June 27, 2018 
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June 27, 2018 [00:02:48] *** herbmillerjr <herbmillerjr!~herb@c-76-120-173-141.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> has joined ##vulkan[00:11:27] *** bpmedley <bpmedley!~bpm@c-24-72-144-115.ni.gigamonster.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:13:05] *** goiko <goiko!~goiko@unaffiliated/goiko> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:27:14] *** LanDi <LanDi!~landi@2804:7f7:2482:931e:f12e:1df0:3edb:2e07> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:28:20] *** mauz555 <mauz555!~mauz555@104.163.173.110> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:29:25] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host86-138-235-28.range86-138.btcentralplus.com> has joined ##vulkan[00:34:51] *** slime <slime!~slime73@blk-215-81-93.eastlink.ca> has joined ##vulkan[00:51:59] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@188-191-55-250.mirovka.net> has joined ##vulkan[00:53:11] *** MrFlibble <MrFlibble!MrFlibble@2.124.190.230> has joined ##vulkan[01:12:22] *** MrFlibble <MrFlibble!MrFlibble@2.124.190.230> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[01:23:43] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host86-138-235-28.range86-138.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[01:43:03] *** mauz555 <mauz555!~mauz555@104.163.173.110> has joined ##vulkan[01:48:05] *** mauz555 <mauz555!~mauz555@104.163.173.110> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[01:48:39] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@188-191-55-250.mirovka.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:55:01] *** derhass <derhass!~derhass@ipservice-092-208-158-056.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[02:01:10] *** halbeno <halbeno!~halbeno@S0106ac202ecc7933.ed.shawcable.net> has joined ##vulkan[02:31:34] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7l9r42569r41f4.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[03:10:48] *** mandeep <mandeep!~mandeep@unaffiliated/mandeepb> has joined ##vulkan[04:25:54] *** mauz555 <mauz555!~mauz555@104.163.173.110> has joined ##vulkan[04:49:01] *** slime <slime!~slime73@blk-215-81-93.eastlink.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[04:50:29] *** xissburg <xissburg!~xissburg@unaffiliated/xissburg> has joined ##vulkan[04:57:19] *** ville <ville!~ville@87-93-80-52.bb.dnainternet.fi> has joined ##vulkan[05:06:19] *** xissburg <xissburg!~xissburg@unaffiliated/xissburg> has quit IRC (Quit: ZZZzzz…)[05:15:29] *** mauz555 <mauz555!~mauz555@104.163.173.110> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:19:03] *** baldurk <baldurk!~baldurk@104.171.115.98> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[05:19:57] *** herbmillerjr <herbmillerjr!~herb@c-76-120-173-141.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[05:20:31] *** mauz555 <mauz555!~mauz555@104.163.173.110> has joined ##vulkan[05:26:22] *** baldurk <baldurk!~baldurk@104.171.115.98> has joined ##vulkan[05:32:39] *** xissburg <xissburg!~xissburg@unaffiliated/xissburg> has joined ##vulkan[05:49:50] *** sla_ro|master <sla_ro|master!~sla.ro@78.96.209.89> has joined ##vulkan[06:04:01] <Ralith> I have a spirv file generated by shaderc that passes spirv-val but generates an error in the validation layers (and later a segfault in the drivers)[06:06:23] <Ralith> wait, nvm, stupid mistake[06:09:39] *** mauz555 <mauz555!~mauz555@104.163.173.110> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:10:14] *** mauz555 <mauz555!~mauz555@104.163.173.110> has joined ##vulkan[06:12:58] *** sla_ro|master <sla_ro|master!~sla.ro@78.96.209.89> has quit IRC ()[06:14:45] *** mauz555 <mauz555!~mauz555@104.163.173.110> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[07:15:45] *** mandeep <mandeep!~mandeep@unaffiliated/mandeepb> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[07:16:00] *** mandeep <mandeep!mandeep@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mandeepb> has joined ##vulkan[07:27:24] *** realitix <realitix!~realitix@80.12.34.200> has joined ##vulkan[07:29:44] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host86-138-235-28.range86-138.btcentralplus.com> has joined ##vulkan[07:41:27] *** nsf <nsf!