipulations
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[17:34:05] <Elarcis> hey, I do have one and am perfectly happy with what nature gave me, I'm just speaking for those who don't D:
[17:34:11] <stormbytes> gosh i'm gonna love going back to using directives :)
[17:34:21] <Rolenun> of course it is and the use cases love static pages, but not all pages are static :)
[17:34:26] <Elarcis> stormbytes: Angular 2 actually has directives
[17:34:45] <Elarcis> stormbytes: in Angular 1, you're supposed to use components too if you don't need DOM edits, you know :D
[17:34:47] <bd-> Rolenun: you can just use createElement anywhere if you need to, i just threw it into a component
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[17:35:03] <stormbytes> Elarcis: sorry, i meant in the context of a framework that doesn't require a phd in astrophysics :)
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[17:35:17] <Elarcis> stormbytes: holy hell
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[17:35:31] <stormbytes> Elarcis: i'm just saying
[17:35:35] <Elarcis> stormbytes: in any case you should start to learn ES6, because it's coming for your butt
[17:35:42] <mst> ES6 is awesome
[17:35:45] <Elarcis> ^
[17:35:48] <mst> it makes javascript almost an acceptable perl5
[17:35:48] <grug> ^
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[17:35:56] <stormbytes> Elarcis: i have every intention! TS is very attractive
[17:36:17] <Elarcis> stormbytes: it is, and very quick/convenient to switch to
[17:36:30] <Elarcis> stormbytes: but TS is not ES6, it just is a superset of it
[17:36:45] <stormbytes> Can you use TS with ng1?
[17:36:48] <grug> ts is attractive when developers dont abuse typings - i had to refactor about 4,000 lines of poor uses of interfaces out of a project the other week
[17:36:51] <Elarcis> stormbytes: yes
[17:37:25] <Elarcis> stormbytes: it's a bit tricky, and annotations in NG2 simplify things A LOT compared to NG1
[17:37:42] <Elarcis> stormbytes: but there are article on how to write ng1 stuff with Typescript
[17:37:53] <stormbytes> I'm gonna do me some googlin
[17:37:56] <stormbytes> :)
[17:37:56] <Elarcis> *articlezz
[17:38:05] <stormbytes> bbl... thanks all
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[17:38:21] <Elarcis> stormbytes, goodbye, and no hard feelings
[17:38:23] <Elarcis> aw man
[17:38:34] <grug> now he's going to think there were hard feelings
[17:38:59] <Elarcis> nooooooooo ;u;
[17:40:07] <steve___> in ng my crud stuff is done via service should I place this stuff in the Model's in ng2?
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[17:41:54] <bd-> you can still put it in a service in ng2
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[17:42:58] <steve___> should it be in service in ng2?
[17:42:58] <Elarcis> ^
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[17:43:17] <Elarcis> steve___: yes, the meaning of services is still the same in NG2
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[17:43:37] <steve___> Elarcis: thanks
[17:43:43] <Elarcis> steve___: (except that now you can instantiate a service multiple times, depending on your app's tree)
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[17:43:48] <steve___> What's the point of typescript?
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[17:44:21] <Foxandxss> useful features
[17:44:32] <Elarcis> steve___: it helps developers to spot type errors, and your editor to provide you useful insights on your code
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[17:44:48] <grug> steve___: having typings for javascript is very handy
[17:44:57] <grug> one thing we've used in some of our angular applications is flowjs
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[17:45:04] <grug> which allows us to have typings for js projects
[17:45:08] <Elarcis> steve___: but it doesn't remove bugs, nor does it remove completely type errors at runtime
[17:45:12] <grug> https://flowtype.org/
[17:45:12] <Preuk> any luck using closure on ng2 app?
[17:45:26] <steve___> does it add an extra 'compile' stage?
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[17:45:30] <Elarcis> Preuk: like JS closures?
