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[00:13:54] <kevr> So
[00:14:32] <kevr> I have an element that uses some ng-controller called ElementController, and inside that element, there are things that ng-click to some of the controller's $scope methods.
[00:15:03] <kevr> Everything works fine @ vanilla, but if i decide to dynamically swap the contents of the element in question with a cloned version, ng-click doesn't rebind the new elements
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[00:15:09] <ngbot> angular.js/v1.5.x f6fa1e2 Jason Bedard: perf($compile): validate directive.restrict property on directive init...
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[00:15:17] <kevr> (using compile/digest)
[00:15:21] <kevr> any way to fix that?
[00:16:28] <kevr> just to clarify, one ng-click exists and works, then i swap that ng-click element with another ng-click element of the same exact name etc, but the new one isn't bound to the ng-click function
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[00:25:09] <CanyonMan> <div>{{ 1.2345 | number:1}}</div> Why doesn't this work? angular 2 ... it says: ORIGINAL EXCEPTION: TypeError: digits.match is not a function
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[00:28:36] <CanyonMan> oh I see, it takes a string now, not a number, as the parameter.
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[00:56:26] <loc22> Hi :)
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[00:57:35] <heartburn> hi
[00:57:37] <heartburn> :)))))))))
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[00:59:12] <loc22> heartburn : Is this the IRC channel of Angular 2?
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[01:05:08] <heartburn> loc22: well, there's an exodus to ##angular2 is going on, but failing miserably. might as well ask here.
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[01:06:32] <loc22> heartburn: I'm a Rails dev and wanting to explore Node world and also one single apps world too. Do you normally use angular in your projects?
[01:06:55] <heartburn> ng1, yes.
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[01:07:13] <heartburn> node and ruby doesn't have anything to do with angular though, just to clarify.
[01:07:58] <heartburn> node just has a nice infrastructure for developing frontend stuff.
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[01:09:29] <loc22> heartburn: Yep, I know. But Im exploring also the MEAN stack. Do you know when angular 2 will be launched? Do you recommend using angular 2 for productions app today?
[01:10:17] <heartburn> according to what fanbois say for the last couple years, it's almost there, just another week or two.
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[01:11:22] <heartburn> i personally don't see the point in switching to ng2, because it too much of a hassle to setup the project with diminishing returns. you can do everything that ng2 provides in ng1.
[01:11:30] <heartburn> but that's not a popular opinion.
[01:11:44] <heartburn> as for production, i'd wait until it releases finally.
[01:11:54] <heartburn> not a fan of half-baked stuff in production.
[01:12:21] <heartburn> s/provides/allows you to/
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[01:13:35] <loc22> heartburn: Yes, I see divided opinion on switching to ng2. But ng2 looks completly different from ng1. That's cool but not cool.
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[01:15:09] <AdStrange> Hi There!
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[01:15:52] <AdStrange> Today, Will I learn AngularJS or Angular 2?
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[01:16:57] <blizzzard> Anyone's worked with angular material virtual-repeat-lists?
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[01:17:36] <blizzzard> I get these off rows(2 in 60) while scrolling, which doesn't bind the output of a filter for example
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[01:18:31] <blizzzard> it's just these random rows which will return NaN for example {{ obj.seconds | duration}} - it works for all rows except a few random ones
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[01:24:03] <AdStrange> Will I learn AngularJS or Angular 2?
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[01:30:58] <davidw> <pos-neg [val]="store.balance"></pos-neg> - I'm trying to manipulate 'val' in my component, but it's not shown as set... when's that happen?
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[01:31:34] <loc22> AdStrange: Learn Angular 2
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[01:35:24] <AdStrange> Really loc22?
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[01:35:50] <AdStrange> Are you working with those technologies?
[01:37:30] <loc22> AdStrange: Nope, but as far as I can see everyone is moving in that way. Also Angular and Angular 2 are pretty different. There is no point to learn something that will be outdated
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[02:42:03] <xochilpili> hi all, how can i integrate a jquery plugin into a directive? i just doing this: angular.element(element).slimmenu({ ..options... }); but just do nothing
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[02:46:15] <heartburn> use the normal $ stuff inside the link function, $scope.$apply() on dom updates so angular can keep up.
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[03:12:35] <xochilpili> heartburn, i did that, but a lot of errors
[03:12:45] <xochilpili> scope.$apply();
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[03:26:06] <tyler> Is anyone here good at angular ui bootstrap?
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[04:30:21] <quansai> Anyone know the proper way to call methods/set vars upon the creation of a custom directive?
[04:30:54] <quansai> I'm thinking of writing a private (as private as can be in JS terms) method like init() and calling it in a controller.
[04:31:16] <quansai> So I build init(), which does what I want upon creation of the custom directive. Then, I call init().
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[06:39:01] <swag> if someone need a simple function to find a nested object that contains a key x and value y
[06:39:15] <swag> this function
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[06:59:45] <stormbytes> in 1.5 isn't ng-repeat (iterating over an object) supposed to sort by object-keys, starting with caps then lower case keys in alphabetical order?
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[07:12:14] <aaa> hi all
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[08:12:52] <keemyb> stormbytes, not sure of that garuntee. If the object isn't going to change, use Object.keys(obj) and then sort that how you wish.
[08:13:23] <stormbytes> i was curious about the defaults really
[08:13:29] <stormbytes> but thx
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[08:25:38] <Priya_> hi
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[08:26:17] <Priya_> I want to access a rest api using angular js
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[08:28:19] <Priya_> but its not working
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[09:06:29] <arlekin> hi guys
[09:06:38] <Limarson> morning :)
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[09:19:49] <arlekin> im pondering making a twitter account, thoughts ?
[09:20:44] <Pyrrhus666> arlekin: but why ?
[09:21:11] <arlekin> Pyrrhus666: seems like a good source of nice quotes and interesting blogposts
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[09:21:26] <arlekin> also it would seem to be good outlet to bitch about things
[09:22:59] <Pyrrhus666> well, there are some nice people to follow, true. bitching is also fine, just don´t expect too much interaction ;)
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[09:24:01] <Limarson> I don't understand twitter, you only get the same news you would get via rss feeds and you're not able to subscribe to hashtags so you don't get new input either
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[09:26:19] <Pyrrhus666> that first one isn´t true for me, the second one is true, but not really relevant for me.
[09:26:44] <Pyrrhus666> but I must say, twitters relevance has declined.
[09:27:24] <Limarson> I think it might've been great in the beginning when it wasn't a "Here's my new blogpost" platform :D
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[09:28:27] <arlekin> it seems i got interested "after it hit big"...
[09:28:39] <Limarson> But maybe I just don't get it as I said before^^
[09:28:58] <Limarson> arlekin: I like it to have live comments to topics
[09:29:51] <Limarson> arlekin: E.g. we had some rampage in munich and there was live comments on this on twitter which was much more accurate than the tv crap, because the police itself was twittering
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[09:30:14] <Preuk> Limarson: that's the main difference between someone lurking on a dev framework channel on IRC and someone whose cultural scope is only TV
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[09:34:48] <Limarson> Preuk: You mean, like internet affine people like to have different sources of information?
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[09:41:26] <Preuk> yes, and different tools
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[09:43:08] <Preuk> most of the "nerdy-hype-hyperconnected" people i know keep using the same lame social networks (on their brand new iThingy) and don't even imagine there can be anything else
[09:43:40] <Preuk> i feel people are less "internet-aware" today than 10 years ago, but that's my personnal view
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[09:46:02] <Pyrrhus666> Preuk: I feel that too. it´s not unlike the eternal september of 1993. people online now are of a different breed than those 10 or 15 years ago.
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[09:47:52] <Limarson> That's why pages like let me google that for you are more and more popular :D
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[09:49:25] <Pyrrhus666> that´s one of the differeing attitudes, yes ;)
[09:49:32] <Preuk> i'm too young for eternal september, but i remembre circa 2000 there was a clear distinction between "publish content" and "user-submitted content"
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[09:50:42] <Preuk> now having a low SNR is the norm
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[09:51:18] <Pyrrhus666> Preuk: the heyday of kuro5hin... may it rest in peace...
[09:51:35] <jamesyan> chose angular1 or angular2?
[09:51:41] <Preuk> </rant>
[09:51:52] <Pyrrhus666> jamesyan: depends. when do you need production ?
[09:52:18] <Pyrrhus666> if you need it this year, ng2 might not be a good idea ;)
[09:52:29] <jamesyan> think you
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[09:53:23] <jamesyan> ng2 how long can stable
[09:53:32] <uru> Pyrrhus666: Our dashboard SPA built on ng2 should be going in to beta around Christmas time ;)
[09:54:12] <uru> jamesyan: With rc5 it's looking pretty stable imo actually. rc6 will remove all the deprecated methods and I think from there they are looking to release. (correct me if I'm wrong)
[09:54:14] <Pyrrhus666> if I had to make that choice for production quality code now, I´d go with ng1.5, and make components of everything, preparing an upgrade path to ng2
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[09:55:26] <Pyrrhus666> uru: it´s certainly possible, but with support libs (angular-ui et. al.) still MIA, I wouldn´t choose it yet.
[09:55:29] <icebox> hey :)
[09:55:53] <jamesyan> ng2 advantages?
[09:56:08] <Pyrrhus666> welcome back icebox :)
[09:56:15] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: thanks :)
[09:56:21] <uru> Pyrrhus666: We rolled our own UI stuff as we use foundation, if I can find the time I'd like to clean it up and release an "ng2-foundation-ui" package sort of thing
[09:56:28] <Limarson> Hi icebox^^
[09:56:32] <uru> Heya, icebox
[09:56:35] <arlekin> icebox: and i just thought you went all ICEbox on us
[09:56:41] <icebox> arlekin: :P
[09:58:01] <icebox> it is tough to get again the pace :)
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[09:58:12] <xochilpili> hi all
[09:58:12] <arlekin> icebox: i know rite ?
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[09:59:24] <xochilpili> icebox, are u there?
[09:59:29] <icebox> xochilpili: yep
[09:59:58] <icebox> xochilpili: "there"... at home :) at least for another day
[10:00:18] <xochilpili> there's a div in that template, that i cant see
[10:00:33] <xochilpili> ng-scope or ng-view is hidding?
[10:01:11] <icebox> xochilpili: really I am here only to give regards to the channel users... :)
[10:02:14] <xochilpili> i have spent 3 hours in this fck sht
[10:02:15] <icebox> xochilpili: at the moment I am too lazy to give a look at it... sorry
[10:02:20] <xochilpili> i have css and stuff
[10:02:27] <xochilpili> i hate ^
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[10:17:38] <OnceMe> hello, what is the best way to access element inside of $scope?
