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[00:26:08] <patrick99e99> Hey angular friends...  I am sooo confused about something and would love to get some insight..  so I have a directive as a sibiling to another element with a ng-click, and the directive has a controller, and the ng-click is referencing a method on $scope of the directive's controller.. and clicking the sibling actually calls the method on the directive's controller..  why does that work?   in other words.. <div ng-click="lol
[00:26:18] <patrick99e99> and my-dir has a controller which does $scope.lol = function () { ... }
[00:26:39] <patrick99e99> I would not think that would work because the div is not inside my-dir, so how can it have access to my-dir's controller ?
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[00:37:51] <Sy> Hi00
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[00:47:42] <icfantv> patrick99e99: can you gist the relevant code?  not following what you're saying
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[00:48:32] <icfantv> just a note that scope's inherit object properties (whereas primitives, and strings, are copied).  this applies to directives as well unless the directive has an isolate scope.
[00:51:21] <patrick99e99> icfantv: https://plnkr.co/edit/zy3a357HwFmsewut2nSg?p=preview
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[00:58:01] <icfantv> patrick99e99: one sec
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[00:59:14] <patrick99e99> icfantv: I guess I understand sort of.. the $scope in the controller is not the directive's scope..
[00:59:23] <patrick99e99> because it wasn't specified as an isolate scope..
[00:59:40] <icfantv> patrick99e99: as i just said.  you're not using an isolate scope directive which means when you define $scope.wut, it's the same scope as where the button's ng-click is
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[00:59:46] <icfantv> yep
[00:59:52] <patrick99e99> ok
[01:00:15] <icfantv> put `scope: true` and it won't work
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[02:43:01] <dlam> is there a way to bind to "number of subelements" of some <div> ?
[02:43:38] <dlam> i have a ng-repeat in which things are ng-hide 'ed depending on what you click on
[02:43:50] <dlam> (and so i wanna show a count at the top, like  "7 results")
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[05:37:42] <kolie> dlam, ng-repeat over a viewmodel object, and then count the ones that are current shown or !shown
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[07:28:34] <Pritam> Hi all
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[07:33:27] <nrbbrg> hullo.
[07:34:35] <nrbbrg> i have a question about forms. is it recommended to use a form tag whenever accepting inputs from a user? if so, why?
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[07:35:04] <GreenJello> nrbbrg, form tags allow you to catch the submit event which is caused by various things
[07:35:22] <GreenJello> like clicking a submit button or pressing enter when an input is active
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[07:36:32] <nrbbrg> GreenJell: but i guess i don't ever need to use a submit event, do i
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[07:37:15] <GreenJello> you don't strictly need to, it's just the easiest way to do it
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[07:38:09] <nrbbrg> actually form kind of bothers me because it's the html way of sending data to a server, but in angular's case it's not doing that
[07:38:45] <nrbbrg> but i'm using ngModel right now, and i'm wondering if it's going to bite me to delete the form tag and just use an anchor to trigger the callback that submits the data
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[07:39:15] <GreenJello> just the pressing enter in an input part
[07:39:39] <nrbbrg> that's a good point.
[07:40:18] <nrbbrg> actually, we don't support that right now, which really pisses me off
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[08:45:52] <praveen> hi everyone
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[08:46:53] <praveen> i have empty array and i want to insert one object in that array and i want to push my keys in to that object
[08:46:59] <praveen> can anyone help me
[08:47:12] <praveen> any a loop
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[08:48:25] <praveen> https://jsfiddle.net/Lt7aP/4/ here is the lik
[08:48:27] <praveen> link
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[08:49:01] <praveen> no one is there
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[08:50:49] <icebox> praveen: do you think it is an angular question or it is a js one?
[08:51:17] <praveen> angular i have given a link
[08:51:25] <icebox> praveen: good try :)
[08:52:30] <icebox> Pagan: what do you expect there?
[08:52:38] <icebox> praveen: what do you expect there?
[08:52:44] <icebox> Pagan: sorry.. mistell
[08:53:07] <icebox> praveen: because that code runs as expected
[08:53:22] <praveen> https://jsfiddle.net/rcLfmbwf/1/
[08:53:30] <praveen> if you see this you will get some idea
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[08:53:58] <icebox> praveen: no... I don't get any idea
[08:54:07] <praveen> icebox:: can you check in html i just ponted something
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[08:54:21] <praveen> pointed
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[08:55:04] <icebox> praveen: ok... it seems to me it is js... how to iterate in the arrays and how to modify them... angular doesn't change the game
[08:55:51] <praveen> <icebox> ok look here it should be like all firstnames in one object and lastnames in one object finally
[08:56:03] <praveen> can you make like atleaset
[08:56:31] <icebox> praveen: up to you as exercise :)
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[08:57:19] <praveen> what are you saying will you going to help me or not
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[08:58:03] <icebox> praveen: it seems you are trasforming arrays to hash objects... it is js :)
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[08:58:35] <icebox> praveen: and that is out of topic in this channel
[08:58:44] <praveen> ok
[08:58:46] <praveen> tanq
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[08:58:52] <icebox> praveen: however there is an article in mdn giving an example about it
[08:59:24] <praveen> send me that link
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[09:00:11] <icebox> praveen: adding "please" would be better... is google out of order for you?
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[09:03:46] <praveen> sorry guys i didnt mean that i am in frustration
[09:03:57] <praveen> i wont repeat it again sorry everyone
[09:04:00] <icebox> praveen: no problem
[09:04:14] <icebox> praveen: did you find the resource?
[09:05:22] <icebox> praveen: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26264956/convert-object-array-to-hash-map-indexed-by-an-attribute-value-of-the-object
[09:05:38] <ngWalrus> good morning everyone
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[09:06:05] <Elarcis> Happy Friday!
[09:06:06] <praveen> not yet <icebox>
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[09:06:20] <ngWalrus> I was in a friday mood yesterday
[09:06:46] <ngWalrus> had some beers and fell asleep at like 10pm
[09:06:58] <ngWalrus> don't drink when sleepy
[09:07:08] <icebox> praveen: there are many ways to resolve it... a simple loop as you did is ok... if you debug your code, I think you can fix it
[09:07:08] <Elarcis> you call that a friday mood? D:
[09:07:32] <ngWalrus> eah
[09:07:46] <ngWalrus> work hard during the week, get ready to party and then just doze off
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[09:07:57] <icebox> praveen: forget angular for a while and work directly in devtools console :) the solution is a few lines only
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[09:11:23] <Elarcis> icebox, what was the issue?
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[09:11:46] <Elarcis> oh wait, I'll check the logs
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[09:12:11] <icebox> Elarcis: how to extract a key from an array of objects creating an hash object as result
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[09:13:29] <Elarcis> holy hell, and they struggled with that
[09:13:36] <Elarcis> alright, I'm no one to judge
[09:14:00] <Elarcis> they probably didn't have their coffee yet
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[09:17:57] <ngWalrus> https://github.com/bitemyapp/learnhaskell/blob/master/coc.md
[09:18:01] <icebox> praveen: just for reference https://jsfiddle.net/Lcuxs4x9/1/
[09:18:11] <ngWalrus> this is pretty good reading even if you don't care about haskell
[09:18:17] <ngWalrus> (we should have something similar)
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[09:18:59] <ngWalrus> the well-actually and feigning surprise stuff isn't really constructive
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[09:21:30] <icebox> agreed... but there is a grey zone between begging time and "almost" question... you know, the classic xy problem
[09:21:44] <ngWalrus> that is very true
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[09:25:47] <icebox> ngWalrus: generally speaking twenty years ago there are not code of conducts and people collaborated in a constructive way... now we have code of conducts and people doesn't appreciate the time spent to understand things, preferring shortcuts :)
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[09:26:19] <icebox> ngWalrus: *there was not
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[09:26:55] <ngWalrus> difference in culture
[09:27:08] <ngWalrus> we have a lot more people doing this stuff and easier access to the internet
[09:27:26] <ngWalrus> and also the culture of instant gratification
[09:27:26] <Elarcis> icebox: praveen left
[09:27:53] <icebox> Elarcis: I know, but I did the job... just in case they rejoins
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[09:28:00] <Elarcis> icebox: oh well
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[09:29:05] <icebox> ngWalrus: agreed... indeed we need meditation to separate sounds from noise
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[09:29:37] <ngWalrus> maybe we should have wise men on top of mountains
[09:29:54] <ngWalrus> filters out most of the "what is angular and how to get certified??" questions
[09:30:15] <Elarcis> ngWalrus: "how can I master angular?"
[09:30:45] <Preuk> "how (do|can] I (.*)" -> lmgtfy \1
[09:30:55] <Preuk> "how (do|can) I (.*)" -> lmgtfy \2
[09:31:01] <Elarcis> ngWalrus: why do I feel like the 'feigning surprise' is directed to my 'holy hell' D:
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[09:31:25] <icebox> ngWalrus: got the point, thanks
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[09:33:29] <Elarcis> could it also be that 20 years ago, just owning a computer meant you were willing to fiddle with them and would have to learn how to document and troubleshoot your issues?
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[09:34:40] <Elarcis> read a nice article, some time ago, by someone who compared that to the fact of having a car in the 10's vs. now
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[09:38:48] <uru> Morning, all
[09:39:24] <Pyrrhus666> morning
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[09:40:12] <uru> So glad it's Friday, had so little sleep last night x.x
[09:40:18] <ngWalrus> I slept great
[09:40:22] <ngWalrus> :)
[09:40:53] <uru> ngWalrus: Good for you ;)
[09:41:03] * Pyrrhus666 checks http://isitfridayyet.net/
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[09:41:15] <Pyrrhus666> good gods, you´re right. happy days !
[09:41:17] <Pyrrhus666> :)
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[09:43:01] <Preuk> the kind of page i feel compeled to add as a desktop widget
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[09:46:59] <Elarcis> Hi uru!
[09:47:11] <uru> That is I.
[09:47:27] <Elarcis> ...or is it?
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[09:47:54] <uru> No, I'm pretty sure that I'm me.
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[09:48:19] <Elarcis> I disagree, because I also am pretty sure that I'm me.
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[09:48:26] <Elarcis> Only one of us can be right.
[09:48:33] <uru> Yes, but you are you, and I am me.
[09:48:52] <Elarcis> stop using complicated words you don't understand!
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[09:49:20] <uru> I'm using perfictly cromulent words.
[09:49:38] <uru> You need to embiggen your knowledge, Elarcis.
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[09:50:30] <Pyrrhus666> if cromulent is in your daily vocabulary, hats off to you ;)
[09:50:44] <Elarcis> holy hell, if you're going to make english pop-culture references, you'll lose me pretty quick D:
[09:50:51] <uru> lol
[09:51:01] <uru> Elarcis: It's actually a Simpsons reference
[09:51:19] * Elarcis googles 'perfictly' => only gets iFunny results
[09:51:25] <Elarcis> well that is sad
[09:51:38] <Elarcis> uru: I've seen that, but that's pop-culture
[09:51:42] <Elarcis> uru: BAM
[09:51:57] <uru> Not English pop-culture though, American ;)
[09:52:26] <Preuk> ha-ha!
[09:52:27] <ngWalrus> English pop-culture reference would be saying "I have a cunning plan milord"
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[09:52:57] <Pyrrhus666> it wouldn´t perchance involve beets in any way now would it ?
[09:53:02] <uru> ngWalrus: Whilst wearing a top hat and sipping tea from a delicate china cup while huge steam engines do their thing in the background
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[09:53:12] <Elarcis> uru: but the language's not American
[09:53:17] <Elarcis> uru: Ha-ha!
[09:53:39] <uru> Elarcis: Actually arguably it is. English and American-English differ a fair amount in terms of language and use
[09:54:24] <Elarcis> oh please. I have such a patchwork accent, I both sound british, scottish, american and french
[09:54:35] <uru> lol
[09:54:40] <uru> That's quite impressive
[09:54:42] <ngWalrus> like sucking on a fag means two very different things in america and in england
[09:54:53] <Guest27805> hello angular folks - im tasked with building on an old project in angular 1.3 with uses the the NgRoute from back then - if i upgrade to angular 1.5 would UI-router still be a better choice that ngRoute ?
[09:55:06] <Elarcis> uru: that just saddens me
[09:55:24] <uru> Elarcis: Our UX designer is from Hungary but speaks with an American accent because her English teacher was American
[09:55:25] <ngWalrus> Guest27805 most likely yes, but it might not
[09:55:42] <Preuk> Elarcis: you should consider adding indian accent to the mix
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[09:56:09] <Elarcis> Preuk: I can't do that one, but russian I can
[09:56:15] <Guest27805> ngWalrus: if you were to build a angular app from scratch in 1.5 - would you choose ngRoute or UI-router then ?
[09:56:34] <Elarcis> Guest27805: ui-router
[09:56:40] <ngWalrus> ui.router
[09:56:58] <Guest27805> ngWalrus: thanks - all i needed to hear
[09:57:08] <Elarcis> Guest27805: but since you're upgrading, you might want to stick with ngRouter
[09:57:14] <Pyrrhus666> Guest27805: depends on the app. if nested views are a must, ui-router, else just stick with ngrouter.
