June 13, 2018 
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Such as the number of clock cycles per tessellation unit, etc?[13:22:41] <HZun> The number of clock cycles a single patch on a tessellation unit takes*[13:25:11] *** slime <slime!~slime73@24.215.81.93> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[13:27:49] <ratchetfreak> I'm pretty sure the bottleneck won't be clock cycles[13:36:25] <HZun> However it would be nice with some documentation that describes if the tessellator is fully pipelined (meaning it can start tessellating a new patch every clock cycle) and how long it takes to tessellate a patch from start to finish (for example 10 clock cycles or 100 clock cycles).[13:36:47] <HZun> and the same applies to the other units of the polymorph engine.[13:40:49] *** sla_ro|master <sla_ro|master!~sla.ro@78.96.209.89> has quit IRC ()[13:46:14] *** David3k <David3k!~David3k@120.29.112.59> has joined ##vulkan[13:47:18] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@2001:67c:1220:80e:e9:1d2:f14f:e47f> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:50:20] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host86-153-157-230.range86-153.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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I have to make sure to actually empty my vector first :p.[19:32:24] <dyl> That fixed it.[19:32:28] *** Guest4630 <Guest4630!4d3b9548@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.59.149.72> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:33:36] <dreda> Yay.[19:33:53] <dyl> Well that was a bit unsettling :/.[19:34:01] <dyl> Just randomly had a crash on waitForFences at first draw.[19:34:05] <dyl> Didn't reproduce.[19:34:57] <dyl> Ah nope, there it is again.[19:36:19] <dyl> That shouldn't be happening on and off...[19:40:49] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7lgupdkti53lhr.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has joined ##vulkan[19:41:33] <dyl> I don't understand :/. There shouldn't be any race condition here.[19:47:57] <chrisf> you have some UB[19:50:55] *** Yaniel <Yaniel!yaniel@unaffiliated/yaniel> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[19:52:46] *** MrFlibble <MrFlibble!MrFlibble@2.122.47.217> has joined ##vulkan[19:53:13] *** Yaniel <Yaniel!yaniel@unaffiliated/yaniel> has joined ##vulkan[19:57:23] <dyl> chrisf Hmm.[19:57:42] <dyl> Weirdly, I just rebuilt the Vulkan-Headers/Loader (the latter with debug symbols)[19:57:46] <dyl> and now it's not happening anymore.[19:58:01] <dyl> I don't do anything fancy with my fences.[19:58:10] <dyl> just createFenceUnique, and then I wait for it.[19:58:42] <dyl> This is occurring very rarely at the start of a run before the first CB is even submitted.[19:59:05] <dyl> (well, ignoring transfer of uniforms and vertex)[20:00:19] <dyl> Well, looks like lldb isn't picking up on the debug symbols :/.[20:00:24] <dyl> But I caught it again.[20:00:33] <dyl> It's in parameter_validation::validate_handle_array[20:01:39] *** alexge50 <alexge50!~alexge50@79.115.59.3> has joined ##vulkan[20:02:19] <dyl> Offending line is: Device->waitForFences(1, &*InFlightFences[CurrentFrame], VK_TRUE, MaxTimeOut);[20:02:30] <dyl> InFlightFences is a std::vector<vk::UniqueFence>.[20:03:11] <dyl> If I step into vulkan.hpp, LLDB is erroring trying to read pFences...[20:04:43] <chrisf> precisely what type does UniqueFence::operator* return?[20:05:20] <dyl> The address in there doesn't make sense either.[20:05:33] <dyl> vk::Fence &[20:06:06] <dyl> Taking the address of a reference should yield the address of the referrent.[20:06:28] <dyl> UniqueFence = UniqueHandle<Fence> where UniqueHandle is (roughly) analogous to unique_ptr.[20:09:07] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host86-153-157-230.range86-153.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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It’s the first usage of the fence.[20:35:41] <dyl> Frustratingly, building vulkan-loader is *not* producing debug symbols apparently.[20:36:53] <dyl> Or I just didn't set the install prefix properly ¯\_(ツ)_/¯[20:43:41] *** derhass <derhass!~derhass@ipservice-092-208-158-056.