June 25, 2018 
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June 25, 2018 [00:01:07] *** Deluxe_ <Deluxe_!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has joined ##vulkan[00:04:17] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[00:04:33] *** Nirtal <Nirtal!~Nirtal@sorlag.xaz.se> has joined ##vulkan[00:06:46] <Nirtal> is there some basic vulkan test app that I can download to simply verify that rendering with vulkan is working?[00:07:14] <ratchetfreak> vulkaninfo should reveal that a driver can be found[00:07:26] <ratchetfreak> and there is a cube demo in the SDK[00:08:59] <derhass> maybe I should write a vkgears[00:09:04] <Nirtal> does vulkaninfo accualy show something rendered?[00:09:07] <Nirtal> For cube I only find source code of demo apps like that[00:09:10] <derhass> that is, if no one else already did this[00:10:21] <ratchetfreak> no it only creates an instance and queries the devices[00:29:35] *** ector <ector!~asdf@ua-85-224-236-175.bbcust.telenor.se> has quit IRC ()[00:32:26] *** Deluxe_ <Deluxe_!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:47:23] *** sharpneli <sharpneli!sharpneli@hilla.kapsi.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[00:54:52] *** salamanderrake <salamanderrake!~quassel@cpe-24-165-202-54.neo.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:01:48] *** salamanderrake <salamanderrake!~quassel@cpe-24-165-202-54.neo.res.rr.com> has joined ##vulkan[01:04:42] *** sharpneli <sharpneli!sharpneli@hilla.kapsi.fi> has joined ##vulkan[01:35:23] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7l9r42569r41f4.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[02:09:14] *** MrFlibble <MrFlibble!MrFlibble2@2.122.46.64> has quit IRC (Quit: MrFlibble)[02:13:24] *** Salek <Salek!~salek@91-155-9-229.elisa-laajakaista.fi> has joined ##vulkan[02:15:01] *** salek_ <salek_!~salek@91-155-9-229.elisa-laajakaista.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[02:34:58] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host86-138-235-28.range86-138.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[03:48:02] <Yaniel> derhass: sasha willems did IIRC[04:08:21] *** kasumi-owari <kasumi-owari!~kasumi-ow@ftth-213-233-237-007.solcon.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[04:11:20] *** kasumi-owari <kasumi-owari!~kasumi-ow@ftth-213-233-237-007.solcon.nl> has joined ##vulkan[04:32:38] *** Salek <Salek!~salek@91-155-9-229.elisa-laajakaista.fi> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[04:47:30] *** slime <slime!~slime73@blk-215-81-93.eastlink.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[05:37:39] *** mauz555 <mauz555!~mauz555@104.163.173.110> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[05:39:13] *** mauz555 <mauz555!~mauz555@104.163.173.110> has joined ##vulkan[05:44:10] *** mauz555 <mauz555!~mauz555@104.163.173.110> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[05:45:10] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has joined ##vulkan[05:47:30] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:53:14] <dyl> I don’t know Sascha.[05:53:19] <dyl> But I do know I owe him a beer[05:53:28] <dyl> His GitHub repositories have been infinitely helpful.[05:53:43] <dyl> Or at least, a very high level of finitely helpful[05:54:41] <dyl> I refer currently mostly to the official samples, Sascha’s samples, turol‘a smaa demo, and the tutorial.[05:55:29] <dyl> I have shamelessly ripped off Sascha Willems debug report and marker code[05:55:43] <dyl> Well, not shamelessly. I did include a license acknowledgement.[05:56:09] <dyl> Anyone whose code I find particularly instructive I tack onto my LICENSE.[05:56:44] <dyl> turol: when I publish what I’m working on that means you will be getting an acknowledgement :).[05:56:54] *** mauz555 <mauz555!~mauz555@104.163.173.110> has joined ##vulkan[05:57:00] *** mauz555 <mauz555!~mauz555@104.163.173.110> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:57:36] <dyl> turol: https://github.com/DylanLukes/VkMOL/blob/master/LICENSE.md[05:57:40] <dyl> You’re already up there![05:58:44] *** mauz555 <mauz555!~mauz555@104.163.173.110> has joined ##vulkan[05:58:54] <dyl> I intend (when finished) to publish the engine in a conference proceeding, so you can preemptively chalk a published acknowledgement up.[05:58:59] <dyl> Thank you.[05:59:33] <dyl> (Majority of vide so far isn’t pushed yet though)[05:59:37] <dyl> code*[06:00:14] <dyl> And to the rest of you in this channel, you’re humbly acknowledged as well on my README.[06:00:54] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has joined ##vulkan[06:01:20] <dyl> I believe in accreditation where it’s due.[06:02:52] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[06:08:16] *** mauz555 <mauz555!