[09:57:16] <Elarcis> Guest27805: and switch to ui-router later
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[09:57:53] <Elarcis> hm
[09:58:01] <Elarcis> can't seem to find satisfying articles about AoT
[09:58:15] <Guest27805> well the stuff that i need to add is more advanced than the current app - so som refactoring is required anyways
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[09:58:53] <Preuk> Elarcis: angluar blog entry about AoT along with official doc looks pretty clear.. but mostly CLI based
[09:59:15] <Pyrrhus666> if upgrading is the first thing you do, I´d personally go with what Elarcis suggested, and add ui-router later.
[10:01:12] <Guest27805> thanks @Elarcis and @ngWalrus
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[10:01:34] <ngWalrus> ui-router is pretty easy to just drop in later on
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[10:01:59] <ngWalrus> basically just find and replae route with state
[10:02:04] <ngWalrus> *replace
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[10:03:15] <ngWalrus> but if starting a brand new project ui-router all the way
[10:03:28] <ngWalrus> since multiple nested named views is pretty sexy
[10:03:37] <Elarcis> ngWalrus:
[10:03:46] <Elarcis> I have to admit that I joined a project using uiRouter
[10:04:16] <Elarcis> but the conf is so obscure, and sticky states are so uncommented in the app, that I just use what's existing without understanding it
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[10:04:52] <ngWalrus> that's more a problem with the project and not with ui-router
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[10:05:04] <ngWalrus> (also sticky states are not a part of the main ui-router distribution)
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[10:18:34] <alex_> hello all
[10:18:59] <alex_> I have a question
[10:19:09] <alex_> anyone there?
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[10:19:16] <yottzumm> Yes
[10:19:40] <alex_> After login I need to redirect to diferent module page
[10:19:55] <alex_> how can I do that , second module is independent module
[10:20:28] <alex_> I have set grunt root path to login page , but i am not able to map other module files
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[10:21:31] <luc4> Hello! I need to find an element by id but it seems getElementById always returns null both in ngOnInit and ngAfterViewInit. Is this normal?
[10:22:03] <Elarcis> does someone have a good standalone merging tool for windows?
[10:22:13] <Preuk> Elarcis: kdiff3 or winmerge
[10:22:21] <luc4> Elarcis: meld?
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[10:23:13] <Elarcis> was using winmerge, will try meld
[10:23:14] <Elarcis> thanks!
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[10:24:12] <ngWalrus> vimdiff is bestg
[10:24:14] <ngWalrus> best*
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[10:24:25] <Elarcis> ngWalrus: well I'd like to use vscodez
[10:24:28] <Elarcis> halas
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[10:24:44] <ngWalrus> vimdiff is standalone
[10:24:49] <ngWalrus> it even runs in your console
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[10:25:08] <yottzumm> Alex, with something like this?http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19697004/angularjs-how-to-redirect-back-to-the-next-route-after-logging-in
[10:26:44] <marius1309> hello, hope i don't distrub anyone. So i'm using yeoman and angular-fullstack. The app is served using gulp. And I want to use a locale script: https://github.com/angular/bower-angular-i18n
[10:27:12] <marius1309> I installed the package using npm (because I believe bower is not used in this gulp project).
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[10:27:33] <marius1309> however I don't know how to include a certain locale script in my project.
[10:27:38] <yottzumm> Luc4, I believe document is overridden in angularjs -- you'll have to find an angular way
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[10:28:11] <marius1309> I tried adding the <script></script> tag in the _index.html file but I had no success.
[10:28:12] <luc4> yottzumm: ah I see... thanks
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[10:31:25] <yottzumm> Marius, can you use a filter to achieve locale?
[10:31:31] <Pyrrhus666> yottzumm, luc4: would that be https://angular.io/docs/ts/latest/api/platform-browser/index/DOCUMENT-let.html ? in ng1 it was $document...
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[10:33:44] <yottzumm> Pyrrhus, likely.  How would you import it in angular 2?
[10:34:59] <marius1309> I think it should work automatically once a certain locale is included. But I'm not sure. I want to use it for dates.
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[10:36:02] <Pyrrhus666> yottzumm: it´s a DI token, so just inject and use it, I suppose, but searching for something as generic as ¨DOCUMENT¨ is undoable...
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[10:38:47] <luc4> Hello, I see somewhere that some event like (drop) exists in angular2. I need to listen for files dropped onto elements, is this what I should use? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/35136867/drop-event-not-working-angular-2 I'm not sure cause I don't see the official docs about that.
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[10:40:31] <yottzumm> Marius, does this help?  Maybe putting the file on the server?http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12664823/angular-js-support-for-localization
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[10:42:27] <luc4> yottzumm: actually I see I use document somewhere in the same ts file...
[10:42:52] <luc4> yottzumm: and getElementById is working. It is not working in ngOnInit and ngAfterViewInit maybe...
[10:43:20] <uru> luc4: Did you try ngAfterContentInit ?
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[10:43:30] <yottzumm> It may be directive versus controller versus service.  I forget
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[10:44:32] <arlekin> hi guys
[10:44:38] <yottzumm> I know jquery can only be used in some places and then it's jqlite
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[10:46:21] <yottzumm> Luc4, I would try that for drag and drop.  Make sure the corresponding on* events exist in html5
[10:46:28] <MiguelAngelLegan> Hi all! I have a doubt about routing in Angular 2 RC5. When you do a route to a component, this component is a new instace or is the same instance than before? I mean, in my app, if yo dou a route to the component, the method "ngOnInit" executes once, but if you do another route to the same link, the method "ngOnInit" doesn't execute
[10:46:33] <luc4> uru: not working either
[10:46:39] <arlekin> so i commited the crime of writing a medium blog post, anyone would care to give me an opinion ? (its about how Enki handle feedback), i mean if noone is interested i won't post a link even (i dont want to ordinarily plug myself here, i respect you guys after all)
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[10:47:42] <luc4> yottzumm: but is there official docs for those?
[10:48:15] <icebox> arlekin: link?
[10:48:56] <yottzumm> Miguel: you're putting more than one route on same link?  Create a function which does both?
[10:49:22] <arlekin> icebox: https://medium.com/ at Arlekin/how-come-we-dont-have-feedback-on-feedback-in-all-products-and-services-3f76c31b49f3# dot ul3jxv46p
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[10:49:50] <MiguelAngelLegan> Hi yottzumm . I'm putting one route on the link, like this: {path: 'template/create/:idParentFolder', component: CreateTemplateComponent}
[10:49:50] <arlekin> icebox: funnily enough i would like some feedback since i never wrote anything publicly so im a bit insecure
[10:50:08] <yottzumm> Luc4, if they are standard events, they would be documented in html5, like click/onclick, not angular
[10:51:12] <luc4> yottzumm: http://www.w3schools.com/tags/ev_ondrop.asp
[10:51:37] <yottzumm> Migueal, you said another route on same link
[10:51:42] <arlekin> luc4: noooo, not w3schools... noooo
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[10:52:33] <luc4> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/HTML_Drag_and_Drop_API
[10:53:11] <alex_> @yottzumm
[10:53:29] <icebox> arlekin: it seems ok and interesting
[10:53:31] <luc4> yottzumm: you mean that if onabcd exists in html I'm guaranteed that (abcd) exists in angular2?
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[10:53:50] <yottzumm> Yes, if it works in html5,  then you should be able to use the angular 2 syntax.  If not, search for an issue or bug report
[10:53:57] <arlekin> icebox: well, thanks :) i hope you are not encouragingly nice here
[10:54:02] <alex_> yottzumm :- actually through ng-route I need to call different module state
[10:54:02] <luc4> yottzumm: thanks
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[10:54:34] <arlekin> icebox: anyways thanks for opinion though
[10:54:51] <icebox> arlekin: no... it remember me observe.it or spyjs approach
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[10:55:23] <arlekin> icebox: dont know that things unfortunately, still its pretty awesome
[10:55:31] <Preuk> i have some weird issues while testing AoT on rc6
[10:55:43] <arlekin> Preuk: Angular of Things ?
[10:55:55] <Preuk> Error: can't find symbol Query exported from module /projects/app-ng2/node_modules/ at angular/core/src/metadata dot d.ts
[10:56:00] <Pyrrhus666> arlekin: nice read, and I can recognize a lot of what you´re saying. getting actual feedback on your feedback can be a joyous occasion :)
[10:56:10] <Preuk> arlekin: that would be the best buzzword of the year
[10:56:24] <arlekin> Preuk: inowrite xD
[10:56:37] <icebox> arlekin: observe.it collects realtime navigation behaviour and events: you can watch what a user is doing on your app
[10:56:48] <arlekin> icebox: woah, seems powerful
[10:56:50] <yottzumm> Alex, idk, try stackoverflow.  Do some searches and try some of their suggestions if you find a good one.  If you don't find a good suggestion, it sounds like a good question for stackoverflow
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[10:57:10] <icebox> arlekin: yep.. it seems magic
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[10:57:34] <MiguelAngelLegan> yottzumm: I'm not pretty sure, sorry, I try to explain my case: As I said, my route constant has this path: {path: 'template/create/:idParentFolder', component: CreateTemplateComponent}, and then, I have a function that execute the navigate: this.router.navigate(['/template/create', '1']);. So, I have a console.log in "ngOnInit" component and only executes once, the first time I click the button. If I click the button twic
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[10:58:01] <MiguelAngelLegan> Probably is a misunderstanding in my kwoledge in Angular
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[10:58:35] <icebox> arlekin: the founder https://nl.linkedin.com/in/arnoutkazemier
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[10:58:43] <arlekin> MiguelAngelLegan: well, onInit by definition is ran once
[10:58:54] <Preuk> tsc runs just fine, but ngc fails horribly on some resolution issue on Query from @angular/core
[10:59:30] <blizzzard> Hello everyone, what is the best way to implement an && filter
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[10:59:43] <arlekin> icebox: shame i can't seem to find the site for that project
[10:59:56] <arlekin> blizzzard: the normal way i gues ??
[10:59:59] <blizzzard> I have a result set with duplicates, so one way is to filter for duplicates
[11:00:20] <blizzzard> or is there any other way?
[11:00:38] <icebox> arlekin: yep... I don't think it is public anymore.. it was the winner app of a past node.js hackthon
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[11:01:55] <arlekin> blizzzard: well depending on items and type of collection it might be easier or harder, but i can't seem to find out of the box solution
[11:02:19] <MiguelAngelLegan> arlekin: Thank you for your response. So what is the best way to reproduce this scenario? I mean, I want to create a new element when yo navigate to a link (/template/create) with different id. So if you navigate to /template/create/1 a ne object is created, and if you navigate to /template/create/2 also, a new object is created
[11:02:35] <arlekin> blizzzard: although... http://underscorejs.org/#uniq
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[11:03:01] <MiguelAngelLegan> My solution is to put object's creation on "ngOnInit" method
[11:03:09] <blizzzard> its an array of objects so I have come across a few fews to filter it but was thinking if there's an angular way to do it haha
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[11:03:24] <arlekin> MiguelAngelLegan: hard to say without some code to lean on, but as long as there is a different object created ngInit should be sane solution
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[11:03:35] <blizzzard> .filter takes care of not having to include another lib
[11:03:42] <arlekin> blizzzard: i guess you could do some reduce
[11:04:02] <Elarcis> shoot I made a transaction between my bank accounts and accidentallly sent 1000 excedental euros
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[11:04:20] <arlekin> but if its object, due to inherent problems with comparing objects, i guess you'd have to write something custom
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[11:04:37] <uru> Elarcis: I'll have them if you don't want them :>
[11:04:43] <MiguelAngelLegan> arlekin: Could I show you the code in private?
[11:04:50] <arlekin> uru: was just writing that
[11:05:07] <arlekin> MiguelAngelLegan: better in public, you have nothing to be ashamed of
[11:05:20] <arlekin> MiguelAngelLegan: after all we all have similar things down there...
[11:05:24] <arlekin> ...in editor
[11:05:41] <arlekin> and maybe someone else will also be able to help you
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[11:05:54] <arlekin> as long as you dont paste it into channel
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[11:06:33] <MiguelAngelLegan> yeah, this is the thing I don't want to do, paste the code here :D
[11:06:50] <yottzumm> Pastebin.com
[11:06:52] <arlekin> MiguelAngelLegan: use dpaste or even better some plnkr or something aliek
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[11:07:56] <MiguelAngelLegan> I try to put in plunkr. This was my first time so probably it takes me a long ;) When I finished, I show you the code
[11:10:22] <Elarcis> uru: NO! MUH MONEY
[11:10:50] <uru> Elarcis: I'll give you the secrets of Obduction in exchange?
[11:11:28] <yottzumm> Miguel, my guess is any init on a route will be called once.  You'll have to find the routine or event called with each click.  That is, clicks go to javascript, not links the javascript can then redirect to a route or link
[11:11:57] <Elarcis> uru: so you don't just want to rob me from my money, you want to rob me from fun as well?
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[11:12:36] <uru> Elarcis: Dammit, stop seeing through my evil plans!
