July 5, 2019 
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July 5, 2019 [00:02:30] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:05:49] <mirv_> yes, it's 1.1[00:11:44] <baldurk> and just to check, if you have the viewport non-inverted your draws show up just the wrong way up? so you've narrowed it down to just the inversion going wrong[00:12:04] <mirv_> yep[00:14:39] <mirv_> worse, I flip gl_Position.y in the shader, and same thing: nothing shown[00:15:30] <baldurk> not sure what might be wrong then. I'd suggest trying to debug in increments, like set the viewport to something small in the centre of the output target so you can verify the flipping behaviour and see if maybe the origin calculation is wrong or something like that[00:16:58] <Ralith> renderdoc's mesh intput/output debugging is extremely helpful for sorting out transforms[00:17:21] <Ralith> since you can see the results even if they're incoherent or offscreen[00:17:47] <mirv_> before I do that, I'll do the obvious and enable the extension regardless[00:19:08] <mirv_> ...yeah that doesn't work in a rather spectacular fashion[00:22:10] *** pa <pa!~pa@unaffiliated/pa> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[00:23:45] *** pa <pa!~pa@unaffiliated/pa> has joined ##vulkan[00:25:55] <mirv_> will the scissor need changing as well?[00:26:55] <mirv_> I thought it didn't, but I'll give that a go[00:30:14] <Ralith> try getting it working with a conventional viewport and an axis flip in the shader first[00:34:51] <mirv_> tried that too, no-go[00:35:06] <mirv_> which I really don't understand[00:36:08] <Ralith> yes, I would focus on getting that working first[00:42:28] <mirv_> starting to think it's related to glfw3 somehow[00:43:10] <Ralith> unlikely[00:47:50] *** salamanderrake <salamanderrake!~quassel@2605:a000:122a:20c3:50c:7163:31f0:ebe4> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[00:48:18] *** salamanderrake <salamanderrake!~quassel@2605:a000:122a:10e:d0d3:636e:506:7694> has joined ##vulkan[01:03:51] *** ciaala <ciaala!~crypt@2a02:120b:2c1f:5f40:6ef0:49ff:feee:4777> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[01:10:59] <mirv_> it's almost like it's clearing attachments[01:11:29] <Illya> hmm. How else do you guys debug rendering issues? I'm trying to setup vertex buffers for the first time and nothing is displaying but there are no errors. I tried renderdoc but it just showed an FPS counter and nothing in the actual application itself (didnt seem to have any issues loading vulkan though, I checked the logs)[01:11:39] <mirv_> renderdoc is showing everything should be correct, in theory[01:18:49] <Ralith> you have to tell renderdoc to capture a frame, and then inspect the capture[01:18:51] <baldurk> Illya: did you make a capture?[01:20:04] <mirv_> excuse me why I smack my head repeatedly over my own stupidity[01:20:15] <Ralith> ^^[01:20:31] <mirv_> flip the coords, it flips the culling direction[01:21:02] <mirv_> and that I thought I'd tested, but it was actually ignoring something by accident[01:25:20] <Illya> ah. I had to take a few captures looks like[01:26:46] *** LunarJetman <LunarJetman!LunarJetma@94.14.216.120> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[01:28:34] <Illya> baldurk: thanks, trying it again seemed to just fix it[01:28:42] <Illya> can see why other people recommended this program[01:29:15] <baldurk> :)[01:41:24] <Illya> baldurk: oh wait it's your program :o[01:41:24] <Illya> nice[02:09:47] *** cheakoirccloud <cheakoirccloud!uid293319@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-emsprzwwpgnvnjjq> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[02:30:31] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7muz0p3o58sc34.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[04:14:02] *** slime <slime!~slime73@blk-215-81-93.eastlink.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[04:36:48] *** penguin42 <penguin42!~dg@cpc109017-salf6-2-0-cust428.10-2.