~mauz555@104.163.173.110> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:19:51] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has joined ##vulkan[06:36:02] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[07:31:49] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7l9r42569r41f4.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has joined ##vulkan[07:34:18] *** nsf <nsf!~nsf@jiss.convex.ru> has joined ##vulkan[07:36:02] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7l9r42569r41f4.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[08:07:34] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@2001:67c:1220:80e:e9:1d2:f14f:e47f> has joined ##vulkan[08:45:54] *** xissburg <xissburg!~xissburg@unaffiliated/xissburg> has quit IRC (Quit: ZZZzzz…)[09:18:26] *** grouse <grouse!~grouse@83-233-9-2.cust.bredband2.com> has joined ##vulkan[09:20:01] *** realitix <realitix!~realitix@92.103.166.6> has joined ##vulkan[09:23:42] <neure> i greatly disliked the cube example debug handler dirty C string stuff[09:24:32] <neure> even the C++ version used the same garbage[09:39:17] *** glYoda <glYoda!~MTLYoda@c-73-25-27-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[09:40:38] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host86-138-235-28.range86-138.btcentralplus.com> has joined ##vulkan[09:46:27] *** [xyzzy] <[xyzzy]!~xyzzy@ip68-97-128-232.ok.ok.cox.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[09:51:31] *** cramalho <cramalho!~cramalho@179.191.118.186> has joined ##vulkan[09:52:20] *** [xyzzy] <[xyzzy]!~xyzzy@2600:8803:e401:4300:da78:837:9f42:a5a4> has joined ##vulkan[09:59:36] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!c351a8d8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.81.168.216> has joined ##vulkan[10:01:59] *** glYoda <glYoda!~MTLYoda@c-73-25-27-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net> has joined ##vulkan[10:02:13] *** goiko <goiko!~goiko@unaffiliated/goiko> has quit IRC (Quit: ﴾͡๏̯͡๏﴿ O'RLY? Bye!)[10:03:23] *** glYoda <glYoda!~MTLYoda@c-73-25-27-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[10:04:24] *** glYoda <glYoda!~MTLYoda@c-73-25-27-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net> has joined ##vulkan[10:07:02] *** goiko <goiko!~goiko@p5DEB7B42.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined ##vulkan[10:07:02] *** goiko <goiko!~goiko@p5DEB7B42.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Changing host)[10:07:02] *** goiko <goiko!~goiko@unaffiliated/goiko> has joined ##vulkan[10:11:40] <sharpneli> fazias: The trace is really interesting. There is a command packet in the queue but driver stalls for 2ms before actually making it run. Reminds me of previous issues with AMD where semaphores would signal only when you call vkqueuesubmit after they have been signaled on the gpu previously.[10:11:50] <sharpneli> "fix" for that was to spam submit on AMD.[10:12:16] <sharpneli> Which is funny as the spec recommends not to spam submit.[10:15:01] <neure> you talking about windows driver?[10:15:12] <neure> have you checked what the open source driver does?[10:15:49] <sharpneli> Windows yes.[10:15:53] <sharpneli> And nope[10:16:24] <neure> could show up something[10:17:03] <sharpneli> No idea if this tool even works with those[10:20:27] *** glYoda <glYoda!~MTLYoda@c-73-25-27-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[10:31:05] *** cramalho <cramalho!~cramalho@179.191.118.186> has quit IRC (Quit: cramalho)[10:31:26] *** cramalho <cramalho!~cramalho@179.191.118.186> has joined ##vulkan[10:35:54] *** cramalho <cramalho!~cramalho@179.191.118.186> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[10:36:24] *** cramalho <cramalho!~cramalho@186.231.102.28> has joined ##vulkan[11:11:37] *** M6HZ <M6HZ!~M6HZ@mar75-4-82-230-46-11.fbx.proxad.net> has joined ##vulkan[12:22:29] *** talin <talin!~talin@unaffiliated/talin> has joined ##vulkan[12:22:42] *** talin <talin!~talin@unaffiliated/talin> has left ##vulkan[13:03:22] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host86-138-235-28.range86-138.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[13:05:18] *** slime <slime!~slime73@blk-215-81-93.eastlink.ca> has joined ##vulkan[13:21:08] <fazias> sharpneli: :)[13:21:45] *** slime <slime!~slime73@blk-215-81-93.eastlink.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[13:41:17] *** psychicist__ <psychicist__!~psychicis@5356A22B.cm-6-7c.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined ##vulkan[13:46:23] <sharpneli> It is mysterious. On high FPS AMD runs a frame for 6ms, then pauses for 2ms, then another frame etc. On low fps it does not exhibit this behaviour.[13:46:44] <sharpneli> Tried submit spam. Tried splitting submissions into many submit commands and that only made it slower.[13:46:53] <sharpneli> Got a RX480 here.[13:55:24] <fazias> Have you inspected if increasing swapchain image count would matter?[14:03:04] <sharpneli> Yup. Doesn't matter.