June 27, 2017 
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<bjz_!~bjz@14-201-122-110.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined ##vulkan[09:10:01] *** bjz <bjz!~bjz@104.222.140.56> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[09:10:43] *** jdashg <jdashg!~jdashg@50.233.106.125> has joined ##vulkan[09:12:53] *** LanDi <LanDi!~landi@2804:7f7:2280:6df2:bb64:b83b:9e85:50b5> has joined ##vulkan[09:14:31] *** qNemo <qNemo!~qN@broadband-77-37-235-217.moscow.rt.ru> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[09:15:12] *** ravior <ravior!~crapitea@89.121.200.106> has joined ##vulkan[09:18:45] <neure> hi[09:18:46] *** realitix <realitix!~realitix@92.103.166.6> has joined ##vulkan[09:18:53] <neure> do people use spirv-opt?[09:19:04] <neure> any known issues?[09:19:30] <neure> any noticed performance difference?[09:19:57] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!c351a8d8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.81.168.216> has joined ##vulkan[09:25:18] *** qptain_Nemo <qptain_Nemo!~qN@broadband-77-37-235-217.moscow.rt.ru> has joined ##vulkan[09:25:54] <neure> i've been debugging opengl vs vulkan performance issue on nvidia[09:27:06] <neure> basically vulkan performance < gl performance.. then i figured out i only call glslangvalidator, not spirv-opt[09:27:23] <neure> i kind of thought driver could / would do optimizations anyway[09:27:31] <neure> but apparently not[09:27:43] <exDM69> so you did see a performance increase from using spirv-opt?[09:28:16] <ratchetfreak> are you sure that gl driver doesn't rejig you commands in some fancy way for more perf?[09:28:30] <neure> exDM69, havent tried yet[09:28:42] <exDM69> go ahead and try, should be easy?[09:28:53] <neure> exDM69, yes I will[09:29:00] <neure> exDM69, however, I did try VK_NV_glsl_shader[09:29:01] <exDM69> also: is your gl app and vulkan app doing the same thing mostly the same way?[09:29:07] <neure> exDM69, and it does give better performance[09:29:15] <neure> exDM69, yes[09:29:48] <neure> the fact that VK_NV_glsl_shader can give closer performance to GL than just glslangvalidator suggests that the backend is different in the driver[09:29:52] <neure> so not same optimizations[09:30:16] <exDM69> compilers are complicated, perhaps glslang output isn't as easy to optimize?[09:30:23] <neure> yes[09:30:33] <neure> it is a bit messy shader as well[09:30:38] <neure> nontrivial[09:30:49] <exDM69> I've only read a little bit of glslang's spirv output but it seems to be quite straightforward translation with lots of room for improvement[09:30:51] <neure> but in theory spirv should have all the same info as glsl, no?[09:31:24] <neure> i just wonder how many only call glslangvalidator and forget spirv-opt completely[09:31:27] *** qptain_Nemo <qptain_Nemo!~qN@broadband-77-37-235-217.moscow.rt.ru> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[09:31:41] <neure> also it seems that spirv-opt doesnt do all fancy optimizations it could[09:31:48] <neure> based on github issues[09:31:56] <exDM69> yeah, lots of room for improvement there[09:32:16] <neure> so initial experience when swithcing to vulkan can be "it is slower"[09:38:13] *** mceier <mceier!~mceier@89-69-215-210.dynamic.chello.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[09:41:58] *** mceier <mceier!~mceier@89-69-215-210.dynamic.chello.pl> has joined ##vulkan[09:42:18] <ratchetfreak> opengl drivers have many secret techniques to speed up rendering built up over the decades, it's going to take some time for people using vulkan to rediscover them[09:42:55] <exDM69> but for AAA games, driver quality has caught up and vulkan is faster than GL for most shipping titles on NV and AMD[09:43:57] <neure> so far.. no benefit from spirv-opt[09:49:19] <ratchetfreak> I think your slowdown isn't in the shader[09:51:08] <sharpneli> In general Vulkan has same perf characteristics as DX12. If you have DX11/OpenGL style engine and just do a port you can expect a slowdown[09:51:26] <sharpneli> Because most of the time you're just reimplementing the GL/DX driver yourself[09:52:56] *** ImQ009 <ImQ009!