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[17:45:36] <Preuk> itdoesn't like promise :D
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[17:45:51] <Elarcis> steve___: yes, Typescript must be transpiled to Javascript, but given the right config, it's automatic
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[17:46:04] <Preuk> yup, using it for "static" JS, had in mind to try something similar for ng2 stuff
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[17:46:18] <steve___> and flow that 'competes' with typescript?
[17:46:26] <Elarcis> ^same question
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[17:46:49] <Elarcis> Preuk: strange, shouldn't impact that
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[17:47:05] <Preuk> i'm trying to go from dev to prod, comiler-cli breaks down on me
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[17:47:19] <Elarcis> Preuk, wait, closures or IIFE?
[17:47:20] <grug> steve___: i dont think it competes with typescript - typescript offers other things other than typings
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[17:47:35] <Preuk> so now i just tsc to output dir, copy resources, perform closure optimization on custom js libs
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[17:47:42] <bd-> Preuk: angular-cli?
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[17:47:56] <Preuk> for now, google's closure compiler application
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[17:48:16] <steve___> could Typescript be considered a javascript library?
[17:48:16] <Preuk> angular-cli breaks down on me about undefined symbols in core-js
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[17:48:26] <bd-> Preuk: yea it's broken if you use ng build --prod
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[17:48:34] <bd-> if it's same bug anyway
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[17:49:04] <Preuk> so for now, tsc, copy stuff, closure. works fine for the main part, but i still have a tremoundous amount of JS in my app/ dir and node_modules dependenciezs
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[17:49:28] <steve___> that's a lot of quittings!
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[17:49:40] <Preuk> angular cli can't work for me, not an ng cli project ... but compiler cli (that is, standalone ngc) should work
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[17:49:48] <bd-> ah, right
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[17:50:03] <bd-> i got a ton of corejs undefined errors when i upped to rc6
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[17:50:07] <bd-> i can't recall how i fixed it
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[17:50:23] <grug> steve___: no - typescript is a superset of javascript, which is transpiled to javascript at some point before it hits your browser
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[17:52:08] <steve___> grug okay it's javascript with added features! so I can just rename my js files to typescript files?
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[17:52:09] <Preuk> still using config from quickstart with a few fixes for each rc
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[17:58:49] <prabhu> hello
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[17:59:38] <prabhu> can anyone explain me how to use angular
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[18:00:00] <uru> prabhu: The docs are a good place to start
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[18:07:20] <Preuk> aha ! comiler-cli 0.6.0 is no more crashing on "Query" resolution
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[18:10:21] <Elarcis> god, can't make it home now, have to evaluate the charges...
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[18:10:56] <uru> Elarcis: Marking them "postitive" or "negative"? :>
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[18:11:21] <Elarcis> uru: negative charges are the dream of most project managers I believe
[18:11:42] <Elarcis> "oh yeah, that feature will be finished yesterday"
[18:11:47] <uru> hehe
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[18:12:16] <uru> It will get finished yesterday but the developer has to have two days off to get over the temporal hedache
[18:12:20] <Elarcis> did that once: worked on a feature to test its feasibility, the team decided it would be too complicated because of the shitload of repercussions
[18:13:08] <Elarcis> months after I left the project, the customer asked for that very feature, and turns out I had done it perfectly, so they just charged 5 days to discover they'd just need 5 hours
[18:13:21] <uru> lol
[18:13:46] <Elarcis> at least that's what I've been told
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[18:14:14] <Elarcis> 'oh hey, that thing you worked on, well it was actually working'
[18:14:28] <Elarcis> _no stuff to adjust? no bug? o_o
[18:14:37] <Elarcis> 'no no, all is good, thanks!'
[18:14:39] <Elarcis> OKAY WELL
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[18:15:08] <Elarcis> stuff like that makes your ego feel good
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[18:16:47] <uru> lol yea, you should have asked for a retrospective raise or something :3
[18:16:57] <Elarcis> XDD
[18:18:23] <Elarcis> I don't complain, with that project getting a refund on my fuel expenses at a /very/ interesting rate
[18:20:07] <Elarcis> (and I actually got an ad for tops made of gold (yes, tops like the inception toy)
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[18:21:45] <loZio> Hello, I have a question: I'm build a custom directive...I want to create a button but I want to associate different function on click
[18:21:48] <loZio> how can do it?