[14:03:20] <sharpneli> It's already high. And as can be seen from the profiler there is a workpackage waiting to be executed[14:03:39] <sharpneli> We can pile up the queued work all the way up to the moon and it doesn't allow them to run any faster[14:07:33] <fazias> \_o_/[14:10:18] *** psychicist__ <psychicist__!~psychicis@5356A22B.cm-6-7c.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:14:59] *** psychicist__ <psychicist__!~psychicis@5356A22B.cm-6-7c.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined ##vulkan[14:22:31] *** cramalho <cramalho!~cramalho@186.231.102.28> has quit IRC (Quit: cramalho)[14:29:03] <neure> would be make sense to try offscreen?[14:29:08] <neure> no present at all[14:49:55] <sharpneli> Same issue[15:09:19] *** No0n3Left <No0n3Left!~No0n3Left@2600:100d:b123:5425:cdec:fa91:ee2c:7ada> has joined ##vulkan[15:11:32] <neure> then it is certainly interesting[15:12:01] <neure> must be some synchronization, but that is not helpful, I know :P[15:12:51] <neure> I suppose you could start removing synchronizations until the lag disappears, but that sounds like a lot of work[15:13:12] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host86-138-235-28.range86-138.btcentralplus.com> has joined ##vulkan[15:23:18] *** sla_ro|master <sla_ro|master!~sla.ro@78.96.209.89> has joined ##vulkan[15:24:08] *** nsf <nsf!~nsf@jiss.convex.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.1)[15:33:14] <fazias> offtopic, but I would like to know what is this "feature" with dx12 and amd where I don't get errors, but all my monitors frequently flicker and it seems like "device reset" ... but instead everything is "fine" programwise... No errors :D[15:38:40] <No0n3Left> Any tips getting started with Vulcan with some knowledge of OpenGL. The idea seems similar, but Vulkan has a lot more functions and setup I’m not used to, which many tutorials don’t explain the purpose or effect of[15:46:02] <neure> No0n3Left, https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0YbmGeNSGPd-StauM1qajg[15:46:58] <No0n3Left> neure: Thanks, looks like they have a lot of useful stuff[15:57:46] <neure> yes[15:58:53] *** realitix <realitix!~realitix@92.103.166.6> has quit IRC (Quit: realitix)[16:11:19] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@2001:67c:1220:80e:e9:1d2:f14f:e47f> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:13:06] *** No0n3Left <No0n3Left!~No0n3Left@2600:100d:b123:5425:cdec:fa91:ee2c:7ada> has quit IRC (Quit: Quiting)[16:16:51] *** ImQ009 <ImQ009!~ImQ009@unaffiliated/imq009> has joined ##vulkan[16:25:33] *** Andrej1 <Andrej1!~Andrej@86.61.110.246> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:47:02] *** No0n3Left <No0n3Left!~No0n3Left@2600:100d:b123:5425:cdec:fa91:ee2c:7ada> has joined ##vulkan[16:50:50] *** xissburg <xissburg!~xissburg@unaffiliated/xissburg> has joined ##vulkan[16:51:46] *** No0n3Left <No0n3Left!~No0n3Left@2600:100d:b123:5425:cdec:fa91:ee2c:7ada> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[16:52:25] *** No0n3Left <No0n3Left!~No0n3Left@2600:100d:b123:5425:cdec:fa91:ee2c:7ada> has joined ##vulkan[16:54:44] *** No0n3Left <No0n3Left!~No0n3Left@2600:100d:b123:5425:cdec:fa91:ee2c:7ada> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[17:05:20] *** Andrej1 <Andrej1!~Andrej@86.61.110.246> has joined ##vulkan[17:08:41] *** MrCooper <MrCooper!~MrCooper@2a02:120b:7fe:4fc0:8f54:9367:3609:f1a8> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:26:24] *** MrCooper <MrCooper!~MrCooper@2a02:120b:7fe:4fc0:3a63:bbff:feca:3701> has joined ##vulkan[17:27:13] *** Andrej1 <Andrej1!~Andrej@86.61.110.246> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:30:56] *** Andrej1 <Andrej1!~Andrej@86.61.110.246> has joined ##vulkan[17:42:17] *** nsf <nsf!~nsf@jiss.convex.ru> has joined ##vulkan[17:44:13] *** borkr <borkr!~borkr@static130-244.mimer.net> has joined ##vulkan[17:55:41] *** Fats <Fats!fats@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/fats> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:56:54] *** Fats <Fats!fats@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/fats> has joined ##vulkan[18:10:53] *** herbmillerjr <herbmillerjr!~herb@c-76-120-173-141.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[18:15:54] *** mauz555 <mauz555!~mauz555@104.163.173.110> has joined ##vulkan[18:19:49] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!c351a8d8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.81.168.216> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[18:22:01] *** grouse <grouse!~grouse@83-233-9-2.cust.bredband2.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[18:28:23] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host86-138-235-28.range86-138.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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