~ImQ009@unaffiliated/imq009> has joined ##vulkan[09:53:47] <sharpneli> neure: Lemme guess. You're doing a port on top of an engine that works like an immediate mode renderer?[09:53:55] <neure> nopes[09:54:03] <neure> gl backend doesnt have threads[09:54:07] <neure> vulkan backend has[09:54:12] <sharpneli> Gl has a driver thread[09:54:16] <sharpneli> Vulkan doesn't[09:54:32] <neure> yeah but i mean, the backend is not trivial port[09:54:38] <ratchetfreak> what does the frontend look like?[09:54:53] <ratchetfreak> there may be a better abstraction to be made[09:55:09] <sharpneli> Yeah. What is roughly the abstraction the application uses to call the platform neutral part?[09:55:20] <neure> frontend produces renderpasses, each has render target and set of objects etc[09:55:51] <neure> and the performance issue has already been isolated to a specific shader[09:56:03] <sharpneli> Not a bad one.[09:56:35] <sharpneli> Almost same shader but way different perf on gl?[09:56:35] <neure> now i need a tool which can add mipmaps to HDR DDS file[09:56:39] <neure> know any?[09:59:48] *** psychicist__ <psychicist__!~psychicis@wlan-145-94-156-208.wlan.tudelft.nl> has joined ##vulkan[10:05:05] *** LanDi <LanDi!~landi@2804:7f7:2280:6df2:bb64:b83b:9e85:50b5> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:11:20] *** jdashg <jdashg!~jdashg@50.233.106.125> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[10:20:27] *** psychicist__ <psychicist__!~psychicis@wlan-145-94-156-208.wlan.tudelft.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[10:21:43] *** psychicist__ <psychicist__!~psychicis@wlan-145-94-156-208.wlan.tudelft.nl> has joined ##vulkan[10:22:57] *** hs_ <hs_!~hs_@c-24-16-81-20.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[10:33:58] *** Biolunar <Biolunar!Biolunar@dslb-092-073-174-126.092.073.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined ##vulkan[10:37:11] *** nidefawl <nidefawl!~nidefawl@104.244.76.248> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[10:42:22] *** Pseudocrat <Pseudocrat!~quassel@unaffiliated/pseudocrat> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:43:04] *** hs_ <hs_!~hs_@c-24-16-81-20.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has joined ##vulkan[10:50:04] *** psychicist__ <psychicist__!~psychicis@wlan-145-94-156-208.wlan.tudelft.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[11:19:43] *** Hunts <Hunts!~hunts@x4dbad350.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[11:29:43] *** Timbo_ <Timbo_!~tma@cpc102378-sgyl38-2-0-cust55.18-2.cable.virginm.net> has joined ##vulkan[11:29:57] *** salamanderrake_ <salamanderrake_!~quassel@2605:a000:122a:32:9862:ef1e:6159:8d93> has joined ##vulkan[11:30:26] *** imMute <imMute!~immute@li03.msk4.com> has joined ##vulkan[11:30:26] *** imMute <imMute!~immute@li03.msk4.com> has quit IRC (Changing host)[11:30:26] *** imMute <imMute!~immute@about/networking/240.255.255.0/imMute> has joined ##vulkan[11:30:28] *** fazias_ <fazias_!~faz@82-181-37-242.bb.dnainternet.fi> has joined ##vulkan[11:33:21] *** dahlia_ <dahlia_!~dahlia@ns504960.ip-198-27-67.net> has joined ##vulkan[11:34:32] *** dahlia_ <dahlia_!~dahlia@ns504960.ip-198-27-67.net> has quit IRC (Changing host)[11:34:32] *** dahlia_ <dahlia_!~dahlia@unaffiliated/dahlia> has joined ##vulkan[11:34:58] *** pdq <pdq!