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[11:12:52] <arlekin> Elarcis: be glad he/she didn't start fidgeting with your pants
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[11:13:30] <arlekin> btw in topic of games i recently picked up Rimworld
[11:13:30] <Elarcis> arlekin: what the hell
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[11:13:41] <arlekin> its so awesome, game to end all games
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[11:13:50] <uru> o.o
[11:13:51] <Elarcis> arlekin: that game seems fun, but having found prison architect repetitive, I'm a bit worried
[11:13:54] <Preuk> arlekin: Dwarf Fortress in space
[11:14:02] <Elarcis> ^
[11:14:16] <arlekin> Elarcis: didn't play in PA, but its awesome, i'd say more dont starve
[11:14:25] <arlekin> but with more strategic feeling
[11:14:31] <cart_Man> Hey guys.... How do I generate an Express project and then generate a Angular2 project inside the Express one?
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[11:15:05] <cart_Man> arlekin: Which game is this?
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[11:15:25] <arlekin> Preuk: well, i doesn't come even close in terms of detail lvl, but then makes it up with accessibility :P
[11:15:29] <arlekin> cart_Man: Rimworld
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[11:16:20] <Preuk> arlekin: and there a cruel lack of tree huggers, booze, zombie racoon man hair and of course !!magma!!
[11:16:28] * Pyrrhus666 is disappointed at the game´s interpretation of the word ´rim´.
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[11:16:40] <ngWalrus> rimjobworld
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[11:16:57] <ngWalrus> I think myself to be very clever
[11:17:16] <Pyrrhus666> also, sounds like a cheap knockoff of ´ringworld´ (as in the larry niven novels)
[11:17:22] <MiguelAngelLegan> arlekin: whit this example: http://embed.plnkr.co/smUy1twVS8v5YBdDa0c9/ what I view is that when a click is done over a hero, a call to HeroDetailComponent is done and "ngOnInit" method is execute every time to click on Hero with different id
[11:17:23] <uru> ngWalrus: http://instantrimshot.com/
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[11:17:33] <yottzumm> Cart man did you try this?  https://medium.com/cyrusite-chatter/building-an-express-node-js-app-with-angular-2-and-the-twitter-api-4eebd06fecff#.fz71q6gvx
[11:17:41] <arlekin> Preuk: beats me bro, i tried to pick up DF, got overwhelmed
[11:17:50] <arlekin> uru: seems like an url i dont want to click on
[11:17:58] <arlekin> ngWalrus: you are the only one
[11:18:15] <uru> arlekin: It's SFW, just plays a sound when you click a big red button
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[11:18:29] <ngWalrus> DF is a little like emacs
[11:18:33] <arlekin> uru: and you think i'll believe you ?
[11:18:45] <arlekin> uru: i wasn't born yesterday y'know
[11:19:07] <Preuk> arlekin: to be honest, i used to play DF a lot before 2010, i only try new versions for a few hours. too busy for that :(
[11:19:11] <arlekin> ngWalrus: oh i dont know, i imagine one day i'll use dwarf fortress
[11:19:11] <uru> arlekin: I know, but I'm not out to trick anyone, but don't have a way of prooving that :(
[11:19:24] <cart_Man> yottzumm: Yes I took that projecy exactly like it is there and remove all of his code keepingj ust the structure... after a while I found I can not compile Typescript and I also could not FOR THE LIFE OF ME import " socket.io "
[11:19:31] <arlekin> uru: thats why irc-cred is everything nowadays
[11:19:37] <ngWalrus> I
[11:19:50] <uru> arlekin: irc-cred?
[11:19:50] <ngWalrus> I'm pretty sure you can make a simple ALU in df
[11:19:54] <MiguelAngelLegan> arlekin: Sorry, the example I put before is not Angular RC5
[11:20:24] <arlekin> MiguelAngelLegan: also i dont see a problem there, but maybe i didnt understood what was the issue
[11:20:33] <ngWalrus> actually you could make a cpu technically, but our pc will probably explode before that happens
[11:20:48] <arlekin> uru: a pun on an expression "street cred" which is kinda slang of credibility
[11:20:58] <yottzumm> Cartman, socket.io is typescript or es6?
[11:20:59] <uru> arlekin: ah, fair enough
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[11:21:16] <arlekin> ngWalrus: would it though ? cpu is maybe a big word, but something semi-turing complete...
[11:21:35] <ngWalrus> I'm pretty sure you could
[11:22:07] <arlekin> ngWalrus: dudes made alus and even displays with keyboards in freaking minecraft ffs
[11:22:12] <MiguelAngelLegan> arlekin: My question is if my point of view is correct, e.g., when you navigate to a component with param, a new instance of this component is created? If so, there is something in my app that doesn't work
[11:22:28] <arlekin> ngWalrus: i've seen someone made binary calculator in freaking terraria
[11:22:42] <arlekin> ngWalrus: to sum up, ppl have too much time
[11:22:58] <ngWalrus> Yeah someone made a turing complete computer in dwarf fort, don't know if it's just the alu or what
[11:23:05] <Preuk> ALU (or any basic logic) is doable with animals or other "guests", using pressure plates, doors and abusing pathfinding
[11:23:14] <Preuk> but sync is a nightmare
[11:23:15] <ngWalrus> http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-8269
[11:23:40] <Preuk> btw is there any up to date doc for ngc?
[11:23:52] <arlekin> MiguelAngelLegan: well, not sure how it all goes in ng2 but when page (or partial) is loadend and anular runs on it then it constructs components etc
[11:24:16] <Preuk> it looks like it tries to use some defautl file name for bootstrap  which is not available in my project
[11:25:38] <yottzumm> Bootstrap is not installled?
[11:26:01] <cart_Man> yottzumm: Hmm normal JS?
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[11:27:02] <yottzumm> Cartman, may require some work to upgrade?
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[11:28:26] <yottzumm> Maybe try use strict cartman
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[11:33:53] <cart_Man> yottzumm: strict? is that the package name? Also on that example... after running NPM install I can run the server but I can get the Typscript changes that I make to compile inside the Client folder.
[11:33:54] <yottzumm> Cartman, did you try this? https://github.com/riebel/socketio-es6-starter
[11:34:18] <Elarcis> 60% of angular2 code is actually the compiler? wow, that's quite interesting regardinc AoT
[11:34:42] <yottzumm> "use strict" -- header in JavaScript
[11:34:49] <arlekin> Elarcis: again, what does this mean ?? i mean it cant seriousle mean Angular of Things
[11:34:59] <arlekin> maybe "Angular on Things"
[11:35:00] <Elarcis> arlekin: Ahead of Time
[11:35:23] <arlekin> Elarcis: right... so now its all clear....
[11:35:26] <Elarcis> arlekin: not to be mistaken for AoC, which is french for 'Appelation d'Origine Controllée'
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[11:35:50] <arlekin> Elarcis: ha... punny
[11:36:09] <Elarcis> arlekin: it means that angular 2 can be precompiled at dev-time, compared to being compiled by the browser and having to deploy the compiler next to the app
[11:36:31] <Preuk> Elarcis: except AoT looks broken in my setup
[11:36:34] <Elarcis> arlekin: kind of like deploying a Java source code application, that the user has to compile each time they launch it
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[11:36:48] <arlekin> Elarcis: nuff said
[11:36:58] <arlekin> didnt know it was called that way
[11:37:22] <anli> I have a problem with a shopping cart that uses a lot of bindings inside a ng-repeat like {{item.Count}}, should I try to change that to function calls to improve performance?
[11:37:41] <Elarcis> anli: won't change it
[11:37:47] <anli> ok
[11:38:15] <Elarcis> anli: however, you /can/ see what bindings are supposed to be kept synchronized, and what will have the same value as long as an item is displayed
[11:38:15] <anli> It seems like the client side goes slow when there are a lot of items in that cart
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[11:38:31] <Elarcis> anli: and use one-time bindings to put these 'static' bindings out of the checking loop
[11:39:24] <anli> Actually, I think they are all static
[11:39:32] <Elarcis> anli: like the name of an article, it's price, etc. which would not change, but the quantity would
[11:39:46] <Elarcis> *its
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[11:40:02] <anli> If some changes happends in the order, the items are reloaded from the network anyway
[11:40:08] <anli> with ajax
[11:40:09] <Elarcis> anli: check out one-time binding, then, it'll save you some perfs
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[11:40:38] <Pyrrhus666> aobut this AoT thing : does that mean that the distributed files are actually some form of bytecode instead of js ?
[11:40:54] <yottzumm> Someone asked about document.getElementById.  I think it works as long as you are referring to an id inside component
[11:41:50] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: http://blog.mgechev.com/2016/08/14/ahead-of-time-compilation-angular-offline-precompilation/
[11:42:17] <yottzumm> In otherwords,  document is aliases to the top level element in a component
[11:42:23] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: section "When the compilation takes place?"
[11:42:34] <yottzumm> Aliased
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[11:42:52] <anli> Elarcis: I get "static" bindings by changing {{item.count}} to {{getcount(item)}}, right?
[11:43:03] <anli> Where getcount is a method defined in the scope
[11:43:45] <Elarcis> anli: not at all, because your function is ran as well
[11:43:46] <Pyrrhus666> icebox: thx, reading
[11:44:00] <anli> ok
[11:44:18] <Elarcis> anli: you get one-time bindings like this: http://blog.thoughtram.io/angularjs/2014/10/14/exploring-angular-1.3-one-time-bindings.html
[11:44:26] <Elarcis> anli: this is old, but still relevant
[11:44:51] <anli> Ah, ::
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[11:49:24] <Elarcis> lunchtime!
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[11:49:52] <anli> In 11 mins :)
[11:50:15] <anli> Seems like one time bindings was a nice cure to my problems
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[11:50:24] <Pyrrhus666> so AoT is more like transpiling than compiling... curious how much improvement this will get us in real world apps, esp. in the actual user experience...
[11:50:30] <anli> I am not 100% sure but I think they are
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[11:51:58] <anli> Can I change ng-hide="detailItem.StatusCode > 4" to ng-hide="::detailItem.StatusCode > 4"?
[11:52:34] <anli> Seems like that...
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[11:57:02] <Preuk> can anyone explain  what this sentence from copiler-cli doc means?
[11:57:06] <Preuk> "Users with a build system should expect an Angular 2 template plugin. Such a plugin would be based on the index.ts in this directory"
[11:57:38] <Preuk> ngc fails on trying to load index.ts (which does not exists here), but what is it supposed to be?
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[11:57:56] <blizzzard> In this example https://material.angularjs.org/latest/demo/virtualRepeat how would I fetchNewItems_ on ngChange?
[12:00:25] <Pyrrhus666> Preuk: isn´t the index supposed to just contain the ´export´ part of the component/module it belongs to ?
[12:00:44] <Pyrrhus666> there was a term for it, but I forgot...
[12:01:17] <Preuk> isn't it the "app.module.ts" as ng2 doc recommends naming it?
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[12:01:26] <Pyrrhus666> https://angular.io/docs/ts/latest/glossary.html#!#barrel
[12:01:37] <anli> Elarcis: Strange, a binding is behaving like a one time binding even if I removed the ::, keeping :: in some other places
[12:01:41] <Preuk> thanks
[12:01:51] <anli> Maybe I get a disturbance from the other ::s then
[12:02:15] <Pyrrhus666> Preuk: not sure if it relates to your issue, but ´barreling´ was the term I was looking for.
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[12:02:22] <blizzzard> virtual-repeat only fetches - new items when i scroll down, I want to call that method when I pass in a value to the input
[12:02:27] <Preuk> ok, i'll try that thanks
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[12:02:40] <Preuk> maybe an error in my build system somewhere ... but tsc runs just fine
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[12:08:12] <Preuk> ok... it looks like index.ts is generated just fine, but some internal ng2 resolution fails
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[12:08:24] <bd-> wayhay, upgraded angular-cli and... what a surprise, it's broken stuff and i can't ng serve anymore
[12:08:27] <bd-> ✔
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[12:08:53] <Preuk> Error: can't find symbol Query exported from module [...]/node_modules/ at angular/core/src/metadata dot d.ts
[12:09:34] <Preuk> any new dependency to add maybe?
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[12:12:00] <Preuk> "Developers looking to try AoT may run into errors the first time they try - don’t panic!"
[12:12:30] <Preuk> ok, thx, bye. back to JiT for now
[12:13:03] <anli> Can I get an event from angularjs when all bindings all resolved?
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[12:39:01] <Elarcis> anli: what are you trying to do?
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[12:40:54] <anli> Elarcis: I want to identify more places where I can put one-time bindings
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[12:41:44] <Elarcis> anli: and how can cathing the end of the $digest loop help you?
[12:42:12] <anli> Then I can see how probable it is that I missed something
[12:42:21] <anli> Because the app is still unworkable
[12:42:32] <anli> Even if I have seen some improvement
[12:42:45] <anli> Is this a one-time binding? ng-disabled="::detailItem.StatusCode > 4 || detailItem.IsStructureArticle == 'True'"
[12:43:15] <anli> Does it try to reevaluate if detailItem.IsStructureArticle changes?
[12:43:32] <Elarcis> anli: if the ng-disabled attribute is not in the DOM when you inspect your element, yes it is
[12:43:49] <Elarcis> anli: not sure it applies to the whole expression rather than just detailItem.StatusCode > 4, though
[12:44:05] <anli> That is what I need to get an understanding of
[12:44:20] <Elarcis> anli: no, bindings are what is getting evaluated, there's no magic code to check for change other than bindings
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[12:44:51] <anli> But I need to find bindings that are not yet one-time bindings but should be
[12:45:35] <cart_Man> yottzumm: Is there some kind of tool I can use that will compile 1 folders .ts files to .js files?