~nsf@jiss.convex.ru> has joined ##vulkan[07:47:09] *** paddy <paddy!31cf7c84@gateway/web/freenode/ip.49.207.124.132> has joined ##vulkan[07:47:24] <paddy> Hello All[07:50:19] <paddy> glfw library is not supported in Visual studio 2017[07:50:37] <paddy> Please guide me with suitable steps[07:52:07] *** GaneshSharma <GaneshSharma!31cf7c84@gateway/web/freenode/ip.49.207.124.132> has joined ##vulkan[08:01:00] *** realitix_ <realitix_!~realitix@176.187.142.100> has joined ##vulkan[08:04:39] *** realitix <realitix!~realitix@80.12.34.200> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[08:04:39] *** realitix_ is now known as realitix[08:09:20] *** neurre <neurre!~Timo@mobile-access-bcee00-121.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined ##vulkan[08:18:27] <Yaniel> it doesn't need any kind of special support[08:18:37] <Yaniel> it's just a normal library[08:31:10] *** xissburg <xissburg!~xissburg@unaffiliated/xissburg> has quit IRC (Quit: ZZZzzz…)[08:40:34] *** kenzierocks <kenzierocks!~kenzieroc@yes.quite.indeed.old.chap.it.is.kenzierocks.me> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[08:48:58] *** mandeep <mandeep!mandeep@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mandeepb> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[08:50:21] *** kenzierocks <kenzierocks!~kenzieroc@yes.quite.indeed.old.chap.it.is.kenzierocks.me> has joined ##vulkan[08:56:56] *** grouse <grouse!~grouse@83-233-9-2.cust.bredband2.com> has joined ##vulkan[08:57:24] *** GaneshSharma <GaneshSharma!31cf7c84@gateway/web/freenode/ip.49.207.124.132> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[09:01:47] *** BetaJester <BetaJester!~what@67.74.3.123.sta.dodo.net.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[09:05:25] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host86-138-235-28.range86-138.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[09:18:53] *** vertigo <vertigo!~chris@unaffiliated/anunnaki> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[09:21:06] *** BetaJester <BetaJester!~what@67.74.3.123.sta.dodo.net.au> has joined ##vulkan[09:21:17] *** thany <thany!~thany@188.75.83.82> has joined ##vulkan[09:22:04] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host86-138-235-28.range86-138.btcentralplus.com> has joined ##vulkan[09:23:55] *** borkr <borkr!~borkr@static130-244.mimer.net> has joined ##vulkan[09:24:22] *** vertigo <vertigo!~chris@c-174-59-176-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> has joined ##vulkan[09:41:20] *** borkr <borkr!~borkr@static130-244.mimer.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[09:53:18] <friden> im trying to find a good guideline of when to use dynamic uniform buffers and when to use push constants for the case when the data is less than 256 bytes, is there any general recommendation?[09:53:38] <friden> it will mosly be data that changes every frame, such as transforms etc[09:53:55] <friden> as i see it, there is 3 good alternatives:[09:54:05] <friden> 1. push constants, which put all the data in the command buffer[09:54:24] <friden> 2. dynamic uniforms + push constants, where i use push constants for indices to index into a larget dynamic uniform buffer[09:54:36] <Yaniel> push constants are meant for things like ubershaders AFAIK[09:54:40] <friden> 3. dynamic uniforms and then use decsciptors to offsets[09:55:04] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!c351a8d8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.81.168.216> has joined ##vulkan[09:56:09] *** thany <thany!~thany@188.75.83.82> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[09:56:13] <friden> Yaniel: i see[09:58:17] <friden> i've done similar things to this in opengl by using multiDrawIndirect and use the baseInstance field as an index into a larget uniform buffer[09:58:56] <friden> but the examples i've seen in vulkan actually uses a different draw call per mesh, with a desctiptor bind with the offset into the dynamic uniform buffer[09:59:30] <friden> is there a way to do it similar to opengl to reduce the number of draw calls, or is it prefferred to have many draw calls with offset descriptors between?