June 21, 2018 
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Bye!)[13:32:43] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host86-138-235-28.range86-138.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[13:45:06] *** goiko <goiko!~goiko@p5DEB7B42.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined ##vulkan[13:45:06] *** goiko <goiko!~goiko@p5DEB7B42.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Changing host)[13:45:06] *** goiko <goiko!~goiko@unaffiliated/goiko> has joined ##vulkan[13:46:52] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@86.138.235.28> has joined ##vulkan[14:17:12] *** Guest4630 <Guest4630!4d3b9548@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.59.149.72> has joined ##vulkan[14:17:34] *** nsf <nsf!~nsf@jiss.convex.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.1)[14:24:58] <sharpneli> https://www.basemark.com/products/basemark-gpu/ Vulkan benchmark for desktops. Including Linux[14:36:22] *** realitix <realitix!~realitix@92.103.166.6> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[14:38:29] *** psychicist__ <psychicist__!~psychicis@5356A22B.cm-6-7c.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined ##vulkan[14:47:29] *** realitix <realitix!~realitix@92.103.166.6> has joined ##vulkan[15:09:23] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@86.138.235.28> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[15:14:57] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host86-138-235-28.range86-138.btcentralplus.com> has joined ##vulkan[16:05:50] *** ciaala <ciaala!~crypt@2a02:120b:2c1f:4960:6ef0:49ff:feee:4777> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[16:18:25] <fazias> brilliant[16:18:28] <fazias> crashes for me :D[16:18:41] <fazias> RX480 & vulkan with latest drivers.[16:18:51] <fazias> faaaail[16:24:01] <fazias> ah, latest "stable" driver should work[16:29:26] *** ImQ009 <ImQ009!~ImQ009@unaffiliated/imq009> has joined ##vulkan[16:35:20] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@2001:67c:1220:80e:e9:1d2:f14f:e47f> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:46:45] <sharpneli> fazias: Yeah amd has a bug with functions that have const vec3 as arguments. Crashes in vkCreateShaderModule bringing down the whole app with it[16:48:46] <fazias> Heh[16:48:57] <neure> another benchmark: https://youtu.be/fJGR_xRnzik[16:48:59] <fazias> also seems like the program doesn't want to start on my laptop with intel[16:49:05] <fazias> like at all[16:50:31] <sharpneli> It has vulkan drivers? Even so should run in gl[16:51:07] <fazias> Yep, it runs vulkan[16:51:12] <fazias> has the latest drivers which support 1.1[16:51:13] <fazias> but[16:51:21] <fazias> the base application doesn't start ever[16:51:25] <sharpneli> Optimus weirdness?[16:51:31] <fazias> I cannot even choose vulkan or opengl[16:51:38] <fazias> because it doesn't get that far[16:51:51] <fazias> No optimus on this laptop[16:51:56] <sharpneli> Wow. Rebooted after install due to vc redist?[16:51:58] <fazias> Intel is decently strong enough.[16:52:14] <fazias> I did reboot after installing.[16:52:18] <sharpneli> Yeah it is. Should work quite well[16:52:44] <fazias> There is also no crash popup.[16:53:09] <sharpneli> Just vanishes?[16:53:09] <fazias> just doesn't start after trying to start it. cursor has loading version for a while and then converts back to normal cursor.[16:53:42] <fazias> hmm[16:53:45] <fazias> I have a hunch :D[16:53:47] <sharpneli> Wut. So it quits by itself? Windows should complain if it crashes[16:53:59] <fazias> Fairly good hunch why it doesn't work[16:54:04] <sharpneli> Hm?[16:54:25] <fazias> Program locale[16:54:31] <fazias> I have it set to japan[16:54:42] <sharpneli> Oooh. Good point. Can you try switching it?[16:54:42] <fazias> and that affects path's that you get from windows[16:55:10] <fazias> Yeah, testing...[16:58:21] <sharpneli> The mobile workload is under custom. So you can see how it fares against phones. Useful for laptops[17:00:37] <fazias> Takes a while to switch, thank god I'm connected to dead slow "guest" network at work. If it just happens to use it to download something for the locale I chose...[17:00:57] <sharpneli> :p[17:13:45] *** nsf <nsf!~nsf@jiss.convex.ru> has joined ##vulkan[17:27:20] *** dadabidet <dadabidet!~dadabidet@extranet.adullact.org> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[17:33:36] <fazias> In the end, tested few regions, no luck.[17:33:53] <sharpneli> Ah. So it's not region then[17:34:13] <fazias> tried all the binaries and main exe, none of them do anything. vk/gl binaries start a window but then close[17:34:36] <sharpneli> Yeah as they cannot find the config. So it's a launcher issue[17:34:42] <fazias> EN/US as last region, same as work comp.[17:34:48] <sharpneli> Yeah[17:35:12] <sharpneli> The launcher wants admin mode due to hwinfo. You gave it that?[17:36:42] <fazias> Yeah[17:43:11] <fazias> Got some more clues on what's happening. Something has happened to my vulkan support in my computer :P[17:43:40] <fazias> App by vulkan.gpuinfo.org doesn't open either. And vulkan related things crash.