[12:45:40] <Elarcis> anli: basically the view is the starting point for evaluation of values. events or code trigger changes, and changes trigger a $digest. the $digest just runs every registered watcher to check for changes, but like 99% of your watchers are just template-defined expressions
[12:45:45] <cart_Man> yottzumm: I stil lcan not get it to work
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[12:45:56] <cart_Man> yottzumm: I even tried edting Gulp but it just fails
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[12:46:24] <Elarcis> anli: once a full $digest is ran without any change detected, the app's gets back to sleep until the next $digest trigger
[12:46:26] <Elarcis> (in a nutshell)
[12:48:04] <anli> Yes, but it would be great to see what angularjs did in the digest cycle and for how long time
[12:48:33] <Elarcis> anli: what should be a one-time binding can only be determined functionnally. in a perfect case, nothing should be a one-time binding, and everything would be sync'ed magically. however performance is expensive, and we cannot afford that in a majority of cases
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[12:49:02] <Elarcis> anli: there's a dev-tool called 'timeline'.
[12:49:13] <anli> I think is also adds to the beauty of the code to declare one time bindings
[12:49:13] <Elarcis> anli: you can use it to see what functions take the most time to run
[12:49:18] <anli> It adds understanding
[12:49:24] <Elarcis> anli: well that's optimization
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[12:49:40] <anli> I am talking about understandability optimization :)
[12:49:50] <Elarcis> anli: optimized and clean code is what we all strive for :D
[12:50:00] <anli> yeah
[12:50:10] <anli> And one-time bindings adds to clearness is some way
[12:50:10] <Elarcis> and money, don't forget money.
[12:50:12] <anli> hehehe
[12:50:29] <blizzzard> I've created a plnkr for replicating the issue, how do I call fetchMoreItem_ on ngChange https://plnkr.co/edit/vnrEOmQJ96ZETQpzlaMj
[12:50:47] <MiguelAngelLegan> I'm trying to create the plunkr with the code to show my problem, meanwhile I ask another question about route, that could be a hint. For example, if you have this piece of code (sorry pasting code here but is too short):  <a routerLink="/detail/1" routerLinkActive="active">Link1</a>       <a routerLink="/detail/2" routerLinkActive="active">Link2</a>     <router-outlet></router-outlet>
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[12:51:35] <MiguelAngelLegan> if you click on first link, the ngOnInit method is execute, but if you clik on the second link isn't
[12:51:46] <damian__> hi. is there an irc channel for angular-2 ?
[12:52:52] <Foxandxss> damian__: this one
[12:53:53] <damian__> thanks Foxandxss how can I start to learn ?
[12:54:05] <Foxandxss> read the quickstart and tour of heroes (the tutorial)
[12:54:52] <damian__> ok thanks a lot
[12:55:38] <MiguelAngelLegan> probably I have a misundestanding how the route works
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[12:58:42] <Elarcis> holy molly guys
[12:58:48] <Elarcis> http://splintercode.github.io/is-angular-2-ready/
[12:58:52] <Elarcis> there are no planned RC anymore
[12:59:03] <uru> Sweet!
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[13:00:02] <blizzzard> virtual-repeat only fetches - new items when i scroll down, I want to call that method when I pass in a value to the input. I've created a plnkr for replicating the issue, how do I call fetchMoreItem_ on ngChange https://plnkr.co/edit/vnrEOmQJ96ZETQpzlaMj
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[13:00:27] <Foxandxss> no, no more RC unless RC6 has obvious bugs
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[13:00:58] <Elarcis>  \o/
[13:01:08] <icebox> Foxandxss: it seems Sep, 14th is the date :)
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[13:01:40] <Foxandxss> Who mentioned that specific date?
[13:01:54] <icebox> Foxandxss: angular tweet
[13:02:22] <Foxandxss> link?
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[13:02:31] <icebox> Foxandxss: https://twitter.com/angularjs/status/771622708417171456
[13:02:35] <Foxandxss> first time I hear that
[13:02:50] <Foxandxss> oh, special event
[13:02:53] <Foxandxss> doesn't meant final release
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[13:03:23] <Foxandxss> so it could happen or it could not, I am not sure
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[13:03:30] <icebox> Foxandxss: :P
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[13:04:31] <MiguelAngelLegan> ok guys, I get the problem in my misunderstandig :D I don't take in consideration the route.params with ActivatedRoute injection and the subscription to params
[13:04:32] <Elarcis> hehehe
[13:04:33] <Elarcis> suspense
[13:05:03] <Foxandxss> it could be, but having angular connect a bit later than that, I guess that is better to "save" the surprise
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[13:06:46] <blizzzard> Guys can someone please help me out here :P
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[13:07:49] <Foxandxss> my angular 1 has been deleted from my brain, sorry
[13:08:43] <blizzzard> I think this is more js than angularjs though
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[13:09:37] <Elarcis> blizzzard: don't ask to ask :3
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[13:09:58] <andygmb> If i have a controller, and after that controller is defined, I do controller.prototype.someData = {data:"whatever"}, then when paused in chromes debugger in a method belonging to that controller, I don't see this.someData as an available property untill this.someData is called/used by the method
[13:09:58] <neredsenvy> Anyone able to help with this https://dpaste.de/tqfC#L my code works well problem is the deleteNewContact() method it works but only if I delete from last added contact to first
[13:10:01] <icebox> Elarcis: <blizzzard> virtual-repeat only fetches - new items when i scroll down, I want to call that method when I pass in a value to the input. I've created a plnkr for replicating the issue, how do I call fetchMoreItem_ on ngChange https://plnkr.co/edit/vnrEOmQJ96ZETQpzlaMj
[13:10:05] <andygmb> is the above normal behaviour?
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[13:10:17] <Elarcis> oops sorry
[13:10:27] <icebox> Elarcis: :P
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[13:10:43] <Elarcis> andygmb: yes it is, this how prototypes work
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[13:11:01] <andygmb> hm, how so?
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[13:11:09] <neredsenvy> Seems it's an issue with index & tack by just not sure how to go about it
[13:11:15] <Elarcis> andygmb: your object should however posess a __proto__ property, which is basically your prototype
[13:11:25] <neredsenvy> maybe re run the ng-repeat
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[13:12:40] <andygmb> so when calling this.someData, it checks __proto__ for someData as well?
[13:12:49] <andygmb> then if it finds it, it adds it as a property to this?
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[13:13:37] <anli> Is there a way to break js execution to see where it actually is?
[13:14:06] <Pyrrhus666> anli: setting breakpoints in (e.g.) chrome´s dev-tools ?
[13:14:12] <Elarcis> andygmb: it doesn't add the property, it just uses it
[13:14:15] <anli> I talk about hitting a button
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[13:14:20] <blizzzard> Elarcis, that's also the 3rd time i asked the same thing haha
[13:14:27] <Elarcis> andygmb: read an article about JS prototypes ;)
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[13:14:35] <andygmb> any recommended articles? :D
[13:14:36] <neredsenvy> What's the correct way to delete from a tracked array in AJS ?
[13:14:39] <icebox> anli: pause script execution F8 (devtools)
[13:15:06] <anli> Cool :)
[13:15:19] <anli> That could be a life saver
[13:15:29] <Elarcis> blizzzard: sorry, didn't see it D:
[13:15:29] <Elarcis> andygmb: also, this is why you have scope inheritance in angularjs non-isolated scopes
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[13:15:51] <andygmb> hm?
[13:15:54] <andygmb> could you expand on that
[13:16:03] <Elarcis> andygmb: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Inheritance_and_the_prototype_chain
[13:16:23] <andygmb> thanks
[13:16:30] <anli> I halted the execution when it got heavy with F8 and came in the js file for signalr
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[13:16:56] <anli> angularjs does not use signalr, does it?
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[13:17:50] <ngWalrus> nope
[13:18:01] <Elarcis> neredsenvy: splice(index, 1)
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[13:18:33] <Elarcis> neredsenvy: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Array/splice
[13:18:55] <neredsenvy> Elarcis: That does not work correctly only works if you are removing the last element of the tracked array
[13:19:19] <Elarcis> neredsenvy: definitely not, so there's something wrong elsewhere
[13:19:40] <neredsenvy> Elarcis: If you splice an element in the middle it still removed that element but than it seems to mess up tracking
[13:19:44] <neredsenvy> Elarcis: https://dpaste.de/tqfC#L
[13:19:51] <neredsenvy> Nothing special about my code should work
[13:20:00] <Elarcis> neredsenvy: you wrote 'spice'
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[13:20:19] <neredsenvy> splice*
[13:20:36] <Pyrrhus666> the spice must flow !
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[13:20:49] <neredsenvy> mistake at C-P
[13:21:00] <neredsenvy> it's splice in code but
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[13:21:07] <neredsenvy> it just acts weird
[13:21:16] <Elarcis> neredsenvy: plunkr?
[13:21:21] <neredsenvy> like if I delete last element it works as intended
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[13:21:57] <neredsenvy> not sure how to use plunkr
[13:22:12] <neredsenvy> lets see
[13:22:21] <Elarcis> neredsenvy: just go there: http://plnkr.co/edit/tpl:nKLNBdve51sqOoKZAOUS
[13:22:31] <Elarcis> neredsenvy: put some HTML, some JS code that corresponds to it, and try
[13:22:47] <neredsenvy> kk
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[13:25:30] <Elarcis> neredsenvy: can confirm, splice works
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[13:25:38] <Elarcis> neredsenvy: http://plnkr.co/edit/lTH0EAIuXqkQcllahgI0
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[13:26:01] <neredsenvy> not really
[13:26:03] <neredsenvy> hold up
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[13:28:38] <bd-> wtf does angular-cli keep getting reinstalled with wrong version on npm update
[13:28:46] <anli> Can angularjs report how many bindable fields there are on the page?
[13:28:52] <anli> Not being one-time binding
[13:28:59] <icebox> anli: yes
[13:29:25] <Foxandxss> sounds like an npm problem
[13:29:39] <icebox> anli: https://medium.com/ at kentcdodds/counting-angularjs-watchers-11c5134dc2ef# dot ws6cv9q09
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[13:30:01] <anli> cool
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[13:31:55] <Elarcis> holy shit that blog scared me
[13:32:19] <Elarcis> 'HELLO THIS IS MY FACE! _and below is my article_'
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[13:39:08] <neredsenvy> Elarcis: http://plnkr.co/edit/kWY9DPsAi7LlTZHxU63k?p=preview  Add 3 contacts just give them name A,B,C than delete B and it will delete B,C as well
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[13:39:40] <neredsenvy> Elarcis: But if you first delete C than B than A it works as intended
[13:39:57] <neredsenvy> it's as if track by index does not get updated
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[13:41:39] <Elarcis> neredsenvy: don't use indexes
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[13:42:00] <neredsenvy> kinda have to in my example
[13:42:11] <neredsenvy> what else than ?
[13:42:14] <Elarcis> no you don't
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[13:43:20] <neredsenvy> Elarcis: I tried without index and I get a duplicate entry error
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[13:43:28] <neredsenvy> when trying to add more than one contact
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[13:43:44] <Elarcis> neredsenvy, ALSO, I would like to stress the fact that you're doing splice(i)
[13:43:57] <Elarcis> which does exactly this: it starts at i, and removes until the end of the array
[13:44:10] <neredsenvy> ups
[13:44:11] <neredsenvy> sec
[13:44:17] <neredsenvy> even if I do i, 1
[13:44:22] <neredsenvy> wont work as intended
[13:44:34] <Elarcis> well first do i, 1 for real and not as a 'even if'
[13:44:38] <Elarcis> then second, I'm looking into it
[13:45:00] <neredsenvy> http://plnkr.co/edit/kWY9DPsAi7LlTZHxU63k?p=preview
[13:45:11] <neredsenvy> still same problem
[13:45:24] <neredsenvy> value of C is deleted
[13:45:27] <Elarcis> neredsenvy: there, fixed http://plnkr.co/edit/KoW0FrrU6ez1fobF9HA2
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[13:45:46] <ngWalrus> http://plnkr.co/edit/huz2Kphi7BgZy6e2eC7T
[13:45:48] <ngWalrus> fuck
[13:45:51] <ngWalrus> Elarcis  was faster
[13:45:53] <ngWalrus> :DD
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[13:46:26] <Elarcis> ngWalrus: also, you didn't fix their issue :D
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[13:46:55] <Elarcis> neredsenvy: but yes, it is discouraged to use $index as the index of the repeated array, because it is not that
[13:46:55] <ngWalrus> http://plnkr.co/edit/huz2Kphi7BgZy6e2eC7T
[13:47:07] <Elarcis> neredsenvy: it is the index of the loop, and it can differ, like in this case
[13:47:19] <ngWalrus> Elarcis it's fine as long as you don't filter in the view
[13:47:20] <Elarcis> neredsenvy: also, that's not a track by index
[13:49:18] <ngWalrus> I'd also argue my solution is faster
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[13:49:35] <Elarcis> ngWalrus: yes but it doesn't work :D
[13:49:41] <ngWalrus> it does?
[13:49:44] <ngWalrus> what's broken in it
[13:50:03] <ngWalrus> I fixed the typo I had in it if that's what you are referring to
[13:50:20] <Elarcis> oh, didn't see you updated it
[13:50:26] <Elarcis> well yes it works
[13:50:40] <Elarcis> FINE.