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:55:51] *** saint_go <saint_go!~textual@135-23-210-183.cpe.pppoe.ca> has joined ##vulkan[06:21:53] *** pa <pa!~pa@unaffiliated/pa> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[06:25:45] *** pa <pa!~pa@unaffiliated/pa> has joined ##vulkan[06:37:45] *** saint_go <saint_go!~textual@135-23-210-183.cpe.pppoe.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[07:54:11] *** LunarJetman <LunarJetman!LunarJetma@94.14.216.120> has joined ##vulkan[08:09:28] *** LunarJetman <LunarJetman!LunarJetma@94.14.216.120> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[08:16:16] *** Andrej1 <Andrej1!~Andrej@BSN-143-210-205.dynamic.siol.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[08:27:26] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7muz0p3o58sc34.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has joined ##vulkan[08:31:40] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7muz0p3o58sc34.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[08:37:12] <ville> can someone explain this <comment> to me: https://github.com/KhronosGroup/Vulkan-Docs/blob/8897c572ce5473486bb92e3ab9574a5f130794c3/xml/vk.xml#L5095 where are these used?[08:41:40] <ville> quick grep through vulkan headers only shows the enum is defined but the type is not referenced elsewhere[09:31:19] *** ipe <ipe!~ipe@91-156-247-55.elisa-laajakaista.fi> has joined ##vulkan[09:35:13] *** cheakoirccloud <cheakoirccloud!uid293319@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rgbuuqwuechhbzov> has joined ##vulkan[10:12:06] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!c351a8d8@195.81.168.216> has joined ##vulkan[10:31:49] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!c351a8d8@195.81.168.216> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:33:07] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!c351a8d8@195.81.168.216> has joined ##vulkan[10:57:10] *** ville <ville!~ville@212-149-214-47.bb.dnainternet.fi> has quit IRC (Quit:)[11:10:33] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has joined ##vulkan[11:59:55] *** bpmedley <bpmedley!~bpm@2600:1700:eb20:6050:18e3:7772:987a:85ea> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[12:32:37] *** ipe <ipe!~ipe@91-156-247-55.elisa-laajakaista.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[12:34:07] *** ipe <ipe!~ipe@91-156-247-55.elisa-laajakaista.fi> has joined ##vulkan[12:38:47] *** ipe <ipe!~ipe@91-156-247-55.elisa-laajakaista.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[12:39:13] *** ipe <ipe!~ipe@91-156-247-55.elisa-laajakaista.fi> has joined ##vulkan[12:42:29] *** Lucretia <Lucretia!~Luke@pdpc/supporter/active/lucretia> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[12:57:25] *** cheakoirccloud <cheakoirccloud!uid293319@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rgbuuqwuechhbzov> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[13:10:27] *** slime <slime!~slime73@blk-215-81-93.eastlink.ca> has joined ##vulkan[13:47:02] *** penguin42 <penguin42!~dg@cpc109017-salf6-2-0-cust428.10-2.cable.virginm.net> has joined ##vulkan[14:10:00] *** MatSharrow <MatSharrow!~matthew@3.21.115.87.dyn.plus.net> has joined ##vulkan[15:02:18] *** Lucretia <Lucretia!~Luke@pdpc/supporter/active/lucretia> has joined ##vulkan[15:21:14] *** Lucretia <Lucretia!~Luke@pdpc/supporter/active/lucretia> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[15:35:33] *** HZun <HZun!~HZun@0x3ec721e2.osd.customer.dk.telia.net> has joined ##vulkan[15:55:06] *** ipee <ipee!~ipe@91-156-247-55.elisa-laajakaista.fi> has joined ##vulkan[15:58:25] *** ipe <ipe!~ipe@91-156-247-55.elisa-laajakaista.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[17:03:27] *** RicardasSim <RicardasSim!~RicardasS@78-63-172-44.static.zebra.lt> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[18:01:55] *** R2robot <R2robot!~R2robot@unaffiliated/r2ro> has quit IRC (Quit: Pull the lever, Kronk. 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