[10:01:07] <sharpneli> You really don't need to reduce drawcalls in vulkan that much[10:02:22] <sharpneli> But you can do similar multidrawindirect in vulkan as you can in GL[10:06:53] <friden> ok, cool[10:07:10] <friden> thanks[10:07:38] <ratchetfreak> if the per-instance data isn't that large you can even put the data directly into the instance vertex buffer[10:08:03] <friden> yeah i've experimented with that too[10:08:07] <friden> in opengl[10:08:15] <ratchetfreak> though having only 16*4 components for both per-vertex and per-instance data is very limiting[10:08:48] <friden> is the instance vertex buffer limited to 16*4 components?[10:09:31] <ratchetfreak> on most platforms you can only have 16 attributes which are shared between per-vertex and per-instance[10:09:47] <ratchetfreak> each of those 16 attributes can have up to 4 components[10:10:28] <friden> i see[10:10:52] <friden> 8 of those would be gone for transforms and history transforms for me, so yeah, its a bit limiting[10:12:46] <ratchetfreak> compression can help, for example if it's only uniform scale, rotation and translation you can pack quaternion+vec3+scale into 2 attributes and pass that per transform[10:14:01] <friden> yeah, and i would get rid of alot of the matrix computations from the cpu. i profiled a case yesterday where a large portion of the frame was to compute the rotation matrices for all instances on the cpu[10:25:32] <friden> also, has there been any news about RTX for Vulkan? I heard Nvidia was communicating with Khronos about getting something into core Vulkan for general ray tracing support?[10:26:08] <friden> with general i mean not nvidia specific extension[10:39:52] *** goiko <goiko!~goiko@p5DEB7B42.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined ##vulkan[10:39:52] *** goiko <goiko!~goiko@p5DEB7B42.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Changing host)[10:39:52] *** goiko <goiko!~goiko@unaffiliated/goiko> has joined ##vulkan[10:54:46] *** bpmedley <bpmedley!~bpm@c-24-72-144-115.ni.gigamonster.net> has joined ##vulkan[11:17:43] *** thany <thany!~thany@188.75.83.82> has joined ##vulkan[11:27:32] <sharpneli> friden: No news yet. Coming Eventually(tm)[11:33:37] <thany> friden: this totally vendor dependent, you have to benchmark it on your target devices, like this guy: http://kylehalladay.com/blog/tutorial/vulkan/2017/08/13/Vulkan-Uniform-Buffers.html, the sad part of when you what to this type of works (e.g. benchmarking, tests) you have to write lot of codes in Vulkan, I personally sometimes prefer to ask somebody rather than test it myself[11:43:48] <neurre> anyone used C++ Class Interface to glslang?[11:44:10] <neurre> how does one get spirv with it?[11:45:21] *** alexge50 <alexge50!~alexge50@5-12-204-217.residential.rdsnet.ro> has joined ##vulkan[11:57:58] <sharpneli> I cannot get validation layers to work with the new SDK[11:58:02] <sharpneli> Nothing is printed to stderr[11:58:13] <sharpneli> I implemented the debugcallback, no messages.[12:05:09] <neurre> nvm I found GlslangToSpv()[12:13:14] <friden> thany: interesting post, thank you[12:17:40] *** thany <thany!~thany@188.75.83.82> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[12:31:10] *** realitix <realitix!~realitix@176.187.142.100> has quit IRC (Quit: realitix)[12:53:30] *** Amadiro <Amadiro!~Amadiro@v220100555393154.yourvserver.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds))[12:54:26] *** Ident <Ident!~Ident@unaffiliated/ident> has quit IRC (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)[12:55:49] *** Amadiro <Amadiro!~Amadiro@v220100555393154.yourvserver.net> has joined ##vulkan[12:57:04] *** Ident <Ident!~Ident@unaffiliated/ident> has joined ##vulkan[13:03:10] *** slime <slime!~slime73@blk-215-81-93.eastlink.ca> has joined ##vulkan[13:03:27] *** goiko <goiko!~goiko@unaffiliated/goiko> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[13:10:40] *** goiko <goiko!~goiko@unaffiliated/goiko> has joined ##vulkan[13:16:20] *** borkr <borkr!~borkr@static130-244.mimer.net> has joined ##vulkan[13:19:29] *** slime <slime!~slime73@blk-215-81-93.eastlink.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[13:37:46] *** ishan_ <ishan_!~ishan@2409:4053:781:ac26:2f34:2a9e:1e82:b6c> has joined ##vulkan[13:38:44] *** ishan_ <ishan_!~ishan@2409:4053:781:ac26:2f34:2a9e:1e82:b6c> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:01:35] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host86-138-235-28.range86-138.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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