[13:51:03] <ngWalrus> but I'd say indexOf is a better solution
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[13:51:12] <cart_Man> Can someone please tell me how I can import socket.io into Angular2? OR Just import my own .js files that has EXPORTS in them to use in ANgular2
[13:51:14] <ngWalrus> since you can track by _id for example
[13:51:24] <ngWalrus> and it'll work even with filters in the view
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[13:52:03] <neredsenvy> Elarcis: How I do this without track by
[13:52:17] <ngWalrus> and the speed you get with splice($index, 1) is pretty much nonexistant
[13:52:50] <Elarcis> neredsenvy: like I did
[13:52:51] <neredsenvy> because I first tried without and got duplicate error trying to add a new
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[13:53:38] <Elarcis> neredsenvy: means that two items in your array are the same
[13:53:49] <ngWalrus> Using track by is highly encouraged though
[13:53:51] <Elarcis> like two '', or two undefined, etc.
[13:53:55] <Elarcis> yes it is
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[13:56:07] <bd-> hmm, seems rc6 breaks material2
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[13:56:19] <ngWalrus> rip
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[13:57:03] <ngWalrus> I wonder when angular 2.0 will be released for realsies
[13:57:05] <icebox> bd-: I think for the NgModules stuff
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[13:57:17] <bd-> nah it worked on rc5
[13:57:24] <bd-> they added ngmodule stuff
[13:57:34] <arlekin> hey guys
[13:57:42] <icebox> ciao arlekin
[13:57:51] <arlekin> whats your best and least known dev joke ?
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[14:00:07] <ngWalrus> I'd say the worst joke of a dev would be you :^)
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[14:00:26] <uru> arlekin: It's faily well known but I do like this one: https://twitter.com/sempf/status/514473420277694465
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[14:02:28] <arlekin> uru: yup, it is
[14:02:52] <Elarcis> didn't know it, haha
[14:03:03] <arlekin> Elarcis: srsly >?
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[14:04:42] <Elarcis> I really like this 'joke'. https://xkcd.com/221/
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[14:06:08] <arlekin> Elarcis: im pretty sure i've seen it long before it went on xkcd
[14:06:20] <uru> Elarcis: arlekin: http://stackoverflow.com/a/234419/624673
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[14:07:29] <arlekin> uru: true, it is a classic
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[14:07:46] <uru> arlekin: ['hip','hip']
[14:08:11] <uru> (hip hip array) :3
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[14:09:56] <arlekin> uru: devrant ?
[14:10:15] <arlekin> the best joke ever: !false
[14:10:20] <uru> lol
[14:10:23] <arlekin> its funny cuz its true
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[14:11:42] <uru> arlekin: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/234075/what-is-your-best-programmer-joke
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[14:12:12] <uru> "why programmers line UNIX: unzip, strip, touch, finger, grep, mount, fsck, more, yes, fsck, fsck, fsck, umount, sleep"
[14:12:46] <arlekin> uru: why unix users like tiny girls ?
[14:13:01] <arlekin> uru: cuz they like to fuck with details
[14:13:09] <uru> I don't get that one
[14:13:12] <arlekin> kinda untranslatable to english
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[14:13:32] <arlekin> but translated directly it would make even less sense
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[14:13:54] <damian__> i've made a very basic app following angular.io/docs instructions and when I enter "npm start" in the terminal I have this error: tsc && concurrently "npm run tsc:w" "npm run lite"
[14:13:54] <arlekin> "they like to fuck with tiny, nitty, gritty details: ??
[14:14:04] <damian__> can anyone help me, please
[14:14:10] <arlekin> its a pun about manually doing things in *nix systems
[14:14:16] <uru> arlekin: Ah right
[14:14:24] <uru> damian__: I don't see an error message there
[14:14:27] <Preuk> damian__: this is not an error, this is the npm command used to compile and start server
[14:14:32] <Preuk> anything else displayed?
[14:14:52] <damian__> sorry, this is the error: Failed at the angular2-quickstart at 1 dot 0.0 start script 'tsc && concurrently "npm run tsc:w" "npm run lite" '.
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[14:15:16] <damian__> Make sure you have the latest version of node.js and npm installed.
[14:15:17] <damian__> npm ERR! If you do, this is most likely a problem with the angular2-quickstart package
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[14:16:02] <damian__> the app is made following this instructions: https://angular.io/docs/ts/latest/quickstart.html
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[14:16:06] <Preuk> looks like you're missing packages required to use "concurrently"
[14:16:15] <Preuk> met this problem when reinstalling
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[14:17:31] <damian__> Preuk do you know where can I download a very basic app (i'm starting to learn) that works ??
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[14:18:26] <petzup> hy, how would i get selected item to ng-model if i have dynamic selects?
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[14:19:13] <Preuk> damian__: follow quickstart instruction by the letter and you should be fine
[14:19:14] <Pyrrhus666> damian__: https://github.com/angular/quickstart/blob/master/README.md
[14:19:33] <Preuk> thanks Pyrrhus666, forgot about the demo repo
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[14:19:55] <damian__> preuk I followed it by the letter (I copied and paste the code in every file)
[14:20:03] <damian__> thanks Pyrrhus666
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[14:20:25] <Preuk> damian__: it's not just code, it's dev environment setup too
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[14:20:44] <Preuk> npm and typescript are a bit tricky to setup if you're not used to it
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[14:27:46] <Elarcis> damian__: silly question, but you're sure you did a npm install in first place? :D
[14:28:01] <damian__> yes Elarcis
[14:28:15] <damian__> Pyrrhus666 that one works with any problem. thanks again !
[14:28:23] <Elarcis> damian__: ok, asking because sometimes we get people who don't kno you have to do that first
[14:29:16] <Elarcis> https://xkcd.com/612/
[14:29:21] <icebox> bd-: did you use ng2 router with es5?
[14:29:30] <arlekin> !tiarx
[14:29:30] <angularjs_bot> "There Is Always a Relevant XKCD"
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[14:30:09] <damian__> Elarcis i did npm install and all modules are there
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[14:30:17] <SBackUp> hi everyone
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[14:30:37] <Preuk> arlekin: and when there is none, there's probably a relevant smbc
[14:31:04] <SBackUp> I would like to use angular-wizard with angular-translate, but I have a console error when I try to do it in the wz-title
[14:31:16] <icebox> bd-: it gives me an "internal" error whatever I put in RouterModule.forRoot(routes)
[14:31:20] <arlekin> Preuk: for sure
[14:31:37] <arlekin> i saw one pretty good recently about time-travel
[14:31:41] <SBackUp> how can I solve this one ?
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[14:33:08] <bd-> icebox: i had to switch tsconfig to target es6 to get some other stuff to work
[14:33:14] <Preuk> arlekin: i linked one about killing hitler last week :p
[14:33:23] <bd-> i can't actually get my app to load atm, so not even sure if ithe router bit is working yet or not
[14:33:24] <arlekin> Preuk: precisely the one :D
[14:33:49] <arlekin> on more relevant note, i recently listened to few episodes of podcasts related to ng 2
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[14:34:09] <icebox> bd-: I debugged the stack trace for hours, the exception is in the router space, but I cannot understand what is the problem
[14:34:28] <arlekin> and the common koan there seemed to be: "angular 2 is easy, the only hard parts are around the tooling (ie. ts)"
[14:36:03] <icebox> bd-: of course removing the router stuff and using directly the selector of the component, the snippet works
[14:36:29] <bd-> wait are you talking about rc6 or previous?
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[14:36:42] <bd-> had the ng2 router working ok on rc5
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[14:37:14] <icebox> bd-: rc6... I used router-deprecated with rc5 and it worked... ok... trying with rc5
[14:37:33] <bd-> did you upgrade the router?
[14:37:36] <bd-> they changed version numbers
[14:38:07] <icebox> bd-: yep.. I upgraded it... 3.0.0-rc.2
[14:38:47] <bd-> if i could get my app to not fail due to some material2 related template crap then i could tell you if router works
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[14:40:13] <umdstu> i have this element where the ::before psuedo element isn’t ‘working’ after ng-class class is applied
[14:40:23] <umdstu> until I mouse over that element
[14:40:31] <umdstu> even though it shows in the inspect as being applied
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[14:41:34] <bd-> icebox: what is the .forRoot thing for? I didn't use that in rc5
[14:41:52] <icebox> bd-: to configure the routes
[14:42:10] <bd-> actually wait i do, but was in a different file
[14:42:28] <icebox> bd-: var routing = RouterModule.forRoot(routes); // then you pass routing to the module definition
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[14:43:13] <Elarcis> humming David Bowie to myself since wednesday
[14:43:17] <petzup> how would i get to selected all values from select? http://pastebin.com/QvfxmF6m
[14:43:35] <petzup> i alway get the selst one from select not the whole
[14:43:39] <petzup> last*
[14:43:57] <Elarcis> it's starting to get annoying
[14:43:58] <Elarcis> "David Bowie, David Bowie, David Bowie, David Bowie, David Bowie..."
[14:44:37] <arlekin> Elarcis: LEEEEEROY JENKINS!
[14:44:48] <Elarcis> wait what
[14:45:26] <arlekin> Elarcis: srsly ? thats like the famousest meme from gaming
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[14:45:46] <arlekin> and yes, i know there is no such word, except now there is
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[14:46:45] <Elarcis> arlekin: yes it is
[14:46:58] <Elarcis> arlekin: but I don't get the context
[14:47:00] <arlekin> Elarcis: tried to help you brah
[14:47:49] <Elarcis> I often do reverse-leeroy-jenkins in overwatch, that being said
[14:48:02] <umdstu> so i’m using this, https://codyhouse.co/demo/breadcrumbs-multi-steps-indicator/index.html#8 , and the ::before element on the li>a element doesn’t turn green when I use with angular. if i apply the ‘visited’ classes manually in the browser, the pseudos apply correctly
[14:48:12] <arlekin> sniknej yoreel ?
[14:48:23] <Elarcis> rushing the whole map to aggro the ennemy team, while the rest of my team is /supposed/ to progress to the now-deserted point
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[14:48:46] <Elarcis> more often than not they just focus on a small annoying tracer and don't move a bit
[14:48:50] <umdstu> but if i hover over that li>a the ::before style is suddenly applied
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[14:49:26] <arlekin> Elarcis: im glad you are somehow capitalizing on your being annoying :P
[14:49:50] <icebox> bd-: wow... with rc.5 it works :)
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[14:50:20] <icebox> bd-: I downgrade the entire stack rc.5... rx beta.5 and router rc.1
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[14:50:33] <cxz> i found that ui-utils is deprecated. is there a reason for that? where can i find the ui-keypress directive?
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[14:51:34] <lmatteis_> hi guys, what are the pros/cons of using scope's emit/broadcast between several directives to communicate? using angular 1.3.13
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[14:52:13] <arlekin> lmatteis_: i want to beat icebox to it: use services
[14:52:21] <arlekin> and dont brake reference
[14:52:24] <arlekin> *brake
[14:52:29] <arlekin> **break
[14:52:32] <lmatteis_> i'm just trying to understand the reasons though
[14:52:35] <Elarcis> lmatteis_: cons is that they're the devil's work, pros is that you get a nicely heated underground appartment for all of eternity once you die
[14:52:44] <arlekin> ^
[14:52:45] <lmatteis_> haha
[14:52:47] <lmatteis_> but why
[14:52:47] <arlekin> what he said
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[14:53:02] <arlekin> lmatteis_: it becomes pretty awful to manage pretty fast
[14:53:04] <lmatteis_> more concrete answers i can copy/paste my colleague about?
[14:53:08] <Elarcis> lmatteis_: basically, they are events that happen within a $digest
[14:53:21] <lmatteis_> but conceptually, why's it bad?
[14:53:22] <arlekin> although there are some ways to manage it
[14:53:24] <Elarcis> lmatteis_: so you get the same pro/cons than with standard events
[14:53:51] <arlekin> lmatteis_: long story short - its bad, because there are better ways
[14:53:54] <Elarcis> lmatteis_: I prefer to use directives though, because you get a clear, written and stacktraceable view of who calls who
[14:54:10] <arlekin> Elarcis: i think we aint helping the guy all that much
[14:54:32] <Elarcis> lmatteis_: I'm having huge issues in my code with events, because I have no control over the execution order, lots of side-effects due to events propagating through elements that catch them but shouldn't, etc.
[14:55:17] <Elarcis> lmatteis_: basically, with events, it's like radio. You send a radio signal, and EVERYONE can catch it and do whatever they want with it, be it their concern or not
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[14:55:24] <lmatteis_> so instead of events? pass callbacks as arguments to directives?
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[14:55:44] <lmatteis_> i thought events were cool
[14:55:45] <Elarcis> lmatteis_: directives parameters are like letters. You send them to someone you know, because the letter's content only concerns them
[14:55:56] <Elarcis> lmatteis_: well radio is cool
[14:56:30] <Elarcis> lmatteis_: but do you want everybody to hear your sexts with your GF?