~pdq@unaffiliated/pdq> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[11:34:59] *** gluc_ <gluc_!~Luc@19.140.77.83.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[11:34:59] *** salamanderrake <salamanderrake!~quassel@2605:a000:122a:32:df4:8274:e0d8:2148> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[11:34:59] *** Stenzek <Stenzek!~stenzek@2001:19f0:5801:3fe:5400:ff:fe5d:7bf6> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[11:34:59] *** dahlia <dahlia!~dahlia@unaffiliated/dahlia> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[11:35:00] *** fazias <fazias!~faz@82-181-37-242.bb.dnainternet.fi> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[11:35:00] *** imMute^ <imMute^!~immute@about/networking/240.255.255.0/imMute> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[11:35:00] *** drewbarbs <drewbarbs!~drewbarbs@2601:14a:601:f351:baa5:b3da:f88f:c85f> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[11:35:00] *** Timbo <Timbo!~tma@tremulous/developer/timbo> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[11:35:01] *** dahlia_ is now known as dahlia[11:35:07] *** pdq <pdq!~pdq@162.243.194.120> has joined ##vulkan[11:35:22] *** drewbarbs <drewbarbs!~drewbarbs@c-69-243-30-61.hsd1.md.comcast.net> has joined ##vulkan[11:36:15] *** pdq <pdq!~pdq@162.243.194.120> has quit IRC (Changing host)[11:36:15] *** pdq <pdq!~pdq@unaffiliated/pdq> has joined ##vulkan[11:41:02] *** akuma_ <akuma_!~quassel@h-145-155.A357.priv.bahnhof.se> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[11:41:19] *** Stenzek <Stenzek!~stenzek@2001:19f0:5801:3fe:5400:ff:fe5d:7bf6> has joined ##vulkan[11:44:12] *** bjz_ <bjz_!~bjz@14-201-122-110.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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Anywhere.)[16:06:10] *** Andrej1 <Andrej1!~Andrej@BSN-176-130-12.dynamic.siol.net> has joined ##vulkan[16:06:17] *** salamanderrake <salamanderrake!~quassel@2605:a000:122a:32:9862:ef1e:6159:8d93> has joined ##vulkan[16:24:06] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host81-153-35-152.range81-153.btcentralplus.com> has joined ##vulkan[16:26:21] *** opencw <opencw!~opencw@2a02:908:b42:d120:325a:3aff:fe7c:ee1b> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[16:37:13] *** ImQ009 <ImQ009!~ImQ009@unaffiliated/imq009> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:38:21] *** ImQ009 <ImQ009!~ImQ009@unaffiliated/imq009> has joined ##vulkan[16:40:52] <ryp> hello guys[16:41:32] <ryp> i know GCN hardware does not have HW vertex fetching anymore, do you know if most modern GPUs do this also ?[17:09:29] <fazias_> some rumors say that as long as your vertices pass vertexshader, the vertex hw works.[17:09:39] *** fazias_ is now known as fazias[17:14:09] <ryp> did not compute sry[17:15:55] <ryp> i'm talking about the custom HW used to fetch data from the vertex buffers, some GPUs do not have dedicated HW to do that and just rely on a patched shader implem.[17:16:46] <ratchetfreak> that's why vertex format is part of the graphics pipeline create info struct[17:17:05] <fazias> apparently that might not be the case[17:17:21] <fazias> but its only rumor ;)[17:17:46] *** Hunts <Hunts!~hunts@ricasa01.informatik.uni-bremen.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[17:19:07] <ryp> ratchetfreak: of course APIs still give you the option to use vertex buffers like with VkPipelineVertexInputStateCreateInfo.[17:20:20] <ryp> But GCN do not provide dedicated HW to do this and instead use regular ALUs AFAIK[17:22:12] <ryp> please enlighten me if you think what i'm saying is blatantly garbage, i can take constructive criticism[17:23:04] <ryp> what i wanna know is if programmable vertex pulling makes sense when using vulkan[17:23:20] <ratchetfreak> there could be better cache behavior by using the VkPipelineVertexInputStateCreateInfo because it is predictable[17:25:49] <ryp> ok, it'll be interesting to see if drivers/gpus make good use of this fact[17:25:55] <fazias> I guess it only improves feeding vertex shader with the content[17:29:16] *** David3k <David3k!