June 30, 2019 
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June 30, 2019 [00:08:45] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:26:31] *** emersont1 <emersont1!~emersont1@2a00:23c5:2e3b:dc00:591a:20c6:b6f6:a4a9> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:27:05] *** emersont1 <emersont1!~emersont1@2a00:23c5:2e3b:dc00:591a:20c6:b6f6:a4a9> has joined ##vulkan[00:32:13] *** emersont1 <emersont1!~emersont1@2a00:23c5:2e3b:dc00:591a:20c6:b6f6:a4a9> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[00:52:09] *** SolderBlob2 <SolderBlob2!~SolderBlo@095-097-091-123.static.chello.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[02:56:17] *** LunarJetman <LunarJetman!LunarJetma@0547857b.skybroadband.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[03:17:07] *** saint_go <saint_go!~textual@135-23-210-183.cpe.pppoe.ca> has joined ##vulkan[03:17:48] *** Andrej1 <Andrej1!~Andrej@BSN-143-210-205.dynamic.siol.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[03:26:39] *** Karyon <Karyon!~Karyon@unaffiliated/karyon> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in)[03:28:24] *** Karyon <Karyon!~Karyon@unaffiliated/karyon> has joined ##vulkan[03:35:40] *** LunarJetman <LunarJetman!LunarJetma@94.14.216.120> has joined ##vulkan[03:56:16] *** felipealmeida <felipealmeida!~user@191.191.10.198> has joined ##vulkan[03:57:29] <felipealmeida> hi, I'm using a intel iris gpu and I can't seem to find a way to enable VK_EXT_image_drm_format_modifier[03:58:25] <felipealmeida> it doesnt show in he device extensions nor for instance[03:58:39] <felipealmeida> how do i enable it?[03:58:46] <felipealmeida> for mesa[04:00:09] <felipealmeida> is this the right way to list modifiers?[04:00:31] <felipealmeida> or am I missing something?[04:02:59] <felipealmeida> Im using VkDrmFormatModifierPropertiesListEXT in pNext for VkFormatProperties2 passed to vkGetPhysicalDeviceFormatProperties2[04:03:06] <felipealmeida> but 0 modifiers is returned[04:12:59] *** felipealmeida <felipealmeida!~user@191.191.10.198> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[04:13:33] *** felipealmeida <felipealmeida!~user@191.191.10.198> has joined ##vulkan[04:15:07] *** saint_go <saint_go!~textual@135-23-210-183.cpe.pppoe.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[04:16:22] <felipealmeida> hi. how do I enable VkDrmFormatModifierPropertiesListEXT. I cant find extension in device and instance VK_EXT_image_drm_format_modifier. Im using intel iris gen 9[04:18:52] *** penguin42 <penguin42!~dg@cpc109017-salf6-2-0-cust428.10-2.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:22:50] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7mjm0osmpp3h7a.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[04:23:53] <felipealmeida> is it not enabled for intel?[04:47:28] <Ralith> if your system does not report support for an extension, it is probably because it does not have support for that extension[04:58:30] <felipealmeida> but it supports dma_buf_immport[04:58:45] <felipealmeida> how touse that without modifier support?[04:59:24] <felipealmeida> VK_EXT_external_memory_dma_buf[05:00:52] *** LunarJetman <LunarJetman!LunarJetma@94.14.216.120> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[05:01:27] *** felipealmeida <felipealmeida!~user@191.191.10.198> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:52:26] *** DrGonzo <DrGonzo!~DrGonzo@modemcable080.164-57-74.mc.videotron.ca> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[06:58:56] *** mandeep <mandeep!mandeep@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mandeepb> has joined ##vulkan[07:30:49] *** slime <slime!~slime73@blk-215-81-93.eastlink.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[07:48:28] *** R2robot <R2robot!~R2robot@unaffiliated/r2ro> has quit IRC (Quit: Pull the lever, Kronk. Wrong leverrrrrrr!)[07:49:15] *** R2robot <R2robot!~R2robot@unaffiliated/r2ro> has joined ##vulkan[08:22:06] *** mandeep <mandeep!mandeep@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mandeepb> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[10:59:18] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has joined ##vulkan[11:05:41] *** Deluxe_ <Deluxe_!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has joined ##vulkan[11:28:13] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7mjm0osmpp3h7a.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has joined ##vulkan[11:35:11] *** Andrej1 <Andrej1!~Andrej@BSN-143-210-205.dynamic.siol.net> has joined ##vulkan[11:35:57] *** ImQ009 <ImQ009!~ImQ009@unaffiliated/imq009> has joined ##vulkan[11:37:03] *** Deluxe_ <Deluxe_!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[11:37:30] *** Deluxe_ <Deluxe_!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has joined ##vulkan[11:45:51] *** Deluxe_ <Deluxe_!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:47:36] *** Deluxe_ <Deluxe_!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has joined ##vulkan[11:51:34] *** Deluxe_ <Deluxe_!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:39:52] *** LunarJetman <LunarJetman!LunarJetma@94.14.216.120> has joined ##vulkan[12:42:06] *** Deluxe_ <Deluxe_!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has joined ##vulkan[12:43:05] *** Deluxe_ <Deluxe_!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:35:05] *** penguin42 <penguin42!~dg@cpc109017-salf6-2-0-cust428.10-2.cable.virginm.net> has joined ##vulkan[13:43:56] *** RicardasSim <RicardasSim!~RicardasS@78-63-172-44.static.zebra.lt> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[17:18:10] *** Illya <Illya!