[14:57:15] <Elarcis> lmatteis_: it is a matter of need, I guess
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[15:01:03] <lmatteis_> i'm not gonna convince my boss with this :(
[15:01:19] <Elarcis> lmatteis_: from a coder standpoint, and imho, events blur the connection between pieces of code, and make it less easy to read the code and maintain it
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[15:02:27] <lmatteis_> but event programming is a corner-stone of UI deveopment
[15:02:44] <bd-> > If 'md-list-item' is a Web Component then add "CUSTOM_ELEMENTS_SCHEMA" to the ' at NgModule dot schema' of this component to suppress this message.
[15:02:47] <Elarcis> lmatteis_: so basically all is fine until the day you get an issue, and from then it's all wibly-fixing, more and more events, conditions inside events processing to avoid bugs, and you get stuck with something that's not easily-maintainable nor testable
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[15:02:53] <bd-> what does this actually mean... the docs for CUSTOM_ELEMENTS_SCHEMA tell me nothing
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[15:03:21] <bd-> and no mention of schema on the @NgModule docs page
[15:03:29] <Elarcis> lmatteis_: event-based programming is only a corner-stone of low level UI workings. You only use events because you want to detect a click on a button
[15:04:01] <Elarcis> lmatteis_: but you don't use events to make a call to the database
[15:04:16] <Elarcis> lmatteis_: you can use events to notify your UI of a property change, but guess what, angularjs bindings take care of that
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[15:05:04] <lmatteis_> there are many DB interfaces which are Event Emitters...
[15:05:34] <Elarcis> lmatteis_: events should be strictly limited to their scope, but $broadcast and $emit are not...
[15:05:54] <lmatteis_> so the problem is that they traverse the whole tree?
[15:05:57] <Elarcis> lmatteis_: yes, but you subscribe to these events, unless I missed a step
[15:06:18] <Elarcis> well wrong argument
[15:06:21] <Elarcis> *wait
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[15:06:46] <icebox> bd-: missing some dep in "imports"
[15:06:59] <Elarcis> lmatteis_: I was gonna say: you often call your class with a onBlabla += yourCallback
[15:07:19] <Elarcis> lmatteis_: here you just say 'ok, everytime an event called 'Blabla' passes, I want to run that callback
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[15:07:27] <bd-> nah, it's imported and ehh imported, worked fine in rc5
[15:07:43] <Elarcis> lmatteis_: so it's not really the same clear behavior
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[15:08:01] <bd-> but i'm more wondering about the custom elements schema stuff, doesn't seem well documented
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[15:08:31] <icebox> bd-: on my side I think I need to open an issue... with ng2 rc.5 (rx beta.6) and router 3.0.0.rc.1 works... with ng2 rc.6 (rx beta.11) and router 3.0.0.rc.2 doesn't work
[15:08:56] <lmatteis_> Elarcis: hrm ok
[15:09:00] <bd-> funny, i'm trying to get it to ignore that material2 template error so i can see if the router works
[15:09:11] <bd-> but this custom schema stuff doesn't seem to work either
[15:09:12] <Elarcis> lmatteis_: in usual cases you go fetch your event. ng-click="blabla()", it's clear, you bind your event to THIS element, nothing else. to register a callback to something, you do MyService.registerBlabla(myCallback), or whatever, so you basically have a scope for that event
[15:09:58] <Elarcis> lmatteis_: here events go here and there, going up and down the DOM, and it presents a slipery slope where you're likely to have to do a global search on your event's code name to see what emitted it
[15:10:39] <icebox> bd-: digging in the changelogs and breaking changes, but nothing interesting... I vote for https://github.com/angular/angular/commit/174c016 because the error is related to the promise...  zone.min.js:1 Unhandled Promise rejection: Cannot read property 'call' of undefined ; Zone: angular ; Task: Promise.then ; Value: TypeError: Cannot read property 'call' of undefined(…) TypeError: Cannot read property 'call' of undefined
[15:10:43] <Elarcis> lmatteis_: basically, and still to my opinion, events already go up and down your DOM. but they're supposed to be wrapped by angularjs so you don't have to worry about them
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[15:11:37] <icebox> lmatteis_: generally speaking, Emitter vs. Promise pattern http://plnkr.co/edit/YEdUxkWPRwLCCfygFlnI?p=preview
[15:11:37] <bd-> tbh, pretty much every error in ng2 is some useless promise/zone type error
[15:11:42] <Elarcis> lmatteis_: in this project, my predecessor used A LOT of events, and it's basically DOM components playing ping-pong with each other, and it's absolute hell to debug
[15:11:51] <icebox> bd-: agreed
[15:12:00] <Elarcis> bd-: agreed, for once
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[15:12:53] <icebox> bd-: at least porting from router-deprecated to router, the app code works  :)
[15:13:14] <icebox> bd-: using the previous release (rc.5) :)
[15:14:43] <bd-> i mind watching a talk from ng-conf about zones a couple of years ago and they were show to give much better error reporting and stack traces
[15:15:50] <icebox> bd-: same thoughts here
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[15:23:15] <icebox> off... bye
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[15:40:24] <Elarcis> adios!
[15:40:31] <Elarcis> ah they left already
[15:40:32] <Elarcis> dnzjhjk
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[15:41:52] <ngWalrus> :(
[15:41:59] <ngWalrus> 19 more minutes until weekend
[15:42:17] <ngWalrus> the question is can I get this feature done on time
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[15:45:34] <Pyrrhus666> if ´on time´ means ´in 15 minutes´ I´d give up and go home for te weekend...
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[15:47:21] <ngWalrus> nah man
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[15:47:41] <ngWalrus> won't do a release for obvious reasons
[15:47:50] <ngWalrus> but I think I can get this done in 10 minutes
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[15:48:44] <Pyrrhus666> doing a release on friday, 5 minutes before leaving... the stupidest thing to do (and yes, we´ve done it...) :)
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[15:51:06] <Kell> heyho
[15:51:46] <Pyrrhus666> it´s off to work we go ?
[15:51:54] <Kell> ;)
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[15:52:17] <Kell> are some angular pros here?Or only people wanting help like me..?:D
[15:52:41] <Pyrrhus666> just pose your question, see if somebody responds ;)
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[15:55:00] <Elarcis> Kell: technically we are mostly pros
[15:55:11] <Kell> So, i have an  table  populated over ng-repeat and use ui-sortable to drag and drop rows. On drop event i update my List object with the new Order position but the view isnt updated. So i realized i need to use $scope.$apply() to update the view. The problem is now $scope.$apply() works only when i call it in drop() event which leads to load issues when having many data. How can i update teh view outside the event,so i dont have load
[15:55:12] <Elarcis> Kell: but we're way less experts
[15:55:37] <Kell> https://plnkr.co/edit/HIh0pnBBjLMzErHzKAd9 example
[15:56:10] <Kell> so in teh end, i dont want to use $scope.$apply everytime i drop the row, only when  clicking button when finish reoedering.
[15:56:11] <Elarcis> oh my, you're a unicorn <3
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[15:58:01] <Kell> i tried to descripe my problem already on stackoverflow: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/39286974/angularjs-ngtable-ui-sortable-wrong-order-displayed-after-reload Edit is last info in that
[15:58:53] <Kell> i just dont understand why $scope.apply() in drop Event works, but  on other position in code not
[15:58:59] <Kell> although its teh same scope
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[16:00:01] <Elarcis> Kell: I don't see where you set your drop callback
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[16:00:33] <Kell> its stop: in  $scope.sortableOptions = {                 stop: function () {
[16:00:47] <Kell> the function is called everytime item is dropped
[16:01:36] <Kell> in line 89 of script.js i assigning the new Order to teh object
[16:01:37] <Elarcis> Kell well the main issue is that it looks like sort is indeed executed outside of the $digest loop
[16:02:13] <Elarcis> Kell: which means that you'll have to call $apply() at the end for angular to notice the changes
[16:02:16] <Kell> yeah so i come to this with $scope.$apply()..if its at teh end of stop() everything works fine
[16:02:28] <Kell> but i dont want to do apply on every drop:(
[16:02:49] <Elarcis> Kell: are there frequent drops?
[16:03:11] <Kell> sorry i dont udnerstand. what exactly do you mean?
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[16:03:16] <Kell> understand
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[16:04:51] <Kell> in the end i have a list , a button with starts the "editing mode to reorder" and after reordering i would like a button to update the view
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[16:05:12] <Kell> when accessing teh data, its all correct only this view problem
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[16:10:48] <Pyrrhus666> Kell: so this is only a performance issue ? can´t you simply do the $scope.$apply() on your button press then ?
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[16:11:13] <Kell> yeah thats the problem. when i do it then it doesnt work
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[16:12:13] <Pyrrhus666> it sounds like a very weird user-experience to not update the view on every drop though...
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[16:13:20] <Kell> i updated my plunker: https://plnkr.co/edit/HIh0pnBBjLMzErHzKAd9 with apply() on button click. When you rorder the rows 1 to 4 5 to 2 1 to 8 3 to 1 2 to 6, and hit the button you will see, that the order is wrong
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[16:13:51] <Kell> if the apply is in stop() everything is correct
[16:14:15] <Kell> and thats why im frustrated now..:D
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[16:15:27] <Pyrrhus666> so how long would a table be in a real world scenario ?
[16:16:17] <Kell> well i have to say its no really build clean..so with about 200 rows every apply takes, 3-5 secs :(
[16:16:36] <Kell> in the scope
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[16:18:24] <Kell> i thought because its teh same scope, and data in the scope is correct, i can easily call apply() on button click
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[16:19:10] <Pyrrhus666> I asked because with long tables dragging and dropping just sounds like something I wouldn´t do to a user, even without your current issue. I´d look for a different solution...
[16:19:21] <Pyrrhus666> but I don´t knw your usecase for this.
[16:19:27] <Elarcis> Kell: sorry for the delai, am late in my work
[16:20:00] <Elarcis> Kell: well my point is that you're going to have to do a $digest at some point, because that's how changes are detected and propagated to the view
[16:20:00] <Pyrrhus666> and honestly, I have very bad experiences with doing _anything_ in angular that requires $scope.$apply()...
[16:20:11] <Elarcis> Kell: unless you have something like 500 elements, you should be fine
[16:20:28] <Pyrrhus666> but hopefully Elarcis can shine another light on this ;)
[16:20:43] <Elarcis> Kell: another solution is to find an angular lib that wraps sortable.js nicely
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[16:21:36] <Elarcis> 3 to 5 seconds of $digest is /not/ okay indeed
[16:21:47] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis: don´t you think doing d&d on a table with 500 items is really bad UX ?
[16:21:51] <Elarcis> so you might be interested in this... BAM! https://github.com/angular-ui/ui-sortable
[16:22:19] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: not necessarily if the d&d is localized, like a few elements at a time
[16:22:41] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: but yes, if it means the user could want to d&d through 200 elements, that's definitely an ergonomic problem
[16:22:51] <Pyrrhus666> hmm, yeah, true.
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[16:23:10] <Pyrrhus666> scrolling in combo with d&d is the worst UX ever, imho.
[16:23:33] <Elarcis> so Kell, I suggest you try angular-ui's ui-sortable, because it might be an almost-ideal implementation of sortable into angularjs
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[16:24:20] <Elarcis> Kell: which is exactly what you need/want, at least to make it work. optimization might be needed in any case, possibly through the use of one-time bindings
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[16:26:26] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: <select name="birthYear"><option>1900</option><option>1901</option><option>1902</option><option>1903</option>...<option>2004</option></select>
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[16:26:51] <Pyrrhus666> http://codepen.io/anon/pen/kkaJLE
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[16:27:14] <Pyrrhus666> performance seems fine. but the UX is horrible with scrolling imho.
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[16:27:41] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis: you´re kidding, right ?
[16:27:41] <Kell> thanks guys for info
[16:27:55] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: heh, I wish I was
[16:28:07] <Kell> @ Elarcis i already use https://github.com/angular-ui/ui-sortable
[16:28:11] <Kell> :D
[16:28:14] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: your example is nice, but please mind that it probably has only one binding
[16:28:28] <Elarcis> wait what
[16:28:52] <Elarcis> holy hell
[16:29:06] <Elarcis> I am this dense
[16:29:06] <Pyrrhus666> Elarcis: it´s just the ui-sortable demo but with a lot of items. I did nothing but change one number.
[16:29:24] <Elarcis> http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/013/005/3mLydMU.png
[16:29:51] <Pyrrhus666> it´s friday, if that´s an excuse ?
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[16:30:23] <Elarcis> HA!
[16:30:30] <Elarcis> Kell: you're not using ng-sortable in the code I have
[16:30:47] <Elarcis> Kell: you're just using the jQuery implementation and shortcutting ng-shortable
[16:31:16] <Pyrrhus666> your scottish accent is showing ;)
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[16:31:35] <Elarcis> >:c
[16:32:29] <Kell> mh? i use the ui-sortable lib with the stop() function
[16:32:42] <Kell> or am i totally confused?
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[16:33:34] <Kell> ah you mean now ng-sortable. because before you said ui-sortable
[16:33:57] <Elarcis> gfd;:,hgfkgbfdjngl
[16:33:59] <Kell> you mean i should use this https://github.com/a5hik/ng-sortable, right?
