June 15, 2017 
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3.3 sounds kinda old[22:27:05] <Yaniel> 3.3 is pretty new[22:27:36] <Yaniel> it's basically the lowest gl version worth using for new projects[22:28:18] <Yaniel> oh, 3.3 was released together with 4.0[22:29:09] <Yaniel> anyway 3.3 has most of the ergonomical features of 4.x but lacks compute and tessellation shaders[22:29:13] <Yaniel> so for most uses it's fine[22:29:17] <WaywardDev> any reason they don't cut it off at 4.0 when teaching?[22:29:37] <Yaniel> there is a notable gap in hardware support between 3.x and 4.x[22:30:07] <Yaniel> 3.0 to 3.3 is mostly just a matter of drivers[22:30:19] <Yaniel> 3.3 to 4.0 requires different hardware[22:31:40] <Yaniel> oh right, 3.2 introduced geometry shaders[22:31:51] <Yaniel> so 3.2->3.3 is purely a driver upgrade[22:32:24] <Yaniel> 3.1->3.2 requires hardware support (or slow emulation for geometry shaders)[22:33:09] <Yaniel> but then again hw vendors haven't bothered much with anything beyond 2.1 if they can't do geometry shaders so 3.0 and 3.1 are largely irrelevant these days[22:35:10] *** laalaa <laalaa!d5f39e58@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.213.243.158.88> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[22:36:37] *** clintar_ <clintar_!~clintar@68.69.164.130> has joined ##vulkan[22:36:43] *** clintar_ <clintar_!~clintar@68.69.164.130> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:47:43] *** goiko <goiko!~goiko@unaffiliated/goiko> has quit IRC (Quit: cya 😎)[22:59:00] *** jkilpatr <jkilpatr!~jkilpatr@2602:30a:c7da:b600:1202:b5ff:fe3b:d41d> has joined ##vulkan[23:08:30] *** fkaa <fkaa!~tundmatu@2001:2002:51ec:b2f3:70d6:abdf:16c:a134> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[23:09:37] *** Biolunar <Biolunar!Biolunar@dslb-092-073-140-159.092.073.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined ##vulkan[23:10:22] *** fkaa <fkaa!~tundmatu@2001:2002:51ec:b2f3:708c:294b:4123:de25> has joined ##vulkan[23:14:13] *** psychicist__ <psychicist__!~psychicis@ip127-8-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[23:23:01] *** slime <slime!~slime73@blk-215-81-93.eastlink.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[23:26:16] *** navidr <navidr!uid112413@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ofbrmnugsvixzdzl> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[23:29:53] *** metalhead33 <metalhead33!~metalhead@BC24CF54.dsl.pool.telekom.hu> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[23:29:56] *** slime <slime!~slime73@blk-215-81-93.eastlink.ca> has joined ##vulkan[23:35:42] *** WaywardDev <WaywardDev!~marius@cm-84.213.213.75.getinternet.no> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:43:36] *** BearishMushroom <BearishMushroom!~BearishMu@90-231-174-194-no159.tbcn.telia.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:44:06] *** nsf <nsf!~nsf@jiss.convex.ru> has joined ##vulkan[23:45:19] *** ImQ009 <ImQ009!~ImQ009@unaffiliated/imq009> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:50:22] *** spara_ <spara_!~spara@37.169.31.166> has joined ##vulkan[23:53:30] *** spara <spara!~spara@37.169.248.207> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)