June 25, 2017 
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I haven't seen anything in the WSI spec disallowing it, but I haven't seen any applications doing it yet[02:39:04] *** Hunts <Hunts!~hunts@x4e34f4c5.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined ##vulkan[02:41:13] *** vitimiti <vitimiti!~Celtor@unaffiliated/vitimiti> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[02:41:57] *** HuntsMan <HuntsMan!~hunts@xd52780d5.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[02:44:16] *** Casandir <Casandir!~Casandir@cable54-3-253.stoweaccess.com> has joined ##vulkan[02:44:16] *** Casandir <Casandir!~Casandir@cable54-3-253.stoweaccess.com> has quit IRC (Changing host)[02:44:16] *** Casandir <Casandir!~Casandir@unaffiliated/casandir> has joined ##vulkan[02:47:56] <Ralith> how would that differ from any other rendering?[02:58:00] *** psychicist__ <psychicist__!~psychicis@ip127-8-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[03:03:53] *** MrFlibble <MrFlibble!MrFlibble@2.124.189.239> has quit IRC (Disconnected by services)[03:03:55] *** MrFlibble2 <MrFlibble2!MrFlibble@90.199.53.101> has joined ##vulkan[03:08:03] *** Casandir <Casandir!~Casandir@unaffiliated/casandir> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[03:14:24] *** jkilpatr <jkilpatr!~jkilpatr@2602:30a:c7da:b600:845f:2921:2881:c7ba> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[03:19:33] *** Casandir <Casandir!~Casandir@unaffiliated/casandir> has joined ##vulkan[03:24:26] *** Casandir <Casandir!~Casandir@unaffiliated/casandir> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[03:26:45] *** Casandir <Casandir!~Casandir@unaffiliated/casandir> has joined ##vulkan[03:34:10] *** Casandir <Casandir!~Casandir@unaffiliated/casandir> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[03:42:59] <Thunderbird_> Ralith, it is not different from other rendering. for implementations it can pose some challenges. Child windows are not always real windows[03:43:43] <Ralith> for all X such that X is not different from what vulkan already does, vulkan does X :P[03:46:11] <Thunderbird_> I'm writing essentially a vulkan ICD for Wine, we only have an X11 window for the top window. For OpenGL we had to special hacks (e.g. render to pixmap and copy back). For Vulkan we would need something awful like that too if child window rendering is possible[03:46:21] *** Casandir <Casandir!~Casandir@209.99.212.244> has joined ##vulkan[03:46:21] *** Casandir <Casandir!~Casandir@209.99.212.244> has quit IRC (Changing host)[03:46:21] *** Casandir <Casandir!~Casandir@unaffiliated/casandir> has joined ##vulkan[03:47:01] <Ralith> what is "child window rendering"[03:48:12] <Thunderbird_> let's say I create a top level window and create another window which is a child of that window. Could e.g. be for MDI rendering[03:48:42] <Ralith> what is a child window[03:48:43] <Thunderbird_> many applications are composed on multiple windows. Ranging from toolbar windows, to windows used for views (e.g. in a 3d modeling application)[03:49:12] <Ralith> it seems like you're confusing the notion of a window with various GUI widgets[03:49:34] <Ralith> how you render your GUI is up to you[03:49:54] <Thunderbird_> many gui elements are windows, which is the problem[03:50:17] <Ralith> vulkan lets you render to windows[03:50:22] <Ralith> what's the problem[03:50:53] <Thunderbird_> basically it is about whether MDI kind of rendering is expected to work fine through vulkan, when you render to a subwindow[03:51:08] <Ralith> vulkan has no notion of MDI or "subwindows"[03:51:12] <Ralith> if it's a window, you can render to it[03:51:17] <Ralith> if it's not a window, it's not vulkan's business[03:52:55] <Ralith> I'm not sure why this might present a problem[03:53:03] *** Casandir <Casandir!~Casandir@unaffiliated/casandir> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[03:53:40] <Ralith> if you want to render fake windows inside your window, which is what MDI usually means, that is entirely up to you[03:54:05] <Ralith> just as it would be if you wanted to render teapots[03:54:31] <Thunderbird_> well in my case I'm dealing with Win32 emulation on X11 (Wine). In win32 pretty much everything is an HWND, but on Wine only top level windows there is an XWindow for an HWND. In other words if subwindow rendering works fine, I need some way to emulate a 'buffer' window[03:55:58] <Ralith> it sounds like what you really want to know is the exact semantics of the win32 wsi[03:56:21] <Thunderbird_> maybe[03:56:37] <Ralith> none of the concepts you're talking about seem to make any sense in the context of vulkan at large[03:57:18] <Ralith> if windows has an oddly abstract notion of "window" and the docs aren't clear about what exactly the win32 wsi makes of that, you're probably going to have to test it and see[03:57:38] <Ralith> (and hopefully try to get the docs fixed upstream)[03:58:11] <Thunderbird_> since vulkan is not a native citizen of win32 (or really any of the other APIs), the question is how did driver vendors deal with the integration[03:58:32] <Thunderbird_> for opengl we had to do a lot of magic in our 'driver'[04:05:33] *** Casandir <Casandir!