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[10:22:57] <arlekin> OnceMe: element ?
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[10:24:15] <OnceMe> arlekin: what I am trying to do is that in controller, I have $http which is sending post method to the url, however, I want to get element with class "alert" and append new class to it: alert-success if $http returns success true, if not, append class alert-danger and remove class hide, so thats why I need to access element.
[10:24:30] <OnceMe> I tried to do this with custom directive, but since in controller I have $http, this is not possible
[10:24:38] <OnceMe> will the code help?
[10:25:13] <arlekin> OnceMe: code always helps but i feel like i know what you wanna do
[10:25:29] <OnceMe> ah ok, Ill let you finish, and if I dont get it, Ill paste it out :)
[10:25:30] <arlekin> so you want to change css classes on html element based on some value
[10:25:36] <OnceMe> correct
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[10:25:52] <arlekin> and we are talking ng1 ofc ?
[10:25:59] <OnceMe> yes 1.5.8
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[10:26:31] <arlekin> so there is this directive ng-class (check in docs) which basically allows to add some logic to setting classes on element
[10:26:46] <arlekin> it basically lets you bind class with some variable value
[10:27:08] <arlekin> and you can say "if this is true then put classA on this element, else put classB"
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[10:27:37] <OnceMe> ng-class? I tried to do it with expression but failed, I was thinking that I do straight from controller
[10:27:39] <arlekin> and then you change some variable based on your $http call result
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[10:28:03] <arlekin> OnceMe: well straight from the controller it would be possible but much harder
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[10:28:58] <arlekin> OnceMe: gimme a minute i will make a plunker explaining studd
[10:29:01] <arlekin> *stuff
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[10:30:40] <OnceMe> 15th line is not working
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[10:31:07] <OnceMe> also one more issues is that when I do /ajax/manage.php?someObj=key the $http sends GET method, instead of specified POST method
[10:31:18] <arlekin> OnceMe: well what you do is possible but its unnecessarily complex
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[10:31:36] <OnceMe> arlekin: can you show me both ways, mine and yours (which should be correct)?
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[10:31:50] <OnceMe> I'm coming from jQuery, so this is a bit confusing, as we used to access DOM alot
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[10:32:07] <OnceMe> I know that accessing elements directly in Angular is bad
[10:32:08] <arlekin> OnceMe: yup ppl constantly try to use angular like jquery
[10:32:18] <arlekin> OnceMe: and many actually dont like angular for not being jquery
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[10:32:40] <arlekin> let me explain it so maybe ill manage to save you some frustration in future
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[10:32:56] <OnceMe> ok
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[10:33:16] <arlekin> so in jquery you have an element, and you come at it kinda from the outside - you take it and slap your logic on it
[10:33:28] <arlekin> hence the habit of taking dom element and doing something with it
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[10:33:40] <arlekin> and thats fine, thats how browser works and how jquery wraps it
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[10:33:55] <arlekin> but with angular, there is actually directly opposite approach
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[10:34:36] <arlekin> instead of taking something and doing stuff with it, you come at it from the inside
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[10:34:47] <OnceMe> yeah with the $scope
[10:34:52] <arlekin> so say, if you want to make a todolist element
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[10:35:16] <arlekin> with jquery you would do something like: $('div.todo').makeTODO();
[10:35:42] <arlekin> and with angular you'd make a directive/component and just put it in your template like <todolist></todolist>
[10:35:58] <arlekin> the implementation details are not important here
[10:36:15] <OnceMe> but in directive I need to have $http right?
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[10:36:33] <arlekin> OnceMe: in its controller probably, but thats beside the point
[10:36:41] <OnceMe> I mean how would angular know what class to append, ah implementtion is not important
[10:36:42] <arlekin> OnceMe: anyway, back to your problem
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[10:37:13] <arlekin> im kinda trying not to infodump you right know, and solve the problem at hand
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[10:39:05] <OnceMe> ok, so basically Ill access the element via directive
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[10:39:19] <arlekin> w8 for the plunker it will be all clear in the minute
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[10:41:47] <arlekin> i made it so you can change class on clicking a button
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[10:42:08] <arlekin> but the rule here is you can make your css class dependant on some $scope variable
[10:42:21] <OnceMe> yeah but how can this depend on $http in controller?
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[10:42:29] <arlekin> same way
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[10:42:41] <arlekin> instead of changing value by button click
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[10:42:55] <arlekin> you change the value by getting response from http call
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[10:43:39] <arlekin> also there are shortcut methods for $http
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[10:43:50] <arlekin> (scroll down to shortcut methods)
[10:43:58] <OnceMe> yap I saw them before :)
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[10:44:12] <arlekin> OnceMe: here is a great article about using ng-class
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[10:44:52] <arlekin> actually its so good in exemplifying usages for that that i always look at it rather than documentation (which imho does poor job at showing actually what can be done)
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[10:45:46] <arlekin> OnceMe: so basically, as i did in the plnkr you can say "set this class if that value is true" and setting aforementioned value in the success callback of your $http call
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[10:46:12] <arlekin> and same for the class for the failure state
[10:47:14] <arlekin> OnceMe: is this clear now ? (doesnt have to be, im open to questions)
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[10:47:46] <OnceMe> arlekin: I think it is, Im trying something
[10:48:07] <arlekin> OnceMe: ok, shoot me with info how it went
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[10:48:49] <arlekin> i think that ng-class is perfect for your use-case, and also it will make your life much better to have a correct mental image about how angular works
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[10:51:41] <OnceMe> arlekin: this is what I have "<div class="alert hide" ng-class="{hide: !value, 'alert-success': value}">{{msg}}</div>"
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[10:53:13] <arlekin> OnceMe: not sure whether it will remove the class - you may need to remove 'hide' from class=""
[10:53:24] <OnceMe> yap I tried that too
[10:53:47] <arlekin> OnceMe: also hide should be in quotes
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[10:54:30] <arlekin> and then when value variable is true (namely $scope.value) it should add aler-success, and when its false it would add hide
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[10:55:01] <arlekin> now all that its left is setting default $scope.value value to false, and changing it to true on $http.success
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[10:57:48] <OnceMe> yeah I have small issue with hide
[10:57:50] <OnceMe> lemme debug
[10:57:57] <arlekin> OnceMe: sure
[10:59:14] <OnceMe> arlekin: hide class needs to be in there before calling controller, as I want to hide that class
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[11:00:35] <OnceMe> arlekin: Ive solved it with removing hide and alert from class and purely relying on angular
[11:00:51] <OnceMe> but on refresh, I see a quick {{msg}} which disappears
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[11:01:10] <OnceMe> thats not good for UI/UX, thats why I need to specify hide and alert and predefine it
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[11:03:19] <arlekin> OnceMe: there is directive for that
[11:03:30] <arlekin> OnceMe: look up ng-cloak on angular docs
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[11:03:59] <arlekin> !tiarx
[11:04:06] <arlekin> bot is down :/
[11:04:16] <OnceMe> arlekin: yeah that solved the issue
[11:04:20] <OnceMe> thanks :)
[11:04:22] <arlekin> OnceMe: :)
[11:04:27] <arlekin> so, are we good ?
[11:04:58] <OnceMe> yeah
[11:05:02] <arlekin> OnceMe: i could explain you roughly how directives like ng-class work
[11:05:04] <OnceMe> Ill play a bit more, but its all working now :)
[11:05:09] <arlekin> im glad
[11:05:26] <OnceMe> ok no problem, Ill go away for a while to eat a breakfast though :D
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[11:05:46] <arlekin> OnceMe: well, have a great meal, and remember to check irc for my explanation
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[11:06:21] <arlekin> so, we could say there are two kinds of directives in angular - the component ones and the, say, utility ones
[11:07:03] <arlekin> the component ones are mostly written by you or some third party, and basically are a component, so you just put some custom tag and it is replaced by some premade structure (like in my todolist example)
[11:07:55] <arlekin> and the "utility" ones - majority of the built-in ones - allow you to change or improve something on an element by adding special attribute on it
[11:07:59] <arlekin> like the ng-class one
[11:08:40] <arlekin> and while the "components" are quite obviousle some packaged html + js to make, well... component
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[11:09:10] <arlekin> the "utility" ones work in more jquery-ish way
[11:09:35] <arlekin> basically they do something on the element they are applied on - like managing element classes
[11:10:16] <arlekin> and the whole selecting element thing is kinda sidestepped, because when making a directive angular provides you with the element the directive is applied on
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[11:10:45] <arlekin> so kinda gives you the element as an argument to your controller function so you can use it
[11:11:36] <arlekin> so basically you almost never has to select elements manually (in jquery way) because the "this element" is given to you by angular
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[11:11:58] <arlekin> so as i said it is kinda reverse to what you do with jquery
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[11:12:08] <arlekin> where you find the element to put some logic on
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[11:12:22] <arlekin> in angular you find the logic to put on some element
[11:12:28] <arlekin> not sure if that makes sense
[11:12:44] <arlekin> but once it clicks you should know what i meant (hopefully)
[11:13:02] <arlekin> OnceMe: *prompt to read explanation*
[11:13:18] <arlekin> also... do i made sense guys ? validation needed!
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[11:18:39] <Preuk> TL;DR: angular is abstracting the DOM. Don't mess with it.
[11:18:41] <Preuk> right?
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[11:19:27] <arlekin> Preuk: abstracting is kinda strong word imho
[11:19:56] <arlekin> my understanding in angular its all about extending the dom, not putting stuff on top of it
[11:19:57] <Preuk> overly simplified of course
[11:20:31] <Preuk> managing/extending the DOM i'd say, so overrinding it with JQuery or whatever can do a lot aof nasty things
[11:21:12] <arlekin> Preuk: yup, i do believe there should be no problem using jquery alongside angular had someone had a weird need like that
[11:21:24] <arlekin> but for sure one has to really know what one is doing
[11:21:54] <arlekin> you would need to not mess with jquery some part of dom angular is using
[11:22:05] <Preuk> i do use jquery and jquery ui along ng2, but for "dead-end" elements that are not bound to my component
[11:22:09] <arlekin> since jquery aint angular-aware
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[11:22:17] <arlekin> Preuk: exactly
[11:22:29] <arlekin> Preuk: the two libs should not intertwine
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[11:26:02] <Preuk> here jQuery stuff is always done through ng2 component
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[11:37:21] <blizzzard> Does anyone know how I can retrigger a | $filter on the view if the first time it fetched the value was NaN?