[16:34:10] <Elarcis> no, I meant the ui-sortable you have
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[16:34:29] <Elarcis> you're working with this code, right? https://plnkr.co/edit/HIh0pnBBjLMzErHzKAd9
[16:35:17] <Kell> yep
[16:35:26] <Kell> ok than im confused..:( sorry
[16:35:44] <Elarcis> Well you're definitely not using ui-sortable, because 1. there's no ui-sortable in your index.html, which is the way you invoke the directive
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[16:36:01] <Elarcis> 2. you're using jQuery selectors to apply the 'native' sortable to your array
[16:36:36] <Kell> holy shit...really?  than i can  go and  talk with my colleggue who set this up initially..:D
[16:36:45] <Elarcis> basically, you have a bicycle, but you're only moving because you're next to it, pushing it
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[16:36:55] <Elarcis> Kell: yep, it is time for some percussive maintenance
[16:37:10] <Kell> and i wondered where teh hell went ui-sortable
[16:37:23] <Kell> opnly saw $("#sortable").sortable({... but you are right, thats jquery stuff...-.-
[16:37:29] <Elarcis> Kell: I suggest you restore your whole component into an acceptable state, following the tutorial on the README.md https://github.com/angular-ui/ui-sortable
[16:37:42] <Kell> never cared about it because didnt thought thats it makes a difference
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[16:37:55] <Kell> haha, well god
[16:37:57] <Kell> thank you
[16:38:05] <Kell> thats dumb...:D
[16:38:05] <Elarcis> Kell: I'd also STRONGLY recommend against calling scopes with jQuery selectors, because it's pure atrocious hellish angular-raping code :D
[16:38:17] <Elarcis> Kell: heheh
[16:38:27] <Kell> using angular lib but implement it wrong...-.-
[16:38:47] <Elarcis> Kell: basically, in angularjs 1.x, only stuff that runs inside the $digest loop gets refreshed in the view, but other libs events are outside of it
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[16:39:45] <orfeo> Hello folks!
[16:39:46] <Elarcis> Kell: also, most of the time, you need to wrap your live inside an angularjs component so you can use it nicely with angularjs, not because angularjs is badly coded, but because it imposes its point of view on how an app should be architectured
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[16:39:55] <Elarcis> *lib, not live
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[16:40:27] <Elarcis> hi orfeo
[16:40:28] <Kell> om man,  its funny how i didnt realized thats its jquery usage..xD
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[16:40:38] <Kell> thank you very much
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[16:40:46] <Elarcis> I like these moments where there is something absolutely dumb, but it's not your fault
[16:40:54] <Elarcis> like it's time to grab pop-corn!
[16:40:58] <Kell> my fault i didnt saw it...xD
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[16:41:16] <orfeo> I have a long FAQ page to build and I need to automate it reading the information from a data file (or perhaps a database) and generate the HTML structure for that. I wonder if angular is what I am looking forward. Could someone help me please?
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[16:41:23] <Kell> ok i will edit my stuff. see you later.
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[16:41:47] <Elarcis> Kell: show the culprit this pic: http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/013/005/3mLydMU.png
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[16:42:16] <uru> orfeo: Angular runs in the browser, so depending on how you provide the data, yes and no. For a simple FAQ page you'd be better off having something server side rendering a static page
[16:42:20] <Elarcis> orfeo: it could be what you need, but it seems like a bit of overkill if the FAQ isn't interactive
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[16:43:08] <Kell> haha. will do it Elarcis
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[16:43:27] <Kell> god, i know why i like irc...:D
[16:43:36] <Kell> its the sunny side
[16:44:05] <orfeo> What do you sugest me to use then?
[16:44:10] <Elarcis> yeah, we're nice people
[16:44:12] <Elarcis> most of the time
[16:44:19] <Elarcis> orfeo: depends on the tech you already have
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[16:44:38] <Elarcis> orfeo: probably, the server tech you have currently can manage it
[16:44:40] <Elarcis> whatever it is
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[16:44:55] <orfeo> Elarcis: I know some PHP, learning JS, and want to invest this semester on Python :D
[16:45:11] <Elarcis> orfeo: but is that FAQ page a standalone website?
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[16:45:36] <orfeo> Elarcis: what do you mean by standalone website?
[16:45:38] <Elarcis> orfeo: do you intend to later extend it to a client-side app? what's the end goal?
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[16:46:04] <Elarcis> orfeo: well is there only a FAQ on the whole website? is a website already existing or is the FAQ the first thing that'll be released?
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[16:46:40] <Pyrrhus666> also : does it need to be dynamically generated at all ? what´s wrong with a large(ish) html file ?
[16:46:44] <orfeo> Elarcis: this FAQ will be launched with the website itself, but it tens to be a fix amount of questions.
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[16:47:11] <Elarcis> orfeo: in which language is the website developped? static html? PHP? other?
[16:47:13] <Pyrrhus666> how often does the content change, if at all ?
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[16:47:21] <orfeo> Pyrrhus666: well, if you get 100 questions it can get ugly to manage.
[16:47:32] <Elarcis> Pyrrhus666: well it's always nice to refactor repetitive content, which a FAQ is
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[16:48:06] <orfeo> Elarcis: it has a few JS scripts, some PHP for contact, but mostly plain HTML
[16:48:37] <Pyrrhus666> you´re both right, but if this is a one-off thing, I´d go with static file. like, kiss, you know ;)
[16:48:48] <uru> orfeo: Sounds like you'd be better off breaking up the FAQ in to smaller groups of related questions and/or using something like an accordian setup or basic anchors to aide navigation
[16:48:55] <Elarcis> then generate the FAQ page using PHP, and store your questions in a format like either Markdown, or JSON :D
[16:49:24] <Pyrrhus666> or html :P
[16:49:27] <orfeo> uru: actually I am using bootstrap accordion into it
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[16:51:14] <orfeo> Elarcis: alright. Going to start build it.
[16:51:21] <orfeo> Thank you all guys!
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[16:56:02] <Pyrrhus666> have a good weekend peeps, I´m off !
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[16:58:28] <Kell> @Elarcis, haha man you saved my weekend..:D
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[16:58:48] <Kell> just updated it locally to ui.sortable usage...and its works without issues
[16:59:07] <Kell> now will ry to implement it in the real project...:D
[16:59:13] <Kell> try
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[17:00:32] <Elarcis> Kell: good luck!
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[17:10:36] <Elarcis> les menus déroulants, c'est un petit peu chiant ♪♫
[17:11:16] <Elarcis> les boutons radio, c'est bien plus rigolo ♪♫
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[17:11:40] <Kell> damn it. in real project i have the loading issue, same as when useing apply() in stop
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[17:15:36] <Elarcis> Kell: maybe in the real projet, you're making an AJAX request on drop
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[17:17:21] <Kell> unfortunatly no, only so saving into teh local storage
[17:17:27] <Kell> *some
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[17:18:42] <Kell> but from what i understand there should be no apply() stuff going on with every drop
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[17:19:07] <Kell> "Any model changes that happen inside the available callbacks, are applied right after the stop event. We are not wrapping callbacks like start/change/... with $apply, in order to minimize the number of digest loops and avoid possible modifications of the model (eg: by watchers) before the drop takes place."
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[17:19:52] <Kell> hmmm but ui-sortable depends on jquery ui sortable...so isnt there also out of the directive?
[17:20:05] <Kell> which leads to apply() as before?
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[17:24:18] <Kell> can i use some function call to avoid this apply() call?
[17:25:05] <Kell> damn i thought  its solved now...:(
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[17:27:14] <Kell> ok. time to go home....-.- thanks for help
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[17:34:57] <Elarcis> time to go!
[17:34:59] <Elarcis> have fun!
[17:34:59] <quansai> Hey, guys/gals
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[17:35:23] <quansai> How do I handle a missing arg in a custom angular filter?
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[17:35:48] <quansai> Let's say I have <p>{{ "foobar" | myFilter::"baz" }}</p>
[17:35:58] <quansai> Where arg1 is missing and arg2 is defined.
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[17:37:53] <uru> quansai: Just define them line "myFun( arg1: string, arg2?:string)" then check if arg2 is set before trying to use it.
[17:38:59] <quansai> uru But how do I then use that to my advantage in the template?
[17:39:32] <uru> Uh, which version of angular for a start?
[17:39:43] <quansai> uru 1.3.x
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[17:40:11] <uru> ah, I know only v2. But if your function can handle the second parameter being undefined I would think there's nothing more you need to do.
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[19:00:01] <andrei89> hello , i have a question
[19:00:20] <andrei89> i'm writing some unit tests using angular2 and i have some hard time mocking an inner component using testbed
[19:00:30] <andrei89> and i cannot find some very good references
[19:00:46] <andrei89> how do you mock an inner component
[19:00:56] <icfantv> andrei89: take a look at our ng-bootstrap project on GH.  it's the ng2 port of angular UIBS
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[19:01:09] <icfantv> https://ng-bootstrap.github.io/#/home
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[19:02:19] <andrei89> cool, let me have a look
[19:02:20] <andrei89> thank you
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[19:04:43] <andrei89> @icfantv i see that the only thing which is overrided is the template
[19:04:55] <andrei89> can i also ovveride the whole component ?
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[19:04:58] <andrei89> *override
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[19:36:06] <jpstone> so ANY expect() I put in a $q promise testing angular 1 service passes
[19:36:13] <jpstone> even if i intentionally try to make it fail
[19:36:14] <jpstone> wtf?
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[19:45:11] <zomg> jpstone: async
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[19:45:41] <zomg> tests by default are synchronous, so any error that occurs after async code, such as promises, gets ignored
[19:46:06] <zomg> if you're using Mocha, you can try returning the promise, as mocha has builtin promise support
[19:46:17] <zomg> but I'm not sure if angular's $q is compatible with that
[19:46:17] <jpstone> using karma
[19:46:39] <zomg> if not, or not using mocha, you need to pass in a done callback for the test function and call done() once the test has finished (eg. in your callback for the promise)
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[19:47:14] <zomg> karma only runs test tools, you're probably using either jasmine or mocha
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[19:48:11] <zomg> it('tests something', function(done) { aPromise.then(function() { expect(null).to.be.true; done(); }); })
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[19:48:22] <zomg> this should work both with jasmine and mocha
[19:48:32] <zomg> passing a param like that makes the test asynchronous
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[19:48:46] <jpstone> thanks zomg
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[20:13:19] <da_wunder> hmm anyone using babel with ng1 ?
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[20:17:37] <mota_57> Hey why people use webpack with angular ? does angular solve that problem with dependecy injection or webpack is more than that??
[20:18:54] <da_wunder> currently working with webpack+babel+angular (ng1) seed
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[20:19:36] <mota_57> ok but tell me your opinion long story short
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[20:20:39] <mota_57> or show me an example if you have.
[20:20:40] <da_wunder> not sure about webpack vs gulp, but this seems like very nice setup
[20:21:05] <da_wunder> sure https://github.com/tarlepp/angular-material-webpack-seed
[20:21:31] <seeeb> hi guys, I have a directive that receives a property in the scope with =. During initialization I don't have access to it, so how can I execute some code that depends on that?
[20:22:14] <seeeb> I mean I have to initialize something based on having that property but I don't see how to get a callback after that happens. Any clue?
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[20:23:34] <Docmarten> hola all
[20:23:46] <mota_57> do you mean do you have something like this : <your-directive property1="method(callBack())"
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[20:24:00] <mota_57> ?
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[20:24:12] <mota_57> hola hi
[20:24:16] <seeeb> I'll show you a gist...
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[20:24:28] <mota_57> ok'
[20:25:28] <Docmarten> does Angulars $interval function, once intiated within controller A, continue to run even if the user has moved onto another page that uses a controller B?
[20:26:10] <mota_57> wow I will test that myself docmarten xD good question I guess
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[20:28:23] <zomg> Docmarten: unless you remove the interval, yes
[20:28:35] <zomg> Docmarten: $interval is basically a wrapper for setInterval
[20:28:40] <Docmarten> I need to run a timer in a specific controller (PageA.html) that applies to all the data in that controllers page view.  I need to continue to track that timer no matter where the user navigates to.  When the user navigates back to PageA.html the data needs to refresh assuming the timer value has expired.
[20:28:59] <zomg> ah
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[20:29:06] <zomg> if there's a full page load, then no.
[20:29:16] <zomg> a page load always clears the whole JS runtime and everything is thrown away
[20:29:54] <seeeb> mota_57: line 30 can't perform because .category is set at a later stage and during initialization is undefined dependantThings
[20:29:55] <zomg> but you could just re-initialize the timer when the page loads anyway
[20:30:00] <seeeb> https://gist.github.com/sebastianconcept/8a39f3a51192f2860dd6c37e64f0c3f6#file-gistfile1-txt-L30
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[20:30:31] <Docmarten> ah...ok...then I need to run a timestamp comparrison for when they navigate away and come back again...AND I need to run an inpage/view timer if they stay on the same view for longer than X seconds.  My timer or update...for either method...will be 30 seconds.
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[20:31:34] <zomg> yep something like that should work
[20:31:54] <zomg> save a timestamp on each execution of the interval function so you can always come back later
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[20:32:59] <Docmarten> yup...timestamp comparrisons for navigation.  And execute $interval for when user stays on same page.  Covers both scenarios.