[17:44:27] <fazias> Most likely the issues here.[17:49:05] <ratchetfreak> update the drivers again?[17:49:27] <fazias> Yeah, I'm now trying stuff to ... get vulkan find it's things[17:49:35] <ratchetfreak> or maybe one of the layers that it installs is bad[17:50:08] *** xissburg <xissburg!~xissburg@unaffiliated/xissburg> has joined ##vulkan[17:50:11] <fazias> vulkan info says something about not finding layer manifest files[17:50:15] <fazias> What a mess...[17:51:34] *** grouse <grouse!~grouse@83-233-9-2.cust.bredband2.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[17:52:44] *** Guest4630 <Guest4630!4d3b9548@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.59.149.72> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:53:57] <sharpneli> That explains. Instead of the icd returning no devices found it just crashes[17:54:10] <fazias> There is something really funky happening ...[17:54:17] <sharpneli> To avoid launcher crashing even that should be on a subprocess[17:54:33] <fazias> This might be cause of trying bunch of external gpu's through Thunderbolt 3[17:54:45] <fazias> and I have AMD + Nvidia drivers installed but neither is connected.[17:55:00] <fazias> Either way, it's a mess.[17:55:08] <chrisf> fazias: then those ICDs are broken[17:55:14] <fazias> Yeah[17:55:38] <fazias> I'll just purge all drivers out and reinstall the intel :p Hoping that I don't have to do anything more fancy.[17:57:18] <sharpneli> Unfortunately app developers have to work around bugs like that in practise[17:59:30] <chrisf> sharpneli: well, in this case there's no app workarounds beyond radically hacking the environment; enumerating physical devices ends up being hosed.[17:59:59] <sharpneli> chrisf: Launch a subprocess to do enumeration[18:00:15] <sharpneli> In this case it makes sense as if it fails GL should still work[18:00:44] <sharpneli> No idea how to handle things like AMD crashing in shader compilation[18:01:17] <chrisf> detect and dont feed those shaders :S[18:01:54] <sharpneli> Yeah. Would become tad tedious to do even that in subprocess[18:02:35] <sharpneli> Hmm. Do all of it there, pass pipelinecache to so even pipeline crashes are protected against[18:02:55] <sharpneli> And no double compilation overhead[18:04:12] <ratchetfreak> assuming the pipeline cache is working properly[18:04:42] <sharpneli> Yeah. But at least it protects against crashes[18:05:04] <sharpneli> Those are the worst. As app developer always gets the blame[18:05:49] <sharpneli> Already there are bunch of trivial workarounds, like giving binding points as sorted list in layout creation to circumvent driver bug.[18:06:27] <chrisf> sharpneli: err, do you have a bug filed against CTS for ^ ?[18:06:29] <sharpneli> Or avoiding specialization constant id 0[18:06:36] <chrisf> and ^[18:06:44] <chrisf> these sound like things we need to be enforcing[18:07:08] <sharpneli> chrisf: They were fixed in later driver versions. But have to keep them[18:07:32] <sharpneli> I will try to make a simple testcase for the amd issue and put that in[18:07:42] <sharpneli> So it stops resurfacing all the time[18:08:22] <sharpneli> Just make issue on github, right?[18:09:33] <chrisf> sharpneli: are you in khronos?[18:09:38] <sharpneli> Yes we are[18:09:57] <chrisf> file a bug in khronos gitlab (tracker/vk-gl-cts)[18:10:22] <sharpneli> So internal and not the public one. Ok[18:11:32] <ratchetfreak> why prefer the internal one over the public one?[18:12:11] <chrisf> ratchetfreak: all the discussion happens there. public bugs just get copied into the silo[18:12:43] <ratchetfreak> and NDAed stuff can be shared there I guess[18:13:01] <fazias> lel[18:13:05] <sharpneli> On the othet hand as an app dev one can just link to the bugreport for people who complain things not working[18:13:12] <fazias> broken amd icd json was breaking my vulkan[18:13:34] <fazias> just needed to remove the json from regedit (no, it was the hard way after all)[18:13:45] <fazias> from registry*[18:14:50] <ratchetfreak> the json itself shouldn't be crashing the loader though[18:15:34] <fazias> yeah, this was looked using "vulkaninfo"[18:16:37] <fazias> So might have worked but vulkaninfo didn't.[18:16:49] <ratchetfreak> sounds like a bug report for both AMD and the loader[18:17:35] *** realitix <realitix!~realitix@92.103.166.6> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[18:17:48] <chrisf> vulkaninfo doesnt inspect the json itself[18:17:54] <sharpneli> Gotta file some bugs on Monday, after returning from midsummer cabin :)[18:18:07] <fazias> Either way, I'm not going to reproduce it now. Enough work for the day done :p. And I would have to meddle with amd installers and possibly even nvidia. Biggest problem was that amd drivers left the mention of driver[18:18:11] <fazias> even though I removed them[18:18:27] <fazias> Also midsummer cabin for me, one of the reasons for no bug report today.