~Casandir@unaffiliated/casandir> has joined ##vulkan[04:11:16] *** slidercrank <slidercrank!~slidercra@ircpuzzles/2015/april-fools/fifth/slidercrank> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[04:11:55] *** Casandir <Casandir!~Casandir@unaffiliated/casandir> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[04:12:43] *** MrFlibble2 <MrFlibble2!MrFlibble@90.199.53.101> has quit IRC (Quit: MrFlibble2)[04:22:12] *** spara__ <spara__!~spara@ARennes-258-1-199-175.w2-11.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[04:25:24] *** Casandir <Casandir!~Casandir@unaffiliated/casandir> has joined ##vulkan[04:31:41] *** tarceri <tarceri!~tarceri@CPE-137-147-145-51.lnse7.win.bigpond.net.au> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[04:34:17] *** GMpow3srV <GMpow3srV!~goedelmac@55d47dbb.access.ecotel.net> has joined ##vulkan[04:38:13] *** GMpow2srv <GMpow2srv!~goedelmac@55d47b5b.access.ecotel.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[04:40:28] *** WaywardDev <WaywardDev!~marius@cm-84.213.213.75.getinternet.no> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[04:41:09] *** Casandir <Casandir!~Casandir@unaffiliated/casandir> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[04:44:45] *** toor_ <toor_!~toor@eth-east-parth2-46-193-65-52.wb.wifirst.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[04:44:51] *** toor_ <toor_!~toor@eth-east-parth2-46-193-65-52.wb.wifirst.net> has joined ##vulkan[04:51:47] *** Casandir <Casandir!~Casandir@unaffiliated/casandir> has joined ##vulkan[04:59:48] *** Casandir <Casandir!~Casandir@unaffiliated/casandir> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[05:12:52] *** Casandir <Casandir!~Casandir@unaffiliated/casandir> has joined ##vulkan[05:19:48] *** rlarionov <rlarionov!~rlarionov@68-202-221-190.res.bhn.net> has joined ##vulkan[05:28:37] *** Casandir <Casandir!~Casandir@unaffiliated/casandir> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[05:36:51] *** ravior <ravior!~crapitea@79.116.102.182> has joined ##vulkan[05:39:51] *** Casandir <Casandir!~Casandir@unaffiliated/casandir> has joined ##vulkan[05:51:07] *** Casandir <Casandir!~Casandir@unaffiliated/casandir> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[05:54:05] *** BearishMushroom <BearishMushroom!~BearishMu@90-231-174-194-no159.tbcn.telia.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[06:02:36] *** Casandir <Casandir!~Casandir@unaffiliated/casandir> has joined ##vulkan[06:10:12] *** Casandir <Casandir!~Casandir@unaffiliated/casandir> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[06:11:52] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host81-153-35-152.range81-153.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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contains[11:00:31] <fazias> wasted about 4 hours figuring out why it seems like my own compiled shaderc_combined library seems to be compiled with wrong compiler that I don't even have installed[11:00:54] <fazias> though I could have found faster if I didn't suspect cmake being shit and other things like caching[11:01:26] <fazias> The vulkansdk contains one version of that library which is unusable for me since I'm using vs2017 :)[11:09:26] *** Kalua <Kalua!~KaIIua@2a02:908:fd50:4fc0:6b59:815a:b61b:3862> has joined ##vulkan[11:09:30] *** derhass <derhass!~derhass@dslb-094-222-146-110.094.222.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[11:09:39] *** derhass <derhass!~derhass@ipservice-092-216-127-013.092.216.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined ##vulkan[11:13:11] *** psychicist__ <psychicist__!~psychicis@ip127-8-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl> has joined ##vulkan[11:13:22] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7lvqlgp3rb5sjr.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> 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What I don't understand is why?