[11:38:57] <arlekin> blizzzard: doesnt filter reruns each time a filtered value changes ?
[11:39:08] <blizzzard> I have a virtual-repeat and I'm changing the seconds to minutes ad seconds but about 20% of the items have NaN as their result
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[11:39:46] <blizzzard> Yeah and i can see it happening as well but turns out it doesn't track all, maybe it's because the digest is too complex?
[11:41:20] <arlekin> blizzzard: hard to say in theory without code, also im not sure i quite get what your problem is
[11:43:06] <blizzzard> Sure, i'll try to replicate it
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[11:52:08] <gaurav__> join
[11:52:20] <gaurav__> Hello.
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[11:53:31] <Kumar__> Hi
[11:53:49] <gaurav__> hello
[11:53:56] <gaurav__> kumar
[11:54:05] <Kumar__> hi
[11:54:11] <gaurav__> m new to angular chat?
[11:54:11] <blizzzard> It works well in the plnkr the problem though is that my application has a huge json file
[11:54:13] <Kumar__> i just need a favour
[11:54:28] <Kumar__> i planned to do Angular JS certification
[11:54:39] <Kumar__> yes
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[11:54:42] <Kumar__> im new
[11:54:49] <blizzzard> so I'm guessing there's a memory issue, can't replicate
[11:55:07] <gaurav__> i hv pland to learn angular js first.
[11:55:15] <Kumar__> anyone help me out in Angular JS certification
[11:55:17] <Kumar__> cost
[11:55:41] <gaurav__> how can i learn? any best method . boook or something similiar.
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[11:59:58] <jamesyan> how to use angularjs in laravel?
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[12:06:46] <Foxandxss> Kumar__: I never heard about an angular certification, we don't offer any and I am not sure you need one
[12:06:48] <juro> Hi! I am (still) on my quest to upgrade from 1.3.3 to 2rc5. I've decided to make smaller steps to 1.4.12 first. However, I am getting the same error "Error: [$injector:modulerr]" and I am assuming that the pre-coder has monkey patched Angular. Beeing new to this concept, I am not quite sure what to look out for though?
[12:07:10] <OnceMe> arlekin: thanks
[12:07:14] <OnceMe> Ill keep that in mind
[12:07:28] <xochilpili> ngModelCtrl.$setViewValue(dataValue); i got this: ngModelCtrl is not defined in a directive
[12:07:33] <xochilpili> any idea?
[12:07:52] <arlekin> OnceMe: ;)
[12:07:59] <arlekin> Foxandxss: bot is down i guess
[12:08:28] <Foxandxss> bot is a piece of crap that has more holes than features
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[12:09:06] <arlekin> Foxandxss: well... it would be impolite to argue
[12:09:23] <Foxandxss> that is what people do every day anyway
[12:09:48] <Foxandxss> no
[12:09:53] <Foxandxss> that is perfectly normal code
[12:10:09] <Foxandxss> I don't really recommend that way but is perfectly normal
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[12:10:36] <juro> @Foxandxss, thank you. That's what I thought. It's a legacy project, so a lot of things are not the "recommended" way
[12:10:53] <Foxandxss> as long as you are consistent with it, there is not a problem
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[12:16:05] <xochilpili> lol
[12:16:16] <xochilpili> i havent defined -.-
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[12:27:48] <arlekin> gotta luv enki guys
[12:28:13] <arlekin> first case in my life when i've got a feeling that my feedback is not only read but even addressed
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[12:31:24] <blizzzard> I found the cause of half my problems is this huge json file so going forward, do you know any way where I can recall a trigger if the value passed at first was blank for some reason?
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[12:32:15] <OnceMe> arlekin: hey I sometimes get error in console "failed to instantiate module.." but it works when I refresh the page (sometimes)
[12:32:19] <OnceMe> is this due to the cache or?
[12:32:31] <blizzzard> *recall a {{ someshit | filter }} or ng-bind=blah(someshit)?
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[12:33:05] <OnceMe> is this maybe I have this <script src="/js/angularall.js" async type="text/javascript"></script> ?
[12:33:14] <OnceMe> and script is not loaded yet while dom is parsed or something?
[12:33:19] <arlekin> OnceMe: hard to say
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[12:35:03] <arlekin> OnceMe: but definitely check the DI, script tags etc
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[12:40:07] <OnceMe> arlekin: can I mix already generated html with php and angular?
[12:40:23] <OnceMe> I wish to add new row in a table which is already generated with php, but how would I do ng-repeat in it?
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[12:40:59] <arlekin> OnceMe: damn... i have no idea, the only advice i can give you about php is "dont use php"...
[12:41:12] <OnceMe> why?
[12:41:35] <arlekin> OnceMe: kinda "going out of fashion technology"
[12:41:52] <arlekin> aaanyway, there should be no peoblem, i guess
[12:42:11] <blizzzard> funny how talking to myself on this group is providing me with all the answers. (I should use directives) haha
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[12:43:10] <arlekin> blizzzard: i hear an anegdote, that there was an Uni where in CS labs they placed a teddy bear, and student was allowed to ask the instructor a question, only after he/she explained the problem to the teddy bear
[12:43:20] <arlekin> supposedly there was much less questions
[12:44:03] <blizzzard> Haha Touche!
[12:45:10] <blizzzard> This is actually for an interview so they've given me a 5mb JSON which completely rules out things that work in a plnkr because plnkr/fiddles don't go to that scale
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[12:45:41] <blizzzard> memory wise and that's where it hits the fan, but its a lot easier than doing it with Polymer!
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[12:51:04] <juro> OnceMe, the "already generated table" is loaded via a controller. Then you can repeat over the data from there?
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[12:52:33] <OnceMe> juro: thats what I thought :D
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[13:38:20] <sunny_> hello
[13:38:31] <sunny_> i need help
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[13:38:59] <sunny_> i want to reset array after upadate data
[13:39:02] <sunny_> in agural js
[13:39:06] <sunny_> any function
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[13:39:07] <sunny_> ?
[13:39:19] <sunny_> stoffus help me
[13:39:23] <sunny_> any solution
[13:39:26] <arlekin> err... what ??
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[13:39:41] <Pyrrhus666> plz to expain ?
[13:39:50] <uru> sunny_: `myArray = []` ?
[13:39:52] <sunny_> i want to reset array after update data
[13:39:59] <sunny_> $scope.users.selected=$scope.student;
[13:40:01] <arlekin> array = []; ?
[13:40:25] <sunny_> after selected i want to reset array
[13:40:40] <sunny_> refresh
[13:40:50] <sunny_> solution?
[13:40:55] <arlekin> sunny_: maybe you'd try full sentences ?
[13:41:13] <arlekin> because we dont have the foggiest idea what you want
[13:41:49] <Pyrrhus666> zyklon b was a proposed solution at some point in history... not to your problem, but still...
[13:42:12] <Pyrrhus666> alcohol is also a solution to a lot of problems. less lethal.
[13:42:31] <sunny_> example i have table whent i will click on edit button after i changed any information suppose "firstname" then i want to see upadate record in table
[13:42:37] <sunny_> understand?
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[13:42:59] <arlekin> for the sake of argument lets say yes
[13:43:27] <LIERO> hi
[13:43:30] <sunny_> Pyrrhus666 any solution ?
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[13:43:53] <LIERO> if a factory returns a function, why can´t I update a value outside of the function scope?
[13:43:59] <arlekin> sunny_: solution to what concrete problem exactly ?
[13:44:06] <Pyrrhus666> sunny_: no others than the ones proposed already.
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[13:44:33] <sunny_> can you please explain factory
[13:44:47] <LIERO> i´m basically trying to display the image files randomly in 4 divs
[13:44:54] <arlekin> sunny_: what about it you dont understand ?
[13:44:58] <icebox> LIERO: it is correct... that is an async flow
[13:45:16] <LIERO> so then I want to make a new expression with $scope.shuffledImg1 = shuffledArray[0], etc
[13:45:28] <sunny_> my question :example i have table whent i will click on edit button after i changed any information suppose "firstname" then i want to see upadate record in table
[13:45:47] <sunny_> my question :example i have table when i will click on edit button after i changed any information suppose "firstname" then i want to see upadate record in table
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[13:46:03] <Pyrrhus666> sunny_: what code do you have and where does it go wrong.
[13:46:22] <sunny_> check code
[13:46:22] <sunny_> $scope.Update=function(data) { $scope.users.selected=$scope.student; $scope.Reset(); };
[13:46:39] <arlekin> dont paste code in irc plz
[13:46:56] <arlekin> also, the code is correct
[13:47:34] <Pyrrhus666> what he says, code looks fine. it does what it´s supposed to do.
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[13:47:54] <arlekin> Pyrrhus666: that i dont know, but the code is correct
[13:48:12] <LIERO> icebox, how does that matter in this case?
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[13:48:48] <Pyrrhus666> arlekin: arguably what it´s doing is not what sunny wants.
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[13:48:57] <Pyrrhus666> and there they go...
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[13:49:11] <arlekin> thank god
[13:49:50] <icebox> LIERO: that "console.log" outside an async call, displaying the empty array, is the expected behaviour, because the async code, that contained in ".then" part is not executed yet
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[13:50:01] <arlekin> i mean, not to be a dick, but how one can expect to be helped if one cannot coherently make a sentence
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[13:50:49] <icebox> LIERO: does it make sense?
[13:51:24] <LIERO> no, not really
[13:51:42] <LIERO> I´me using $q to get a promise
[13:51:54] <LIERO> inside the ShuffleArray factory
[13:51:55] <Pyrrhus666> I´ve missed those link drops ;)
[13:52:02] <icebox> Pyrrhus666: :P
[13:52:24] <arlekin> Pyrrhus666: you and me both brother
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[13:53:10] <icebox> LIERO: you wondered because that "console.log" doesn't display the array you expect: because it is executed before the promise is resolved
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[13:54:26] <icebox> LIERO: foo.get().then(function (response) { console.log("second"); }); console.log("first"); // it logs "first" and then "second"
[13:56:06] <LIERO> hm
[13:56:18] <LIERO> right
[13:57:09] <icebox> LIERO: but your issue is different
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[13:57:30] <icebox> LIERO: the problem is not about "console.log"
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[13:57:36] <icebox> LIERO: it is shuffledArray = array;
[13:57:45] <icebox> LIERO: that breaks the reference
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[13:59:08] <LIERO> how´s that, I declare it before the function is called?