~David3k@120.29.112.49> has joined ##vulkan[17:29:31] *** bjz <bjz!~bjz@14-201-122-110.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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Although they do work on mostly amd hardware (consoles).[17:35:20] <fazias> reducing vertex counts seem to be more important ;)[17:38:24] *** ravior <ravior!~crapitea@89.121.200.106> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[17:39:42] *** nsf <nsf!~nsf@jiss.convex.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.7.1)[17:42:20] <ratchetfreak> in recent years fragment throughput seems to be more important though[17:42:27] <ratchetfreak> with 4k and all[17:42:46] <ratchetfreak> so in vertex shader triangle culling would be fine[17:55:49] *** realitix <realitix!~realitix@92.103.166.6> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[18:10:50] *** ImQ009_ <ImQ009_!~ImQ009@unaffiliated/imq009> has joined ##vulkan[18:11:37] *** sla_ro|master <sla_ro|master!~sla.ro@95.76.45.217> has joined ##vulkan[18:14:37] *** ImQ009 <ImQ009!~ImQ009@unaffiliated/imq009> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[18:22:57] *** HuntsMan <HuntsMan!~hunts@x4dbad350.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined ##vulkan[18:26:45] *** ravior <ravior!~crapitea@79.116.102.182> has joined ##vulkan[18:29:24] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!c351a8d8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.81.168.216> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[18:31:07] *** crankslider <crankslider!~slidercra@ircpuzzles/2015/april-fools/fifth/slidercrank> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[18:32:10] *** ville <ville!~ville@188-67-63-226.bb.dnainternet.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[18:42:16] *** jdashg <jdashg!~jdashg@50-204-120-238-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined ##vulkan[18:43:08] *** xissburg_ <xissburg_!~xissburg@unaffiliated/xissburg> has joined ##vulkan[18:44:54] *** xissburg <xissburg!~xissburg@unaffiliated/xissburg> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[18:51:28] *** jdashg <jdashg!~jdashg@50-204-120-238-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[18:58:19] *** jdashg <jdashg!~jdashg@50.233.106.81> has joined ##vulkan[18:58:40] *** ImQ009_ <ImQ009_!~ImQ009@unaffiliated/imq009> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[18:58:57] *** ImQ009 <ImQ009!~ImQ009@unaffiliated/imq009> has joined ##vulkan[19:02:43] *** ImQ009 <ImQ009!~ImQ009@unaffiliated/imq009> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:03:26] *** ImQ009 <ImQ009!~ImQ009@unaffiliated/imq009> has joined ##vulkan[19:05:12] *** Biolunar <Biolunar!Biolunar@dslb-092-073-174-126.092.073.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[19:13:35] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7l9r42569r41f4.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has joined ##vulkan[19:14:14] *** nsf <nsf!~nsf@jiss.convex.ru> has joined ##vulkan[19:29:20] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7l9r42569r41f4.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:29:46] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7l9r42569r41f4.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has joined ##vulkan[19:35:55] *** ShadowIce <ShadowIce!~pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044> has joined ##vulkan[19:46:13] *** WaywardDev <WaywardDev!