~Illya@ffmpeg/developer/january> has joined ##vulkan[17:21:59] <Illya> do I have to use vkGetSwapchainImagesKHR() in order to get vkImages linked to the swapchain? I created my own but I get a 'There are only 0 imag[17:22:03] <Illya> es in this swapchain'[17:22:06] <Illya> error[17:23:12] <Illya> What am I missing in order to associate these images with the swapchain? (For contexted I had a simple triangle rendering fine with vkGetSwapchainImagesKHR() but I wanted to setup MSAA and the vkImages from the function only support 1_BIT)[17:24:18] <ratchetfreak> did you set the minImage field when creating the swapchain?[17:28:17] <Illya> ratchetfreak: yep. I set it to surfaceCapabilities.minImageCount + 1 https://git.itanimul.li/vkengine.git/tree/vk_swapchain.c#n167[17:28:46] <Illya> (linked the code since there's probably things I should have mentioned which I'm not and context is useful)[17:31:33] *** slime <slime!~slime73@blk-215-81-93.eastlink.ca> has joined ##vulkan[18:10:01] <baldurk> yes vkGetSwapchainImagesKHR() is the only way to get images associated with a swapchain, you can't create your own images and force-associate them with a swapchain[18:16:14] <Illya> baldurk: are you sure? just found this: https://www.khronos.org/registry/vulkan/specs/1.1-extensions/man/html/VkImageSwapchainCreateInfoKHR.html[18:17:51] <baldurk> that's from an extension VK_KHR_device_group that allows cross-GPU presentation[18:19:39] <Illya> right.[18:19:39] <bnieuwenhuizen> another pitfall: you need vkGetSwapchainImagesKHR to get the image count too, since the minImageCount you specify is only a minimum[18:20:26] <Illya> I'm a bit lost then[18:20:38] <Illya> if you cant use MSAA on vkGetSwapchainImagesKHR() images and you cant create your own[18:20:41] <Illya> how does it work[18:20:53] <bnieuwenhuizen> Illya: The WSI generally does not support MSAA[18:20:57] <baldurk> you can create your own MSAA images, but you don't associate them with the swapchain[18:21:08] <baldurk> you render to MSAA, then resolve into non-MSAA images (e.g. the swapchain images)[18:21:13] <bnieuwenhuizen> you have to create your own non-swapchain MSAA images, and then resolve them into the swapchian image[18:23:04] <Illya> ok, so I'd go back to using swapchain images to get the images themselves and count, create the same mount of my own vkimages, render to those and then vkCmdResolveImage() to the swapchain images?[18:23:13] <Illya> same amount*[18:23:33] <bnieuwenhuizen> I think you only need one MSAA image is most cases as you can reuse[18:23:46] <bnieuwenhuizen> assuming the rendering of multiple frames does not overlap[18:28:16] <Illya> thanks, think I should be able to do it now![18:34:16] *** emersont1 <emersont1!~emersont1@2a00:23c5:2e3b:dc00:591a:20c6:b6f6:a4a9> has joined ##vulkan[18:42:59] <fazias> think of MSAA as special format image, monitors don't display those so you need to Resolve the image and probably copy it straight to swapchain image[18:45:03] <fazias> This is another thing that drivers did for you before, now you have to take care of it yourself.[19:05:18] <Illya> I'm not coming with any prior knowledge, I've never used graphics APIs before Vulkan... everything is new[19:22:36] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7mjm0osmpp3h7a.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:24:10] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@d51A4BEAF.access.telenet.be> has joined ##vulkan[19:28:42] *** ville <ville!~ville@212-149-214-47.bb.dnainternet.fi> has quit IRC (Quit:)[19:43:24] <fazias> yeah, I kind of phrased that badly.[19:44:15] <turol> Illya: learning Vulkan as your first GPU API is not recommended[19:45:10] <Ralith> disagree[19:47:42] <Illya> turol: I figured it would actually be best since it's extremely explicit and you learn how everything really works rather than a bunch of abstractions[19:52:02] <Ralith> it's also very low on cruft, being a recent standard[19:58:43] <turol> lot of that low-level explicitness is things you don't need when you're a beginner[19:58:52] <turol> and they get in the way of learning[20:00:26] <Ralith> that depends what sort of beginner you are[20:00:35] <Ralith> if you're new to 3D graphics, you probably shouldn't be talking directly to a GPU driver at all[20:13:09] <derhass> I'm not sure if I really agree. if someone wants to go that route, I would not actively argue against it[20:14:48] *** emersont1 <emersont1!~emersont1@2a00:23c5:2e3b:dc00:591a:20c6:b6f6:a4a9> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:15:15] *** emersont1 <emersont1!~emersont1@2a00:23c5:2e3b:dc00:591a:20c6:b6f6:a4a9> has joined ##vulkan[20:16:00] <Illya> Who knows... I already decided I didn't want to learn OpenGL and I don't run Windows so I couldn't learn DirectX ¯\_(ツ)_/¯[20:17:10] <mirv_> learn what interests you - and keep at it[20:24:37] *** emersont1 <emersont1!~emersont1@2a00:23c5:2e3b:dc00:591a:20c6:b6f6:a4a9> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[20:29:06] *** emersont1 <emersont1!~emersont1@2a00:23c5:2e3b:dc00:591a:20c6:b6f6:a4a9> has joined ##vulkan[20:46:14] *** emersont1 <emersont1!~emersont1@2a00:23c5:2e3b:dc00:591a:20c6:b6f6:a4a9> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[20:54:57] *** emersont1 <emersont1!~emersont1@2a00:23c5:2e3b:dc00:591a:20c6:b6f6:a4a9> has joined ##vulkan[21:21:49] *** emersont1 <emersont1!~emersont1@2a00:23c5:2e3b:dc00:591a:20c6:b6f6:a4a9> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:05:10] *** ImQ009 <ImQ009!~ImQ009@unaffiliated/imq009> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:16:46] *** ryp <ryp!ryp@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/ryp> has joined ##vulkan[23:21:43] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)