June 4, 2018 
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June 4, 2018 [00:21:19] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host86-157-70-142.range86-157.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[00:21:37] *** Guest4630 <Guest4630!4d3b9548@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.59.149.72> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[00:28:42] *** ciaala <ciaala!~crypt@2a02:120b:2c1f:4960:6ef0:49ff:feee:4777> has joined ##vulkan[00:53:19] *** cramalho <cramalho!~cramalho@179.191.118.186> has joined ##vulkan[00:53:42] *** cramalho <cramalho!~cramalho@179.191.118.186> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:58:48] <cheakoirccloud> I was thinking the same thing.. . In typical Vulkan fashion it must be up to the application to keep track of barriers.[01:03:48] <Ralith> generally it's the application's responsiblility to express operations in reasonable ways[01:03:49] <Ralith> if you want magical drivers that heuristically infer your intended behavior, OpenGL still exists[01:17:08] *** ciaala <ciaala!~crypt@2a02:120b:2c1f:4960:6ef0:49ff:feee:4777> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[01:23:57] *** David3k <David3k!~David3k@120.29.112.59> has quit IRC (Quit: SOUUUUUUULS)[01:27:38] <Lymia> Isn't CmdMemoryBarrier, like, explicitly one of those things that's more driver side than client side to begin with to begin with?[01:28:23] <Lymia> ... the actual barrier part, at least, I guess.[01:53:08] *** Kingsquee <Kingsquee!~kingsquee@d66-183-127-35.bchsia.telus.net> has joined ##vulkan[01:53:57] *** MrFlibble <MrFlibble!MrFlibble@2.122.47.217> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[02:07:25] *** derhass <derhass!~derhass@ipservice-092-216-121-149.092.216.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[02:42:44] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7ngywb645ilhzu.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[02:56:00] *** herbmillerjr <herbmillerjr!~herb@c-76-120-173-141.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> has joined ##vulkan[04:16:14] *** slime <slime!~slime73@blk-215-81-93.eastlink.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[04:27:01] *** slime <slime!~slime73@24.215.81.93> has joined ##vulkan[04:32:01] *** slime <slime!~slime73@24.215.81.93> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[04:46:00] *** Water` <Water`!~chris@CPE1cabc09b58c3-CM1cabc09b58c0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[05:02:53] *** slime <slime!~slime73@blk-215-81-93.eastlink.ca> has joined ##vulkan[05:44:11] *** slime <slime!~slime73@blk-215-81-93.eastlink.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[06:14:34] *** glYoda <glYoda!~MTLYoda@c-73-25-27-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: glYoda)[06:16:04] *** glYoda <glYoda!~MTLYoda@c-73-25-27-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net> has joined ##vulkan[06:25:23] *** xissburg <xissburg!~xissburg@unaffiliated/xissburg> has quit IRC (Quit: ZZZzzz…)[06:36:18] *** sla_ro|master <sla_ro|master!~sla.ro@78.96.209.89> has joined ##vulkan[07:23:04] *** sla_ro|master <sla_ro|master!~sla.ro@78.96.209.89> has quit IRC ()[07:32:59] *** MrCivvy <MrCivvy!MrCivvy@gateway/shell/panicbnc/x-sttogseacgidmniy> has quit IRC (Quit: PanicBNC - http://PanicBNC.net)[07:36:00] *** nsf <nsf!~nsf@jiss.convex.ru> has joined ##vulkan[07:39:51] *** daxar1 <daxar1!~daxar@212-197-178-236.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined ##vulkan[07:42:57] *** daxar <daxar!~daxar@212-183-86-94.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[07:43:36] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@2001:67c:1220:80e:e9:1d2:f14f:e47f> has joined ##vulkan[08:12:31] *** ville <ville!~ville@37-136-3-183.rev.dnainternet.fi> has quit IRC (Quit:)[08:13:42] *** grizwako <grizwako!~grizwako@213.147.101.34> has joined ##vulkan[08:15:55] *** ville <ville!~ville@37-33-143-142.bb.dnainternet.fi> has joined ##vulkan[08:18:07] *** TSS_ <TSS_!~TSS@2a02:2f0a:4050:386:d250:99ff:fe83:4a0a> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC 1.6.2 - http://znc.in)[08:18:17] *** TSS_ <TSS_!~TSS@79.115.175.158> has joined ##vulkan[08:31:50] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host86-157-70-142.range86-157.btcentralplus.com> has joined ##vulkan[08:35:47] *** tambre <tambre!~tambre@xn--fsika-kvaa.tambre.ee> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC 1.7.0 - https://znc.in)[08:38:08] *** tambre <tambre!~tambre@xn--fsika-kvaa.tambre.ee> has joined ##vulkan[08:41:07] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host86-157-70-142.range86-157.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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possible[23:05:14] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:05:20] <ratchetfreak> if you can create a minimal reproduction you can file an issue[23:06:15] <dyl> The validation is from LunarG.[23:06:34] <dyl> See: https://github.com/KhronosGroup/Vulkan-LoaderAndValidationLayers/blob/master/layers/vk_layer_logging.h#L187[23:06:45] <dyl> https://github.com/KhronosGroup/Vulkan-LoaderAndValidationLayers/blob/master/layers/vk_layer_logging.h#L150[23:07:03] <dyl> after the messenger is removed, RemoveDebugUtilsMessageCallback is called (good)[23:07:21] <dyl> Then for some reason RemoveAllMessageCallbacks is called afterwards.[23:07:25] <dyl> And it claims the debug report wasn't removed.[23:07:55] <dyl> It looks like RemoveAllMessageCallbacks should ideally encouter an empty linked list.[23:08:10] <dyl> If it finds *anything* then it will end up emitting an error.[23:08:38] <dyl> So in other words it seems that the debug messenger isn't being removed properly, somehow?[23:09:02] <dyl> It looks like it's calling RemoveDebugUtilsMessageCallback via the destructor, and then the validation calls RemoveAllMessageCallbacks to sweep up and check for anything that was missed.[23:10:05] <dyl> Since the object addresses for each "destroyed callback" are unique (likely the UniqueHandles), but the "not removed" are all on the instance...[23:49:44] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host86-157-70-142.range86-157.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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