[13:59:23] <icebox> LIERO: is shuffledArray in the scope? if yes, you are overriding the reference of that object (array) with another one
[13:59:40] <icebox> LIERO: it is not about the declaration
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[14:02:05] <icebox> LIERO: if you provide a very minimal working plunker (template in the channel topic), reproducing your request, we may give a look at it
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[14:03:16] <OnceMe> arlekin: when I serialize form like this: $scope.mainform
[14:03:17] <LIERO> erm, let me try
[14:03:37] <OnceMe> ng-model="mainform.name" is this ok?
[14:03:46] <OnceMe> will all special chars be encoded and such or I need to use encodedURI?
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[14:03:57] <OnceMe> aka encodeURIComponent()
[14:04:24] <arlekin> OnceMe: well, im not sure what you mean, but i wouldn't bother till there is an actual problem
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[14:04:49] <angularjs379> hi
[14:04:56] <angularjs379> anybody here?
[14:05:11] <Pyrrhus666> nope. we´re all hiding behind that grassy knoll.
[14:05:13] <OnceMe> hmm I just tried xss and angular is by default protect against this?
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[14:06:36] <OnceMe> ng-bind sanitaze this by defualt
[14:06:37] <OnceMe> default*
[14:06:50] <angularjs379> :) quick question: I know you should use directives for dom manipulation but should I use it just to render html on the page. I mean the directive has only a template property and it ends
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[14:08:49] <angularjs379> i incline to just put the html in my index page as it is. I`m working on old code. and I have directives that only put html on the page. I want to remove the directives. I know it will not be that readable but do I have any gain from not using directives to render the html?
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[14:10:45] <Pyrrhus666> angularjs379: you could also use ng-include for readability (and perhaps reuse). but otherwise there´s no real gain.
[14:11:15] <Pyrrhus666> but using directives to only render static html sounds weird, I´d get rid of it in any way possible :)
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[14:13:59] <angularjs379> yep. agree with you and thx. This HTML templates that are contained into the directives arent reused. They are just split so you wont have a large html file. So it seemed a little bit off for me too.
[14:14:05] <angularjs379> thank you
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[14:21:28] <LIERO> using a dozen factories >.<
[14:21:55] <Pyrrhus666> LIERO: you should make a factoryfactory then :P
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[14:27:44] <bd-> tabs master race
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[14:28:16] <ngWalrus> tabs are for plebs
[14:28:32] <Pyrrhus666> tabs should die.
[14:28:53] <Preuk> tabs are semantic
[14:29:12] <arlekin> tabs are few spaces
[14:29:17] <Pyrrhus666> as semantic as a div in semantic-ui.
[14:29:43] <Preuk> tabs are symbolic and can be tuned to whatever rendering you need, spaces are ambiguous
[14:30:12] <arlekin> Preuk: i didn't even understand you right know
[14:30:37] <bd-> a tab is not a few spaces
[14:30:48] <bd-> a tab is a tab, to indicate one level of indentation
[14:30:51] <OnceMe> how can I include angular at the bottom?
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[14:30:55] <Preuk> bd-: my man!
[14:31:02] <Pyrrhus666> tabs-to-spaces should be mandatory in every editor :P
[14:31:09] <arlekin> bd-: visually is, size-wise isn't
[14:31:14] <bd-> spaces are like people still using tables and tds instead of css
[14:31:47] <Pyrrhus666> I still use a carriage-return for it´s intended purpose.
[14:32:00] <Preuk> spaces have no semantic related to indentation since punch cards
[14:32:04] <arlekin> i moved to spaces, because i became tired of weird tabs and spaces mixes
[14:32:23] <bd-> that wouldn't be a problem is people just used tabs though
[14:32:25] <arlekin> Preuk: what do you mean by semantic ?
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[14:32:56] <blindbox> lol spaces
[14:32:57] <Preuk> arlekin: a space is a typographic symbol that separate lemmes (lexical items, whatever)
[14:32:59] <arlekin> btw always thought that arguing spaces vs tabs was kinda joke on community
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[14:33:16] <angrybacon> bd- Can't control people, what causes the least pain is using spaces everywhere in my experience
[14:33:25] <blindbox> these days i just set github to autoconvert all spaces to tabs, and set tab indentation to two-tabs
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[14:33:33] <blindbox> it makes me happy, it makes the repo i'm contributing to happy
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[14:33:39] <Preuk> space-based indentation is just abusing typographics to get a specific visual rendering
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[14:33:55] <Preuk> just like formatting a doc/odt file with spaces/tab/returns is BAD
[14:33:57] <blindbox> s/two-tabs/two-spaces
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[14:34:16] <Preuk> that being said, i actually use both depending on project ;)
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[14:34:26] <ngWalrus> you sicken me
[14:34:31] <arlekin> Preuk: yeah, probably but then again there isnt THAT much typhographic nerds
[14:34:34] <blindbox> i'm happy as long as i get my two-spaces indentation, be it in tab form, or space form
[14:34:34] <Pyrrhus666> tabs-people, just give it a rest, 14TB of code proves you´re wrong :P
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[14:34:51] <bd-> there are many things that are more popular without being correct
[14:34:56] <ngWalrus> more popular != correct
[14:35:09] <arlekin> two tabs... damn, you could basically saw off half of your screen
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[14:35:16] <Preuk> internet explorer 9 is NOT correct :)
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<OnceMe> I have this at my head html tag <html xmlns:ng="http://angularjs.org" ng-app="app" ng-strict-di>
[14:35:35] <arlekin> and to think that some ppl use 8 character tabs
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[14:35:46] <OnceMe> and I included angular lib and custom scripts at the bottom, but I get errors
[14:35:51] <blindbox> arlekin i made a mistake, i meant two-space
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[14:35:59] <arlekin> OnceMe: woah, wtf is xmlns ??
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[14:36:01] <ngWalrus> I hate two spaces
[14:36:03] <ngWalrus> >:(((
[14:36:12] <uru> arlekin: XML name space
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[14:36:21] <OnceMe> Module 'app' is not available! You either misspelled the module name or forgot to load it. If registering a module ensure that you specify the dependencies as the second argument.
[14:36:23] <arlekin> uru: fuck that shit
[14:36:32] <uru> arlekin: Tells the constumer how to validate the xml
[14:36:37] <uru> *consumer
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[14:36:59] <arlekin> uru: you don't, you pipe it to /dev/null and pretend you never got one
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[14:37:17] <uru> arlekin: It's useful if you are using XML to exchange data but otherwise rather unused now-a-days
[14:37:20] <uru> lol
[14:37:20] <OnceMe> so how to include angular?
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[14:37:35] <Pyrrhus666> yeah, why use something structured and validatable when you can have JSON ?
[14:37:36] <OnceMe> I dont want to block my dom with angular scripts
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[14:37:49] <uru> Pyrrhus666: JSON schema ;)
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[14:37:56] <ngWalrus> also spaces behave more consistently in different workign environs than tabs
[14:38:00] <ngWalrus> fucking tab assholes
[14:38:06] <ngWalrus> might as well use emacs over vim
[14:38:06] <Pyrrhus666> uru: the guy who opted for that should be shot.
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[14:38:38] <arlekin> Pyrrhus666: its like json in structured (its all nesting all the way down) with putting some metadata in tags
[14:38:49] <OnceMe> can someone help me? :D
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[14:38:59] <uru> Pyrrhus666: I find it very useful when building architecture. By validating the json structure the dev knows instantly if their data is wrong or if the endpoint is wrong
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[14:39:08] <bd-> json schema is pretty useful
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[14:39:21] <Pyrrhus666> json is wrong by definition. as are tabs. also emacs.
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[14:39:24] <arlekin> Pyrrhus666: therefore you make format that allows for arbitrary structure, is totally unreadable, and hell for parsing
[14:39:43] <uru> bd-: It is :D The libaries I've used for it are pretty fast too and usually provide good error messages
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[14:39:57] <bd-> xml is such a massive pain in the arse
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[14:40:15] <Pyrrhus666> I <3 xml. also xsl. and relax-ng.
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[14:40:40] <arlekin> i see how people could make a mistake of thinking xml is a good idea, but its batshit crazy regardless
[14:40:48] <Limarson> bd-: +1 :D
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[14:41:18] <stormbytes> morning
[14:41:23] <arlekin> Pyrrhus666: u gotta be trolling bro
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[14:41:46] <arlekin> uru: thats just pissing me off frankly.. :P
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[14:42:01] <Limarson> bd-: XML is a political compromise - everyone knows that they lost :D The computer because it's not good parseable and the human being because it's not good readable^^
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[14:42:14] <bd-> the only benefit of xml is that streaming parsers are more common
[14:42:19] * Preuk grabs a bag of popcorn and enjoys the show
[14:42:21] <bd-> but that doesn't really apply to all datasets
[14:42:34] <Pyrrhus666> arlekin: nope.
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[14:42:37] <uru> arlekin: lol, can't please everyone
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[14:42:51] <arlekin> Pyrrhus666: i dont believe you
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[14:43:00] <OnceMe> arlekin: how to include angular at the bottom?
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[14:43:18] <arlekin> i want to understand, i've got to work with xsl sometime and its absolute nightmare
[14:43:20] <Pyrrhus666> arlekin: that´s no problem, as long as I can have my xml and enjoy it ;)
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[14:43:44] <arlekin> Pyrrhus666: trust me my life would be a lot easier had i have your approach
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[14:44:21] <ngWalrus> OnceMe you include it like any other script
[14:44:21] <mst> XML+XSLT+schema/relax-ng can be really nice *if* it's done right
[14:44:21] <arlekin> Pyrrhus666: but i just can't, the xsl are not clear, not intuitive (ie. not similar to any programming language), and lack good docs
[14:44:32] <mst> the XSLT spec was always quite sufficient for me
[14:44:33] <Preuk> xml/xsl can be really useful for automated data conversion, but not as the golden hammer sun and oracle tried to sell us
[14:44:37] <OnceMe> ngWalrus: I am getting errors
[14:44:41] <ngWalrus> what errors
[14:44:46] <Pyrrhus666> it´s like unix : very userfriendly, but kind of picky who it wants to be friends with
[14:44:52] <Preuk> xml for config is just weird
[14:44:54] <mst> right, 98% of uses of it are stupid uses done badly
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[14:45:41] <Jeelani> I am new to angularjs
[14:45:57] <arlekin> well in my case its kinda exotic format translated to xml then put through xsl to become xml representation for another exotic format
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[14:46:06] <Jeelani> just trying to build factory which can be used as a typeahead
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[14:46:27] <arlekin> so i hope i can get some understanding for my anti-xml raging
[14:46:32] <OnceMe> so in head is <html ng-app="app">
[14:46:44] <OnceMe> just before body $js .= '<script src="/js/angular.js" type="text/javascript"></script>';
[14:46:44] <OnceMe> $js .= '<script src="/js/angularall.js" type="text/javascript"></script>';
[14:46:52] <Jeelani> but from the typeahead when I am entering any data its not invoking that method
[14:47:07] <Jeelani> can someone help me here with that
[14:47:15] <arlekin> mst: xsl docs are worse than any docs i ever seen
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[14:47:32] <arlekin> it is worse than python docs ffs
[14:47:35] <OnceMe> hmm weird
[14:47:43] <OnceMe> when I put async in angularall.js tag, I get Module 'app' is not available! You either misspelled the module name or forgot to load it. If registering a module ensure that you specify the dependencies as the second argument.