[18:18:47] <fazias> Aaand the basemark opens nicely now :p[18:18:54] <sharpneli> Yay[18:19:02] <sharpneli> Try the mobile one[18:19:16] <fazias> Some remarks from my co-worker, annoying that the UI freezes when starting the test.[18:19:50] <fazias> also Not sure how it detects internet, but it sure fails often for us. Seemed like 50/50 if it succeeds or not and wants to display score.[18:20:16] <fazias> s/internet/internet connectivity[18:22:35] <sharpneli> That's mostly due to the server being overloaded now. Launch was yesterday[18:23:02] <sharpneli> There is like 50-100MB of results coming in per second. Poor database is choking[18:23:32] <fazias> I guess it could have still shown the result locally, no?[18:23:33] <ratchetfreak> ouch[18:23:48] <ratchetfreak> that will decrease a lot over the next few days though[18:23:49] <fazias> Now it's just "sorry, try again"[18:23:59] <fazias> Which might not help the load.[18:24:59] <sharpneli> It's business thing. Free version sends result. Paid version does not. So driver devs and media may want to pay for it[18:26:14] <sharpneli> But it might still store the json. Try peeking under results folder. There are json files there[18:26:31] <sharpneli> Not sure how well it tries to hide them in free version[18:28:00] <fazias> It might save the jsons which it succeeded in uploading to server.[18:28:21] <fazias> as I only find the 2, I also had 2 successess.[18:28:47] <sharpneli> Ah ok. So it indeed tries to be at least bit clever[18:30:13] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has joined ##vulkan[18:35:21] <ratchetfreak> could you spoof the server though?[18:35:53] *** nsf <nsf!~nsf@jiss.convex.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.1)[18:36:10] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host86-138-235-28.range86-138.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[18:39:49] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!c351a8d8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.81.168.216> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[18:45:13] <fazias> Hih, took Radeon GPU Profiler capture[18:48:06] *** realitix <realitix!~realitix@80.12.38.49> has joined ##vulkan[18:48:56] *** realitix <realitix!~realitix@80.12.38.49> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[18:50:20] <sharpneli> Why not. Hopefully there are no derps in the barriers[18:51:25] <fazias> If I have learned something, I cannot really say anything based on this. Other than, sure is a lot of renderpasses and drawcalls.[18:51:43] <fazias> and 2 computes of which the other one is a copy[18:52:33] <fazias> Also occupancy is fairly bad overall[18:52:51] <fazias> But this doesn't show the other related bottlenecks like bandwidth so[18:52:55] <fazias> hard to say anything.[18:53:01] <sharpneli> The shader is quite large. Their conpiler may choke on it[18:53:14] <sharpneli> *compiler[18:53:23] <fazias> capture was from experience mode and with high/vulkan[18:53:29] <fazias> not fullscreen[18:53:41] <fazias> and framelength is about 6ms[18:53:46] <sharpneli> Any weird stalls etc?[18:53:57] <fazias> of which, the first 1,8ms is vertex waves on super low occupancy[18:54:01] <sharpneli> Not bad fps at all[18:54:08] *** ishan_ <ishan_!~ishan@2409:4053:607:b5bf:be7e:5229:4da8:2be7> has joined ##vulkan[18:54:24] <sharpneli> Its the shadow pass[18:54:26] <fazias> After that you get some overlap with vertex+fragment shaders getting to decent occupancy[18:54:32] <sharpneli> Trivial shader[18:54:44] <sharpneli> How can it even be low occupancy?[18:54:58] <fazias> Probably not possible to even get high occupancy[18:55:42] <sharpneli> Hmm. The interleaving between frames is not ideal. So there may be room to start next frame vertex work while previous frame post processing runs[18:55:58] <fazias> Anyways, after most of the vertex stuff[18:56:03] <fazias> there is 4 big passes[18:56:09] <fazias> with lots of fragment work[18:56:17] <fazias> and the fragment shaders have max occupancy of 2[18:56:32] <sharpneli> Likely ASSAO[18:56:44] <sharpneli> It does weird interleaved trickery[18:57:23] <sharpneli> 4 passes with tons of work[18:57:36] *** Biolunar <Biolunar!Biolunar@p5B148FAF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined ##vulkan[18:59:20] <fazias> actually[18:59:44] <fazias> Just look at the capture yourself, doesn't require amd gpu, just the software.[19:00:48] <sharpneli> It tells occupancy and all?[19:00:58] <fazias> Yes, it's all recorded there.[19:01:34] <sharpneli> Nice. So it tries to simulate the execution in a sense[19:01:59] <sharpneli> Ah it was recorded[19:02:45] <sharpneli> Can you keep it there for awhile? I'm in middle of forest with just cellphone now. Gonna be at actual machine in Sunday[19:03:05] <fazias> Sure, That's ok.[19:04:38] <sharpneli> Thanks![19:05:22] <sharpneli> But yeah. At least there was nothing obviously broken.[19:06:39] <fazias> Nothing really broken, yeah. 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