[18:56:55] *** Biolunar <Biolunar!Biolunar@dslb-188-109-222-045.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[19:04:54] *** herbmillerjr <herbmillerjr!~herb@c-76-120-173-141.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:08:33] <ratchetfreak> memory is bound but normally it should be transfered to transfer dst ready for the copy from staging[19:08:51] <ratchetfreak> and then transitioned to shader read[19:10:39] *** manenko <manenko!~manenko@213.111.90.131> has quit IRC (Quit: manenko)[19:10:42] <ratchetfreak> or when writing into the memory directly it should be transitioned from preinit[19:10:56] *** cheako <cheako!~cheako@c-24-245-9-115.hsd1.mn.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:12:50] *** Casandir <Casandir!~Casandir@unaffiliated/casandir> has left ##vulkan ("Leaving")[19:22:14] *** nsf <nsf!~nsf@jiss.convex.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.7.1)[19:24:44] *** cheako <cheako!~cheako@c-24-245-9-115.hsd1.mn.comcast.net> has joined ##vulkan[19:34:26] *** jo90 <jo90!~John90@117.249.243.41> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.8)[19:35:20] *** cheako <cheako!~cheako@c-24-245-9-115.hsd1.mn.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: cheako)[19:42:13] *** cheako <cheako!~cheako@c-24-245-9-115.hsd1.mn.comcast.net> has joined ##vulkan[19:45:25] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7lvqlgp3rb5sjr.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[19:48:46] <fazias> Seems like that engine has some assumptions on the state about those textures after they are created[19:49:01] <fazias> I wouldn't look so much into it.[19:50:44] *** herbmillerjr <herbmillerjr!~herb@c-76-120-173-141.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> has joined ##vulkan[19:54:19] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7lvqlgp3rb5sjr.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has joined ##vulkan[19:59:31] *** jkilpatr <jkilpatr!~jkilpatr@2602:30a:c7da:b600:1202:b5ff:fe3b:d41d> has joined ##vulkan[20:17:39] *** Nilesh___ <Nilesh___!uid116340@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lokqhjeldgbtqmvw> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[20:21:59] *** ZexaronS <ZexaronS!~zexpc@cpe-194-152-22-45.static.triera.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:42:21] *** nsf <nsf!~nsf@jiss.convex.ru> has joined ##vulkan[20:53:59] *** M6HZ <M6HZ!~M6HZ@mar75-4-82-230-46-11.fbx.proxad.net> has joined ##vulkan[21:06:57] *** cheako <cheako!~cheako@c-24-245-9-115.hsd1.mn.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:21:10] *** tambre <tambre!~tambre@833f-416a-51af-d11f-0e80-8a31-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[21:32:07] *** vitimiti <vitimiti!~Celtor@unaffiliated/vitimiti> has joined ##vulkan[21:33:47] *** WaywardDev <WaywardDev!~marius@cm-84.213.213.75.getinternet.no> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:59:17] *** xissburg <xissburg!~xissburg@unaffiliated/xissburg> has quit IRC (Quit: ZZZzzz…)[22:19:17] *** jsgrant <jsgrant!~jsgrant@71-11-142-172.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com> has joined ##vulkan[22:24:17] *** ShadowIce <ShadowIce!~pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:27:29] *** slidercrank <slidercrank!~slidercra@ircpuzzles/2015/april-fools/fifth/slidercrank> has quit IRC (Quit: siht gnidaer er'uoy fi emit eerf hcum oot evah uoy :tiuQ)[22:50:13] *** ravior <ravior!~crapitea@79.116.102.182> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[22:56:46] *** Pseudocrat <Pseudocrat!~quassel@cpe-76-183-103-244.tx.res.rr.com> has joined ##vulkan[22:56:46] *** Pseudocrat <Pseudocrat!~quassel@cpe-76-183-103-244.tx.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Changing host)[22:56:46] *** Pseudocrat <Pseudocrat!~quassel@unaffiliated/pseudocrat> has joined ##vulkan[23:02:42] *** ryp <ryp!~ryp@88.190.202.176> has joined ##vulkan[23:03:06] *** xissburg <xissburg!~xissburg@unaffiliated/xissburg> has joined ##vulkan[23:33:04] *** Thunderbird_ <Thunderbird_!~roderick@cpe-172-89-118-22.socal.res.rr.com> has joined ##vulkan[23:34:54] *** Thunderbird_ <Thunderbird_!~roderick@cpe-172-89-118-22.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:36:50] *** David3k <David3k!~David3k@120.29.112.49> has joined ##vulkan[23:44:38] *** opencw <opencw!~opencw@2a02:908:b42:d120:325a:3aff:fe7c:ee1b> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[23:50:02] *** goiko <goiko!~goiko@unaffiliated/goiko> has quit IRC (Quit: ﴾͡๏̯͡๏﴿ O'RLY?)[23:56:10] *** TechnoCrunch <TechnoCrunch!~TechnoCru@101.100.137.146> has joined ##vulkan