[14:47:57] <Jeelani> can someone here
[14:48:10] <Jeelani> help me out with my issue
[14:48:20] <Limarson> Jeelani: Do you have some plnkr?
[14:48:42] <Jeelani> just placed in stackoverflow
[14:48:44] <arlekin> mst: well i dont want comprehensive, im not gonna write a parser, i want reference, so i can check quickly how to put literal value into xsl variable
[14:48:49] <Preuk> for relatively simple uses, it's still better to setup an XML/XSLT conversion pipeline than setting u a talend job for instance
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[14:48:56] <Jeelani> shall I give you that link
[14:49:10] <mst> arlekin: I read that through once, and then I can jump to the section I need pretty quickly
[14:49:19] <mst> but I'm very much fond of old school man page style docs
[14:49:30]
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[14:49:41] <arlekin> mst: well, man page is great, but what i see aint no manpage brother
[14:49:43] <Limarson> Jeelani: If it contains some code to show what's going wrong, give it a try :)
[14:50:04] <arlekin> mst: also, how long it took you to read through whole thing ?
[14:50:33] <Jeelani> Limarson please already I am new to angularjs, try look at the link then just confirm me where I am making mistake.
[14:50:38] <mst> don't remember, did it years ago. maybe an hour or two?
[14:50:48] <mst> saved me far more than that in the following two weeks
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[14:51:11] <arlekin> mst: so you just read it front to back in two ours, and understood it ?
[14:51:25] <mst> yes.
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[14:51:30] <mst> that's how I normally approach RFCs
[14:51:31] <arlekin> Jeelani: you know the irc clients persists more than one message at once ?
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[14:52:23] <Jeelani> No idea about IRC clients, but sorry if I did anything wrong here, I will be carefull next time. thanks for informing
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[14:52:41] <arlekin> mst: well, i never tried reading rfc, so i wouldn't know, but i wouldn't ever thought that i could just read through spec in two ohours, and gaining any understanding from it
[14:52:47] <arlekin> mst: i feel dumb frankly
[14:53:11] <arlekin> Jeelani: chill, just there is no point in posting the same message 34 seconds apart
[14:53:15] <mst> right, so, the thing is, I've always learned protocols and etc. by reading RFCs from top to bottom
[14:53:25] <mst> it's daunting as fuck the first time, I totally agree
[14:53:30] <mst> but the more practice you get, the faster it goes
[14:53:41] <Jeelani> arlekini: yep
[14:53:50] <Jeelani> arlekin: got it
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[14:53:56] <Jeelani> Limarson: did you check the link?
[14:54:03] <mst> arlekin: so, er, don't feel dumb, just feel inexperienced, and remember 'inexperienced' is always fixable :)
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[14:55:04] <Pyrrhus666> arlekin: I´ve almost never read anything front to back in one go. glance it, get the basics, start experimenting, refer back to docs, repeat.
[14:55:22] <Jeelani> Limarson: Are you there?
[14:55:23] <Limarson> Jeelani: Sorry I don't get it by just reading the code, please try to reproduce the error in a plnkr and post it here again so we can have an example which we could debug
[14:55:38] <arlekin> mst: i guess so... also, and i know how it sounds, i have no intention of learning nuts and bolts of xml/xsl - im never (probably) out of free will use it in a project as a data structure, and if i have to work with it, i'd like to have some resource to quickly check how that one thing is done
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[14:55:59] <arlekin> Pyrrhus666: i have the same MO
[14:56:30] <Jeelani> Limarson: I am not getting any error, but the typeahead is itself not invoking, if you see code for type ahead marked as /*Typeahead starts here*/
[14:56:39] <mst> I read it, quickly, front to back, THEN go on to experiment+refer
[14:56:51] <mst> I find the first step builds up a mental index that makes the 'refer back' step go enough faster to pay off fast
[14:56:55] <arlekin> i feel unfairly treated that i have to work with xml and im willing to do anything to eliminate the need to work with it
[14:57:18] <Pyrrhus666> mst: your more patient than I am :) although you´re probably right that your way is more efficient.
[14:57:22] <arlekin> mst: so you say - read it without being concerned too much about deep understanding ?
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[14:57:52] <mst> right, what you're doing the first time through is building up a mental map of what's there, rather than understanding every detail on the first pass
[14:58:03] <mst> knowing what concepts *exist* helps a lot during the experimenting phase
[14:58:22] <mst> otherwise you can easily miss a perfect solution to your problem because you hadn't realised it existed
[14:59:01] <arlekin> mst: true, but reading everything is kinda daunting and for me at least it would take enormous effort to walk over the fact that i dont understand something
[14:59:25] <Jeelani> Limarson: Did you check?
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[15:00:15] <ngWalrus> What mst reminds my attempts at learning haskell
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[15:00:32] <mst> arlekin: like I say, it's daunting until you practice it
[15:00:36] <mst> arlekin: so is 'using a command line'
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[15:01:21] <Jeelani> Limarson: let me tell you I am trying to build typeahead and invoking from inside the modal(ui.bootstrap version: 2.1.3)
[15:01:24] <arlekin> mst: is it though ? i feel quite comfortable usin cli but i wouldn't say i know all that stuff all that well
[15:01:38] <Limarson> Jeelani: The only thing I see is, that your typeahead has uib-typeahead="name for name in getLocation($viewValue)" and you don't have the getLocation declared, but you do have a myData(val) function
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[15:01:56] <mst> arlekin: well, some people find the learning curve steep
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[15:01:58] <mst> see also: vi
[15:02:03] <Jeelani> Limarson: Yes
[15:02:05] <mst> I'm just trying to give you another example
[15:02:13] <Limarson> Jeelani: maybe it should be uib-typeahead="name for name in myData($viewValue)"
[15:02:18] <mst> nitpicking "but *I* don't really find *this* thing hard" isn't really my point :)
[15:02:40] <Limarson> Jeelani: But as I said, I don't fully get it if I can't play around with the code, it's just a guess :)
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[15:03:19] <Jeelani> Limarson: hmmm so what do you suggests?
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[15:03:45] <arlekin> mst: sorry, you are right
[15:03:52] <arlekin> also
[15:04:29] <Jeelani> Limarson: when I am trying to make a plunker for angularjs version 1.5.8 with ui.bootstrap 2.1.3 its including different versions
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[15:05:37] <mst> arlekin: but, I mean, yeah, this is hard. but it was *so* worth the investment over the years
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[15:05:53] <mst> "people often miss opportunity because it's dressed in overalls and looks like work"
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[15:06:13] <arlekin> mst: thats one dickish quote
[15:06:30] <arlekin> i mean dickish because doesn't really allow an argument
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[15:06:53] <Jeelani> Limarson: Can you check again and let me know
[15:07:00] <mst> arlekin: well, if you want to go back in time and tell Thomas Edison he's a dick, be my guest
[15:07:08] <Jeelani> Limarson: I think I dont have to declare that over
[15:07:37] <arlekin> mst: i don't, but you gotta admit that would be kinda funny usage for time machine
[15:07:59] <Pyrrhus666> arlekin: there´s a big loophole in the use of ´often´ though ;)
[15:08:01] <mst> my preferred use is "go back in time, buy a few of hitler's paintings so he sticks with being an artist"
[15:08:41] <arlekin> mst: wouldn't it be easier just to kill him ?
[15:09:14] <mst> my way is funnier and doesn't involve being arrested for murder
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[15:09:42] <Preuk> mst: there was a nivea smbc comics about that
[15:09:53] <arlekin> mst: you wouldn't be arrested, you'd have freaking time machine
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[15:10:47] <sparkz> curious.. have most people moved on to v2 ?
[15:10:51] <mst> arlekin: I've been a professional developer for a lot of years. "I have technology, therefore it will keep me safe" is not something I believe in anymore
[15:10:55] <Jeelani> Limarson: Even if I declared getLocation as $scope.getLocation its not invoking that function.
[15:11:11] <Preuk> this one :)
[15:11:22] <sparkz> I did a project on v1.3 some year and half ago, have since forgotten pretty much everything so i'm re-learning... intuitively jumped back into 1.x
[15:11:23] <Foxandxss> sparkz: I have seen a lot of movement on that direction
[15:11:58] <Jeelani> Limarson: Are you there?
[15:12:02] <Pyrrhus666> Preuk: good one :)
[15:12:05] <sparkz> i think the drastic break with v1.x will have a strong impact on adoption
[15:12:24] <sparkz> its relearning a large part of everything
[15:12:26] <Foxandxss> So far I'd say that is not impacting too much
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[15:12:32] <sunny_> Hello i need some help
[15:12:38] <Foxandxss> you have to keep in mind that the change is for the better, way better
[15:12:50] <Pyrrhus666> he´s baaahaaaaaack :)
[15:12:58] <sunny_> i can create chat system usgin angural js and mysql
[15:13:04] <arlekin> mst: hard to argue with you
[15:13:05] <sunny_> it is possible ?
[15:13:09] <uru> sparkz: If you don't have a project you need to deply any time soon then I'd say take a look at v2 over v1
[15:13:10] <sparkz> Foxandxss: what's so way better?
[15:13:10] <arlekin> mst: ;)
[15:13:16] <uru> sunny_: Yes, of course
[15:13:21] <Jeelani> Limarson: Please at the issue and let me know, just stuck since last two days
[15:13:23] <sunny_> why ?