[18:22:07] <Elarcis> loZio: use a callback input for your directive, using the '&' binding
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[18:22:18] <loZio> Can I call function from directive to controller?
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[18:22:36] <Elarcis> loZio: see here for an example http://stackoverflow.com/a/15898034
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[18:23:10] <Preuk> YES ! ngc 0.6.0 compiles without error now
[18:23:30] <loZio> Elarcis: Thank you!
[18:24:50] <Elarcis> loZio: the syntax for passing the callback is a bit unituitive though
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[18:26:50] <Elarcis> loZio: basically if the directive calls the callback with one or several parameters (like buttonPressed i.e.), you'd have to do in your directive: scope.callback({buttonPressed: 'left }), and in your parent template, do <my-directive callback="callbackFunction(buttonPressed)">...</my-directive>
[18:27:15] <Elarcis> loZio: so you're not really calling the callback from the template, just telling your directive where each parameter go
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[18:28:13] <Elarcis> I wonder if this can be used to set part of the parameters in the parent template, and the rest to be defined by the directive...
[18:29:59] <Elarcis> time to go
[18:30:03] <Elarcis> seeya suckers!
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[18:32:13] <loZio> I don't understand because when call function from directive I obtain this error Cannot read property 'id' of undefined
[18:32:24] <loZio> the value that I pass to controll is undefined
[18:32:25] <loZio> XD
[18:32:54] <frappy> "position":"relative", "font-size":"12px", "left":"670px", "bottom":"50px"	,in this how the top and bottom tag works?
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[18:41:31] <loZio> I fix it...thanks @Elarcis
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[19:36:49] <ries> What approach do you usually take if you use angular router with different tabs and when you switch tab’s the screen’s are shown as you left them? Due to the controller getting initialised your whole screen is ‘reset’ to it’s default. For example datagrid selections are lost and/or scrolled back to top. It sounds ridiculous to me that for all UI objects I need to figure out to save the state and re build them each time a
[19:36:49] <ries> controller is initialised, are there better ways?
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[19:56:09] <james> Hi
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[19:56:57] <Guest24025> I need help in angular 2 form validation
[19:57:23] <Foxandxss> hae you seen the validation guide on angular.io?
[19:57:48] <Guest24025> Yes
[19:57:54] <Guest24025> Below is the my login template code.  <form #loginForm="ngForm" (ngSubmit)="login()"> 						<div class="form-group"> 							<label for="username">Username</label> 							<input type="text" name="userName" required [(ngModel)]="loginDetails.userName" #userName="ngModel" class="form-control underline"> 							<div [hidden]="userName.valid || userName.pristine" class="error"> 								User Name Is required! 							</div> 						</di
[19:58:16] <Foxandxss> don't paste in here
[19:58:35] <Guest24025> ok
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[19:58:50] <Guest24025> I am new to this forum
[19:59:16] <Guest24025> At root form tag i have added local variable with ngForm and in input element I have included the required attribute and on the submit button  [disabled]=!loginForm.form.valid  the form is always flagged as valid even when the required input is empty. What am I missing here?
[20:01:12] <Foxandxss> create a plunker
[20:01:43] <Guest24025> ok
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[20:57:32] <flannon> Hello! Does anyone have any experience with using GreenSock animation platform for page transitions with ngRoutes? :)
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[21:05:35] <zomg> flannon: seems like utterly overkill
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[21:06:02] <zomg> at least I can't imagine what kind of animation you would need between pages that would need more than CSS transitions can provide
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[21:10:27] <flannon> zomg: I prefer using GSAP over css transitions due to perfomance as well as experience with it :)
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[21:12:18] <zomg> CSS transitions are always going to perform better than GSAP
[21:12:34] <zomg> While GSAP might make use of them, it's still a JS layer on top
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[21:13:19] <zomg> If you really want to use it for this I guess you can, but if all you need is some fade in or fade out or something equally simple, it just seems like a complete waste of kilobytes :)
[21:13:48] <zomg> (we use it at work but we also use CSS transitions where we don't need the advanced features)
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[21:16:25] <flannon> I hear you :) But I prefer the simple gsap syntax for creating individual animations as well as the timelines. I'm just having issues implementing it properly with the routes as the animations either won't fire properly or are applied to the entire ng-view.