~marius@cm-84.213.213.75.getinternet.no> has joined ##vulkan[19:49:51] *** xissburg_ <xissburg_!~xissburg@unaffiliated/xissburg> has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host)[19:50:13] *** xissburg <xissburg!~xissburg@unaffiliated/xissburg> has joined ##vulkan[19:50:15] *** Nilesh <Nilesh!uid116340@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wgqcvxgcfuoatouk> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[19:56:16] *** cheako <cheako!~cheako@c-24-245-9-115.hsd1.mn.comcast.net> has joined ##vulkan[19:59:02] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host81-153-35-152.range81-153.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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This means when we generate ubershader variants, it'll still stutter.[21:57:19] <Yaniel> well, if it's not in the spec then it's not the driver's "fault" per se[22:02:38] *** neurre <neurre!~tsuorant@a91-155-31-190.elisa-laajakaista.fi> has joined ##vulkan[22:02:49] *** qptain_Nemo <qptain_Nemo!~qN@broadband-77-37-235-217.moscow.rt.ru> has joined ##vulkan[22:07:36] *** goiko <goiko!~goiko@unaffiliated/goiko> has quit IRC (Quit: ﴾͡๏̯͡๏﴿ O'RLY?)[22:12:14] *** ravior <ravior!~crapitea@79.116.102.182> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[22:12:27] *** jkilpatr <jkilpatr!jkilpatr@nat/redhat/x-exllidthqgdkwmoi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:25:29] *** jdashg <jdashg!~jdashg@50.233.106.81> has joined ##vulkan[22:28:53] *** nsf <nsf!~nsf@jiss.convex.ru> has joined ##vulkan[22:31:58] *** jkilpatr <jkilpatr!~jkilpatr@2602:30a:c7da:b600:1202:b5ff:fe3b:d41d> has joined ##vulkan[22:46:45] *** slidercrank <slidercrank!~slidercra@ircpuzzles/2015/april-fools/fifth/slidercrank> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[22:56:30] *** Biolunar <Biolunar!Biolunar@dslb-092-073-174-126.092.073.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined ##vulkan[22:59:38] *** neurre <neurre!~tsuorant@a91-155-31-190.elisa-laajakaista.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[23:06:57] <Cheery> I finally got myself a TTF loading library, and ready to figure out how I am going to render the glyph data[23:07:22] <Cheery> Here's a screenshot of the outlines I got up through Vulkan right now: http://imgur.com/a/eN0ra[23:08:07] <ratchetfreak> upload as texture and render little textured quads[23:08:54] <Cheery> in my case: render to texture and render little textured quads.[23:09:05] <ratchetfreak> yeah[23:09:56] <ratchetfreak> you could do fancy frag shader stuff but the simple bitmap based stuff is often good anough[23:10:09] <Cheery> I guess I got to do some sort of atlasing as well.[23:12:22] *** rlarionov <rlarionov!~rlarionov@68-202-221-190.res.bhn.net> has joined ##vulkan[23:18:50] *** jkilpatr <jkilpatr!~jkilpatr@2602:30a:c7da:b600:1202:b5ff:fe3b:d41d> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[23:28:35] *** RicardasSim <RicardasSim!~RicardasS@78-63-172-44.static.zebra.lt> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:31:56] *** jkilpatr <jkilpatr!~jkilpatr@2602:30a:c7da:b600:845f:2921:2881:c7ba> has joined ##vulkan[23:36:24] <Cheery> I wonder what the workflow there should be, actually.[23:37:25] <Cheery> I should render rich console text output while in VR.[23:39:43] <Cheery> in Vulkan it should be quite easy to render into a texture, and render the output of that texture in somewhere.[23:40:41] *** cactuz <cactuz!~cactus@0140800230.0.fullrate.ninja> has joined ##vulkan[23:41:01] <Cheery> if I knew some of "known to work" approaches to that, I think it'd help.[23:43:37] <Cheery> but maybe it's just rendering into a texture, and textures into textures.. 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