[15:13:27] <arlekin> mst: therefore i will remind you that mst in french means std :PO
[15:13:27] <sunny_> any idea
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[15:13:33] <Foxandxss> sparkz: angular 2
[15:13:35] <uru> sunny_: You'll need some kind of backend to talk to the database though
[15:13:43] <Preuk> sunny_: you would need so server-side processing too
[15:13:58] <Preuk> uru shot first
[15:13:59] <sparkz> Foxandxss: where is most of the difference/benefit?
[15:14:14] <uru> Preuk: :)
[15:14:22] <uru> Preuk: On my 5th coffee :3
[15:14:31] <Foxandxss> way simpler than angular 1 and way faster
[15:14:44] <sparkz> v2 is 'simpler' ?
[15:14:53] <Preuk> lot of french speakers here i guess... that's not the first reference i see here
[15:14:53] <Foxandxss> yes
[15:15:05] <Foxandxss> angular 1 has too much concepts and 5 types of services
[15:15:11] <sunny_> you mean i need to hit every time
[15:15:15] <Foxandxss> ng2 has less concepts and just 1 service type
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[15:15:36] <sunny_> uru tell any idea
[15:15:44] <uru> Foxandxss: And has been very nice to develop in <3
[15:15:47] <sparkz> no more factory/service
[15:15:49] <uru> sunny_: You are a developer, yes?
[15:15:54] <sunny_> yes
[15:15:56] <Foxandxss> indeed
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[15:16:19] <uru> sunny_: Then it's your job to research existing soltions and design patterns and put them to use. We don't know anything about your usecase.
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[15:17:59] <sparkz> i'll look at it. right now i'm knee-high in 1.5 and i'm apprehensive about dropping that and jumping into 2. I have so much stuff on my to-learn list
[15:18:08] <LIERO> example plunkr template doesn´t work >.<
[15:18:14] <uru> sparkz: Don't we all
[15:18:37] <Foxandxss> doesn't?
[15:18:39] <uru> sparkz: iirc 1.5 is geared/ing towards migration to v2 anyway
[15:18:46] <sparkz> uru: is it really a ground-up start from scratch expedition?
[15:18:53] <Foxandxss> I haven't look into that template for years
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[15:18:57] <uru> sparkz: The offical docs are pretty good in that regard
[15:19:02] <Foxandxss> s/years/months
[15:19:07] <sparkz> uru: the way i'm using 1.5 it may as well be 1.3
[15:19:15] <Foxandxss> ng2 docs are awesome
[15:19:18] * Foxandxss whistles
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[15:19:33] <uru> lol, everyone make way for Foxandxss' ego ;P
[15:19:44] <sparkz> oh wow thank goodness they killed the crusty old "cell phone" store demo app they had in the v1 tutorial
[15:20:09] <Foxandxss> the truth is that only 5% of text is mine
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[15:21:08] <Preuk> ng2 doc is good, but there are a few conflits between quickstart/tuto and more advanced items from dev guide/cookbook
[15:21:22] <Foxandxss> I would love to hear about that
[15:21:27] <sparkz> [oh shoot and there's Typescript....
[15:21:36] <Preuk> no big deal, but some pages (like the one about testing) seem to be based on projects created with angular command line
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[15:22:30] <Foxandxss> testing chapter in there is old
[15:22:33] <Foxandxss> and is going to change soon
[15:22:41] <Preuk> it would be nice to have a section at the end of quickstart or in dev guide for project structure, so from tutorial you can get a nice project structure
[15:22:59] <Preuk> ok nice :)
[15:23:30] <Foxandxss> we are probably going to change the tutorial to use angular CLI and probably put a project structure to it
[15:24:30] <sparkz> v2 syntax seems heavy as **
[15:24:33] <Preuk> that would be great; handmade is nice for quickstart/tutorial but transition from tutorial to production code is often the biggest issue in learning a new framework
[15:25:02] <Preuk> (that's something symfony team did really well, at least for old v1)
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[15:25:27] <sparkz> symphony? hah that still around?
[15:25:47] <Pyrrhus666> wasn´t angular-cli that package that had (has ?) a hideous amount of dependencies ? <shudder>
[15:26:02] <sparkz> man i remember checking into that all of 6-7 years ago... ended up with codeigniter
[15:26:54] <Foxandxss> Preuk: I understand. We will cover production once the CLI is final
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[15:27:45] <Preuk> Foxandxss: thank you
[15:28:17] <Foxandxss> so basically you will have a quickstart with the CLI, the tutorial to continue and then how to put that into prod
[15:28:53] <Pyrrhus666> ah yes, it still has. with the extra fun dependency on one of the competitors, ember.js :)
[15:29:18] <Limarson> Foxandxss: The docs are good, but how to change the rc version?
[15:29:45] <Limarson> Is that possible?
[15:29:54] <Preuk> Foxandxss: and something about "old" tutorial structure migration maybe?
[15:30:24] <Foxandxss> Limarson: see old docs?
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[15:30:53] <Foxandxss> Preuk: I don't follow
[15:30:57] <sparkz> wow.. so 2 is pretty much v1 of angular-something-else
[15:31:17] <Limarson> Foxandxss: Yes :) I have some trainee here which I wanted to introduce into angular with the CLI, but it's still rc 4 which means no modules :)
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[15:31:20] <sparkz> the only thing that stayed the same is the name -- angular
[15:31:45] <Foxandxss> Limarson: sorry, not possible right now :(
[15:31:47] <Pyrrhus666> sparkz: it´s sort of next gen... ngng, if you´d like :)
[15:31:56] <Preuk> our code is currently based on structure provided by tutorial; i had a look at what CLI does, i can't recognize anything
[15:31:59] <Limarson> Foxandxss: Now he learns ng2 "the hard way", which is also not bad, but I just couldn't find out how to go back to rc4 docs
[15:32:12] <Limarson> Foxandxss: Ah okay, at least I'm not blind then, thank you ^^
[15:32:31] <Foxandxss> I guess versioned docs will come after final
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[15:32:39] <sparkz> Pyrrhus666: heh 'next gen', like internal combustion is to the horse and buggy
[15:33:22] <Limarson> Foxandxss: I try to be up2date anyway, it's just that angular-cli is behind :D
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[15:34:26] <bd-> angular-cli@webpack has the module stuff
[15:34:40] <bd-> at least it generates an initial app using ngmodule, not sure if it has a shortcut to add new modules
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[15:34:57] <Migs> I basically just want to make the div go away when that button is clicked
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[15:35:45] <bd-> Migs: ng-if creates a new scope and if your showDeleteConfirmation is a primitive it won't update the parent scope
[15:35:46] <Migs> replacing the ng-if="showDeleteConfirmation" with ng-show makes it work fine
[15:35:53] <Migs> ohhhhh
[15:35:54] <Pyrrhus666> Migs: what if you change ng-if to ng-hide ?
[15:36:02] <Migs> makes sense. Thanks!
[15:36:15] <bd-> so do like ng-if="something.showDeleteConfirmation" and it'll probably work
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[15:43:52] <sparkz> can you use es6 with ng1.5 ?
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[15:44:31] <DieguezZ> you can use es6 if u use babel
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[15:47:14] <sparkz> babel?
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[15:47:51] <sparkz> es6 needs to be compiled down to js....?
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[15:48:10] <Pyrrhus666> sparkz: seeing as browsers don´t do es6, yes.
[15:48:22] <sparkz> ah, ok i see
[15:48:31] <sparkz> but server-side (node) is ok?
[15:48:44] <sparkz> meaning native support for es6
[15:48:59] <Pyrrhus666> sparkz: dunno, but angular is client side...
[15:49:06] <sparkz> right
[15:49:11] <sparkz> curious
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[15:50:18] <sparkz> wait, wouldn't chrome support es6 without the need to compile to es5?
[15:50:23] <arlekin> gotta go guys, cya
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[15:50:32] <sparkz> node is built around v8 which is Google == Chrome
[15:50:46] <sparkz> i just read that
[15:50:56] <Pyrrhus666> seems v8 doesn´t support the full set of es2015.
[15:51:23] <sparkz> says "all shipping features"
[15:51:44] <sparkz> 'staged' features require a --flag
[15:52:02] <Pyrrhus666> yes, but as there are three groups, it seems not all features have already shipped ;)
[15:52:22] <sparkz> there will always be 3 groups :)
[15:53:19] <sparkz> looks like 60-70% is supported
[15:53:27] <Pyrrhus666> yes, saw that too.
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[15:54:44] <sparkz> dang... this is such a transitional period
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[15:55:01] <sparkz> pita for most developers
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[15:55:10] <Pyrrhus666> sparkz: it will always be a transitional period for something or other.
[15:55:10] <sparkz> 4-5 years down the line we'll have a cleaner playing field
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[15:55:19] <Pyrrhus666> sparkz: don´t count on it ;)
[15:55:36] <Pyrrhus666> then we´ll be transitioning to something else...
[15:55:47] <sparkz> how reliable is this es6-to-es5 compiler?
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[15:56:52] <Pyrrhus666> the whole transpiling thing seems to work fine, but I´ve only used it in setups where it ´just worked´ out-of-the-box. I´m not an expert.
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[15:57:40] <Pyrrhus666> it works for typescript at least, but that´s slightly different of course.
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[16:07:30] <angrybacon> Is there any reason why I can't change a module.value?
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[16:11:11] <sparkz> Pyrrhus666: how bad's the learning curve for ng2?
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[16:12:29] <Pyrrhus666> I found it not too bad, I followed the tutorial and then started some experimenting. but ymmv...
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[16:15:50] <uru> sparkz: I found it pretty easy too, same as Pyrrhus666
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[16:22:41] <Limarson> Does anyone know if there's a best practise to have angular(2)-plugins? Like you have a website with frontend and backend, and if someone does install a "FancyButton" plugin, then it will be shown on the frontend and editable in the backend? I thought of ng2 modules but they need to be known at compile-time
[16:23:35] <zomg> Limarson: I'm not sure if there's really any technical limitation of being able to do that
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[16:23:51] <zomg> for example, you could define a custom plugin architecture, which is handled by your existing ng2 module for plugins
[16:26:07] <Limarson> zomg: You mean, like just loading the plugin parts of the app directly via javascript inside the existing application (where the plugin is an ng2 app itself)?