[21:17:50] <zomg> I think the template is applied to the view so you would need to have an exit animation and an enter animation for it to work properly
[21:18:01] <zomg> tbh haven't used animations a lot with routes so not 100% sure
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[21:20:45] <flannon> Okay. Yes, because I'm trying to animate single elements on both enter and exit before changing the routes. But if I'm to create a simple informative website (e.g. home, work, about, contact) is ngRoutes the right way to go or what?
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[21:26:52] <zomg> yeah that or just normal page loads :)
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[21:31:54] <flannon> I'm using the yeoman angularjs generator which generates the routes for me (I'm new to angular, bear with me). But should I just point towards html-templates instead?
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[22:05:34] <async3> hi
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[22:05:37] <ngbot> [angular.js] Narretz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/visHN
[22:05:37] <ngbot> angular.js/master 6100f10 John-David Dalton: chore(npm): use require.resolve when possible to avoid hard coded module paths
[22:05:37] <ngbot> angular.js/master 9fbad3c Martin Staffa: chore(*): use binaries from node_modules/.bin...
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[22:06:08] <async3> could someone please tell me why upgrade from angular 1 to angular 2?
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[22:06:45] <da_wunder> async3: i would not update if your ng1 app is already working
[22:07:09] <async3> thenk you, yes its already working fine
[22:07:23] <async3> thank*
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[22:07:33] <da_wunder> so why you should update it then ?
[22:08:07] <async3> I heard ng1 will stop being supported at some point
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[22:08:20] <da_wunder> if you want to use ng2, i would just build another app that consumes the same api
[22:08:30] <da_wunder> async3: maybe, but not in years
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[22:08:53] <async3> I dont want to use ng2, but how long can I lay my back on ng1?
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[22:10:16] <da_wunder> async3: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/37037251/angularjs-1-x-support-lifecycle
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[22:14:17] <async3> thanks for the link, it clears my mind a bit
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[22:17:49] <async3> now, to start a brand new web app, should I use ng1 or ng2?
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[23:21:49] <ries> what is the typical usecase of uisng angular’s router?
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[23:24:05] <heartburn> ries: https://docs.angularjs.org/api/ngRoute#ngroute
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[23:25:16] <ries> heartburn: I find these example so simple thatr they don’t express what they are usefulkl for… for example, why wouldn’t I want to use just simple tab’s with hidden divs?
[23:25:35] <ries> I realise it does say : $route is used for deep-linking URLs to controllers and views (HTML partials).
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[23:25:51] <heartburn> ok, wait a bit, i'll put together a slideshow for ya.
[23:26:01] <ries> But each time I change the view, my controllers and html’s get loaded from scratch and I lose all sate which I need to reload
[23:26:11] <ries> s/sate/state :)
[23:27:21] <ries> heartburn: foe example, if you have in one view 4 grid’s… and you switch between two views, the selected items, sorting columns and everything is lost between the switches abd you need to re-set that foir each grid… if I just hode/show a div I shouldn’t have such issue
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[23:31:26] <heartburn> your state gets lost because you are not storing it in a factory/service.
[23:32:58] <heartburn> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16802857/angularjs-saving-data-between-routes
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[23:35:34] <ries> heartburn: correct…… so I am wondering if I am doing it right… For example, I have a few components thgat does have options to save state, but it’s additional code I have to write to make that work. for example ui-grid doesn’t save it’s scroll position correctly using a state save
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[23:46:14] <heartburn> the components should not handle the state, only consume it. all the state changes you track in a factory, and expose them where needed.
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