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined ##vulkan[20:54:59] <dyl> chrisf Okay well, I have the loader and validation layers all debuggable now, so I can see where it's happening.[20:55:07] <dyl> Looks like it's just array[0] is faulting :/.[20:56:01] <dyl> It might just be some kind of C/C++ UB.[20:57:59] <dyl> I should probably just do vk::Fence *Fences = { ... } ahead, rather than &*[21:00:08] <dyl> chrisf so: I forgot to check CurrentFrame. :|[21:00:33] <dyl> I shouldn't have expected size_t to default to 0.[21:01:07] *** ciaala <ciaala!~crypt@2a02:120b:2c1f:4960:6ef0:49ff:feee:4777> has joined ##vulkan[21:02:01] <dyl> Welp. There it is.[21:04:03] *** ImQ009 <ImQ009!~ImQ009@unaffiliated/imq009> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:06:26] *** sla_ro|master <sla_ro|master!~sla.ro@78.96.209.89> has quit IRC ()[21:19:23] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7lgupdkti53lhr.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[21:22:35] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7lgupdkti53lhr.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has joined ##vulkan[21:26:48] *** ImQ009 <ImQ009!~ImQ009@unaffiliated/imq009> has joined ##vulkan[21:28:53] <dyl> ratchetfreak if you can dodge a wrench, you can read graphics assets[21:29:33] <ratchetfreak> it depends on which format your assets are int but you are in control of that[21:32:53] *** clintar <clintar!~clintar@68.69.164.130> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:33:08] *** Bl4ckb0ne is now known as bl4ckb0ne[21:33:12] <dyl> Strange, resizing triggers swapchain recreation but it looks like the way MoltenVK works it keeps one image up until the resize stops.[21:33:25] <dyl> So it only presents once you stop resizing :/.[21:34:14] <dyl> Or maybe it's glfw, either way during resizes no new frames are being drawn.[21:35:04] *** nsf <nsf!~nsf@jiss.convex.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.1)[21:35:36] <dyl> Well, manually calling drawFrame in my resize callback works so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯[21:36:48] <dyl> ratchetfreak also my concern was portability. The cmake build tree doesn't mirror gnuinstalldirs anyways.[21:36:57] <dyl> So, it wouldn't work for testing (and this is a demo for test purposes).[21:37:24] <dyl> Plus this library might be statically linked or dynamically linked.[21:37:57] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host86-153-157-230.range86-153.btcentralplus.com> has joined ##vulkan[21:45:19] <dyl> Normally not going to have to care since I don't use any textures (other than solid colors).[21:45:34] <dyl> (which can just be fed in in other ways)[21:47:56] *** ector <ector!~asdf@ua-85-224-236-175.bbcust.telenor.se> has joined ##vulkan[22:18:36] *** ImQ009 <ImQ009!~ImQ009@unaffiliated/imq009> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:25:06] <dyl> :D[22:25:17] <dyl> On a lark, breaking from the tutorial, I decided to add multiple pipelines.[22:25:31] <dyl> Satisfying to be able to toggle wireframe/fill, even if it's pretty simple.[22:35:14] *** borkr <borkr!~borkr@static130-244.mimer.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[22:48:03] *** ville_ <ville_!~ville@87-93-41-166.bb.dnainternet.fi> has joined ##vulkan[22:50:12] *** ville <ville!~ville@37-136-27-236.rev.dnainternet.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[22:50:16] *** ville_ is now known as ville[23:11:52] *** alexge50 <alexge50!~alexge50@79.115.59.3> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:36:40] *** clintar <clintar!~clintar@68.69.164.130> has joined ##vulkan[23:37:23] *** clintar <clintar!~clintar@68.69.164.130> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:37:35] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:39:48] *** clintar <clintar!~clintar@68.69.164.130> has joined ##vulkan[23:49:06] *** anunnaki is now known as vertigo[23:50:30] *** clintar <clintar!~clintar@68.69.164.130> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:53:06] *** clintar <clintar!~clintar@68.69.164.130> has joined ##vulkan[23:59:06] *** clintar <clintar!~clintar@68.69.164.130> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)