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[16:28:20] <zomg> well assuming the ng2 module stuff / app stuff is a bit difficult to get loaded dynamically
[16:28:30] <zomg> that would mean it would probably be simpler to define a custom plugin api in some way
[16:28:51] <zomg> for example, we can say that a plugin must be a script which has `{ init: function, destroy: function }`
[16:29:38] <zomg> this way you could then for example have a module in your app which loads plugins, and then just does plugins.forEach(p => p.init())
[16:30:00] <zomg> and of course you can pass anything you need into init, like services or other stuff that might be needed for them
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[16:31:41] <Limarson> zomg: I thought of something like this too, but that's unfortunately not enough. Every plugin has to have 1 or more components (+template + optional css) for frontend and for the backend which rely on other modules (like PrimeNg for the GUI stuff)
[16:31:59] <Limarson> So I need to find some Angular friendly way :D
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[16:33:23] <zomg> Well I'm unfamiliar with ng2 but at least with angular 1 I think it's possible to add modules on runtime which would get dependency injection etc.
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[16:33:49] <zomg> It might require some manual initialization using the injector and such maybe, perhaps there's some similar method possible with ng2
[16:34:59] <Limarson> zomg: Mhm maybe I need to go deeper in the ng2 mechanics then, if that was possible with ng1 it might be possible with ng2 as well :) Thank you very much for your thoughts^^
[16:35:56] <QueueQueue> @Limarson what was the question (just got here) ?
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[16:36:42] <Limarson> QueueQueue: Does anyone know if there's a best practise to have angular(2)-plugins? Like you have a website with frontend and backend, and if someone does install a "FancyButton" plugin, then it will be shown on the frontend and editable in the backend? I thought of ng2 modules but they need to be known at compile-time
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[16:38:31] <Limarson> I'm thinking about restructuring my application because it has become pretty large and some features are optional and could be "patched" at runtime if needed, so some kind of plugin system would be cool
[16:38:55] <QueueQueue> So it's all ng2 ?
[16:39:05] <Pyrrhus666> Limarson: there used to be a dynamic component loader in ng2. seems it´s disappeared...
[16:39:11] <Limarson> Like Typo3 or Wordpress or something, if the plugin xy is installed, then have fancy feature xy enabled
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[16:39:18] <Limarson> QueueQueue: Yes^^
[16:39:26] <QueueQueue> I haven't really dove into ng2 yet, sorry :(
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[16:39:43] <QueueQueue> The projects I have been involved with have been ng1
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[16:39:58] <Limarson> QueueQueue: nevermind, thank you for your interest^^
[16:39:59] <Migs> I have no plans to move to ng2 anytime soon
[16:40:19] <Preuk> sounds dirty, but monkey patch compiled app.module.ngfactory maybe?
[16:40:23] <Limarson> Pyrrhus666: Maybe there's some equivalent, thank you :)
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[16:41:47] <Preuk> or leverage DI to inject real module or placeholder module depending on availability?
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[16:43:21] <umdstu> is there a ‘best practice’ way of repeating an $http call serially? I have a GET that gets X results at a time, and repeats that until there are no more results to get. if there are more results, the response is a 200. if there are no more, its 204, so it would repeat the GET until it gets a 204
[16:44:00] <Pyrrhus666> umdstu: simply chain the promises until one responds 204 ?
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[16:44:45] <Pyrrhus666> be aware that that could easily turn into a DOS attack ;)
[16:44:45] <Limarson> Preuk: Sounds dirty, yes :D I'll take a look at the dynamicComponentLoader first and look to where it's gone
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[16:45:14] <umdstu> Pyrrhus666: how do you chain them if you dont know how many there will be?
[16:45:49] <Pyrrhus666> Limarson: I see references to the ComponentFactory to dynamically build/include/use components, but documentation is lacking...
[16:46:34] <Pyrrhus666> umdstu: start with one, there´s always one. in the then() part, see if it returns 200 -> schedule a new one. if 204, don´t.
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[16:46:55] <angrybacon> umdstu return nameOfThatFunction()
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[16:48:15] <umdstu> ok, I wasn’t sure if it was as simple as that
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[16:51:00] <Elyoukey> hello, i am working on angular2, i am trying to have a component to reroute the app when one of his inputs changes, is it possible in some way ?
[16:51:36] <umdstu> but i moved the chaining to inside the controller, so i’m not sure how to make the promiseWHile work anymore
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[17:02:28] <Limarson> God damn I misse Pyrrhus666, I need to thank him tomorrow :)
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[17:02:35] <Limarson> +d
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[17:02:57] <Limarson> I'm out too, have a nice evening everyone, o/
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[17:25:20] <stormbytes> uru: checked into v2, its a whole can of worms! need to read up on typescript first, so I'll be doing my current project in v.1.5 and then at some point I'll migrate over to v2 once I've had a chance to learn the ins and outs
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[17:40:03] <uru> stormbytes: Fair enough, there's not much extra to Typescript though really, it's pretty much JS with some extra nice bits added
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[17:40:46] <mst> typescript seems like pretty much ES6 plus type annotations
[17:41:13] <uru> mst: Pretty much, it's got some nice thigns like OOP and decorators as well though
[17:41:29] <mst> I thought the OOP bits were in ES6
[17:41:39] <mst> decorators are a proposal IIRC, I have babel handling them
[17:41:58] <uru> Not actually sure, could well be all es6 stuff
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[19:29:35] <lgdavis> Curious if anyone knows if angular material can be scoped to a directive consumed by other angular apps, namely autocomplete? I'm not sure how much "all in" you have to be when consuming angular material and if it can be isolated. Hopefully this line of questioning is making sense...
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[19:30:42] <raypulver> hello everyone. I am making an application using angular 1.x and ui-router. I have a problem where I have two main states that each have their own ui-view and child states, and I want there to be a default child state, but if I link directly to the child state then ui-sref-active doesn't work
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[19:32:02] <raypulver> I was thinking about making my own directive sibling-active that applies the active class to the element but I want to look at the source code of ui-router
[19:32:13] <raypulver> for that directive. am I on the right path here?
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[19:38:12] <lgdavis> meow?
[19:38:13] <Tiedye1> Anyone available to answer a question?
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[19:38:23] <Tiedye1> Hi
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[19:38:57] <lgdavis> Tiedye1: I'm going to go out on a limb and say not at the moment... :-D
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[19:39:29] <Tiedye1> Seems that way, oh well
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[19:40:48] <Tiedye1> Why are there so many people is this room, but its so quiet?
[19:41:05] <uru> Tiedye1: Not everyone is actually here
[19:41:17] <Tiedye1> I see
[19:41:36] <uru> Lots of people use bouncers and the like that keep them connected even when they are afk. Best thing is just to ask, no need to ask to ask.
[19:41:49] <Tiedye1> Alaright
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[19:43:06] <Tiedye1> Simple issue, I'm trying to use the AOT compilation in the new rc, however when I run the ngc command all its doing is compiling my code and not creating any ngfactories. I tried it on the quickstart and same issue, no ngfactories are being created.
[19:43:12] <Tiedye1> No clue why
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[19:44:30] <uru> Not gotten around to using the cli yet, but sounds like it might possibly be a bug. Did you check the github issue tracker to see if someone reported something like this?
[19:44:52] <Tiedye1> Ive been looking, havent found any mention of it yet
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[19:47:00] <uru> Might indeed be worth doing some digging and possibly opening a new issue
[19:47:15] <Tiedye1> Alright
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[19:48:08] <Tiedye1> Oh shoot foun dthe issue
[19:48:15] <Tiedye1> Its a windows 10 thing
[19:48:36] <Tiedye1> Fixed in rcc6
[19:48:38] <Tiedye1> cooool
[19:49:02] <Tiedye1> Sorry I bothered you, Ive been trying to figure this out for hours
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[19:54:17] <uru> Tiedye1: No worries :) Glad you got it solved
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[20:24:28] <temuccio> Hello all, I use a radio with material angular....I have made a button can clean the selected option, but doesn't works. Do you can help me?
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[20:25:13] <temuccio> I have try to set ng-model="selectformat" of my radio to $scope.selectformat='';
[20:25:37] <temuccio> but, when I press the button, this call doen't work
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[20:43:07] <dopry> I'm working on an event binding with a component in ng 1.5.. I'm trying to bind onSubmit: '&', with on-submit="console.log('submitted')"... In my controller I'm calling this.onSubmit (es6 class)..
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[20:44:08] <dopry> but when I call this.onSubmit(), the console.log doesn't fire...
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[20:46:05] <dopry> in angular's initializeDirectiveBindings after case '&', I see ```parentGet = attrs.hasOwnProperty(attrName) ? $parse(attrs[attrName]) : noop;```
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[20:46:55] <dopry> then the prop on the directive controller is bound as ```function(locals) {
[20:46:55] <dopry> return parentGet(scope, locals);
[20:46:55] <dopry> };```
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[20:47:27] <dopry> making me think I can only call a parent controller method with & bindings...
[20:47:57] <dopry> and not just any js function...
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[20:48:36] <dopry> Does that ring true to anyone else who has used '&' bindings in ng1.5?
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[21:24:40] <Guest17833> Hey, I'm sure this has been asked before, but what does the long-term support for Angular 1.5 look? Secondly, I'm not building a SPA... It seems moving to Angular2 would be difficult and probably a bad choice. Thoughts?
[21:25:04] <Guest17833> I can't find any documentation of using Angular2 in a non-SPA fashion.
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[22:04:38] <Foxandxss> CanyonMan: you asked me yesterday I think about where the CLI talks
[22:04:42] <Foxandxss> but is the angular slack :/
[22:05:09] <CanyonMan> Foxandxss: I found a group in gitter called angular/cli
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[22:05:23] <Foxandxss> I am not a gitter man, that app sucks hard
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[22:05:33] <CanyonMan> Foxandxss: I'm really going bananas here with IM stuff though. I'm on gitter, slack, hipchat, irc, and local xmpp.
[22:05:44] <Foxandxss> I am on 5 slacks
[22:05:53] <CanyonMan> And in every one of those cases, Yeah I COULD try to use some converged client, or access every one of them by xmpp ... but that really blows hard too
[22:06:27] <CanyonMan> gitter angular/angular did though explain to me something I couldn't figure out myself, which is what this does: selector[something][somethingElse]
[22:06:43] <CanyonMan> I encountered that, then realized oh holy crap that's how you can set up your own microsyntax like ngFor does
[22:06:50] <CanyonMan> and KABOOM it WORKED and I was amazed and happy
[22:07:01] <HS^> does it make sense to just use angularjs on the client side and a restful service on the server?
[22:07:06] <HS^> is that enough to make a website
[22:07:23] <Foxandxss> HS^: that is what you normally do
[22:07:23] <CanyonMan> sure, why not, what else do you need
[22:07:28] <HS^> i was thinking about this, but then what about translation of the website, for example
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[22:07:52] <HS^> also, some things i think belong in an api. but others not really , like sending support emails and what not
[22:07:53] <Foxandxss> l10n?