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[20:33:07] <Docmarten> cool.  Thanks zomg
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[20:35:51] <mota_57> ok in case for the line 30 you have to use $scope.$watch("self.category.id", newValue, oldValue){  self.dependantThings = queryStuffBasedOnTheCategory(newValue) }
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[20:36:18] <mota_57> here is an example how to $watch variable with controllerAS http://www.bennadel.com/blog/2852-understanding-how-to-use-scope-watch-with-controller-as-in-angularjs.htm
[20:36:37] <mota_57> and the second part is that you want to execute the call onSuccess right?
[20:37:02] <seeeb> yeah but the onSuccess and onCancel work fine
[20:37:11] <mota_57> ok
[20:38:33] <mota_57> well you can copy and replace the code that I just send it let me know if it works
[20:39:01] <mota_57> if not sorry xD
[20:42:56] <mota_57> it works seeeb?
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[20:43:22] <seeeb> checking that
[20:44:09] <seeeb> good idea about observing.. let me see
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[20:49:43] <seeeb> still undefined, investigating..
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[20:51:34] <mota_57> .....
[20:51:40] <mota_57> welll
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[20:54:58] <keemyb> seeeb, instead of "self.category.id", you want "category.id" or function() {return category.id}
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[20:55:24] <keemyb> as self is only referenced in the controller, and not bound to the scope
[20:55:54] <seeeb> now I got something !
[20:56:30] <seeeb> I needed to observe using a specified controller alias otherwise it can't react properly
[20:57:02] <seeeb> thanks a lot mota.. oh left
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[20:58:04] <seeeb> I'm oberving on 'aliasname.category'  and then use the rest inside the method. Thanks keemyb
[20:58:20] <seeeb> I'm unstuck now, feels great ;D
[20:58:34] <keemyb> seeeb, np, I made a typo on the fn body anyway, happing nging
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[21:13:37] <keemyb> jpstone, regarding testing w/ promises, if you import $rootScope and then create a new scope "var scope = $rootScope.$new();" you can "scope.$apply();" after which promises will resolve/reject. Then you are back to writing synchronous tests. Will be usefull if you have to do multiple async assertions.
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[21:41:33] <ngbot> angular.js/master 87a2ff7 Peter Bacon Darwin: feat(ngModelOptions): allow options to be inherited from ancestor ngModelOptions...
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[21:53:08] <Docmarten> hmmmm...all my code works the way I want,  $scope.doRefresh = function() { ...do stuff...} works just fine.  But now I want to execute on its own so I am setting:  $interval($scope.doRefresh(),60000) ; to auto trigger every 60 seconds...but its not working.
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[21:55:43] <da_wunder> hmm anyone using babel with ng1 ?
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[21:58:31] <keemyb> Docmarten, $interval takes a function to evaluate every n ms, you are giving it whatever doRefresh returns. just remove the parens that are invoking doRefresh
[21:58:47] <keemyb>  $interval($scope.doRefresh,60000)
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[22:02:37] <Docmarten> ok...giving it a shot...I am calling the function as $scope.doRefresh() in other areas, so I thought it would be the same kind of function call.
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[22:05:58] <keemyb> Yes but think about it, imagine... "function func(){return 4}" var myFunc = func is different to var myNum = myFunc(); Get it? So unless doRefresh was to return a function (which would be the argument recieved by $interval), you would not get what you expect
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[22:06:20] <keemyb> Let me know if thats still unclear Docmarten
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[22:07:27] <keemyb> sorry, massive typo: "function func(){return 4;};" "var myFunc = func;" is different to "var myNum = func();"
[22:07:37] <Docmarten> nope...that worked.  why does $scope.doRefresh() work in other parts of the same controller, but not within $interval?  Removing the ()s worked.  But I removed the ()s on the other $scope.doRefesh calls those won't work.
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[22:11:02] <retrospectacus> upgrading to rc6 and getting this weird message in webpack output:
[22:11:04] <retrospectacus> WARNING in ./~/ at angular/compiler/bundles/compiler dot umd.js
[22:11:04] <retrospectacus> Cannot find SourceMap '...': Error: Cannot resolve 'file' or 'directory' ./... in /home/adama/dsops/client-api/node_modules/@angular/compiler/bundles
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[22:11:29] <retrospectacus> just a warning but then in browser; http://i.imgur.com/tFPWW2F.png
[22:11:33] <zomg> Docmarten: there is a difference between a function value and a function call
[22:11:50] <zomg> Docmarten: `myFunction` is a function. It can be used as a value, for example to pass it as a parameter
[22:12:04] <zomg> Docmarten: `myFunction()` is a *function call* which calls the function and returns a result
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[22:12:32] <keemyb> Docmarten, http://pastebin.com/e75UnkRA
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[22:13:50] <retrospectacus> it is putting typescript code in my JS bundle
[22:13:56] <Docmarten> oh duh...I wasn't thinking.  var x = function() {...}...versus function blah() { .. }
[22:15:10] <zomg> Docmarten: well var x = function and function x both behave similar in the respect that in both cases you'll have an identifier `x` which is a function
[22:15:47] <retrospectacus> functions are people too, man.
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[22:17:30] <dcholth> Question:  Is ng-strict-di supposed to cause the app to error out right away if a DI is missing/broken, or only at attempted execution?
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[22:19:41] <keemyb> dcholth, according to https://docs.angularjs.org/guide/di its when it is used. Best way to test is to temporarily remove it from a component/service on something and see :)
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[22:22:34] <Docmarten> zomg : keemyb - I got it working, but an interesting thing is occuring.  $interval($scope.doRefresh,60000) ; triggers every 60 seconds while on the same page view.  But if I navigate away to a different view (with different controller), 60 seconds later I see the doRefresh kick off again in the background.  THEN, when I navigate back to the same view a second $interval($scope.doRefresh,60000)
[22:22:34] <Docmarten> ; kicks off...then while on that same view, both $intervals are triggering, in this case the 2nd one about every 25 seconds after the first one.
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[22:23:16] <keemyb> Docmarten, You need to cancel it in the $onDestroy method
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[22:23:38] <keemyb> https://docs.angularjs.org/api/ng/service/$interval
[22:23:43] <zomg> or $scope.$on('$destroy', function...) because $onDestroy only works in components iirc
[22:24:04] <Docmarten> do I do that upon leaving the current view or on loading the new view?
[22:24:15] <keemyb> $interval returns a promise, so use that to cancel: $interval.cancel(promise)
[22:24:18] <keemyb> On leaving
[22:25:13] <keemyb> You always want to clean something up where it started, otherwise you are not seperating concerns
[22:25:24] <Docmarten> ok...thanks.  I wonder whats better.  Initiate the first $interval and set a var to track it...and let it keeping running in the background, then upon returning to the view if the var is set, then bypass triggering a 2nd $interval.
[22:25:26] <Docmarten> thoughts?
[22:25:59] <Docmarten> pros/cons?
[22:26:14] <keemyb> No, don't do any sharing state, let each view handle its own var, and cancel them appropriately in the same view
[22:26:21] <ASUchander1> If you want to share the state, use a service
[22:26:30] <keemyb> ^
[22:26:38] <ASUchander1> Otherwise, use a local var and then cancel on $destroy
[22:26:49] <Docmarten> ok...cool. thanks guys
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[22:30:31] <keemyb> retrospectacus, sorry I have no clue, maybe take a look at this similar issue: https://github.com/angular/angular/issues/9431
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[22:34:58] <retrospectacus> thanks for looking. I will check it out
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[22:48:43] <Docmarten> added this:  $scope.$on('$destroy', function() { console.log("Destroying"); $interval.cancel($scope.doRefresh) ; }
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[22:49:21] <Docmarten> I am seeing the "Destroying" message so I know its in the $destroy, but the $scope.doRefresh is still firing.
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[22:50:45] <keemyb> var promiseFromInterval = $interval(fn,ms);  $interval.cancel(promiseFromInterval)
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[22:51:14] <Docmarten> hmmmm...think i see the problem.
[22:51:16] <keemyb> You need to cancel the variable returned by $interval. But other than that looks good
[22:51:20] <Docmarten> yup...thats what I was about to do
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[23:00:54] <HS^> i dont understand if i should learn 2.* or 1.*
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[23:01:15] <icfantv> HS^: what type of project are you doing?
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[23:01:26] <icfantv> i would say both, with a heavy emphasis on ng2
[23:01:43] <icfantv> unless you're building an app from the ground up
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[23:02:52] <HS^> from ground up. im so confused with all the js frameworks though
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[23:03:28] <HS^> first of all i dont know if it makes sense these days, to make a restful service and then do all the rest in the client side/javascript
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[23:03:45] <HS^> im used to having monolythic web app, server side...
[23:03:58] <HS^> but i really like the idea of  having a testeable restful API
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[23:04:14] <icfantv> HS^: you're certainly not restricted to angular
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[23:04:53] <HS^> i mean isnt it much easier to just a server side scripting language
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[23:04:58] <da_wunder> HS^: didn't you ask that same question yesterday ?
[23:05:10] <HS^> yes im still researching this topic
[23:05:14] <icfantv> HS^: you're missing a verb in there - i;ve no idea what you're asking
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[23:06:20] <HS^> use*
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[23:07:06] <da_wunder> HS^: for frontend use the js/spa library that you know
[23:07:16] <da_wunder> so that you can _deliver_ your application
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[23:07:40] <da_wunder> and same for the backend
[23:07:49] <icfantv> HS^: use a server side scripting language for what, exactly?
[23:07:59] <icfantv> you should keep your front end and back ends completely separate
[23:08:22] <icfantv> your UI shouldn't care what your server is…..only that it exposes REST end points
[23:08:23] * da_wunder assuming that HS^ is separated his/hers back- and frontends totally
[23:08:29] <da_wunder> ^
[23:09:22] <HS^> ok so i what ive always done, is just use php that spits out some html and gets input through post and get, with a DB backend
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[23:09:38] <da_wunder> and that is _not_ totally separated...
[23:09:42] <HS^> right
[23:09:45] <HS^> used to do
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[23:10:19] <HS^> now id like to make a restful API, mainly because it can be tested automaticly for regressions and creates a very strict seperation
[23:10:24] <HS^> of logic and presentation
[23:10:52] <da_wunder> ok, so you want build restful API, then this channel is not for that question
[23:10:59] <da_wunder> because it's backend side
[23:10:59] <HS^> i kno
[23:11:19] <HS^> right i have no issues with the backend side. im not sure what technology to use for the frontend
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[23:11:42] <HS^> i could still get input through php and then pass it along to the restful service.. but wouldnt that be overkill
[23:11:51] <da_wunder> 00:07 < da_wunder> HS^: for frontend use the js/spa library that you know
[23:11:51] <icfantv> HS^: do you need a web site or a web application?
[23:12:24] <HS^> well, application but sometimes i dont know where the distinction is
[23:12:34] <da_wunder> HS^: and your backend is build with what?
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[23:12:51] <HS^> backend is java jersey
[23:13:22] <da_wunder> HS^: because i don't understand this "i could still get input through php and then pass it along to the restful service.. but wouldnt that be overkill"
[23:13:27] <da_wunder> whre do you need PHP ?
[23:13:29] <da_wunder> really
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[23:13:44] <icfantv> HS^: cnn is a website.  your bank is a web application
[23:13:46] <da_wunder> angular is just static html + js + css
[23:14:08] <icfantv> web applications *SHOULD* be SPAs
[23:14:21] <da_wunder> ^
[23:14:37] <HS^> ok but icfantv they still have things in common right.
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[23:16:25] <HS^> da_wunder i dont know? id like to keep it out..
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[23:16:58] <da_wunder> HS^: in your dev stage you have multiple files of your frontend app
[23:17:06] <keemyb> SPA as i understand it tries to replicate desktop experience, by reducing wait times between actions (i.e. no full page reload), and high interactivity. The cost is high initial startup time
[23:17:18] <da_wunder> and when you build it you only get compressed ones
[23:18:08] <da_wunder> HS^: eg. see http://wunder.sytes.net:3000/ and then see that sources at @github
[23:18:13] <keemyb> If all the views of your app are identical and have little interactivity then maybe server rendering is best. Arguably easy to develop, can sprinkle with js bits if necessary
[23:18:18] <da_wunder> there is a "bit" difference
[23:18:22] <HS^> so is SPA the main goal of angular and other js frameworks?
[23:18:23] <keemyb> *easier
[23:18:30] <keemyb> HS^, yes
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[23:20:12] <da_wunder> HS^: and that is pure frontend application, which just uses some backend
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[23:20:39] <HS^> when i think of javascript i think of fancy features like drag and drop and whatever else
[23:20:46] <da_wunder> HS^: you can also login in that if you like, just use admin / admin credentials :D
[23:21:08] <HS^> da_wunder ok
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[23:22:05] <HS^> da_wunder its a cool website, theres an error though
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[23:22:21] <da_wunder> yeah it seems like
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[23:22:33] <da_wunder> that is just something i'm dev atm
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[23:23:19] <HS^> da_wunder so what tech did you use?
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[23:23:30] <HS^> what am i looking at here?
[23:23:31] <da_wunder> aa, founded the problem
[23:23:40] <da_wunder> it should work now
[23:23:52] <da_wunder> HS^: just see the Github links in the footer
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[23:24:36] <da_wunder> HS^: if you open that github link, you get the all information that you need
[23:24:50] <HS^> ok.. but is this like a sample app or something
[23:25:04] <da_wunder> simple seed
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