[22:08:06] <Foxandxss> you can send emails on the backend
[22:08:24] <CanyonMan> so Foxandxss I never said thanks for the encouragement considering webpack (I was entrenched in system.js at the time) and I meant to. It's working on pretty well, and I'm using the angular-cli@webpack beta and having very few issues.
[22:08:30] <HS^> yes but the idea would you would need to expose it for angularjs right
[22:08:42] <Foxandxss> yes, works nice
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[22:08:50] <Foxandxss> expose what?
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[22:09:26] <CanyonMan> It really does, and very low effort. I do have a request in (so do about 100 other people) to give you a way to extend webpack.config.js since the cli is already using webpack-merge and they say they're considering it
[22:09:38] <HS^> like if i make a website, i think of business logic, and stuff around it.. stuff around it is email systems, news, blogs whatever
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[22:09:56] <HS^> would you expose those extra things in a restful service now?
[22:10:18] <Foxandxss> say you have a contact form
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[22:10:24] <HS^> right
[22:10:27] <Foxandxss> you present it in angular, you get the name, email and content
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[22:10:35] <Foxandxss> and you send it to a endpoint in your restful service
[22:10:40] <HS^> yes
[22:10:42] <Foxandxss> and there you validate the data and send the email
[22:11:00] <HS^> ok i guess that would work fine.
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[22:11:05] <Foxandxss> sure
[22:11:12] <HS^> then my issues are translating the website, and url rewrites
[22:11:19] <CanyonMan> One thing I haven't solved yet is that it seems like if core-js is already there I should be able to use it more easily but I wasn't able to figure out how to get the @types to let me do things like create a Map<string, Something> complete with types
[22:11:23] <Foxandxss> there are libraries to do translation in the angular
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[22:11:41] <HS^> in php you can have a single point of entry index.php?page=whatever, and make one rewrite rule
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[22:12:08] <da_wunder> HS^: i really recommend that you separate your back- and frontends
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[22:12:21] <HS^> how so?
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[22:12:38] <da_wunder> eg. api.foobar.com == backend, and www.foobar.com == frontend
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[22:12:58] <HS^> stupid mirc , sorry about that
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[22:13:05] <da_wunder> because frontend is just static html + css + js
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[22:13:07] <da_wunder> nothing else
[22:13:12] <HS^> no
[22:13:21] <HS^> it needs translation, and url rewrites
[22:13:34] <da_wunder> HS^: let me show you an example
[22:13:46] <HS^> which he way im used to id do it in php or any markup language
[22:14:06] <HS^> if id do that in angularjs youd get seo issues as well?
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[22:14:59] <HS^> ok?
[22:15:04] <HS^> so frontend would be php?
[22:15:08] <da_wunder> no
[22:15:12] <HS^> or any script languagE?
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[22:15:40] <HS^> im just confused. im hoping to be able to get rid of php, and be able to program frontend html/css/angularjs, and backend in restful java
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[22:16:12] <da_wunder> and with separated front- and backends you can do that
[22:16:26] <da_wunder> frontend does not care what language the backend is using
[22:16:33] <da_wunder> it just consumes the API
[22:16:35] <HS^> yes
[22:17:08] <da_wunder> and same with the backend, it doesn't care who or what consumes the API
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[22:17:16] <HS^> true
[22:17:39] <da_wunder> and same goes for developers too
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[22:17:46] <HS^> ok true
[22:17:57] <da_wunder> backend coders doesn't care what frontend coders do and vice versa
[22:18:11] <da_wunder> so just separate those two sides totally
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[22:18:36] <HS^> im just confused about frontend then, how can you do urlrewrites elegantly with just plan html/javacript
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[22:18:57] <da_wunder> HS^: eg. with ui-router
[22:19:01] <HS^> would you make a new rewrite rule for every single url?
[22:19:14] <da_wunder> it is in the angular code
[22:19:45] <HS^> thanks i havent heard of that yet
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[22:20:08] <HS^> and one more concern, translation of text. that wont be seo friendly im assuming?
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[22:22:05] <da_wunder> personally i don't do any "public" applications with angular so haven't tested those all
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[22:22:12] <da_wunder> but there is solutions for those
[22:22:24] <HS^> ok
[22:22:46] <da_wunder> just use little bit google and time and you will find the "correct" answers
[22:22:51] <HS^> maybe for frontpage/seo friendly page its still better to use a preprocessor
[22:22:56] <swag> da_wunder how can you organize so well those md-grid-tile?
[22:22:56] <da_wunder> or "choices" that you have to evaluate
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[22:23:18] <da_wunder> swag: that is just pure angular-material
[22:23:23] <swag> it's kind weird the way to organize the layout with material than bootstrap..I found bootstrap layout easy
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[22:23:38] <swag> I mean..the columns.
[22:23:43] <swag> ok
[22:23:51] <da_wunder> swag: and the code is in github, so you can look that there
[22:23:56] <swag> cool
[22:24:43] <swag> thanks
[22:24:45] <da_wunder> and you all can also login that site
[22:24:52] <da_wunder> just use admin / admin credentials
[22:25:17] <da_wunder> authentication is made with JWT + support of refresh tokens
[22:26:39] <swag> and sequelize right?
[22:26:49] <swag> :P
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[22:27:14] <da_wunder> sequelize ?
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[22:29:17] <swag> naa forget it
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[22:35:04] <CanyonMan> How do you actually deploy something you built with angular-cli@webpack? It's deployed to a subpath on a web server but all the generated paths seem to be absolute, so I tcan't load anything ... inline.js polyfills.bundle.js main.bundle.js
[22:35:51] <da_wunder> "npm run build" command will make static version of that
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[22:36:25] <CanyonMan> I built it with angular-cli
[22:36:36] <da_wunder> ok, so ng2
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[22:37:27] <da_wunder> for that question you could get better response from official ng2 chat, which is in gitter
[22:37:40] <CanyonMan> k
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[22:42:13] <dman777_alter> does anyone use angular-material? I am trying to find the documentation for class="md-toolbar-tools" but I am not seeing it
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[22:46:39] <da_wunder> dman777_alter: angular material webpages are good resource
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<dman777_alter> da_wunder: is md-toolbar-tools listed on https://material.angularjs.org? I am not finding it. I only knew about it from looking at code examples.
[22:48:16] <dman777_alter> da_wunder: there is no documentation for md-toolbar-tools and no litsing for it ether.
[22:48:43] <da_wunder> examples
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[22:49:23] <dman777_alter> da_wunder: yes, that is how I found out about it. But there should be documentation on it. It makes wonder what else I might be missing if it's not included in code examples. Also, a explanation is always nice.
[22:49:29] <da_wunder> see that <md-toolbar> should have div element with that class
[22:49:31] <swag> copy and past the example and modify it. Also use some plugin snnipet for your favorite editor :p that's what I did
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[22:49:56] <da_wunder> as the docs points you
[22:50:00] <swag> yeah I think the same dman77_alter
[22:50:51] <dman777_alter> da_wunder: Polymer's material design elements give full documentation and list all attributes, in addition to code examples. This would be the normal standard.
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[22:51:10] <da_wunder> dman777_alter: then create an issue to the repo
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[22:51:26] <da_wunder> i haven't seen any problems with that
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[22:52:43] <da_wunder> all that code is in github, so you could easily make an issue, adds some +1 for existing PR or make new PR to cover that issue
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[22:53:50] <swag1> agreee
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[22:58:55] <dman777_alter> da_wunder: I'm a developer that was told to use angular and angular metarial. I'm not coming into this wanting to develop for angular material, I have my hands full already.
[22:59:21] <da_wunder> dman777_alter: welcome to OS world
[22:59:23] <da_wunder> :D
[22:59:33] <da_wunder> if you want to improve something, do it
[23:00:01] <da_wunder> if not, just stay calm
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[23:00:39] <dman777_alter> lol...cool
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[23:01:03] <da_wunder> dman777_alter: personally i don't see any problems in that
[23:01:08] <da_wunder> dman777_alter: what is your problem ?
[23:01:30] <da_wunder> if it's time, then just make an issue and wait IF someone answers that
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[23:02:26] <da_wunder> if not, study that yourself and when you know how it works - ask yourself the question would i make a PR to provide all my information to others too OR should i just be quiet
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[23:03:05] <da_wunder> and if you choose to be quiet, so can also many others who are contributing these projects
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[23:03:14] <da_wunder> which _you_ use without any charge
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[23:04:28] <da_wunder> tl;dr be active in os community, if you see a problem create issue, try to study it, if you know what is "wrong" create a PR
[23:04:31] <dman777_alter> da_wunder: what is your problem? I didn't mean that offensively.... when I said 'lol...cool' I meant that in good nature and I was in agreemnet. Back off
[23:04:55] <da_wunder> i just said some facts
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[23:05:38] <da_wunder> and when i was pointing that _you_ was the problem ?
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[23:09:59] <davidw> dman777_alter, similar situation; stuck with Angular
[23:10:37] <swag> you are stuck with md-toolbar too?
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[23:11:05] <da_wunder> still i haven't hear the actual problem with that
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[23:11:15] <da_wunder> or seen any examples of that problem
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[23:11:25] <dman777_alter> da_wunder: my problem is the documentation for angular-material is incomplete
[23:11:53] <swag> yeah we understand dman777 but real life is that you have to sit down and play with the code.
[23:12:03] <da_wunder> ok, then you should create an issue about that
[23:12:05] <swag> copy the example and modifiy it...
[23:12:13] <da_wunder> or create a PR to complete those docs
[23:12:14] <swag> yeah as well create an issue
[23:12:15] <dman777_alter> davidw: I love Angular 1.*, just not happy with incomplete documentation for angular-material. Although, my first choice is polymer personally for material design.
[23:12:29] <swag> ok cool xD
[23:12:36] <dman777_alter> da_wunder: but I have no interest in developing for angular-material
[23:12:53] <da_wunder> then you must live with that problem
[23:13:04] <swag> jjejeje
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[23:13:23] <dman777_alter> da_wunder: yes, and that is what I am doing. Your continueing something I long ago accepted.
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[23:15:38] <davidw> how can I test whether an element gets a certain class added to it in tests?
[23:15:52] <da_wunder> and not in the common angular channel
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[23:16:09] <dman777_alter> da_wunder: cool, thanks
[23:16:13] <da_wunder> np
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